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Humphrey Seymour Gent. (abt. 1434 - 1502)

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Humphrey Seymour Gent.
Born about in Even Swindon, Wiltshire, Englandmap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died in Oxfordshire, Englandmap
Profile last modified | Created 10 Sep 2010
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Biography

Humphrey Seymour, son of Sir John Seyour and Isabel Williams (m 1424), was their third son. He married Elizabeth Winslow, who died before 1515 (widow of John Tenumber, living 1458). Elizabeth was the daughter and co-heiress of Thomas Winslow (or Wynslowe), Esq., by Agnes, daughter of Sir John Throckmorton.[1]

Humphrey and Elizabeth (Winslow) Seymour had one son, Simon, and one daughter, Eleanor (married John Ashfield, Esq.).[1]

Humphrey Seymour, Gent., was living in 1509.[1]

Research Notes

Birth: Given without sources by family trees as 1453/1454, Even Swindon, Wiltshire, England,[2][3][4] it is more likely he was born about 20 years earlier (c1434), based on his parents' marriage in 1424 and his wife's birth in 1438 (apparently based on her first marriage in 1458, but also on her father's birth, given as 1400 in History of Parliament,[5] with a note on Thomas Winslow's profile that his birth "is likely anywhere from 1400 to 1412").

Father: History of Parliament shows Humphrey to be son of Sir John Seymour (1402-1464), and named as son in his 1464 will.[5]

A footnote in a BHO article[6] questions that Sir John Seymour (1402-1464) was son Roger (as given in History of Parliament) and notes Humprhey's father as John (d 1463):

"By 1458 the manor was held by Thomas Winslow, who then settled it on his daughter Elizabeth when she married John Terumber, son of James Terumber, a rich clothier from Trowbridge. (fn. 40) John must have died without issue, for Elizabeth Winslow subsequently married Humphrey, younger son of John Seymour (d. 1463), of Wolfhall (in Great Bedwyn). (fn. 41) From him must have descended Simon Seymour, whose trustees let the manor to Thomas Mill alias Saunders in 1510, and Alexander Seymour, party to a further lease to the same man in 1528.
  • "40. Cal. Close, 1454–61, 285, 296; for James Terumber, see V.C.H. Wilts. iv. 134–6.
  • "41. W.A.S. Libr., Devizes, Jackson's Seymour MSS.; for an unexplained reason old pedigrees of the Seymours (e.g. Banks, Baronies in Fee, i. 121) derive the family from Sir Roger Seymour of Even Swindon (fl. c. 1370), but no evidence that Seymours held there as early as that has been found, and the descent outlined here seems to explain their connexion with the manor adequately."

Freereg.org search on 21 September 2018 for records in "Swindon (including 40 additional places within 15.5 miles)," Wiltshire for Humphrey Seymour between 1420 and 1460 (Soundex, including Family Members and Witnesses) found none.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 Source: Magna Carta Ancestry (#Richardson)
  2. hofundssonAnces.ged
  3. LDS AFN 9FZP-MC, Pedigree Resource File, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day SAINTS Publication: June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998
  4. from the import of Bwiki.ged on 03 April 2011, source citation Ancestral File Number 9FZP-MC
  5. 5.0 5.1 Wedgwood, Josiah C. History of Parliament, 1439-1509. (London, 1936):958, Thomas Winslowe. LINK; page 958, (1019 out of 1045) accessed 21 September 2018
  6. BHO: "Swindon: Manors and other estates" (pages 119-124), A History of the County of Wiltshire, Volume 9. "Originally published by Victoria County History, London, 1970. (accessed 21 September 2018)
  • Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), Vol III, p 109 MALET #10iii
    • footnote 64 (on #10iiia, "Eleanor Seymour, married John Ashfield... [see ASHFIELD 10]"): "Ancestors of Thomas Booth, Samuel & William Torrey."




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On 7 Apr 2019 at 23:01 GMT Anonymous (Holland) Carroll wrote:

Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume IV, page 617 SEYMOUR 16.

John Seymour, born about 1395-1403. He married 30 July 1424 Isabel William, daughter of Mark William (or Williams), by his wife, Agnes. They had four sons, John, Roger, Richard, and Humphrey. Sir John Seymour died 20 Dec. 1464. He left a will dated 20 Nov. 1464, proved 23 Feb. 1465. His widow, Isabel, died 14 April 1485.

On 25 Sep 2018 at 14:56 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

copy of a comment posted to my profile:

.... Yes, I think you are right about the placement. Wikipedia should be changed. Also found this support:

Reference:

C 1/57/1

Description:

Short title: Isabel v Peche.

Plaintiffs: Humphrey, son of Dame Isabel Seymour, deceased, late the wife of Sir John Seymour, knight.

Defendants: William Peche.

Subject: Detention of deeds relating to lands called `Droyses Londes' in Bristol.

Somerset.

2 documents

Date:

1475-1480, or 1483-1485

Held by:

The National Archives, Kew

On 22 Sep 2018 at 02:09 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

same source, pp 756-757 (816-817 of 1045) says Sir John Seymour b 1402 had "John, M.P. (1425-63)" and was succeeded by his grandson John (age 14) in 1464. It also names his sons - including Humphrey - executors of of his 1464 will.

On 22 Sep 2018 at 01:56 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

this source (p 958, or 1019 out of 1045, found on the profile for Thomas Winslow (Elizabeth's father), says "In 1458, he was settling lands... on the marriage of his da. Elizabeth." (this was her first husband, but it still makes the 1454 birth for Humphrey look more like a typo; probably 1434 was meant; Richardson's MCA doesn't give a birth year).

On 22 Sep 2018 at 01:50 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

With his wife born 1438, it's more likely the 1454 birth year for Humphrey is incorrect (especially with his parents' marriage in 1424), making "fits better with the dates" less persuasive. I didn't see any primary sources anywhere. Did I miss them?



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