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Elisabeth (Schreiner) Kober (1761)

Elisabeth Kober formerly Schreiner aka Vogel
Born in Germanymap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married before 1782 in Holstein, Russiamap
Wife of — married before 1795 [location unknown]
Died [date unknown] in Franzosen, Saratov, Russiamap
Profile last modified | Created 11 Oct 2017
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Volga German
Elisabeth (Schreiner) Kober is a Volga German.
Elisabeth (Schreiner) Kober has German Roots.

Although she was born in Germany and immigrated to Russia, I haven't been able to positively connect her to her parents yet. She should show up in the Kulberg Reports or in one of the early census records, but so far I have not found any possible matches. These are the only Schreiners that appear in the Index of the 1767 Volga Colony Censuses. [1]

  • Schreiner, Friedrich – Kolb – 2:391
  • Schreiner, Johann Heinrich – Kraft – 2:397
  • Schreiner, Johann Heinrich – Krasnoyar – 2:443
  • Schreiner, Johannes – Norka – 3:244
  • Schreiner, Johannes – Rohleder – 4:59
  • Schreiner, Nicolaus – Seelmann – 4:156
  • Schreiner [Schreiber], Wilhelm – Norka – 3:265

I don't have a copy of Band 2, the volume that would include the Colonies of Kraft, Kolb, and Krasnoyar, so I can't confirm if she appears as a child in any of those records. [2] She is not listed as a child in any family in the Norka, Rohleder, and Seelmann records.

The Colony of Kraft was close to Holstein, where her first husband was from, so that may be the logical place to look next for a match.

She married first husband Christian Vogel before 1782 and the couple had four children:

  • Andreas Vogel, born 1783
  • Karl Vogel, born 1789
  • Maria Dorothea Vogel, born 1791
  • Mari Katharina Vogel, born 1794

She may have had older daughters who were already married and living in other households by 1798. If so, they were not living in Franzosen. The only similar surname to Vogel in Holstein in 1798 was Vogler and they were all male adults. They may have been relatives of her husband. [3]

Her husband Christian Vogel died between 1794 and 1795, and by the end of 1795 she had married second husband Christoph Kober. She and Christoph had two children by 1798:

  • Nikolaus Kober, born 1796
  • Katharina Elisabeth Kober, born 1798

1798 Franzosen Census [4]

Family # 22
Head of the Household Christoph Kober, age 26, from Grimm
Wife Elisabeth Schreiner Kober, age 37, deceased husband Christian Vogel from Holstein
Child #1 Nikolaus Kober, age 2
Child #2 Katharina Elisabeth Kober, age 3 months
Child #3 Andreas Vogel, age 15, father was Christian Vogel
Child #4 Karl Vogel, age 9, father was Christian Vogel
Child #5 Maria Dorothea Vogel, age 7, father was Christian Vogel
Child #6 Maria Katharina Vogel, age 4, father was Christian Vogel


  1. Pleve, Igor. Lists of Colonists to Russia in 1766, "Reprts by Ivan Kulberg," Saratov State Technical University, Saratov, 2010. See villages above.
  2. Pleve, Igor. Einwanderung in das Wolgagebiet 1764-1767, Bands 1-4, Heerstellung: Mecke Druck and Verlag, 37115 Duderstandt; Published 1999.
  3. Mai, Brent Alan; 1798 Census of the German Colonies along the Volga, Volume 1; American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska; Published 1999 and 2005; Village of Holstein, page 489-496.
  4. Mai, Brent Alan; 1798 Census of the German Colonies along the Volga, Volume 1; American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska; Published 1999 and 2005; page 426, family #Fz22, Christoph Kober family.

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