Green Saunders

Green Saunders (1767 - abt. 1845)

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Green Saunders
Born in Province of New Hampshiremap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
Husband of — married (to after ) in Haverhill, Grafton, New Hampshire, United Statesmap
Descendants descendants
Died about in Lawrenceville, St. Lawrence, New York, United Statesmap [uncertain]
Profile last modified | Created 9 Oct 2015
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Categories: New York, War of 1812.

Green Saunders served for New York in the War of 1812
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Last update 16 Jun 2018

Biography

In Dec 2015, an edition of a New Testament from 1813 was located in books left by family. The edition is in terrible condition, has been damaged by water at some point, and is quite fragile. Many, but not all, of its handwritten entries are quite illegible between flooding and age but, as luck would have it, someone took the trouble to write what appears to be a few of the semi-legible entries on a piece of foolscap and tuck them into the book. Such is the case for Green Saunders. According to the papers within, he was born on 11 Feb 1767, and his wife Sarah Chamberlain (1765-aft Aug 1820), was born on 19 Jun 1765. Their children are also listed on the paper as follows:

  1. Jacob B, born October 18, 1792
  2. William, born December 29, 1793
  3. Mahalah, born May 13, 1795
  4. Jonathan, born November 6, 1796
  5. Josiah F, born December 16, 1798
  6. Thurma, born October 4, 1800
  7. Blanchard born August 26, 1802
  8. James, born October 11, 1804

This has been considered reliable evidence that Green and Sarah were the parents of these eight children, and as such, the names and dates the old edition provides have been used in WikiTree.

The edition is signed on the back cover by three people, Green S, Jacob B, and Abbigail [sic] Martin off [sic] Briarford or Bradford (?). A Briarford in the US was not located but there is a Bradford, Orange, Vermont, United States, that was known as such by 1788, so Abbigail has been considered as the mystery Abagail in the 1850 New York Census (included until now as Abigail Unknown) who married Jacob B, and who, according to the census, was born around 1793 in Vermont.

The back cover-page has a handwritten title: Deaths of J B Saunders Family, with the following people listed beneath:

  • Green Sanders Died 3 August 1821: This could be in reference to a Green Chamberlain Sanders, who appears on the front leaf, born in Dickinson, whose birth date is May 12 but the year is illegible. It comes in the same handwriting after an entry for Hannah Sanders, born in Dickinson, November 24 (?), 1816 who is probably Jacob B's daughter Hannah. Possibly, this Green is his son, born after Hannah (?), and less likely, his father, who was born in Feb, not May, and who apparently died in 1845.
  • Abigail Martin Died Aug 16th 1850 Aged 59 years and one month. The entry has been used for Jacob B Saunders' wife; the age given means she would have been born in 1791, which is close to the birth year of the Abigail Martin mentioned above.

A scan of the New Testament has been included in Wikitree Free Pages: 1813 New Testament Jacob B Saunders (1792-1860) & Family.

Note that the surname "Saunders" often appears as "Sanders" and in the information located for many members of the family, both surnames are found. Present-day family members go by the name Saunders and this is the LNAB that has been used in WikiTree for the family.

Green Saunders was born on 11 February 1767, [1] probably in the Province of New Hampshire, and he died around 16 March 1845. He is buried in Hill Crest Cemetery Lawrenceville, St. Lawrence, New York, United States, presumably where he died. [2]

Green's parentage has not been documented. His profile was created initially in WikiTree as the son of Johathan Saunders and Sarah Rowell. Birth records were located for nine children, all except for Green, whose existence is confirmed by a family Bible, but whose parents are not. Ancestry.com public member trees place him alternatively with (1) Jonathan Saunders (abt 1711-abt 1775) and Sarah Rowell (abt 1723-aft Sept 1761), (2) their son Jonathan Saunders (1747-1828) and Abigail Bachelder (1747-1837), (3) as Jonathan's (1711-1775) brother, with Avery Saunders (1683- ) and Abigail Green (1682- ) as their parents, and (4) as the son of Avery Sanders (1683-1721) and Abigail Salisbury (1678-1768). The last two suppositions are inviable because of the dates (all give Green's birth date as 1767, without exception), but in any event, not one of the suppositions has been sourced.

Examining these four options:

1- Jonathan Saunders (1711-1775) and Sarah Rowell (1723-aft 1767)

Pros The time frame is possible as Sarah would have been 44 at the time of Green's birth. As well, George Rich says that Jonathan and Sarah moved from Chester, New Hampshire to Haverhill, New Hampshire, "two years after the birth of the youngest child" (Avery, 1761). So, while Green is not mentioned in the list of nine children Rich offers, his birth in 1767 in not in conflict with the account, making his existence as their son feasible. [3] If the supposition is correct, he would have been born in Haverhill, New Hampshire.

Cons Although there is nothing against the theory, there is no documentation that confirms it.

2 - Jonathan (1747-1828) and Abigail Bachelder (1747-1837)

Pros The couple appears as Green's parents in Ancestry.com considerably more than Jonathan and Sarah above.

Cons The idea was rejected initially because Green was born 5 years before their marriage in 1772. [4] As well, names/genders were not discovered for the two children they supposedly had before the war [5] and as above, there is no documentation that confirms it. Re-evaluating the situation, Jonathan could have been Green's father, although it is unlikely Abigail Bachelder was his mother. If this supposition is correct, Jonathan likely was married, or at least had a relation, with someone else around 1766 (he would have been around 19-20). Evidence was not found to this effect.

3 - Avery Sanders (1683- ) and Abigail Green (1682- )

Although Abigail's maiden name "Green" would explain her son's first name, the fact that she would have been 85 years old at the time of Green's birth means this connection is impossible.

4 - Avery Sanders (1683-1721) and Abigail Salisbury (1678-1768)

As above, the dates make it unworkable for Abigail to be Green's mother. What is outstanding about this entry however is the fact that Abigail Salisbury was supposedly Isaac Green's daughter with Mary Cass. Documents were located for two Isaac Greens, one who died in 1716 in New Hampshire and who had two sons with "Mary", Jonathan (1681) and Isaac (1695). The latter died in 1729. The surname "Green" certainly hints at a coincidental possibility, but no evidence was linked to Green Saunders. [6]

Summarizing, only the first two alternatives are plausible. It would appear that Jonathan Saunders and Sarah Rowell were either his parents or his grandparents, but evidence has not been located one way or another. At present, Green has been unlinked from Jonathan Saunders and Sarah Rowell because of the complete absence of documentation that connects him to the family that preceded him.

Green served the the War of 1812 in the Artillery and Infantry Regiment (Mill's Regiment) in the New York Volunteers, [7]

Green was married Sarah Chamberlain (1765-aft Aug 1820) on 23 February 1792, in Haverhill, Grafton, New Hampshire. [8] Green died in 1845 but her date has been estimated @ after 07 Aug 1820, i.e. the marriage end date has been estimated accordingly. As stated previously, Green and Sarah had at least eight children (see above). [1]

Several Saunders appear, along with Green, in St. Lawrence County History records. The first account places a Green Saunders in Nicholville, St. Lawrence, New York, in July 1807. He is cited with a Jonathan and a James. The phrase "Jonathan, Green and James settled in July 1807" was initially interpreted to be Green (1767-1845) with his sons Jonathan (1796-1874) and James (1804- ) but the relationship is not indicated in the text and while their grouping suggests a familial relation, just what relation they had is not clear. Obviously, it does not make much sense to mention a 3-year-old James as "settling". The same applies to his son Jonathan, who would have been only 11. [9] A second source mentions Jonathan Saunders with his father Green (or Greenleaf), before the war of 1812, in Moira, Franklin, New York, and goes on to say that Jonathan re-located to Dickinson, Franklin, New York, when he formed his own household. [10] A third source, mentions the same account as the first, but also gives information about Green's son Josiah, who was shop owner (1822), postmaster (1829), and town supervisor (1841-43, 1845) in Lawrence and Lawrenceville, St Lawrence, New York. [11]

Green Saunders appears by name in the following censuses:

Aug 1800 Green Saunders appeared in the 1800 Census on 04 Aug 1800 at Piermont, Grafton, New Hampshire, United States, as "Green Saunders". There was a total of 8 people in the household, 5 males (4<10 yrs, 1=26-44 yrs), and 3 females (2=<10 yrs, 1=26-44 yrs). NB Note that a Jonathan Saunders, is right next to him on the census sheet. [12] [13]

Aug 1810 Green Saunders appeared in the 1810 Census 06 Aug 1810 at Massena, Saint Lawrence, New York, United States, as "Green Saunders". There was a total of 9 persons, 7 males (2<10 yrs, 2=10-15 yrs, 2=16-25 yrs, 1=26-44 yrs) and 2 females (1=10-15 yrs, 1=26-44 yrs).NB There is a Samuel Chamberlin next door to Green who may have been related to his wife, Sarah Chamberlain. [14] [15]

Aug 1820 Green Saunders appeared in the 1820 Census on 07 Aug 1820 at Dickinson, Franklin, New York, United States, as "Green Sanders". There was a total of 8 people, 6 males (10-15 yrs= 1, 16-18 yrs=1, 16-25 yrs=3, > 44 yrs=1) and 2 females (10-15 yrs=1, >44 yrs=1). NB Note that apart from Green, there were 3 other Saunders on the Census sheet, Jacob, William, Jonathan, ostensibly all son's of Green. [16] [17]

Jun 1840 Green Saunders appeared in the 1840 Census on 01 Jun 1840 at Lawrence, St Lawrence, New York, United States, as "Green Sanders". Green is the only person in the household (in the 70-80 yr group). [18] [19]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 _ New Testament 1813: Jacob B Saunders Family
  2. _ FIND A GRAVE: Green Saunders on 16 Mar 1845
  3. _ Genealogy: Ancestors and Descendants of John Sanders, Fort Covington, N.Y. by George Rich, Published 1922
  4. _ MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE: Jonathan Saunders and Abigail Bachelder on 23 Jan 1772
  5. _ Sanders Soldiers in the Revolutionary War
  6. _ Isaac Greens in Relation to Abigail Salisbury in Relation to Green Saunders (no relation)
  7. _ Military Service: Green Saunders in the War of 1812
  8. _ MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE: Green Saunders and Sarah Chamberlain on 23 Feb 1792
  9. _ Nicholville, St. Lawrence, New York, United States (Jonathan, Green and James Saunders)
  10. _ History of Dickinson, Franklin County, New York (Green Saunders and his son Jonathan)
  11. _ History of Lawrence, NY (Green, Jonathan, James, Josiah F Saunders)
  12. _ 1800 Census at Piermont, Grafton, New Hampshire, United States
  13. _ Date of the 1800 Census (04 Aug 1800)
  14. _ 1810 Census at Massena, Saint Lawrence, New York, United States
  15. _ 1810 Census Date (06 Aug 1810)
  16. _ 1820 Census at Dickinson, Franklin, New York, United States
  17. _ 1820 Census Date (07 Aug 1820)
  18. _ 1840 Census at Lawrence, St Lawrence, New York, United States
  19. _ 1840 Census Date (01 Jun 1840)

Find a Grave Entries in this Biography

  1. Green Saunders: Find A Grave: Memorial #153342054


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