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Elizabeth (See) Stump (abt. 1773 - abt. 1852)

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Elizabeth Stump formerly See
Born about in Virginiamap
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Wife of — married 1788 in Hardy County, VA now WVmap
Descendants descendants
Died about in West Virginia, USAmap
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Biography

There is confusion between Elizabeth See (1754-aft. 1827) who md. a different Leonard Stump Jr. (1771-1827) and her cousin, Catherine See (1754-1827) md Leonard Stump Sr.(1749-1828).

Catherine See was the daughter of Michael and Barbara (Harness) See and her cousin Elizabeth See was the daughter of George and Christina (Bogard) See. Michael and George were brothers.

The two Leonard Stumps were uncle and nephew. Leonard Sr. was son of Michael and Anna Catherine (Neff) Stump, and Leonard Jr. was the son of Michael Stump, Jr. Michael Jr. was brother of Leonard Sr.


Bill Neff explains there were two Leonard Stumps (uncle and nephew) who married two See cousins (Catherine d/o Michael and Elizabeth d/o of George respectively.) His information was based on Hardy land and estate records.

Bill Neff points out there were several Leonard Stumps and two (uncle and nephew) married two See cousins. Leonard-2 (Michael-1) m. Catherine "Kate" See-3 (Michael-2, George-1) whereas his nephew, Leonard-3 (Michael, Jr.-2, Michael-1) m. Elizabeth See-3 (George-2, George-1). Kate and Elizabeth were 1st cousins.

Notes for Elizabeth SEE:

George See's will, June 11, 1811 lists daughter Elizabeth Stump. Hardy Co. Will Book 1:469 . George See-Wife Christiana; sons George and Adam; children of son John, deceased; and daughters Phebe Couchman, Mary and her husband John Craigen, and Elizabeth and her husband Leonard Stump, and Katie Paul and her daughter Clara- Executors- John Craigen and Adam See- Wits George Harness, Jr., John Hay, William Bullitee, Edward Williams, and James Machir -

Leonard's will and other land documents also name his wife Elizabeth.

Children of Leonard & Elizabeth See Stump: George, Michael, Phebe, Leonard, John, Dorothy, Keziah, Cuthbert, Elizabeth, Clara, and Sarah.


From Bill Neff: Hardy Co Deed bk 10 p 401 dated 29 Apr 1827 "Hardy County, to wit, agreeable to an order of Court to us directed, We the undersigned have divided the land of Leonard Stump, dec'd and have given the widow her dower of the home place on the upper end of said plantation to begin at the mulberry near the road and about two hundred yards above the old mill running eastwardly crossing the South Fork and with notch line to the last line of said ? tract to have the upper part the widow is to have all the land from Leonard Stump south lower line to the afforesaid line ally ?? we have laid of the widows dower of the land of said Stump dec'd formerly Michael Stumps and have assigned the land above the lane and blacksmith shop and on the east side of the South Fork to Michael Brakes land to the widow all which is submitted given under our hands and seal this 29th day of April 1827.

/s/ Christina simon (seal)
/s/ Jacob Wilson (seal)
/s/ George Simon (seal)

At a court held for Hardy Co the 9th day of October 1827. This report of laying off & surveying the dower of Elizabeth Stump, widow of Leonard Stump for dec'd in the lands of said dec'd in Hardy Co was returned ordered to be recorded. Teste- Ed Williams, clerk

Her children were selling rights in her dower land well into the 1850's. Her son Leonard was in Missouri in 1845, when he gave James P Stump power of attorney to sell his interest in his mother's dower lands. I have assumed that the Leonard that went to Missouri was Leonard Stump III that married Mary Morrow in 1820, but we don't show her signing any deeds.

From:Bill Neff <jwneff@bridgernet.com>-Oct, 1999 " I have estimated some dates of birth from Census records. Have no family Bibles or primary source records except marriage records. Some dates of birth may be estimated from marriage dates or dates of birth of first children. On Leonard and Elizabeth See, I may have some dates from Everett Yoakum's book.

"There are two Leonard Stumps. In fact there are about 5 that I can think of off the top of my head. But two that married Sees. Leonard, the son of Michael and Anna Catherine Neff Stump, married Catherine. Others have identified her as being the daughter of Michael See and Barbara Rebecca Harness. We know that this Leonard's wife WAS Catherine because of her signature on deeds. Some have his name as James Leonard Stump. I don't know where they got the "James" from, as I have never seen it on any record. Let's identify this one as Leonard, Sr.

"Leonard, Sr had a brother named Michael Stump II and also a brother George Stump. When their father, Michael Stump(I) died he left each of his three sons about 400 acres of land.

"Michael Stump (II) died in 1799 without a will. He had 9 children at that time. Leonard, Jr, who appears to be son of Michael II bought 1/9 shares from his siblings. So we have Leonard, Sr and Leonard,Jr living on adjacent farms. I expect they used the Sr and Jr designations to lesson the confusion between them. From deeds, census records and George See's will we know Leonard, Jr's wife was Elizabeth. She was still alive in 1850. Leonard, Jr also died without a will. One-third went to his widow, as her "dower" rights which would pass to her children at her death. When Leonard, Jr. died, he had 10 children. His land was divided and sold to James P. Stump and Isaac Dasher. (Dasher was James P. Stump's father-in-law) I have been able to identify all but one of Leonard's children by the deeds selling their lots and also their reversionary interests in Elizabeth's dower.

"I am sure that others have NOT looked at the deeds which help sort these two Leonards. They see George's will saying his daughter Elizabeth was married to a Leonard Stump and also see some records with Leonard's wife as Catherine. So they have combined the two as Elizabeth Catherine and Catherine Elizabeth to get around the problem.

"Leonard Stump, Sr left a will but did not mention a son Leonard or any children of a deceased Leonard. There was a Captain Leonard Stump that died in 1826 and his estate was administered by Leonard Stump, Jr. (his cousin) I think this may have been the first son of Leonard Stump, Sr. but do not have any proof. (He'd have been dead before his father's will)

"I am a descendant of Leonard Stump, Jr and Elizabeth See. Their daughter Phebe Stump married Isaac Neff, in Hardy Co and moved to Franklin Co., Ohio in 1818. These are my gg grand parents. The Neff's and Stumps were also from the Tulpehocken Valley. Michael Stump I md Anna Catherine Neff in 1739 in Tulpehocken, Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

"Other Stump family histories have Leonard Stump, Jr as marrying Mary Morrow but this is incorrect. The marriage record in Hardy County shows Leonard Stump 3rd marrying Mary Morrow. This Leonard 3rd is son of Leonard Jr. and Catherine See. Leonard 3rd moved to Gasconade County, Missouri with his wife Mary, also called "Polly." Leonard and Mary sold their interest to Leonard Jr's estate while living in Gasconade Co., Missouri.

Deed Record: James P. Stump agent and attorney in fact for Leonard Stump (3rd) of the County of Gasconade, Missouri, sold land to Isaac Dasher. "to the one undivided tenth part of the reversionary interest of the dower of Elizabeth, in the lands of Leonard Stump, dec'd, her husband, situated in the County of Hardy on the South Fork, being the interest of Leonard Stump in said dower lands...



Acknowledgments

  • WikiTree profile UNKNOWN-80714 created through the import of myfam.ged on Jun 26, 2011 by Robert Davis. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Robert and others.

Sources


Bill Neff research into original records- Hampshire Co, WV Deed and Will books.

- Hardy County Deed Book 18, page 422, dated May 2, 1845-

See also:

Sara Patton research -sources given in above description

Will of George See proven Sep 1811. Hardy Co Will Bk 1 p 469

Hardy Co Deed Bks.

Hardy Co Census Records

David Armstrong, Notes on the German Yokum & See Families of the South Branch WV & KY, Based on research as of 18 Dec 2009, Ref: Slip of paper in Leonard Stump Family Bible "dates to remember"..

Research Notes

This profile has two Biography sections as a result of the GEDCOM import. I moved the second biography here in case there is information not appearing in the first section.

Biography 2

There is a LOT of confusion about which See daughter married which Leonard Stump, as there are many Leonard Stumps! It appears that two See cousins (Elizabeth dau of George and Christiana Bogart See--and Catherine or Katy See, dau of Michael and Barbara Harness See) each married a Leonard Stump (nephew and uncle respectively). Later genealogists mistakenly tried to combine the two women and two men as one couple ascribing the wrong children to the wrong couple!!

According Peter H. See, his great aunt Katy See, the 6th daughter of Michael and Barbara Harness See married Leonard Stump Sr. -- confirmed by Helen Yoakum Black, a granddaughter of Leonard Sr. and Catherine See. Other Hardy Co land and estate records confirm the two separate couples.

Leonard (Jr.), probably son of Michael, Jr (brother to Leonard Sr. making Leonard Jr. a nephew to Leonard Sr.) married Elizabeth See, d/o George and Christiana Bogart and neighbors on the South Fork. George See's will, June 11, 1811 lists daughter Elizabeth Stump. Hardy Co. Will Book 1:469 . Leonard's will and other land documents also name his wife Elizabeth.

That this Elizabeth See is the daughter of George and Christiana (Bogart) See comes from George's will in which he names the following: Wife Christiana; sons George and Adam; children of deceased son John; and daughters Phebe Couchman, Mary and her husband John Craigen; Elizabeth and her husband Leonard Stump, and Katie Paul and her daughter Clara- Executors- John Craigen and Adam See- Wits George Harness, Jr., John Hay, William Bullitee, Edward Williams, and James Machir - 11 Jun 1811 in Hardy Co Will Bk 1 p 469

The precise birth, death and marriage dates of Elizabeth See or Leonard Stump, Jr. have never been documented from records and family charts are all over the place trying to pin them down. Some family sheets give Elizabeth's birth date as Feb 26/28, 1754 or 1771, again confusing the two See cousins. IF Elizabeth Stump (age 77 in 1850 census) is same person as she appears to be, her birth year would be 1772-1773 which fits with supposed birthdate of 1771 given for her husband, Leonard Jr. Thus a marriage date of 1773, as some claim, would be out of the question but fits Catherine See md. to Leonard Sr. Others suggest 1788 (when Elizabeth was 16 if b. in 1772) as a marriage date, but again without documentation. Nor are their children's birth dates documented, so again, it is impossible to pin down a marriage date.

Some give Elizabeth's death date as 28 April, 1821 but Bill Neff claims she was living after death of her husband who died intestate in 1827. And her probable appearance in the 1850 census with granddaughter Sarah Shook argues for a death date after 1850.

From Bill Neff---a thorough Stump/Neff researcher---
"Hardy County, to wit, agreeable to an order of Court to us directed, We the undersigned have divided the land of Leonard Stump, dec'd and have given the widow her dower of the home place on the upper end of said plantation to begin at the mulberry near the road and about two hundred yards above the old mill running eastwardly crossing the South Fork and with notch line to the last line of said ? tract to have the upper part the widow is to have all the land from Leonard Stump south lower line to the afforesaid line ally ?? we have laid of the widows dower of the land of said Stump dec'd formerly Michael Stumps [father or grandfather of Leonard] and have assigned the land above the lane and blacksmith shop and on the east side of the South Fork to Michael Brakes land to the widow all which is submitted given under our hands and seal this 29th day of April 1827.

/s/ Christina simon (seal); /s/ Jacob Wilson (seal); /s/ George Simon (seal)

At a court held for Hardy Co the 9th day of October 1827. This report of laying off & surveying the dower of Elizabeth Stump, widow of Leonard Stump for dec'd in the lands of said dec'd in Hardy Co was returned ordered to be recorded. Teste- Ed Williams, clerk
Hardy Co Deed bk 10 p 401 dated 29 Apr 1827

Elizabeth Stump was still living in 1850 per Hardy Co Census. Also all her children were selling rights in her dower land well into the 1850's, proving that she was still alive (SSP NOTE: If children are selling their rights in dower lands, she is probably not still alive!) Also Leonard -son of Leonard was in Missouri in 1845, when he gave James P Stump power of attorney to sell his interest in his mother's dower lands.

Names and dates for these children vary. I've used the list from Bill Neff as others have incorrectly assigned children of Leonard and Catherine See, (verified by Helen Yoakum Black) to Leonard and Elizabeth See. The children of Leonard Stump Sr. and CATHERINE SEE (d/o Michael See and Barbara Harness) include Elizabeth, Mary Ann, Catherine, Hannah, Christine, Adam, Dorothy and Ann as discussed under their line.

Children of Leonard & Elizabeth See Stump: George, Michael, Phebe, Leonard, John, Dorothy, Keziah, Cuthbert, Elizabeth, Clara, and Sarah.

Correspondence with Bill Neff, a thorough research, may explain some of the confusion: From:Bill Neff <jwneff@bridgernet.com>-Oct, 1999

"I have estimated some dates of birth from Census records. Have no family Bibles or primary source records except marriage records. Some dates of birth may be estimated from marriage dates or dates of birth of first children. On Leonard and Elizabeth See, I may have some dates from Everett Yoakum's book.

"There are two Leonard Stumps. In fact there are about 5 that I can think of off the top of my head. But two that married Sees. Leonard, the son of Michael and Anna Catherine Neff Stump, married Catherine. Others have identified her as being the daughter of Michael See and Barbara Rebecca Harness. We know that this Leonard's wife WAS Catherine because of her signature on deeds. Some have his name as James Leonard Stump. I don't know where they got the "James" from, as I have never seen it on any record. Let's identify this one as Leonard, Sr.

"Leonard, Sr had a brother named Michael Stump II and also a brother George Stump. When their father, Michael Stump(I) died he left each of his three sons about 400 acres of land.

"Michael Stump (II) died in 1799 without a will. He had 9 children at that time. Leonard, Jr, who appears to be son of Michael II bought 1/9 shares from his siblings. So we have Leonard, Sr and Leonard,Jr living on adjacent farms. I expect they used the Sr and Jr designations to lessen the confusion between them. From deeds, census records and George See's will, we know Leonard, Jr's wife was Elizabeth. She was still alive in 1850. Leonard, Jr also died without a will. One-third went to his widow, as her "dower" rights which would pass to her children at her death. When Leonard, Jr. died, he had 10 children. His land was divided and sold to a distant cousin, James P. Stump and Isaac Dasher. (Dasher was James P. Stump's father-in-law) I have been able to identify all but one of Leonard's children by the deeds selling their lots and also their reversionary interests in Elizabeth's dower.

"I am sure that others have NOT looked at the deeds which help sort these two Leonards. They see George's will saying his daughter Elizabeth was married to a Leonard Stump and also see some records with Leonard's wife as Catherine. So they have combined the two as Elizabeth Catherine and Catherine Elizabeth to get around the problem.

"Leonard Stump, Sr left a will but did not mention a son Leonard or any children of a deceased Leonard. There was a Captain Leonard Stump that died in 1826 and his estate was administered by Leonard Stump, Jr.(his cousin) I think this may have been the first son of Leonard Stump, Sr. but do not have any proof. (He'd have been dead before his father's will)

"I am a descendant of Leonard Stump, Jr and Elizabeth See. Their daughter Phebe Stump married Isaac Neff, in Hardy Co and moved to Franklin Co., Ohio in 1818. These are my gg grand parents. The Neff's and Stumps were also from the Tulpehocken Valley. Michael Stump I md Anna Catherine Neff in 1739 in Tulpehocken, Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

"Other Stump family histories have Leonard Stump, Jr as marrying Mary Morrow but this is incorrect. The marriage record in Hardy County shows Leonard Stump 3rd marrying Mary Morrow. This Leonard 3rd is son of Leonard Jr. and Catherine See. Leonard 3rd moved to Gasconade County, Missouri with his wife Mary, also called "Polly." Leonard and Mary sold their interest to Leonard Jr's estate while living in Gasconade Co., Missouri.

Deed Record: James P. Stump agent and attorney in fact for Leonard Stump (3rd) of the County of Gasconade, Missouri, sold land to Isaac Dasher. "to the one undivided tenth part of the reversionary interest of the dower of Elizabeth, in the lands of Leonard Stump, dec'd, her husband, situated in the County of Hardy on the South Fork, being the interest of Leonard Stump in said dower lands... SOURCE: Hardy County Deed Book 18, page 422, dated May 2, 1845.



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See-190 and See-1 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicate
posted by Sara (Stevens) Patton
See-190 and See-1 are not ready to be merged because: birth and death dates need to be researched and confirmed
posted by Lory Henning
I corrected the birth and death dates on this profile so it wouldn't be confused with Catherine See who md. Leonard Stump, Sr.
posted by Sara (Stevens) Patton
See-190 and See-1 appear to represent the same person because: The merge should be made to See-190 which has the correct dates and explains the confusion between the two Leonard Stumps. Then the daughter Keziah can also be merged.
posted by Sara (Stevens) Patton
See-190 and See-1 do not represent the same person because: Two See cousins, Elizabeth and Catherine See married two Leonard Stumps, one the nephew, the other an uncle. Early researchers have gotten them confused and tried combining the See girls into one person.
posted by Sara (Stevens) Patton
The birth and marriage dates belong to Catherine See (See-95), daughter of Michael and Barbara (Harness) See who md. Leonard Stump Sr. Keziah should be unlinked as a daughter and linked to See-190, wife of Leonard Stump Jr. All of the information in this profile belongs to Elizabeth See-190 and should be moved to that profile. Or correct the names and then merge.
posted by Sara (Stevens) Patton
See-190 and See-1 appear to represent the same person because: see notes in #190 about the various dates, same person
posted by S Stevenson
See-95 and See-1 are not ready to be merged because: Name Elizabeth is wrong. Catherine had a sister named Elizabeth b. 2 yrs later.
See-95 and See-1 appear to represent the same person because: Same maiden name and DOB, husband named the same.
posted by Dana (Dauphinee) Reale
See-567 and See-190 appear to represent the same person because: This is the oldest maternal ancestor in this chain in need of a merge. No tree conflicts. In case marriatge gets lost in the husband merge next, it is married 1788 in Hardy County, VA now WV. Thanks!
posted by Steven Mix

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