Peter (Saltzmann) Salzmann
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Johann Peter (Saltzmann) Salzmann (abt. 1855 - abt. 1935)

Johann Peter (Peter) Salzmann formerly Saltzmann
Born about in Grimm, Saratov, Russiamap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married before 1877 in Grimm, Saratov, Russiamap
Descendants descendants
Died about in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, United Statesmap
Profile last modified | Created 3 Aug 2016
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Contents

Biography

Volga German
Peter (Saltzmann) Salzmann is a Volga German.
Peter (Saltzmann) Salzmann has German Roots .
Family #163 in the 1857 Grimm census.
Family #659 in the 1897 Grimm census.

Birth Date and Place

  • 1855
  • Grimm, Saratov, Russia

Parents

Marriage

  • Elisabeth Fritzler
  • by 1877
  • Grimm, Saratov, Russia

Children

  • Katharina Elisabeth Saltzmann, born 1878
  • Elisabeth Saltzmann, born 1879
  • Jakob Saltzmann, born 1885
  • Charlotta Saltzmann, born 1887
  • Margaretha Saltzmann, born 1889
  • Friedrich Saltzmann, born 1894
  • Maria Saltzmann, born 1896

Death Date and Place




Please do not change parents, wives, birth dates, or children before reviewing the Research Notes below.


1857 Grimm Census [1]

Because of the long length of this census entry, I have pared down the census entry shown here to include only the head of the household and wife, Peter Saltzmann's grandparents, and his immediate family.

Family # 163
Head of the Household Johann Peter Saltzmann, age 52
Wife Charlotta Saltzmann, age 52
...
Child #3 Christian Jakob Saltzmann, age 27
Wife of Child #3 Christina Margaretha [Ramig] Saltzmann, age 24
Grandchild #1 Eva Katharina Saltzmann, age 4
Grandchild #2 Johann Peter Saltzmann, age 1 year 6 months


1897 Grimm Census [2]

Family # 659
Head of the Household Christian Jakob Saltzmann, age 66
Wife Christina Margaretha Saltzmann, age 63
Child #1 Peter Saltzmann, age 41,
Wife of Child #1 Elisabetha [Fritzler] Saltzmann, age 40
Grandchild #1 Katharina Elisabeth Saltzmann, age 19, single, resides in Saratov
Grandchild #2 Elisabeth Saltzmann, age 18, single resides in Saratov
Grandchild #3 Jakob Saltzmann, age 12
Grandchild #4 Charlotta Saltzmann, age 10
Grandchild #5 Margaretha Saltzmann, age 8
Grandchild #6 Friedrich Saltzmann, age 3
Grandchild #7 Maria Saltzmann, age 1
Child #2 Jakob Saltzmann, age 38
Wife of Child #2 Margaretha Saltzmann, age 37
Grandchild #8 Emilia Saltzmann, age 12
Grandchild #9 Christian Jakob Saltzmann, age 10
Grandchild #10 Margaretha Saltzmann, age 8
Grandchild #11 Friedrich Saltzmann, age 1, twin
Grandchild #12 Maria Saltzmann, age 1, twin
Child #3 Heinrich Saltzmann, age 25, single, in military service
Child #4 Maria Saltzmann, age 21, single, resides in the city of Saratov


Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists [3]

Name Peter Saltzmann
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1912
Event Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender Male
Age 54
Birth Year (Estimated) 1858
Birthplace Russia
Ship Name Haverford


1930 United States Federal Census [4]

Name: Peter Salzmann
Birth Year: abt 1856
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Russia
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Father
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Armitage Avenue
Ward of City: 38
Block: 507
House Number: 2814
Dwelling Number: 37
Family Number: 83
Lives on Farm: No
Age at First Marriage: 20
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Russia
Mother's Birthplace: Russia
Language Spoken: German
Immigration Year: 1912
Naturalization: Alien
Able to Speak English: No
Household Members: Name Age
Fred Salzmann 36
Marie Salzmann 34
Elenore E Salzmann 11
Rowland A Salzmann 7
Clifford F Salzmann 1
Peter Salzmann 74
Lizzie Salzmann 74


Research Notes

Co-Mingling of Information

There are some pedigree charts in Ancestry who confused the Johann Peter Saltzmann of this record with Georg Peter Saltzmann.

The sources used to create this profile for Johann Peter Saltzmann were consulted in this order:

  1. 1930 United States Federal Census
  2. 1912 Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger List
  3. 1897 Grimm census
  4. 1857 Grimm census

The results were:

  • 1930 United States Federal census lists his age as 74, giving him a birth year of about 1856.
  • 1912 Passenger List gives his age as 54, giving him a birth year of about 1858.
  • 1897 Grimm census lists his age as 41, giving him a birth year of about 1856
  • 1857 Grimm census lists his age as 1 year 6 months, giving him a birth year of about 1855.

These estimated birth years are all close enough to consider them a match for Peter Saltzmann of this profile.

He is easily found in the 1857 Grimm census, named Johann Peter Saltzmann, son of Christian Jakob Saltzmann and Christina Margaretha [Ramig] Saltzmann.

The only other Peter Saltzmann in the 1857 census is listed as simply Peter Saltzmann, son of Johann Jakob Saltzmann, age 9 years. This gives him a birth year of 1848. He is nearly 10 years older than the Peter Saltzmann of the 1912 passenger list and 1930 census. Because of the significant age discrepancy, this second Peter Saltzmann cannot be a match with the Peter Saltzmann of this profile.

The 1897 Grimm census adds another Georg Peter Saltzmann to the mix, this one born in 1867 in family #601. He was 30 years old in 1897 with a wife named Katharina Elisabeth and four children: Margaretha, Christian Jakob, Maria, and Karl. These match the names of his oldest children in the 1910 United States census. He was 43 years old in 1910, making him a match with the Georg P. Saltzmann in the 1897 Grimm census who was born in 1867.

This Georg P. Saltzmann and the Peter Saltzmann of this record both immigrated to the United States in the early 1900s.

The Peter Saltzmann of this record had a son named Friedrich Salzmann who immigrated with his family to the United States in 1912. This son is named in the 1897 census and was three years old that year. He would have been 12 years old in 1906, 16 years old in 1910, and 18 years old in 1912. In numerous pedigree files, this son Friedrich Salzmann is attached to Georg P. Saltzmann as a child. This is an error.

  • There is no son named Friedrich Salzmann in the 1906 immigration record. There is no 12-year-old child with any name listed with Georg P. Saltzmann and his family on the passenger list. At the age of 12, it's highly unlikely he did not accompany his family on the journey, although technically, anything is possible.
  • There is no 18-year-old son named Friedrich Salzmann in the entry for Georg P. Saltzmann in the 1910 United States census.
  • All the named children in the immigration record appear in the 1910 census, plus 4 more, 5 years of age or younger. None of them is named Friedrich.
  • There is a Friedrich Salzmann who immigrated to the United States with Peter Saltzmann of this profile and other family members in 1912. He was 18 years old. That is a match with a birth year of 1894, his calculated birth year in the 1897 census.

Mentioning Friedrich Salzmann in his father's profile is important because in his death record, his parents are identified as Peter Saltzmann and Elisabeth Fritzler. It is most likely that the only reason people were able to identify his mother's last name at birth is from this death record. So Elisabeth Fritzler should be connected to Peter Saltzmann as his wife. Instead, she is connected to Georg P. Saltzmann. That confusion is probably what triggered someone adding Friedrich as a child to Georg P. Saltzmann, and thus a significant error was born.

To recap:

  • Georg P. Saltzmann (page 208, family #601, line 14) born in 1865 has no son named Friedrich born in 1893 or 1894. Any son named Friedrich would have been born after 1897.
  • Georg P. Saltzmann (page 207, family #482, line 3) born in 1848 has a son named Friedrich (line 10) who was born in 1884. He is too old to be a match.
  • Peter Saltzmann (page 208, Family #659, line 3) born in 1855 has a son named Friedrich (line 10) born in 1894. A match.

Since Peter Saltzmann and his wife are both listed in the 1930 United States census, living in their son Friedrich's household, and he's not listed in the 1940 census, he probably died some time before 1940.

It's very important that this profile be as correct as possible. Please do not change parents, wives, birth dates, or children before reviewing these Research Notes. Feel free to contact the profile manager for more information.


Sources

  1. 1857 Census of Grimm in the District of Saratov, Russia, dated 5 November 1857; Translated by Brent Mai, Concordia University, Portland, Oregon; Published by Dynasty Publishing, Beaverton, OR, USA; Published 2005; page 61, family #163.
  2. 1897 Grimm (Lesnoi Karamysh), Russia Census List, Translated by Richard Rye, Compiled and Edited by John Groh, Contributor Henry Schmick; American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska, USA; Published 2017; page 209, family #659.
  3. "Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1883-1945," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:23QY-G5N : 12 March 2018), Peter Saltzmann, 1912; citing Immigration, NARA microfilm publication T840 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 1,402,601.
  4. 1930 United States Federal Census,Year: 1930; Census Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 2745; FHL microfilm: 2340207. See: https://ancstry.me/2OunWK0.

See also:

  • 1897 Grimm (Lesnoi Karamysh), Russia Census List, Translated by Richard Rye, Compiled and Edited by John Groh, Contributor Henry Schmick; American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska, USA; Published 2017; page 207, family #482, line 3, George Peter Salzmann, age 49; page 208, family #601, line 14, George Peter Saltzmann, age 30; and page 208, family # 659, line 3, Peter Saltzmann, age 41.
  • "Maryland, Baltimore Passenger Lists, 1820-1948," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2CSW-BQ2 : 15 March 2018), Georg Salzmann, 1906; citing Immigration, Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland, United States, NARA microfilm publications M255, M596, and T844 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL film 833,024.
  • 1910 United States Federal Census, Year: 1910; Census Place: Chicago Ward 14, Cook, Illinois; Roll: T624_256; Page: 18B; Enumeration District: 0687; FHL microfilm: 1374269. See: https://ancstry.me/2pe8lD8.
  • "Illinois, Cook County Deaths, 1878-1994," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q23W-ZHY5 : 18 March 2018), Fred Salzmann, 26 Jul 1980; citing Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States, source reference , record number , Cook County Courthouse, Chicago; FHL microfilm .
  • 1940 United States Federal Census, Year: 1940; Census Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois; Roll: m-t0627-00974; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 103-.681. See: https://ancstry.me/2NNKqIV.


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