John Seaman
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John Seaman (abt. 1609 - aft. 1695)

Captain John Seaman
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Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married about 1644 (to before 1655) in Hempstead, New Netherlandmap
Husband of — married 1655 in Hempstead, New Netherlandmap
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Died after after about age 86 in Hempstead, Queens, New York Colonymap
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The Puritan Great Migration.
John Seaman migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See The Directory, by R. C. Anderson, p. 300)
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Biography

Puritan Great Migration
John Seaman immigrated to New England between 1621 and 1640 and later departed for Hempstead, Long Island

John Seaman was on the group of twenty men who were the first settlers of Stamford, Connecticut, in 1640. In 1644 he moved on to Hempstead, Long Island, in New Netherland, where he was one of the original proprietors.[1]

The book Seaman Family in America states:

Born in Essex, England between 1603 and 1610. Came to America in 1630 with the Winthrop fleet of ten vessels, nine hundred immigrants, and died early 1695 in Hempstead, Long Island. His will is dated August 5, 1694 and was proved March 20, 1695.

Capt. John1 Seaman was born Bet. 1603 - 1610 in Essex, England, and died 1695 in Hempstead, Queens Co. [now Nassau Co.], NY. He married (1) Elizabeth Strickland (Source: Bunker, Mary Powell, Long Island Genealogies, (Reprint. Originally published : Albany, NY: J. Munsell's Sons, 1895), 291.) 1644, daughter of John Strickland and Jane Fenwick. She died Abt. 1654. He married (2) Martha Moore 1655, daughter of Thomas Moore and Martha Youngs. She was born in England, and died 1698 in Hempstead , Queens Co. [now Nassau Co.], NY.

The Progenitor of the SEAMAN Family on Long Island according to Mary Thomas Seaman as printed in her 1928 book: "The Seaman Family in America..."

In 1631 and 1632, John Seaman, Thomas Moore, William Cooper, John Underhill and others were co-operating with Captain John Mason, John Winthrop and Sir Richard Saltoustall, in the efforts to effect settlements in New Hampshire and these colonizations efforts not being successful, we next find all of these, a little later on, in Connecticut and Long Island.

They were not Pilgrims, but were a Puritanic section still adhering to the Church of England.

Captain John Seaman and others went from their first landing to Watertown, Massachusetts, which they left to escape the imposition of a tax, which the Massachusetts Bay Colony proposed to levy on all the settlers for the purpose of fortifying Newtown (now Cambridge). From Watertown they went to Wethersfield, Connecticut, where they stayed but a short time, having some dissensions concerning church matters. In 1636 John Seaman owned two acres of land at Wrights Island in Wethersfield.

In the Catalogue of Puritanic settlers of Connecticut we find it recorded: "John Seaman, one of the original purchasers of the town of Stamford, where he settled in 1641. It is supposed he moved from Wethersfield to Stamford." The settlers at New Haven who had no charter has purchased property in various places, among them being what is now called Stamford, Connecticut, and an arrangement was then made with these discontented settlers of Wethersfield and the settlement at New Haven, by which the Colony from Wethersfield obtained right to settle Stamford, then called Rippowam. The list of these settlers included the name of John Seaman, the purchase price being on hundred bushels of corn, and John Seaman obtained six acres.

"From Roxbury, Massachusetts, he (John Carman) went to Wethersfield, Connecticut, and thence in company with John Seaman whose ancestors were also burned at the stake in England." John Seaman owned land in Salem, Mass., in 1643.

In 1646 John Seaman and his brother Caleb are recorded in New Haven, Conn. At this period came the Pequod Indian War, and Captain John Mason was given chief command (as Major) of the Connecticut Troops. To John Seaman he gave command of one of the Companies and John Strickland (who later became his father-in-law) was lieutenant of John Seamans company. Hence John Seamans title of Captain. The histories of the day record "John Seaman, later of Hempstead, Long Island, bore arms with demi-seahorse for crest." Another record states that on October 6, 1646, Caleb Seaman was fined 10 shillings for not carrying arms, and on November 3, 1646, "Caleb Seaman desired his fine might be remitted for defect of arms, he going shortly fo r England. Upon his request it was remitted provided he goe for England."

Captain John Seaman was one of the sixty-two original signers (in Connecticut) of the Hempstead compact of land, and in 1647 we find him settled in Hempstead, Long Island, where he became on of the most prominent men for half a century "and had left such a host of descendants as to be remarkable, genealogically."

The Town Records of Hempstead, Long Island, state: "It seems probable that in the previous year Captain John Seaman coming from the eastern end of the island, had settled land adjoining what was subsequently the eastern boundary of the Hempstead Purchase, and had secured title to a tract com prising more than twelve thousand acres, which, in 1685, under the Dongan patent, became part of the town of Hempstead." From that time on we find his name in many pages of history, recording a life of ceaseless activity in the establishment of his section of America.

"Once he signed an agreement or pledged his faith he never disclaimed his share of it."

In a Provincial Convention called in New Amsterdam, by writ of Governor Stuyvesant, December 11, 1653, John Seaman and William Washburne were Representatives. December 21, 1656, John Seaman and Richard Gildersleeve were nominated by Governor Stuyvesant.

"March the 17th, 1657, Stylo Novo. Chosen by the towne of Hempstead for townsmen for the abovsaid yeare ffrancis Weeckes, richard brutnall, richard vallingtyne, robert bedille, Addam Mott.

"Wee the magistrates of the towne of hempsteed doe hereby ingage our selves to stand by and bare out with full power in all such actes and orders as shall conduce for ye good and benefit of this towne of hempsteed this present yeare giving oute of Land and receiving in the inhabitants onely excepted given under our hands this 16th of April 1657 Stylo Novo. R. Guildersleeve, John Seaman. teste John James."

July 17, 1657, Governor Stuyvesant visited Hempstead, and a few days later, July 25th, John Seaman was again sent to the Governor by the town on errands of peace. March, 1658, John Seaman, and others were sent by the town in concert with Che kanow, an Indian representative of the Montauk Sachem and other Indians, to lay out bounds of the town to be known by marked trees, and to "continue forever." "Mr. Seaman was allowed 8 s. for two days travel in laying out the boundaries." In 165 8 he had 20 gates (lengths) of common fence to make, 30 cattle, 15 cows, 43 acres of meadow.

February 1659 "Mr. John Seaman was allowed a bounty of 2 pounds for killing two wolves. For many years a bounty of 20 s to 25 s each was paid by the town of Hempstead for killing wolves." "This may sartyfi that the constable hath satisfie d for the woulfs two to two indians and one to Captain John Seaman twenty shilens for ech woulfe." In 1664 John Seaman was again appointed by the town on a Commission about the bounds, and was often subsequently employed in like service.

In 1665 he became Captain of Queens County Troop of Province of New York, October 2. 1665, Captain John Seaman served on a Grand Jury at Hempstead in a charge of witchcraft, "but-let it be recorded to the credit of John Seaman-the accused wa s not convicted." In 1666 the Village of Jerusalem in the Town of Hempstead, was settled by Captain John Seaman and his six sons, to whom a special patent was granted by Governor Nichols, for a considerable tract of land which had previously bee n purchased by them from the Meroke tribe of Indians. It is recorded that its location was pleasant and its population about 150. May 1669, Thomas Rushmore was ordered to give up to Captain John Seaman the colors he received from the Govenor . In 1668 and 1669 assessment upon land holders shows Captain John Seaman was one of the largest landowners, his payment being 4 pounds, 3 s., 4 p.

From Land Papers

"March 6, 1668 Confirmation on L.I. from Gov. Nicholls to John Hicks, John Seaman, Richard Guildersleeve and others, freeholders of ye said town."

Six of his sons also held land under the new patent. July 3, 1671, he was sent by the town to New York to treat with the Govenor about the east bounds. August 1673, Schepen for Hempstead. May 14, 1674 appointed to hold Court with the Scout at Jamaica.

"At a Jeneral townd Meting Held in Hempstead the 14 day of May in the yeare 1674 Captain John Seamans was elected as chosen by the Ma Jer Vot to be a committee to keepe Cort with the Scout at Jericho. Nathaniel Pearsall Clark." Commissioner of boundaries for a dozen years, 1674 to 1686.

WILL dated August 5, 1694 and proved March 20, 1695:[2] Benjamin Fletcher, Governor, etc. To all to whom these may come. Know ye that at New York the 20 of March, 1694/5, the last will of JOHN SEAMAN was proved and his sons Benjamin and Thomas wer e confirmed as executors.

In the name of God, Amen. I, John Seaman the elder, of Hempstead, in Queens County, upon Long Island, alias Nassau, being weake and infirm in body, and knowing that it appertaineth to every man to set in order all worldly concerns, so yt after dec ease no suite, trouble, or calamity may ensue. And being well advised with the great and weighty work I am now about, do make and declare this my last will and testament. I leave to my oldest son John a certain lot of 22 acres, of which he is no w in possession, and where he now lives; also another lot of 20 acres of meadow upon the neck called the Great Neck, being eastward and within the bounds of said town of Hempstead. I leave to my 5 sons Jonathan, Benjamin, Solomon, Thomas and Samue l, 400 acres of land according to a Patent, granted by Governor Richard Nicolls, lying at a place commonly known and called by the name of Jerusalem, within the bounds of Hempstead, to be equally divided between them. Also a certain neck of meado w lying eastward from said town of Hempstead called in ye Indian tongue Ruskatux Neck. Bounded east by the Oyster Bay line, and upon Hempstead west, and to be equally divided. I leave to my 3 sons, John, Nathaniel, and Richard, the remainde r of my meadow, whereof one half is already confirmed to my son in law, Nathaniel Pearsall, with four or five acres of upland for his convenience of yardidge, for wintering his cattle. Which said meadow is situate upon a neck called by the nam e of the Half Neck, or in the Indian tongue Muskachim. I leave to my eight sons, John, Jonathan, Benjamin, Solomon, Thomas, Samuel, Nathaniel and Richard, all the upland lying and situate upon Ruskatux Neck, as also upon the neck called Half Neck , except the four or five acres confirmed to my son in law, Nathaniel Pearsall. I leave to my sons Nathaniel, and Richard, my lot of meadow at a neck called Sticklands Neck, as also a parcel of meadow lying upon New Bridge Neck. I also give the m 150 acres of upland situated and lying at a place commonly called Success, by virtue of an order from the Town. Also a certain parcel of land, being 316 acres, lying at or near the Harbor head, so called, being already confirmed to my said tw o sons by deed of gift. I give all my rights in the undivided lands in Hempstead to my 8 sons. I leave to my wife Martha a certain house lot adjoining to the land of James Pine, being three acres, during her life, and then to my two sons, Nathanie l and Richard. I also leave them the remainder of my house lots, and the pasture and the field at the eastward of the town called the Holly. I leave to my wife Martha one half of the dwelling house for life and then to my son Richard, and the other half to my son Nathaniel. I leave to my wife one third of the movables, and to my two sons Nathaniel and Richard the other two thirds. I leave to my daughter Mary Pearsall two cows. I leave to my wife six acres of meadow at the Hay Bridge durin g her life and then to my sons Richard and Nathaniel. I leave two thirds of my remaining live stocks to my five daughters, Mary Pearsall, Hannah Carman, Martha Pearsall, Sarah Mott, and Deborah Kirk, and to my daughter Elizabeth Jackson 20 shillin gs. I leave to my sons Richard and Nathaniel all my armes except my large gun, which shall be for the use of all my sons. Makes wife Martha and sons Benjamin and Thomas executors, and "my friends Thomas Powell and John Townsend, Sr., overseers."

Dated August 5, 1694. Witnesses, John Smith, John Carle, George Fowler.

In describing the history of Jones Beach State Park [on the south shore of Long Island, NY] there is an interesting note:

"Most of the land conveyed by the Town of Oyster Bay and a portion of the lands conveyed by Hempstead were in an area where title was in dispute. This brought on what became known as the SEAMAN-GORE case which lasted for ten years and ended in th e United States Supreme Court. The case involved the claim of title by the heirs of John Seaman who received a royal grant in 1666. The private interests in the case were opposed by the Towns of Oyster Bay and Hempstead and before the State got in to the suit the towns allowed judgements to be entered against them. Commissioner [Robert] Moses had the case reopened. Subsequent investigations disclosed instruments of title theretofore unknown and the action was tried all over again. This resu lted in a decision holding that the State had good title and that John Seaman relinquished all claim to the beach land when he applied for and received confirming patents in 1686 from the Governor General of New York which did not include the are a in dispute." [from: Blakelock, Chester R. "Long Island Forum" Feb. 1953] the same paragraph was published in another article by the same author in "Long Island Forum" on October 1957."

Marriages

Captain John Seaman was twice married.[3] He married first in 1644, Elizabeth Strickland, daughter of John and Jane Strickland of Charlestown, Mass. John Strickland had come to America with the first party of "Bay Coherts" to Salem in 1629, took pose ssion of Charlestown and vicinity in 1630, and was made Freeman in May, 1631. John Strickland and all his family except one son (Thwaite) came to Long Island after 1646, and were among the early settlers of note in that vicinity. Captain Joh n and Elizabeth had four sons and one daughter.

Captain John Seaman married second, 1655, Martha Moore, daughter of Thomas and Martha (Young) Moore, of Southhold, Long Island. She was born in England; baptized in Salem, MA., Oct. 21, 1639; died 1698). They had four sons and seven daughters. [4]

Children

  1. John Seaman Jr (c1645-c1697); m Hannah Williams
  2. Jonathan Seaman, b c 1947; m Jane _____
  3. Benjamin Simmons (c1649/50-1733); m Martha Titus
  4. Solomon Simmons (c1651-1733); m bef 1682 Elizabeth Linnington
  5. Elizabeth, b c1653; m Col John Jackson
  6. Samuel Seaman (1668-1732); m 1695 Phoebe Hicks
  7. Thomas Seaman, d 1724; m Mary _____
  8. Nathaniel, d 1759; m 1695 Rachel Willis
  9. Richard Seaman (c1673-1749); m 1693/4 Jane Mott
  10. Sarah, m Lt. John Mott
  11. Martha (1639 [sic]-1712); m 1674 Nathaniel Pearsall
  12. Deborah, m bef 1694 John Kirk
  13. Hannah born [crossed out and replaced with "married") before 1666 John Carman. Seaman genealogy says they had ones one. [5]
  14. Daughter, d bef 1694; m Caleb Carman
  15. Daughter, d bef 1695, unmarried
  16. Mary, m Thomas Pearsall.

Research Notes

Estimated Birth Date Secondary sources give his birth as between 1603 and 1610 without explanation. Lacking a marriage dates, birth dates for himself, his children and even grandchildren, there are not the standard elements used to calculate an approximate date. As the related profiles are researched and developed, we might have more information to determine a range.

Disputed parents: A previous version of this profile claimed, without source, that he was born 4 Aug 1609 in Panfield, Essex, England, son of John Seaman and Ann Hicks. [A search for the record in Ancestry, FamilySearch and FreeRegUK returned no results. Lacking evidence, these parents have been detached. Please discuss evidence for origins before adding any parents or birth details. Thank you.

Possible baptisms: John Seaman is a common name, and without a good birth date estimate and clues to his specific origins in England, it's difficult to evaluate possibilities. The following have been claimed or are possible matches, but would need additional evidence to connect to the immigrant beyond the baptism record alone:

  • FindAGrave notes his birth in 1613 in Seaford, Sussex.[6] There is a baptism for a John, son of Richard 20 March 1613/4 at Seaford.[7]

Sources

  1. Great Migration Newsletter (Online Database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015.), Vol. 9 (2000), "Focus on Stamford," page 4.
  2. (Source: Heritage Books Inc., New York Abstracts of Wills, 1665-1801 (CD #9), (Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, 1997), "CD-ROM," 1:249-250.)
  3. Torrey's New England Marriages to 1700 Marriage Record: SEAMAN/SYMONDS/alias SEAMAN, John1 (?1610-ca 1695) & 1/wf Elizabeth [STRICKLAND]?; ca 1644; Hempstead, LI {NYGBR 10:13, 16, 11:149, 16:95; Stamford Hist. 91; Seaman (1928) 2; Shotwell 238; Winthrop-Babcock 432; Green (,8) 8; Davol-Willets 107, 150, 166; SEAMAN, John1 (?1610ca 1695) & 2/wf [Martha MOORE] (1639-1698+); ca 1655; Hempstead, LI {NYGBR 11:149, 14:59-60; Felt Anc. 83; Seaman (1928) 22; Shotwell 235; Winthrop-Babcock 358, 432; Davol-Willets 122, 150; Mott (,6) 296, 304; Ring-Mailer 214; Wickham-
  4. from Seaman, Mary Thomas, The Seaman Family in America..., (New York: TA Wright, 1928) p. 21
  5. Seaman genealogy p 24
  6. Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/136406587/john-seaman: accessed 27 October 2022), memorial page for Capt John Seaman (1613–25 Aug 1695), Find a Grave Memorial ID 136406587, ; Maintained by Hochi (contributor 47888629) Burial Details Unknown. NOTE: Unsourced, no gravestone
  7. Sussex : Seaford : St Leonard : Parish Register : "Parish Register" database, FreeREG (https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5dc9c831f493fd56bd4f7fa1 : viewed 20 Nov 2023) baptism Jhon Seaman 20 Mar 1613/14

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Captain John Seaman is my 10 ggf. I grew up in the area where he settled, in what is now Nassau County, Long Island, New York.

I’ve lived in Hempstead, and was raised about 10 miles from Massapequa in the town of North Bellmore on Long Island. There is a street named Seaman’s Neck Road in Seaford, LI. I believe that it was named after John Seaman because it runs north and south near the historic maker (picture is posted here).

Ironically, my father was walking across Seaman’s Neck Road in 2014 when he was struck by a car and killed. The crazy part is that John Seaman is on my maternal side, and my dad was killed on the street name after my mom’s 9th great-grandfather. I couldn’t possibly have predicted that kind of connection. It was shocking to say the least.

posted 4 Apr 2021 by Susan Ellen Smith   [thank Susan Ellen]
The will of John Seaman, signed by him and dated the 5 Aug 1694 (proved 20 Mar 1695), is quite detailed, the following is an abstract:

In the name of God, I, John Seaman the Elder of Hempstead in Queens County upon LI, NY being weak & indisposed in body but of perfect mind and memory... Item, to eldest son John Seaman a certain lot of 22 acres of which he is now in possession of where he now lives as also a certain 20 acres of meadow situated upon a neck called Great Neck, being eastward and within the bounds of said town of Hempstead. Item, to sons Jonathan, Benjamin, Solomon, Thomas and Samuell - 400 acres of land according to a Patten granted by Colonell Richard Nicolls lying at a place commonly called and known by the name of Jerusalem within the bounds of Hempstead, to be equally divided between them. Also to those five a certain neck of meadow lying eastward from said town of Hempstead called in ye Indian tongue Ruskatux Neck. Bounded east by the Oyster Bay line, and upon Hempstead west, to be equally divided. To sons John, Nathaniel and Richard the remainder of my meadow, whereof one half is already confirmed to my son in law, Nathaniel Pearsall, with four or five acres of upland for his convenience of yardidge, for wintering his cattle. Which said meadow is situate upon a neck called by the name of the Half Neck, or in the Indian tongue Muskachim, to be equally divided. To my eight sons, John, Jonathan, Benjamin, Solomon, Thomas, Samuel, Nathaniel and Richard, all the upland lying and situate upon Ruskatux Neck, as also upon the neck called Half Neck, except the four or five acres confirmed to my son in law, Nathaniel Pearsall, to be divided equally. To sons Nathaniell & Richard my lot of meadow at a neck called Sticklands Neck, as also a parcel of meadow lying upon New Bridge Neck. Also to Richard and Nathaniell 150 acres of upland situated and lying at a place commonly called Success, by virtue of an order from the Town; also a certain parcel of land, being 316 acres, lying at or near the Harbor head, so called, being already confirmed to my said two sons by deed of gift, all to be equally divided. Item, all my rights in the undivided lands in Hempstead to my 8 sons (name again) to be equally divided. To my well beloved wife Martha Seamans a certain home lot adjoining land of James pin (Pine) being three acres +/- during her natural life or marriage and then to sons Nath'l and Rich'd, also to them the remainder of my home lots and pasture and the field at the east end of the town called the Holly with the barns to be equally divided. To wife Martha the one half of my dwelling house and at her death or marriage then to son Richard, the other haklf to son Nathaniel. Item, to my wife, one-third of my moveables within doors to give and dispose of as she sees best. To Nath'l & Rich'd the other two-thirds of my moveables to be equally divided. To my loving wife, one pair of oxen, one horse and one breeding mare, four cows, ten ewe sheep and one breeding sow. To Rich'd one three year old mare. To Nath'l one pair of oxen; to Rich'd one Pair of oxen, one pair of three year old steers and two cowes; to Nath'l one pair of three year old steers and two cows. To wife six acres of meadow lying at Hay Bridge, at her death or marriage to sons Nath'l and Rich'd. To daughter Mary Pearsall two cows and six ewe sheep. To Samuell one pr. of oxen and one cow. As for the rest of my stock of cattle and sheep two third shall be equally divied amongst my five daughters Martha Pearsall, Hannah Carman, Mary Pearsall, Sarah Mott and Deborah Kirk and the other third of my stock to be equally divided amongst my eight sons (again named). To daughter Elizabeth Jackson 20 shillings to be paid her when division is made. To Nath'l and Rich'd all my instruments of husbandry to all sorts to be equally divided. To my eight sons above mentiomned all my horse kind to be equally divided; to Nath'l & Rich'd all my arms excepting my large gun which shall be for the use of all my sons. To my wife, sons Nathaniel and Richard the rest of my swine. Executors: wife, Martha Seaman, and sons Benjamin and Thomas. Overseers: friends Tho's Powell and John Townsend, Sr. Witnesses: John Smith, John Carl, George Fowler, James Clement, Benjamin Fletcher, Governor, etc.

posted 24 Sep 2010 by Valentine Van Zee
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There is an apparent error in the Seaman history as compiled by Mary Thomas Seaman. The date for the Pequot war are 1636-37 not 1646 as she states.
posted by Daniel Losea
At long last a merge has been submitted...please be sure not to carry along these unsourced parents from Seaman-385 when it's done.
posted on Seaman-385 (merged) by Brad Stauf
Seaman-385 and Seaman-10 appear to represent the same person because: Same death date in Hempstead
posted by Charles Dame
Thanks for submitting the merge Charles. Profile managers, lease be sure not to carry along the unsourced parents and place/date of birth from Seaman-385 when it's done.
posted by Brad Stauf
How do we know this was the emigrant to Long Island? And if he really WAS the emigrant to Long Island, there's a duplicate:

Seaman-10

posted on Seaman-385 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
is Elizabeth Seaman (Seaman-36) Aunt of John Seaman (Seaman-10), husband of Elizabeth Strickland, mar. 1644 first wife; and Martha Moore, mar. 1655 second wife; consider Elizabeth Seaman perhaps sibling to John Seaman born about 1590, if not John born 1690, placeholder Seaman born 1590.
I don't see any sources showing Elizabeth's last name on her profile (Seamon-36). What sources do you have that show her last name at birth? Both Anderson and Torrey say that Richard Ward's wife Elizabeth's last name was unknown.

UPDATE: Elizabeth Seamon-36 has been merged into Elizabeth Unknown-535542 because there are no sources that show that Elizabeth Seamon is the woman who married Richard Wade.

posted by S (Hill) Willson
edited by S (Hill) Willson
Elizabeth Strickland is frequently named as his first wife and there is no record such exists. It is only known that John Strickland and John Seaman had early adventures together in the Colonies.

New York Genealogical & Biographical Record. Vol. XI, No. 4, October 1880, by Charles B. Moore.

posted by [Living Vigneron]
Thanks, Charles.

I went looking for the NYGBR reference. It's here for NEHGS members: https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/new-york-genealogical-and-biographical-record/image/?volumeId=12828&pageName=149&rId=24605309 The article title is "Genealogical and Biographical Sketch of Capt. John Seaman, of Hempstead, L.I."

It says "It has been reported that he married first a Miss Strictland. We have not the date nor any record of her marriage or decease. His neighbor, John Smith, did so; but we discover no verification of it as to him."

I assume by "did so" that neighbor John Smith married a Miss Strictland. Note that no first name is provided. I will look up the other Torrey references.

posted by Jillaine Smith
NYGBR 10:13 is "The Early History of Hempstead," and the entry is about John Strickland. It has his daughter Elizabeth married Jonas Wood and that it was "a daughter" who was first wife of John Seaman. See https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/new-york-genealogical-and-biographical-record/image?pageName=13&volumeId=12754

NYGBR 10:16 is the end of the same article above and mentions John Seaman, but not his wife. See https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/new-york-genealogical-and-biographical-record/image?volumeId=12754&pageName=15

NYGBR 16:95 is Notes and Queries and seems to simply repeat what was said above, I.e., that John Seaman's first wife was a daughter of John Strickland. https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/new-york-genealogical-and-biographical-record/image/?pageName=95&volumeId=13079

Can someone look up the other Torrey references to see where Torrey came up with Elizabeth as the first name of his first wife ? If she was a dau of John Strickland, she could not have Been Elizabeth because his daughter Elizabeth married someone else. If she was an Elizabeth the. She was not John Strickland's daughter.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Done. Also did some narrative cleanup. More is needed.
posted by Jillaine Smith
I think detaching the parents would be the wisest choice. John Seaman is, at present, not a recognized Gateway Ancestor and his parentage is unsourced.
posted by K. Stromsted
Since no one has been able to provide a source for the claimed parents, I propose addition of a disputed origins section and then detaching the parents and genericizing the the birth info. Objections?
posted by Jillaine Smith
How do we know/confirm that John was son of John Seaman and Anna Hicks? Thanks.
posted by Jillaine Smith
NNS, since this is ancestor is also PGM, I've added PGM to the trusted list.
posted by Anne B
Something wrong with the older daughter Hannah Seaman as recorded now. She is recorded as seven years younger than her mother??? Since there is another daughter named Hannah further down the tree, I suspect this first Hannah's surname at birth is incorrect. Secondly, a descendant list of John Carman (the elder Hannah's husband) has their oldest son as Caleb, married to the younger Hannah Seaman. Caleb would not have married his mother's younger sister (his maternal aunt). I believe the parents and surname for elder Hannah Seaman should be deleted and have her as Hannah Unknown pending further research. This link will show the two Hannah Seamans as incompatible..

https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Carman-Descendants-163

The two Hannah Seamans are mother-in-law/daughter in law I think. I don't think the older one was ever a Seaman at all unless there's a second marriage in there we haven't discovered. Maybe she was old John's widowed sister in law?

posted by Owen Atkinson
Daughter Hannah Carman is named in his will. So Hannah (Seaman) Carman is his daughter, right, or do we need more proof? How many Hannah Carmans were there in Hempstead?
posted by H Husted
Does this will pertain to this same John Seaman? This will names one of his daughters as Hannah Carman.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mckinsey&id=P758574390

posted by Beryl Meehan
Seaman-655 and Seaman-10 appear to represent the same person because: Same name, same two wives, dates need to be reconciled
posted by Bob Tonsmeire
Have tentatively added another child - Hannah Seaman. Not sure how to interpret http://www.antonymaitland.com/hptext/hp0538.txt 's info on child 13 and 14. Would welcome comments on the two Hannah's that married Carmans.
posted by [Living E]