Gwallter ap Rosser (abt. 1320)

Born about 1320 in England

Ancestors

Descendants

Died [date unknown] in Bredwardine Manor, Hay, Herefordshire, England [uncertain]

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Biography

Walter Sais ap Roger Vychan of Llechry^[1]

Gwallter Sais (Walter "the Englishman"^[2]) was the son of Rhosser fychan ap Rhosser Fawr (Roger the younger, son of Roger the Great).^[3]

Walter married Florence, daughter and co-heiress of Sir Walter Bredwardine, Knight.^[4]

"Walter Seys...won renown and wealth in the wars of Edward III. In the pedigree books, he is said to have m. the heiress of Sir Walter Bredwardine, and to have taken up residence at Bredwardine, followed by his son, Rhosier 'Hen,' who m. a daughter of Sir Walter Devereux, and his grandson, Roger Vaughan, who m. Gwladys, daughter of Dafydd Gam (q.v.), and fell with his father-in-law in the personal defence of Henry V on the field of Agincourt, 1415."^[5]

"VAUGHAN family of Bredwardine, Herefordshire. This was the main branch of the Vaughans who traced their descent, through WALTER SEYS, to MOREIDDIG WARWYN (to whom the origin of the family's coat of arms, three boys’ heads with a snake entwined about their necks, was ascribed), and thence to DRYMBENOG AP, lord of Brycheiniog.^[5]

"The family had accumulated property at Llechryd in Elvael and Cwm Du before Walter Seys had won renown and wealth in the wars of Edward III."^[5]

In a January 1371 record in the Devereux Papers, a daughter of Walter Seys, Margaret, appears in an annulment:

"Notification by the Commissary General in the Archdeaconry of Brecknock of the annulment of the marriage of Walter, son of Sir Walter Devereux (Deveros), and Margaret, daughter of Walter Seys."^[6]

Children

by Florence

• Roger Hen of Bredwardine (d 1415) m Ann, da. of Sir Walter Devereaux^[3]
  • Sir Roger Vaughan (d 1415) m Gwladus f. Sir Dafydd Gam (d 1415)^[3]
  • Gwladus f. Roger Hen, m Jenkin ap Hywel ap Gwilwm^[7]
• Angharad m Philip Walbyf^[3]

by Mallt f. Ieuan ap Rhys^[3]

• Roger Fychan^[3]

Research Notes

Estimated Date: Birth year guess of "about 1320" is based on daughter Alice's birth about 1340. Seys-8 (merged profile) also had birth year as "about 1320".

Disputed Mother

While sources agree that his father was Roger Fychan, they do not agree on his mother, who was either Joyce Walbyf^[3] or Joan Baskerville.

Bartrum (Drymbenog 2) shows Walter's mother as Joyce, daughter of John Walbyf, and his grandmother (wife of Roger Fawr) as Jane, daughter of Ralph Baskerville. Jones (p 505) shows Roger Fawr as husband of Joice, daughter of William Walbieffe, and the wife of Roger Fawr's son "Rhosser Fychan" as "a d. of Sir Ralph Baskerville by a d. of Sir Miles Pitcher." Norr shows Walter Sais as the son of Jane Baskerville (#Norr).

Sources

1. ↑ Visitations of Wales, page 196
2. ↑ "Sais, i.e., Englishman, was often given to those who had passed most of their time in England" (p 47, footnote 3 #Dwnn); "Gwalter Sais (English-speaking)" (Prichard Ancestry); "Sais" translates to "Englishman" (in Google translate)
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6} Source: #Bartrum
4. ↑ Source: Visitations of Wales (page 196)
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1 5.2} "The Vaughan Family of Bredwardine, Herefordshire," by Evan David Jones, F.S.A., (1903-87), Aberystwyth, for the Dictionary of Welsh Biography, The National Library of Wales
6. ↑ Devereux Papers, Reference: DE/BOX 1/2, January 1371, Longleat House Collection. Abstract at National Archives of Great Britain Discovery, [accessed 1 January 2022]
7. ↑ Godwin 3 (#Bartrum)

• The Bartrum Project, digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum (mirrored from the defunct Cadair site by Geni: Bartrum Genealogical Project - free login required to access the charts). See additional information about Cadair in G2G.
  • Drymbenog 2, Roger Fawr ap Ieuan (Gwallter's grandfather)
  • Bredwarden, Florence of Bredwardine
  • Walbyf 1, John Walbyf (father of Joyce, mother of Walter)
  • Llywarch ap Bran 9, ancestry of Mallt, m Hywel ap Gwilwm
  • Godwin 3, Hywell m Mallt (father of Jenkin by Gwenllian f. Hywel)
• Lewis Dwnn, Heraldic Visitations Of Wales And Part Of The Marches Between The Years 1586 And 1613 Vol.1
  • page 196, footnote 11: "Walter Sais ap Roger Vychan of Llechry, and...Florence, daughter and co-heiress of Sir Walter Bredwardine, Knight"
  • page 190: Gwalter Seis, Esg., m "Florens [daughter of] a choeyr* Syr Pyrs Brodorddyn kt., father of Rosser hen [married] Jan v Syr Water Defrax". Also, a generation appears to be missing: this p 190 pedigree skips father Rhosser Vychan m Joyce Walbyf and goes right to grandfather Rhosser Fawr m Jan f. Basgrvil
    
    I don't know what "choeyr" means. Sister is chwaer - maybe choeyr is niece? (#Bartrum shows Florence as grand-niece of Sir Pirs.)
  • p 218: Gwalter Sais Esg.
  • p 255
• Vaughan Family of Wales
• Theophilus Jones, A History of the County of Brecknock (see pp 500-5)
• Vernon M. Norr, Some Early English Pedigrees (see World Cat for libraries with a copy; also, Richardson responded to a question about this book in Rootsweb)
  • p 115 has Walter Sais (1311) son of Roger the Younger (1285) and Jane Baskerville (1289)
• Wikipedia: Roger Vaughan of Bredwardine
• Lewis Dwnn, Heraldic Visitations Of Wales And Part Of The Marches Between The Years 1586 And 1613 Vol.1
• Vaughan Family of Wales
• Jones, Theophilus; A History of the County of Brecknock: : in two volumes : containing the chorography, general history, religion, laws, customs, manners, language and system of agriculture used in that county. pp. 500-5; Publisher: Brecknock. Printed and sold by Wm. & Geo. North ... for the author ; and sold by J. Booth ... London., 1805-1809
• Roger Vaughan of Bredwardine Wikipedia article.

Acknowledgements

• The WikiTree profile Sais-6 was created by Liz Shifflett, Walter's 17x-gr-granddaughter.
• The WikiTree profile Seys-8 was created by Rev. Daniel Washburn Jones
• WikiTree profile Vaughn-680 created through the import of Ryanraymondextended with bosto (2).ged on Dec 22, 2011 by Kevin Ryan. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Kevin and others.