Francois Savoie is the Ancestral Patriarch of the Acadian Savoie Family.
Francois was born around 1621. Many people say that Francois was the illegitimate son of Tomaso Francesco, but this has not been proven or disproven. It is most likely the wishful thinking of researchers who want to find a royal connection. Regarding Francois' location of birth, Stephen White remains silent.
However Massignon speculates that he may have come from Loudin France because the name Savoie is among the many Acadian names that are found in the nearby Seigneury d'Aulnay (comprising of the villages of Angliers, Aulnay, Martaizé and La Chausée). However, Francois' birth record has not been found.
Francois probably came to Acadia in the 1640s as he married in Acadia around 1651. His bride was Catherine Lejeune. Between 1652 and 1670, they had 9 children: Françoise, Germain, Marie, Jeanne, Catherine, François, Barnabé, Andreé, and Marie-France.
Although the commander of Port Royal left for France, most Acadians, including the Savoie family, remained in Acadia. They were permitted to retain their land and belongings and were guaranteed religious freedom. Dunn describes life in Acadia during the 16 years of nominal British rule:
By 1671 the British had ceded Acadia to France and French settlement resumed. At that time, the family homestead had 6 arpents under cultivation and they had 4 cattle. It is not clear where the farm was located. By 1707, their son Germain had a farm upriver at the Belisle Marshes, east of the fort on the north bank of the Dauphin (Annapolis River).
Note: An arpent in an old French dictionary I possess from early 1900s is described as between 30 and 51 ares (1 are = 100 square metres), depending on the country.
"Né en France vers 1621, François Savoie est arrivé en Acadie avant 1651, date où il s'est marié à Catherine Lejeune. Neuf enfants sont issus de leur mariage."
Marriage and Children's Birth Years. You will note that there are minor differences in the French and English biography in the year of marriage and birth of the oldest and youngest children. I have listed the dates provided in Stephen White's DGFA in the Timeline below. SW reports that the oldest child is estimated to be born around 1652, and the marriage around 1651. ( I checked the DGFA corrections and there are none for this family). Based on the 1671 Census, the oldest was 18 years old in 1671, making her birth year around 1653 and the marriage around 1652.
There also appears to be a small discrepancy between the French Census records to the right and the English translation found here and listed below. The French census reports that the baby Marie is 1 1/2 years of age and the English translation reports 2 years.
DNA. According to Family Tree DNA's French Heritage DNA project, two descendants have taken a yDNA test with resulting haplogroup being R-M269.
Francois Savoie b abt 1621 Martaize, France married Catherine LeJeune b abt 1635 Port ROyal, Acadia ( my 8th gr grandparents) I only have 1 child list but I am sure there were more daughter Francoise Savoie b abt 1653 married Jehan Corporon b abt 1646 my 8th grandparents. (my notes on Jehan "The Acadians in France, Vol.II, Belle-Isle-en-Mer Registers. p.66; transported to NY with youngest daughter Rosalie. also see The Acadians in France, Vol.II, Belle-Isle-en-Mer Registers. p.65. 1671 Acadian Census Jehan CORPORON, 25, wife Francoise SAVOIE 18; Child: one daughter of 6 weeks;
"Francois SAVOY was born in 1621 at Turin, Piedmont, Savoy, Italy. His father is believed to be Thomas Francis, Prince of Carignano, Duke of Savoy, 1596 - 1656, and his mother Marie de Soissons de Bourbon, 1606 - 1692. By virtue of his birth, Francois was also a Prince. Turin, Piedmont, Savoy, Italy, is the seat, and residence, of the family of the House of Savoy. It is also where the Shroud of Turin, which belongs to the House of Savoy, is safeguarded. The area is loosely regarded as Savoy. Therefore, an ordinary citizen would be known as de Savoy, [of/from the area of Savoy], also members of the Savoy family are known as de Savoy. Thomas Francis was the 2nd, and youngest son born to Charles Emmanuel I, Duke of Savoy from 1580 - 1630. His uncle [his father's brother] Victor Amadeus I, became the Duke of Savoy in 1630 and sired two sons who were both very young when he died in 1637. Francis Hyacinthe I, born in 1632 was only 5 years old when his father died, passing the House of Savoy into his hands. His younger brother Charles Emmanuel II was only four when his father died in 1637. Because both of these sons were so young Francois' father, Thomas Francis, challenged the authority of the mother of the Dukes of Savoy to rule in their places, and a war broke out between the two sides of the family. (page 19) Obviously, due to the upheavals of the family, Francois left Turin and the family behind. It was common when a person left their royal family, that the person was disowned and stricken from all records pertaining to that family, completely banished. This would account for the for the lack of records pertaining to our Prince Francois de Savoy. Francois left Turin, Italy, traveled over the Alps and headed for France to a section of Vienne, a city of Loudin, to join a group of Norman families on their way to the New World, to settle in the country of Acadia. Francois is reported to be the son of Prince Thomas Francis of Carigano the 2nd son of Charles Emmanuel I, Duke of Savoy from 1580 - 1630. Francois arrived at Port Royal, Acadia about 1643. He married in Acadia in 1651 to Catherine LeJeune who was born in 1633 at Port Royal, Acadia, Nova Scotia. Both died sometime before 1685. Francois and Catherine are the parents of nine children, four sons and five daughters, born between 1653 and 1669."
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de SAVOIE, Victor-Am?d?e Ier Sexe: Masculin Naissance : 1587 ? Turin,Italie,,, D?cs : 1637 ? Verceil,Italie,,, Famille: Mariage: 10 f?vrier 1619 Conjoint: de FRANCE, Christine Sexe: F?minin Naissance : 12 f?vrier 1606 ? Paris,75,au Louvre,, D?cs : 1663 ? Turin,Italie,,, Parents: Pre: de BOURBON, Henri IV le Grand Mre: de MEDICIS, Marie Blanche de SAVOIE (-1323) [Pedigree] Daughter of Louis de SAVOIE Baron Vaud and Jeanne de MONTFORT d. AFT Apr 1323 Married Sir William de GRANDISON 1st Lord Grandison (1255-1335) Children: [listed under entry for William de GRANDISON] References: [CP],[ES],[WallopFH],[FarisPA]
Louis de SAVOIE Baron Vaud [Pedigree] Married Jeanne de MONTFORT Children: 1. Blanche de SAVOIE
Agnes Countess of SAVOY (1138-1177) [Pedigree] Daughter of Amadeo III of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1092-1148) and Maud (Mathilde) Countess of ALBON (1116-1145) b. Abt 1138, Savoie, France d. 1177 Married Guillaume I of GENEVA Count of Geneva (1130-1195) Children: [listed under entry for Guillaume I of GENEVA] References: [GENSERV]
Amadeo II Count of SAVOY (1032-1080) [Pedigree] Son of Eudes SAVOY (1002-1057) and Adelais SUZA (1004-) b. Abt 1032 d. 26 Jan 1080 Married Joan de GENEVA (1034-) Children: 1. Humbert II of SAVOY Count of Murienne and Savoy (1062-1103) m. Gisela (Gille) of Burgundy-Ivrea Countess of Burgundy-Ivrea (1060-1133) References: [GENSERV]
Amadeo III of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1092-1148) [Pedigree] Son of Humbert II of SAVOY Count of Murienne and Savoy (1062-1103) and Gisela (Gille) of Burgundy-Ivrea Countess of Burgundy-Ivrea (1060-1133) b. ABT 1092, Savoy, France d. 1 Apr 1148 Married Maud (Mathilde) Countess of ALBON (1116-1145) Children: 1. Maud Countess of SAVOY (1111-1157) 2. Humbert III "le Saint" of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1136-1188) m. Beatrix de VIENNE (1138-1230) 3. Agnes Countess of SAVOY (1138-1177) m. Guillaume I of GENEVA Count of Geneva (1130-1195)
Beatrice of SAVOY Countess of Savoy (1201-1266) [Pedigree] Daughter of Thomas I of SAVOY Count of Savoy and Maurienne (1178-1233) and Beatrix (Marguerite) de Geneva and Faucigny (1179-1257) b. ABT 1201, Ghamberg, Savoie, France d. Dec 1266, France Married Raymond Berenger V (IV) of_Provence Count of Provence and Forcalquier (1198-1245) Children: [listed under entry for Raymond Berenger V (IV) of_Provence]
Eudes SAVOY (1002-1057) [Pedigree] Son of Humbert I of SAVOY Count of Savoy (975-1042) and Ancelie vonLENZBURG (0974-) b. Abt 1002 d. 19 Jan 1057/1060 Married Adelais SUZA (1004-) Children: 1. Amadeo II Count of SAVOY (1032-1080) m. Joan de GENEVA (1034-) References: [GENSERV]
Humbert I of SAVOY Count of Savoy (975-1042) [Pedigree] Son of Gerald GENEVA (0942-) Count of Maurienne, Marquis of Italy Count of Aosta, Chablis. b. ABT 975 b. ABT 972 d. 1 Jul 1042/1051 d. 1 Jul 1051 Married first Auchilia of Burgundy Children: 1. Otto_I Count of Savoy, Maurienne (1020-1060) m. Adelaide deMontferrat (1034-1091) 2. Amadeo I Count of Savoy m. Adelaide of Albon & Grenoble 3. Thietberge of Maurienne (-1013) Married second Ancelie von LENZBURG (0974-) Children: 1. Eudes SAVOY (1002-1057) m. Adelais SUZA (1004-) References: [GENSERV],[ES],[PlantagenetA],[AR7],[RFC],[Talbot1]
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Humbert II of SAVOY Count of Murienne and Savoy (1062-1103) [Pedigree] Son of Amadeo II Count of SAVOY (1032-1080) and Joan de GENEVA (1034-) b. ABT 1062 r. Savoie, France d. 17 Oct 1103 Married Gisela (Gille) of Burgundy-Ivrea Countess of Burgundy-Ivrea(1060-1133) Children: 1. Alix (Adelaide) of SAVOY Queen of France Countess of Savoy(1092-1154) 2. Amadeo III of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1092-1148) m. Maud (Mathilde)Countess of ALBON (1116 References: [GENSERV]
Humbert III "le Saint" of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1136-1188) [Pedigree] Son of Amadeo III of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1092-1148) and Maud (Mathilde) Countess of ALBON (1116-1145) b. 1 Aug 1136, Savoy, France d. 4 Mar 1188/1189, France Married Beatrix de VIENNE (1138-1230) Children: 1. Thomas I of SAVOY Count of Savoy and Maurienne (1178-1233) m. Beatrix (Marguerite) de Geneva and Faucigny (1179-1257)
Thomas I of SAVOY Count of Savoy and Maurienne (1178-1233) [Pedigree] Son of Humbert III "le Saint" of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1136-1188) andBeatrix de VIENNE (1138- b. 20 May 1178, Chambonnieres, Savoy, Italy b. 20 Mar 1177, Carbonierres, Savoy, France d. 20 Jan 1233, Aosta, Piedmont, Italy d. 1 Mar 1233, Aosta, Savoy, France d. 1233 bur. St. Michael de la Cluse, Aosta, Savoy, France Married Beatrix (Marguerite) de Geneva and Faucigny (1179-1257) Children: 1. Amadeo IV Count of Savoy (1197-1253) m(1) Anne Duchess of Burgundy (1192-1242) 2. Thomas II of Savoy and Piedmont Ct Mgve of Turin and Ivrea(1199-1259) m. Beatrice Fieschi (-1283) 3. Beatrice of SAVOY Countess of Savoy (1201-1266) m. Raymond Berenger V (IV) of_Provence Count of Provence and Forcalquier (1198-1245)
CONC: d about 1650 in Port Royal, Acadie, Canada toCatherine Lejeune Dit Briard. Francois was the son of Thomas, Duke of Savoy, Prince Carignan Francois (or) Francis, and Marie De Bourbon Dit Soissons. st responded. My understanding of the connection of Francois to the House of Savoy comes from "Savoie Heritage, 1621 to Present", Expo Press-NY by Louis Germain Savoy. It is out of print . I have been attempting to find a copy to assess the likelyhood. However I have not been able to access a copy yet. If you find one, let me know. y unsubstantiated and unreferenced. The French nobility were not sticky about their bastards , who frequently were giventitles and important public positions. They were also frequently raisedwith the legitimate children by the wife. I wish we could stop propagating this unsubstantiated nonsense. ported assertion of the lineage in a small book on the Savoys whose title I've misplaced. No documentation is offered in the book for the assertion. The author records it as some his father toldhim. I believe to be the origin of the story. If Thomas illegitimate it is more likely we would know the mother and not the father. But as extensive records were kept by royal/noble families of this ilk of such matters it would be recorded somewhere. It is notable that Settipani in his book on the Bourbons gives no other marriage for Thomas de Savoie, a thing he is quite scrupulous about doing. Thomas lived quite a long life for the periord 1596-1656. Likewise Settipani would have mentioned a morganatic marriage if such had occurred at that time. is Savoie & Thomas Francois de Savoy, Prince ofCarignano. Other than references in other genealogies, I have found none. I believe there could be a connection but, have not found any documentation to prove it. One point that I believe should be made is that Marie de Bourbon of Soissons, although the wife of Thomas François de Savoy, could not have been the mother of François Savoie. Thomas Francois & Marie de Bourbon were married in Paris in 1625. Francois is not listed as a child of this marriage by any of the official records of the House of Savoy or other records of European royalty. Thomas Francois & Marie de Bourbon had 5 or 6 children, including 3 sons, none of whom were named Francois, & all children were born after 1625 (the first one, a daughter,was born in the beginning of 1626). If there is a connection between Francois Savoie & Thomas Francois de Savoy, it would have to be from an earlier (and as yet undiscovered ) morganatic marriage, or would be illegitimate. I hope that a connection can be established, because Thomas Francois de Savoy has an amazing genealogy that can be traced not only to Charlemagne, but to all of the royal houses of Europe. ng of the connection of Francois to the House of Savoy comes from "Savoie Heritage, 1621 to Present, Expo Press-NY by Louis Germain Savoy. It is out of print. I have been attempting to find a copy to assess the likelyhood. However I have not been able to access a copy yet. If you find one, let me know. nection to the Spanish Throne, you first have to accept that there is a connection between the Savoie family & The House of Savoy (i.e. that Francois Savoie was the son of Thomas Francois deSavoy). Thomas Francois's mother was Catherine (Katalina) von Habsburg, the daughter of Philip II of Spain & Elizabeth de Valois. of Savoie but some interesting things. That Carignan-Salieres regiment were in fact used by the French to supress the Iroquois in Quebec. Although the Carignan-Salieres were not specifically mentioned. It seems that some of the soldiers used to suppress the Iroquois were later sent to Acadia. (Port Royal, I believe.) Source TheCanadian Frontier 1534-1760. Though this is not in any way proof of Francois being son of Thomas, It is an interesting connection. ably Martaize in Vienne region of Northern Poitou),came to Acadia bef. 1650, married Catherine LEJEUNE. The theory is that Francois was the son (illegitmate??) of Thomas Francois de Savoie who was apparently the son of the Duke of Savoy. A Germain Savoie asserted this in a book written about 20 years ago, but no documentation that I've seen Anybody got anything concrete on this? It would be neat if it weren't all wishful thinking, as it would connect us to most of the Royal houses of Europe. (not bad for a bunch of Acadian farmers). But I'm always a bit suspicious of undocumented Royal connections. f Savoie. Carignano is simply an off-shoot of the House of Savoy. Tommaso is an Latinized for m of Thomas, just as Francois is a Latinized form of Francis. I have also
Francois de Savoie who was apparently the son of the Duke of Savoy. A Germain Savoie asserted this in a book written about 20 years ago, but no documentation that I've seen Anybody got anything concrete on this? It would be neat if it weren't all wishful thinking, as it would connect us to most o f the Royal houses ofEurope. (not bad for a bunch of Acadian farmers). But I'm always a bitsu spicious of undocumented Royal connections. f Savoie. Carignano is simply an off-shoot of
Francesco's grandfather was Carlo EmmanuleI and his mother was Catherine Hapsburg. His father was Vittorio Amedeo I and mother Cristine de France. Common family names were Emmanuele, Victor, Philip, Marie,
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On 16 Sep 2018 at 16:44 GMT Bill Debuque wrote:
1. Direct Evidence: a. The deathbed confession of Francois himself.
2. Circumstantial Evidence: a. The surname of Francois; b. The timeline of his life; c. The historical context of his migration to the New World; d. The accuracy of other similar oral ancestry claims; d. The autosomal DNA test results on three (3) of his direct descendants (see discussion at Geni).
This is not a criminal case. We do not have to prove anything beyond reasonable doubt.
Currently, however, there appears to be enough preponderance of evidence to conclude that, more likely than not, Francois Savoie is indeed the son of Tomasso.
On 5 Aug 2016 at 00:48 GMT Richard Van Wasshnova wrote:
Savoie-9 is project protected so it must not be modified other than the merge.
On 23 Feb 2016 at 00:17 GMT Richard Van Wasshnova wrote:
On 22 Feb 2016 at 21:32 GMT Susan (Savoy) Chevarie wrote:
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On 11 Apr 2015 at 03:56 GMT John Atkinson wrote:
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