Richard Silvester I
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Richard Silvester I (abt. 1608 - 1663)

Richard Silvester I
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 1632 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 55 in Scituate, Plymouth Colonymap
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Richard Silvester I migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See Great Migration Begins, by R. C. Anderson, Vol. 3, p. 1677)
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Biography

Richard Sylvester asked to become a freeman of Massachusetts Bay Colony on 19 October 1630.[1] Given this, he may have come to New England on the Mary and John, arriving on 30 May 1630 with Rev. John White from Dorchester, Dorset and most of them settled in Dorchester, Massachusetts. Richard had intended to settle in Dorchester but changed his mind. On 16 January 1636/7 the Town of Dorchester ordered that “Mr. Joanes shall have 20 acres of upland for a great lot [which] he had p'missed him for that...was Silvesters.”[2]

Richard was granted a Great Lot of 24 acres in Weymouth in 1636. "At a meeting in the town of Weymouth the 12th of June voted That for the great Lotts Wee should lott unto every compleat person [householder] six and unto every halfe passenger under twelve years of age to have three to the head. By all freeman here present whose names are underwritten, and the place to begin is at the lower end of the ffresh Pond [Whitman’s Pond] and to run eighty four Rodd eitherwards to the great plantation lotts.[3]

On 5 March 1638/9 “Ricrd Silvester was fined 12s. for selling strong water, which he paid into the Court”.[4]

On 13 March 1638/9 “Ricrd Silvester, for going wth Smyth to get hands to a blanke, was disfranchised & fined £2”. The blank/petition was circulated by John Smith “ofr disturbing the publike peace by combineing wth others to hinder the orderly gathering of a church at Waymoth & to set up another there, contrary to the orders heare established & the constant practice of all our churches & for the undewe pcureing the hands of many to a blank for that purpose”. John was fined £20.

According to Samuel Deane,[5] "We find that he gained an unfortunate notoriety, by espousing certain religious sentiments, to liberal for the age in which he lived. Mr. Robert Lentha, minister at Weymouth, advanced the sentiment, 'That all baptized persons should be admitted to the Communion without further trial.' This was a heresy to be noticed by the government, and he was orderd to retract in presence of the General Court; with which order he complied. Richard Sylvester, who held the same communion, adhered to it, and in consquence was fined and disinfranchised by the government."

On 4 June 1639 “Richrd Silvester, for speaking against the law about hogs, & against a perticuler magistrate, was fined ten pounds”. On 3 Sept. “£6 of his fine respited upon his good behaviour & he paid in the other £6”.[6] Richard is said to have been a hog reeve for Weymouth several years later.[7]

Richard was granted his freeman status in Massachusetts Bay Colony 1 April 1634.[8] He then applied to be a freeman of Plymouth Colony on 5 June 1651[9] and is on a list of those who took the oath of fidelity in Marshfield in 1657.[10]

On 28 September 1640 Richard sold to John Fussell his six-acre lot in Weymouth. "28:11:1640 Richard Silvester of Waymouth granted unto John fussell all his home lotte containing six acrs more or lesse scituate in waymouth: together wth the howsinge standing theron, in consideration of threescore pownds in hand payed and this was by bill of Sale dated: 28: of the: 7mo: 1640."[11]

The Sylvesters had a servant named Mary Lane, who was to serve them for four years starting in March 1640/1. However, Edward Poole of Weymouth was “desirous to marry her & to buy out her time of service and promised to pay unto the said Richard Silvester for the same two hundred foot of boards and foure pounds in money or such good commodities as he should like of upon Midsomer eve next & then the said Pole was to take her away & marry her”.[12] The marriage didn't take place.

In 1643 he owned three pieces of land in Weymouth, “twenty and six acres upon the Wester Neck, fowereene of them first given to himselfe and twelve to John Upham bounded… with a high waie the comon… the land of Wm Reade… the land of John Rogers… ffower acres first given to himselfe above the mill bounded… with Hingam line… land of John Rogers… land of Mr. Torrey… land of Walter Harris… two acres of salt marsh first given to himselfe bounded with Mr Jeners land… John Allines… the River… the comon”.[13]

In early September 1642, John Winthrop noted this in his journal: "here fell out a very sad accident at Weymouth. One Richard Sylvester having three small children, he and his wife going to the assembly upon the Lord's day, left them at home. The oldest was without doors looking to some cattle. The middlemost, being a son of about five years old, seeing his father's fowling piece stand in the chimney, took it and laid it upon a stool as he had seen his father do, and pulled up the cock, the spring being weak, and put down the hammer, then went to the other end, and blowed in the mouth of the piece, as he had seen his father also do, and with that, stirring the piece, it went off and shot the child into the mouth and through his head. When the father came home, he found his child dead; the youngest child (being but three years old) showed the whole manner of it."[14] The son who died was Peter, who was buried in Weymouth on 13 August 1642.[15]

In 1650 Richard and Naomi sold their farm in Weymouth to John Holbrook and moved to Marshfield in the Plymouth Colony. They were one of twenty two families looking for religious freedom from the Puritans in the Plymouth Colony and applied to the General Court at Plymouth 5 June 1651 to move there. Richard’s new home was on a tract of land known as “The Two Miles” in the northwest corner of Marshfield.[7] His children were baptized in the South Parish church in Scituate. This parish later became the Town of Norwell and joined the northern part of Marshfield. While it may have been more convenient for them to go to that church, it may that Richard had issues with the Marshfield church given his earlier religious controversy.

“Emline” Silvester the wife of Richard Silvester now of Marshfield acknowledged before the Committee to End Small Causes in Waymouth that “in Consideration of the sume of threescore pound before hand payd to her sd husband she did give Consent to the selling of one howse a garden & orchard twenty nyne Acres of Arable lande be it more or les to gether with two Acors of Salt marsh more or les wth also such Commons Accomodation… beinge in waymouth afore sd unto John Holbrooke of the sd waymouth & did hereby give up all her right tytle & intrest which by law appertained unto her & in any pt or pcell of the Prmises to the sd John Holbrooke & his heirs for ever… the 15th day of Sept 1651 in the Prsence of Wm Torrey, John Whitman, Thomas Dyer Comission
The marke X of Emline Silvester"[7]

“Emline” seems to be a clerical error as there is no other evidence that Richard had a wife by that name, besides he had a daughter named Naomi born before this date which would suggest that he was married to Naomi before 1651.

In Marshfield, Richard was approved by the General Court to be a surveyor of highways on 6 June 1654 and a constable on 8 June 1655.[16]

In March 1660/1 Richard’s daughter Dinah, age 18, was in court at Plymouth charged with accusing the wife of William Holmes of witchcraft. Dinah retracted her accusation and apologized and paid the costs of court.[7]

On 1 October 1661 “Richard Silvester, in the behalf of his daughter, and Dinah Silvester, in the behalf of herself, complained against John Palmer Jr...for acting fraudulently against the said Dinah, in not performing his engagement to her in point of marriage”. And on 3 July 1667 “Dinah Silvester for committing fornication was fined ten pounds.” On 1 June 1669 Elkanah Johnson was summoned to court “in reference unto a child laid unto him by Dinah Silvester.”[17]

Estate Probate

Richard's will:[18]

"I Richard Silvester of Marshfield… do make this my last will and testament…

Imps I give and bequeath unto my son John Ten pounds to bee paid him three years after my decease.

Item I give unto my son Joseph fiftyshillings to be paid unto him three years after my decease.

Item I give unto my son Israell fifty shillings to be paid unto him three years after my decease.

Item. I give unto my son Richard five pounds to bee payed unto him when he comes to the age of one and twenty yeares.

Item I give unto my son Benjamin five pounds when he comes to the age of one and twenty years.

Item I give unto my daughter Lydia fifty shillings to be payed unto her three years after my decease.

Item I give unto my dauaghter Dinah fifteen pounds which is owning my from Daniel Bacon as appears by a bill under his hand.

Item I give unto my daughter Elizabeth five pounds to be payed unto her three years after my decease.

Item I give unto my daughter Naomy five pounds to be payed unto her when she comes to the age of one and twenty yeares or att her day of marriage: att which of those times comes first.

It I give unto my daughter Hester five pounds to bee payed unto her when she comes to the age of one and twenty yeares or att her day of marriage…

And if any of my children die before they come to enjoy their legacye then my will is the legacye of the deceased shal bee equally divided betwixt my sons Richard and Benjamin and if either of them doe die before he comes to enjoy his legacye then my will is that the Survivor of them two shall have the others portion and if they two doe both of them die before they come to enjoy their portions then it is my will that their portions be equally divided among all my children:

And I do hereby constitute… Naomy my loving wife to bee sole executrix… all the rest of my goods and chattels not given and bequeathed I doe give unto my wife together with all my lands as long as she remains a widdow. But if Providence doe soe dispose of her that shee do marry again after my decease then my will is that she shall have but only five pounds of my estate and the rest of my estate that is then in her hands at the time of her marriage shall be equally divided amongst all my children that shall then be alive.

And for the full settlement of my lands my will is that after my wifes decease or att the day and time of her marriage I do give it all unto my son John… and att the time of his entry upon the said lands my will is that he shall pay five pounds to my son Richard and likewise five pounds to my son Benjamin but if my son John doe die without any heires then my will is that my son Joseph shall have all my land to him and his heirs forever: and at the time of his entry upon the land: he shall pay five pounds to my son Richard and five pounds to my son Benjamin moreover if my wife in the time of her widowhood have need to build any house or housing upon my own land: then my will is that my son John shalbee at one half the Charge of the building upon consideration that hee is to enjoy it after my wife.

Memorandum I give and bequeath unto my daughter Charitie five pounds to be paid unto her three years after my decease or att day of marriage or which of those times comes first… the fifteenth day of June… 1663
The X mark of
Richard Silvester
In presence of
The X marke of
John Hammond
James Torrey Senr.

Richard's estate inventory:[18]

A true inventory of the goods and chattels of Richard Silvester of Marshfield deceased the 27 of September 1663

Item wearing apparell.....................................08-09-00
Item 1 mare......................................................09-00-00
Item neat cattle................................................76-10-00
Item hay............................................................19-10-00
Item wheat in the barne..................................07-04-00
Item Rye in the barne......................................06-00-00
Item gease........................................................01-01-06
Item old corne in the house...........................00-19-06
Item Indian corn on the ground.....................08-15-00
Item hemp and flax.........................................01-10-00
Item Swine........................................................07-08-00
Item Bees..........................................................05-02-00
Item Bee hives..................................................00-12-00
Item honey........................................................02-03-00
Item Bees wax..................................................00-14-00
Item by a bill from Daniel Bacon....................15-00-00
Item due from harding of Weymouth...........02-06-00
Item 4 beds 6 bolsters & 2 pillows.................06-12-00
Item 4 rugges 1 Coverlid and 2 blankets......06-14-00
Item 4 bedsteads.............................................00-19-00
Item Curtains....................................................00-08-00
Item 9 pillow coates.........................................01-05-00
Item 9 pair of sheets........................................06-01-00
Item 1 shirt........................................................00-10-00
Item 4 table clothes.........................................00-16-00
Item towels and Napkins................................00-06-03
Item feathers....................................................00-04-00
Item a winnowing sheet & corn sackes.........02-01-00
Item Seives........................................................00-03-06
Item meal..........................................................01-00-00
Item mault........................................................00-02-06
Item axes and other edge tooles...................00-13-06
Item 2 Cannooes and a halfe.........................02-00-00
Item Cooper stuffe...........................................02-10-00
Item a grind stone............................................00-12-00
Item boards and slabs.....................................01-18-00
Item 2 Carts & one pair of wheels.................02-00-00
Item 8 Iron ware hoopes axes nailes linkpins
chaines (hayhookes fetters peakes cartrope and
plow...................................................................04-01-00
Item 4 Iron wedges & two beetles ringes.....07-06-00
Item hoes shovels forkes and rakes..............01-00-00
Item a wheelbarrow........................................00-04-00
Item axxles........................................................00-12-06
Item a cheese presse and hadder.................00-04-06
Item Tobacco....................................................01-10-00
Item 4 Spinning wheels...................................00-13-06
Item cards.........................................................00-05-00
Item 1 bridle Saddle and pommel.................01-03-00
Item a gridiron a spit frying pan fier shovel tonges
trammels and bellowes...................................01-03-00
Item a pestle morter & hatchel......................00-12-00
Item Iron potts and kettles .............................02-10-00
Item brazen & copper vessels & Iron Candle-
sticks..................................................................02-17-00
Item pewter and spoons & latten vessels.....02-00-06
Item a cupboard & wooden platter...............01-01-00
Item onions salt and flax seed.......................01-11-06
Item Cotton linnine & woolen yarne.............02-07-04
Item 4 shifts......................................................01-06-00
Item a barrell of meal......................................01-05-00
Item 2 Smoothing irons...................................00-04-00
Item 2 beer barrels a firkin & butter.............00-13-00
Item 2 powder hornes & smale Iron tooles..01-01-04
Item Cheese......................................................01-00-00
Item Hogsheads barrels and other wooden
vessels...............................................................02-08-06
Item Old Iron....................................................00-05-00
Item Wooden vessels earthen vessels &
brushe...............................................................02-04-06
Item Table forme Chaires and Cuhon...........00-15-06
....................................................................... £244-05-11

Thomas Kinge, James Torrey, John Cushen"

On 5 October 1663 Naomi petitioned the court to obtain a larger part of the estate than he had given her:

"Memorand: that the Court doe consider of the condition of Naomy Silvester, widdow, her deceased husband having by his last will and testament left, in an absolute way, but a smale, inconsiderable p’te of his estate unto her; that the Court take some prudent course that shee bee considered with that wch may bee thought convenient in that respect, shee having approved herselfe, as appeers by the testimony of some of her naighbours, to bee a frugall and laborious woman in the procuring of the said estate."

The court agreed with her neighbors and gave her a larger portion.[19]

On 31 October 1666, Edward and Lydia Wright complained that Naomi Silvester, executrix of Richard Silvester, deceased, unjustly detained cattle and other goods delivered to Richard and Naomi for the behoof of their daughter Lydia valued at £50. The jury found in favor of Edward and Lydia and awarded them £10, 10 shillings.[7] On the same day William Ford, constable of Marshfield, complained against John Silvester and Naomy and Dinah Silvester his sisters in an action of the case to the damage of £100 for molesting and abusing him in the execution of his office by rescuing Naomi their mother, out of his hands, who were then arrested by him.[7]

"An inventory of the estate of the widdow Silvester lately taken and appraised by us whose names are underwritten the 26th of November 1668…

Impr in neat Cattle...........................................21 19 00
Item in a mare and Coult of two years old....06 00 00
Item in Swine....................................................01 08 00
Item in hay.........................................................08 10 00
Item Rye in the barne......................................03 15 00
Item Rye on the ground...................................01 08 00
Item Indian Corne............................................03 00 00
Item Beding and that which belongeth to it.10 00 00
Item 6 paire of sheets and other linnine.......04 00 00
Item Chistes & 1 bedstead 1 cubbord...........01 19 00
Item in pewter...................................................01 11 00
Item 1 copper Kettle.........................................01 00 00
Item 1 warming pan and other brasse..........00 15 00
Item 3 Iron potts & pothooks & Iron kettle...02 00 00
Item 1 Spitt 1 frying pan and an Iron Trammell.00 11 06
Item 1 pestell & morter 2 Smoothing Irons..00 08 00
Item 700 and halfe of nailes............................00 07 06
Item for meat in the house.............................03 14 00
Item hemp and flax and flaxen yearn............02 05 00
Item cotton woole and cotton yearne...........00 10 04
Item tooles 4 axes 3 Iron wedges 1 hand saw.00 12 10
Item 1 mattock 1 dungfork 1 hoe 2 Beetlerings.00 08 00
Item 3 Chaines one Coler & one pair of hookes 2
pitchforkes........................................................00 05 00
Item 8 Iron hoopes...........................................01 00 00
Item 1 plow and Irons to it Irons of a yoke...00 08 00
Item 1 grandstone and Crank.........................00 04 00
Item 1 Collor & tracyes and a cartrope..........00 14 00
Item 1 tubb 1 peck 3 pailes 2 keelers 1 Table.00 16 00
Item 1 hetchell..................................................00 05 00
Item Spinning wheels & Cards........................00 11 00
Item baggs.........................................................00 12 00
Item bees and beehives...................................01 05 00
Item boards.......................................................00 07 00
Item Lumber.....................................................01 17 00
Item debts due to the estate..........................01 18 06
Item 3 Chaines and one paire of hookes......00 19 06
............................................................................87 04 02

John Cushen, Robert Stetson"[20]

Children

  1. Lydia, b. 8 Dec. 1633, Weymouth, m. 1. 4 Sept. 1652 Scituate, Nathaniel Rawlins (d. 23 Dec. 1662 Scituate), 2. 25 May 1664, Scituate, Edward Wright.
  2. John, b. 14 Mar. 1634/5, Weymouth, m. before 1660 Sarah ______.
  3. Peter, b. abt. 1637, bur. 13 (not 30) Aug. 1642, Weymouth. Died from an accidental shooting.
  4. Joseph, b. 12 Apr. 1638, Weymouth, m. by 1664 Mary Barstow, d. abt. 1715, Scituate.
  5. Israel, b. abt. 1640, m. before 1674 Martha _____, d. 25 Mar. 1727, Scituate.
  6. Dinah, b. 2 Apr. 1642, Weymouth, living 8 Dec. 1673.
  7. Elizabeth, b. 23 Jan. 1643/4, Weymouth, m. 24 Jan. 1658/9, Scituate, John Lovell.
  8. Charity, b. abt.1646, d. after 1 Sept. 1671.
  9. Naomi, bp. 14 Apr. 1650, Scituate, living 31 Oct. 1666.
  10. Richard, b. abt. 1650, d. July 1678, Hull.
  11. Hester, bp. 26 Mar. 1654, Scituate, living 29 Oct. 1670.
  12. Benjamin, bp. 17 May 1657, Scituate, m. before 1688 Mary Standlake, d. aft. 1733.

Research Notes

Disputed Parents

R. C. Anderson in his "Great Migration Begins" makes no mention of parents or the place of origin of Richard Silvester. There is a Nehemiah Sylvester attached as the father of this profile, which I will detach. FamilySearch (as of 8.6.2023) has Richard Silvester, born in 1608 in Keynsham, Somerset, died on 24 Sep 1663 in Scituate, Mass. Husband of Naomi Torrey, father of 13 listed children. Son of Nehemiah Silvester and Joan Bachiler.

Disputed Spouse

Naomi Torrey, the supposed daughter of Phillip Torrey (abt.1580-bef.1621) and Alice (Richards) Torrey (1581-1634) was attached as the wife of Richard Silvester. R. C. Anderson in his book, "Great Migration Begins" says his wife was named Naomi but her surname is unknown. Albert Henry Sylvester in his NEHGR article says, that Savage in his "Genealogical Dictionary" thought Richard Silvester married Naomi Torrey; however, no record of this marriage has been found. Torrey did have a granddaughter named Naomi, born December 3, 1641.

Disputed Son, Richard born in Virginia

Previously a son, Richard Silvester (abt.1648-bef.1729), was attached to this profile as Richard's son. While Richard did have a son, Richard, he died unmarried in Hull, about July 1678; as a result, the incorrect son Richard Silvester (abt.1648-bef.1729) has been detached.

Sources

  1. Records of the Governor and Company of the Massachusetts Bay, vol. 1 (Boston, MA: 1853), 80.
  2. Dorchester Town Records (Boston, MA: Rockwell & Churchill, 1896), 22
  3. George Walter Chamberlain, History of Weymouth, Massachusetts, vol. 1 (Boston: Weymouth Historical Society, 1923), 199 [1].
  4. Records of the Governor and Company of the Massachusetts Bay, 1:249.
  5. Samuel Deane, History of Scituate, Massachusetts, from its First Settlement to 1831 (Boston: James Loring), 347-48.
  6. Records of the Governor and Company of the Massachusetts Bay, 1:265, 270.
  7. 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5 Albert Henry Silvester, "Richard Silvester of Weymouth and Some of his Descendants," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, vol. 85 (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1931), 247-56 $ [2]
  8. Records of the Governor and Company of the Massachusetts Bay, 1:368
  9. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, vol. 2, Nathaniel Shurtleff, ed. (Boston, MA: William White, 1855), 167 [3].
  10. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, vol. 8, Nathaniel Shurtleff, ed. (Boston, MA: William White, 1857), 178 [4].
  11. Suffolk Deeds vol. 1 (Boston, MA: Rockwell & Churchill, 1880), unpaginated, reference to ms. p. 16 [5].
  12. Note-book Kept by Thomas Lechford, Edward Hale Jr., ed. (Cambridge, MA: J. Wilson & Son, 1885), 391 [6].
  13. History of Weymouth, Massachusetts, 1:191.
  14. Winthrop's Journal : "History of New England", 1630-1649, vol. 2 (New York: Charles Scribner & Sons, 1908), 72 [7].
  15. "Massachusetts, U.S., Town and Vital Records, 1620-1988," Ancestry.com database online (Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011), Boston>Transcript of County Records, 1643-1660>Vol. 1, Births, Marriages Deaths from 1630-1666 $ [8]. This is the only record of his burial. It was transcribed into the Weymouth town records in the 19th century and then into the published records, but with an erroneous day - 30 August instead of 13.
  16. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, vol. 3 (1855), 50, 78.
  17. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, vol. 4 (1855), 162; vol. 5 (1856), 22; vol. 7 (1857), 101.
  18. 18.0 18.1 Plymouth Colony Records, wills, vol. 2, part 2, p. 7. FamilySearch image database online (FHL film 567794), [9].
  19. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, 4:46.
  20. Plymouth Colony Probate Records- Vol. II, pt. 2, fol. 51

See also:

  • "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97M-B9PR?cc=2061550&wc=Q4D7-RMP%3A353350501%2C1006064501%2C1006064801 : 20 May 2014), Norfolk > Weymouth > Land records 1642-1644 > image 16 of 26; town clerk offices, Massachusetts. (Description of Richard Sylvester's land holdings in Weymouth proprietors' record book.)
  • Anderson, Robert Charles The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620 to 1633 (1995) vol 3, pp. 1677-81. Article on Richard Silvester- American Ancestors (subscription)
  • Silvester, Albert Henry. "Richard Silvester of Weymouth and Some of His Descendants," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 85 (1931); pp. 247 - 265.American Ancestors (subscription)
  • A Historical Sketch of Hanover, Mass., with Family Genealogies, John S. Barry, (Boston: Samuel Drake), 400-01.




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The proposed merge with Silvester-749 is prolematic in that there is a son Richard, born in Virginia, who obviously is not the son of Richard of Plymouth Colony. If the merge is completed, the son (Richard Silvester (abt.1648-bef.1729)) will need to be disconnected.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
The proposed merge with Silvester-592 is prolematic in that there is a son Richard, born in Virginia, who obviously is not the son of Richard of Plymouth Colony. If the merge is completed, the son (Richard Silvester (abt.1648-bef.1729)) will need to be disconnected.
posted on Silvester-749 (merged) by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
edited by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Silvester-749 and Silvester-592 appear to represent the same person because: See https://books.google.com/books?id=3koWAAAAYAAJ p 324. Richard had a son Richard m Hannah Leonard. Death dates for the father match. Spouse is named as Naomi Torrey. James Torrey witnessed the will of Richard Silvester.

U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Says Richard Silvester b 1607 ,Naomi Torrey b 1612 , m 1632 in MA. Though it has never been proven, circumstantial evidence is overwhelming that Naomi, born about 1612, was the daughter of Philip and Alice (Richards) Torrey of Comb St. Nicholas, Somerset, and a sister of the three Torrey brothers who arrived at Weymouth in 1640. The two families were close at Weymouth: it was there, Captain William Torrey named a daughter, Naomi; Lt. James Torrey later accompanied Richard Silvester and his family to Scituate, was a witness to Richard's Will and the Silvester and Torrey families intermarried.

posted by Cindy (Brown) Croxton
I did major rearranging and rewriting here yesterday and today, so I'll give a summary of what I did. Rearranging for chronology sake mostly. Rewriting to make the narrative and the children list less casual and abbreviated, including some very casual commentary sprinkled throughout the text that didn't belong there. I also corrected some material based on primary sources, changed out secondary sources for primary sources, reformatted most of the sources and added some web links. There's more that could be done here, but my mojo ran out.
posted on Silvester-749 (merged) by Doug Sinclair
I think this should be merged into Silvester-749. Same story, same (disputed) wife, same children
posted by Dwyne Patrick
This entire family in Scituate, at least, up to about the mid 1700s should have their surname spelled "Silvester." This was the prevailing spelling by far by the family and those referring to them. There were occasional instances of "Sylvester," such as the 2nd Church of Scituate minister in some of his baptism records, but "Silvester" should be given preference since that's what the family used when they could write, from what I've seen. There was no sudden start to the use of "Sylvester" more widely. It happened gradually in the mid 1700s and gained more traction as the century closed.
posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by Doug Sinclair
edited by Doug Sinclair
In Biography 1 there is this statement: "His wife's name is given in Savage, but this has been questioned; see Frederic C. Torrey, The Torrey Families and Their Children in American, 1.342-44; he gives Naomi Torrey's husband as John Lowell and argues that Savage is mistaken." Were there 2 John Lowell's who married a Torrey? "Early New England Marriages Prior to 1700" by Clarence Almon Torrey pg. 476, shows John Lowell married to Elizabeth Silvester 24 Jan 1658 . https://books.google.com/books?id=mOgK8dM9qqUC&printsec=frontcover#v=snippet&q=Silvester&f=false Also

There is mention in "The History of Lewiston, Maine" Richard Silvester and Naomi (Torrey) Silvester had several children. Among them were a daughter Elizabeth who married John Lowell in 1658 and died soon after (1666). Daughter Naomi Silvester also married John Lowell. This is shown in an image at "Maine Vital Records, 1670-1921," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q21S-9WLT : 22 July 2021), Richard Silvester and Naomi Torrey, 1630; citing Lewiston, Androscoggin, Maine, United States, multiple sources, Maine; FHL microfilm. It seems like Frederic C. Torrey may have confused Richard Silvester's wife Naomi Torrey with their daughter Naomi Silvester, who married John Lowell. There is a definite marriage record for John Lowell and Elzabeth Silvester 24 Jan 1658/9 in Scituate, Massachusetts. "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FHHY-RT5 : 20 May 2022), John Lowell, 24 Jan 1658; citing Marriage, Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts Bay Colony, British Colonial America, Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth, Boston; FHL microfilm 007009271. It seems a combination of many things point to Richard Silvester's wife Naomi being Naomi Torrey.

posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by Faylene Bailey
edited by Faylene Bailey
Hi Faylene,

Thank you for your comments and digging.

The duplicate biographies are problematic and should be address.

Anderson called his wife Naomi _____.. His article is extensive.

Anderson has an entry for the daughter, Naomi, but he does not report continuing information.

I have worked with the source you cite, "Maine Vital Record"--which seem more genealogies, and we would have. to drill down to identify the original records and analysis on which those conclusions were based.

I suspect that to otherwise prove the identifies of either Naomi, would require a further review of wills, deeds, possibly court records.

Now, WikiTree is a great work space to keep track of that work. I frequently create and attach space pages on which I can gather, over time, the different records and opinions.

That might be a way to advance your important work.--Gene

Reference--Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., paginated continuously (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995), 1677-1681 (Richard Silvester); digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.

posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by GeneJ X
Thak you Gene. I do find it odd that the Maine Vital Records have an attached page from a book instead of a document. They use the same to reference Richard Silvester and Naomi Torrey as parents in the marriage of daughter Elizabeth Silvester to John Lowell. I did find yet another genealogy that explains 2 different John Lowell/Lovewell's One married to Elizabeth Silvester. http://www.nh.searchroots.com/HillsboroughCo/Merrimack/familytrees7.html

I guess Richard Silvester's wife Naomi's surname will remain a mystery for now. Richard and Naomi are my 8x gr. grandparents through their son Israel.

posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by Faylene Bailey
edited by Faylene Bailey
Please note #2 under disputed origins.

Will someone (PMs?) please act on this if you agree that Richard Silvester's wife should be Unknown instead of Torrey?

Thank you.

posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
I've left notes in profiles Nehemiah Sylvester-661 and this profile, Richard Sylvester-19 saying that the two are to be detached as father and son.

Since there has been no reaction from PMs from Joe's comment below, I will proceed and detach.

posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
Anderson has his parents and origins as Unknown. Father should be disconnected and the profile PP until a better source is provided.
posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by Joe Cochoit
Can we please remove the "Sylvester" spelling of this name for this generation? In all the records I've seen the spelling has been "Silvester" for the first three generations. Use of "Sylvester" didn't appear until the fourth generation.
posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by [Living Sylvester]
Where is the source for adding Nehemiah as father? The link to geni .com doesn't give any source other than a link to myheritage .com which I can't get into unless I subscribe yet from my own experience myheritage is user-submitted material often sourceless. Does someone here have a subscription to that site to check for primary sources? The link to familysearch .org doesn't mention anyone named Nehemiah.
posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by [Living Sylvester]
In the remarks about gun safety I don't see quotation marks around the part of it that came from the old records. Would someone please clarify?
posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by [Living Sylvester]
I am new and not sure if this appropriate, but will enter it here. On Family Search I found this statement:

"Richard Silvester had eleven children born over a twenty-three year period in the Massachusetts Bay and Plymouth Colonies. For reasons detailed elsewhere, we discount a twelfth child, Charity, added in 1931 by SILVESTER on the basis of his reading of Richard's will (NEHGR 85:253). The wording and construction of the Will, among other factors, lead us to believe that "Chatie" was a ward of some sort. That she was witness to a Braintree deed in 1671 adds nothing to the case for inclusion as a child of Richard and Naomi."

Unfortunately I didn't paste the webpage into my source. I have searched for a birth record for Charity and haven't yet found one.

posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by [Living Shunk]
I have several DNA matches that have Richard Sylvester and Naomi Torrey in their trees. Hopefully I will be able to connect my Grandfather Frank Silvester at some point.

Thanks for all your work! Kaylene Silvester

posted on Sylvester-19 (merged) by Kaylene Silvester

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