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Edward Bird Sizemore Sr. (abt. 1778 - 1855)

Edward Bird "Ned, Blue Bird" Sizemore Sr.
Born about in Shenandoah, Virginia, United Statesmap
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married 1797 in Hawkins, Tennesseemap
Husband of — married 1808 in Kentucky, USAmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 77 in Perry, Kentucky, United Statesmap
Profile last modified | Created 10 Mar 2011
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Disambiguation: This Edward is not the same as Edward B. Sizemore (1788-1866) of Ashe, North Carolina (son of a different George Sizemore) and who later settled in West Virginia.

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Biography

The Life Summary of Edward

When Edward Sizemore was born (7th child)in 1778, in Shenandoah Valley, Shenandoah, Virginia, United States,[citation needed] his father, George Sizemore, was 28 and his mother, Agnes Cornett (?) Shepherd (?), was 28. He married Louanna (Lucinda) Bowling in 1796, in Hawkins, Tennessee, United States. They were the parents of at least 8 sons and 6 daughters. He lived in Clay, Kentucky, United States for about 10 years. He died on 27 May 1855 or 1856, in Perry, Kentucky, United States, at the age of 78.[1]

Birth

There are several claims about where and when Edward was born; we seek reliable sources for each of them

Parents

That Edward Sizemore (1778-1856) was son of George Sizemore and Agnes (1750-1839) is supported by Edward's death record which names them.[1] On the same page is Edward's sister Winnie (Winifred) who had married a Begly. (1750–1822)

Edward is said by some,[citation needed] to have been half Cherokee Indian. If that were true, one of his parents would have had to have been full-blood.

Wife and Family

  1. Martha Patty Fields (1782 – 1877) [citation needed]
  2. Lucinda Louannah Bowling (1780 – 1820)[citation needed]

Death

27 November 1855 Perry County, Kentucky of apoplexy (stroke)[1]

Residence

In 1807, he was listed on the Clay Co., Ky Tax List.[citation needed]

In 1810, Edward was enumerated in Clay County, Kentucky.[2] On the same page is a John Sizemore.

In 1811, he was listed on the Clay Co., Ky Tax List.[citation needed]

In 1820, Edward was still in Clay County, Kentucky.[3]

In 1840, he should be in Perry County, but he is not listed as a head of household there.[4]

In 1850, Edward was enumerated without a last name just after his son-in-law Benjamin Grigsby and daughter Winifred in household #135, page 424, image 639 of 661[5]


Research Notes

Two children born in Tennessee 1795-1796; one child unknown birth 1798; Four children born Virginia 1799-1803; Six children born in Clay County, Kentucky (1805-1816).[citation needed]

See the Find-A-Grave link below for photographs of a Ned Sizemore and an Owen Sizemore (who may or may not be this Ned Sizemore as photography was not in common use until far later).

The Find-a-Grave memorials, for at least his parents, are highly unreliable and conflating multiple people in one memorial. Use with caution.

One source[citation needed] shows him having a brother named Owen and another brother Reverend George J. Sizemore

That source is likely confusing him with another George Sizemore family in North Carolina (not Kentucky).

The Find-A-Grave memorial appears to have conflated two Edwards; it has Edward married to Annie B. Baldwin 1786 – and a son Owen O. Sizemore 1829 – 1902. This appears to be for a different Edward Sizemore.

It also has spouse Martha Patty Fields 1782 – wit a child Isaac Newton Sizemore 1808 – He did live 35 more years after death of Louanna.

And a spouse Lucinda Louannah Bolling (Bowling) 1780 – 1820 with children: Ephraim Sizemore – 1858; Elizabeth Sizemore 1798 – ; William Sizemore 1798 – Lewis Sizemore 1799 – ; Winnie Sizemore 1801 – ; Henry Sizemore 1803 – 1850; Edward 'Slim Red' Sizemore 1804 – ; George Washington Sizemore 1805 – 1915 Nancy Sizemore 1806 – ; Susan 'Suz Anne' Sizemore 1807 – ; Sarah 'White Sally' Sizemore 1810 – ; Christopher 'Kit' Sizemore 1815 – ; Sylvania Sizemore 1816 –

Warning: Don Greene has included the Sizemore family in his highly fictional Shawnee Heritage Series, in particular, here. Use with high caution.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 Perry County Death records, LDS Film # 004255376, image 135 of 636; unindexed: Edward Sisemore, age 77, Male, Farmer, born in Virginia, son of George & Agnes Sisemore, died 27 November 1855 of Appoplexy https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9L1-WQJ5
  2. "United States Census, 1810," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH2S-R92 : accessed 7 February 2021), Edw Sizemore, Clay, Kentucky, United States; citing p. 151, NARA microfilm publication M252 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 9; FHL microfilm 181,354. (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBS-SMR2?i=3&cc=1803765&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AXH2S-R92)
  3. "United States Census, 1820," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHLH-HGM : accessed 7 February 2021), Edwd Sizemore, Clay, Kentucky, United States; citing p. 124, NARA microfilm publication M33, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 19; FHL microfilm 186,179. (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBM-8Q?i=14&cc=1803955&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AXHLH-HGM)
  4. Search results for S*more in Perry Co., Kentucky]
  5. "United States Census, 1850", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M65V-8VW : Tue Oct 03 09:32:10 UTC 2023), Entry for Nancy Ingle and Benjamine Grigsby, 1850.

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And the 1830 census cited is also clearly for a different, far younger Edward Sizemore.
posted by Jillaine Smith
In reviewing the sources on this page, I see that the 1850 census linked to is actually for a household consistent of EPHRAIM (not Edward) Sizemore, age 3 (!!) and Omie (38 female), George (34), Jackson (15), and Lew (12, female).

Relationships are not provided in this census, but it appears that Omie and George might be the parents, with Ephraim, Jackson and Lew as children? It is, admittedly, a strange enumeration example.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Seeking reliable sources for the identification of his wives and children. Can anyone here help? Many thanks.

Also seeking citations for the tax lists mentioned under Residences.

Thank you!

posted by Jillaine Smith
Edward in Clay Co., KY son of George "All" Sizemore.

Michele Centers: 2012: descendant and researcher

Edward "Ned" Sizemore, b.c. 1778, Shenandoah, Page Co., VA [per IGI]--d. 27 Nov. 1856, Clay Co., KY. m. Louanna Bolling, b. 1780--d.c. 1820, Perry Co., KY, dau. William and Sarah "Sally" (Fugate) Bolling.

1807 tax list, Clay Co., KY; 1810 census, Clay Co., KY; 1820 census, Clay Co., KY; 1850 census, Perry Co., KY.

posted by Lilly Martin
Can someone shoot me a message?
posted by Marlena Fryman
I've sent you a message; check your email.
posted by Jillaine Smith
according to census data Edward B. Sizemore was alive in 1860 living in Webster County, Virginia (now West Virginia) So the informant on Find A Grave was inaccurate. In addition Edward B. Sizemore and Anna Baldwin were the parents of George Sizemore husband of Mary "Polly" (Laxton), Nancy (Sizemore) wife of Daniel Perdew/Perdue, John Sizemore aka Rev John Sizemore husband of Virginia "Jennie" Jane (Arms), Mahala (Sizemore) wife of Abijah Baldwin, Sheba (Sizemore) wife of Jacob Brinegar, Virginia (Sizemore) wife of Joel Rose, Rebecca (Sizemore) wife of Thomas Muncy Cook, Owen B. Sizemore husband of Rhoda Baldwin, Lyddia (Sizemore) wife of David Smith, Sarah "Sally" (Sizemore) wife of Nathaniel Perdew, and Tobias Sizemore husband of 1) Lydia (Mitchell), 2) Louisa (Buchanan), 3) Samantha (Amos). There are multiple records that identify these are the known children of Edward B. Sizemore and Annie Baldwin. I have not identified any of record with primary or secondary information implying there was any other union for Edward B. Sizemore and Anna Baldwin. Nor have I found anything of the same value implying their children are different then what I stated above. Even though Tobias Sizemore died in 1906, he appears to possibly be the one who was the informant of information for several of the Sizemores. He basically knew who his parents were and who his grandparents were and knew the name of his great grandfather.
posted on Sizemore-1318 (merged) by Cindy (Sizemore) Hofmeister
Cindy, you comment from earlier this year appears to be about a different Edward Sizemore than the one profiled here. I think your comment is about this one:

Sizemore-84

posted by Jillaine Smith
Jillaine, at the time of my posting Edward B. Sizemore was attached to 1318. Individuals at the time were calling Edward Sizemore-1318 Edward B. Sizemore. They had Annie Baldwin as one of his wives, etc. I pointed the inaccurate data out. Since that time Edward Sizemore -1318 has a new name Edward Bird "Ned Blue Bird" Sizemore. With NO primary record showing this information. They also were merged since I made my original post. And no I did not do the merge.
I would not merge these two at this time further source cited documentation is needed
posted on Sizemore-1318 (merged) by Cindy (Sizemore) Hofmeister
We need to attend to the existence of multiple sons of George named Edward.

Sizemore-1318 and Sizemore-57 clearly suggest the same person despite the data differences. Note two of the three wives attached to 1318 that are the same as the wives of 57 (and also need merging). Not sure about the third wife on 1318. Alternatively, we detach 1318 from the wives a that match 57's wives (and merge them) to keep an Edward father of the children attached to 1318 (who do not appear as children of 57). However, how do we confirm which Edward was son of George "All" Sizemore?

posted by Jillaine Smith
We need to attend to the fact that there are multiple Edward profiles attached as son of Georgia.

Sizemore-1318 and Sizemore-57 clearly suggest the same person despite the data differences. Note two of the three wives attached to 1318 that are the same as the wives of 57 (and also need merging). Not sure about the third wife on 1318. Alternatively, we detach 1318 from the wives a that match 57's wives (and merge them) to keep an Edward father of the children attached to 1318 (who do not appear as children of 57). However, how do we confirm which Edward was son of George "All" Sizemore?

posted on Sizemore-1318 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
Sizemore-1318 and Sizemore-57 do not represent the same person because: Conflicting parents and children, along with birth and death place
posted by Steph Creamer
Sizemore-84 and Sizemore-57 are not ready to be merged because: Sizemore-84 and Sizemore-57 were born 10

Years apart. They died in different states. I will contact the Leslie County and Perry County, Kentucky Genealogical Societies, for clarification.

posted by Wesley Doughman
Is the information on Find A Grave site not proof enough?

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/70469334/edward-sizemore

Did you check all the SOURCES here?

posted by Janis (Joseph) Denison
edited by Janis (Joseph) Denison
Janis, that find a grave memorial is a "memorial only" profile, without sources. Burial location is unknown and the text even includes a request for knowledge about the location of the burial. It can't be relied upon as a source.
posted by Jillaine Smith
At least the memorial has links to family members & also has picture showing they do exist, just not where HE is buried. As I am no longer Profile Manager point in mute.
posted by Janis (Joseph) Denison
I placed the Headstone on Edward Ned Sizemore Grave in Perry Co. KY. Sent to me by Walter Sizemore! Thnaks
posted by James Sizemore
James, where did you place it? I don't see it on the find-a-grave memorial. Looking forward to seeing it.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Its at the Curt\Napier Cemetary in Perry Co. Ky.
posted by James Sizemore
Hi Jilliaine and everyone else. On that Find a Grave site for Edward "Bird" "Ned" Sizemore , Me and my Son and Grandson pictured are the ones that took the stone to his grave. That is his Gravesite. It was found by Walter Sizemore A Descendent of George All Sizemore and who has spent over 30 years in Clay Co. Ky. and surrounding Counties searching for the Older Sizemore Graves Thanks
posted by James Sizemore
Wesley,

Did you ever learn anything from the societies you mentioned above?

posted by Jillaine Smith
We also need to attend to this unmerged match (84 and 57).

57's narrative includes a third wife Anna Baldwin but she's not attached. She IS attached to 84.

However, there are two completely different sets of children.

I'm not as worried about the different death data because none of it is sourced.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Jillaine, Please see my post below for reasons why NOT to merge Sizemore 57 and Sizemore 84. To let you know, Sizemore 57 was never married to Annie Baldwin. This union is happening on here and on other online trees because data has been allowed to be merged. One can clearly see Sizemore 84 with his wife Anna living in 1850, and 1860 US census. in all reality she is with him in the 1810, 1820, 1830, and 1840 US census as well. However, is only listed as a hash mark. You will also see her be the informant of three of her children's deaths in 1853 in Wyoming County, Virginia (now West Virginia) This being John Sizemore, Mahala (Sizemore) Baldwin and Sheba (Sizemore) Brinegar. At the same time she list her husband as Edwd for one EB for another and just E for the other.
posted by Cindy (Sizemore) Hofmeister
edited by Cindy (Sizemore) Hofmeister
Returning to the Sizemore mess that continues here on Wikitree... I understand and agree that there were two different Edward Sizemores, but both of them are attached as son of George.

We know from an 1856 death record of one Edward Sizemore (presumably THIS Edward Sizemore-57?) was son of George and Agnes. (Can we confirm that the Edward Sizemore who died in 1856 was he with all these multiple wives?)

The profile of Edward Sizemore-84 (husband of Anna Baldwin) claims his father was George and "Anna Elizabeth Hart". What if any evidence supports that?

Many thanks.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Do NOT merge as these are two Edward Sizemores are two totally different people!!!

Sizemore 57 Perry County, Kentucky recorded death record implies he was born in circa 1778 in Shenandoah, Virginia. and died in 1856 Perry County, Kentucky. Sizemore 84 This Edward Sizemore according to 1860 Webster County, Virginia 1860 US federal census data was identified as Edward B Sizemore and as being born1788 in Grayson, Virginia. Clearly they are NOT the same person as one person can not be identified as deceased and then be alive 4 years later. It is noted also that Sizemore 84 is the only Edward of this time period who is documented as having the middle initial of 'B'. This is identified through daughter Mahala (Sizemore) Baldwins record death record where Edward's wife was the informant for the data, 1860 US census and logan county, Virginia Tax records.

Thank you, Cindy.

Since you appear to be most familiar with the sources that distinguish these two profiles, could you please make the required changes needed to make sure these two profiles correctly represent these two different individuals and then reject the merge?

Much appreciated.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Sizemore-84 and Sizemore-57 do not represent the same person because: From Cindy Hofmeister: Sizemore 57 Perry County, Kentucky recorded death record implies he was born in circa 1778 in Shenandoah, Virginia. and died in 1856 Perry County, Kentucky. Sizemore 84 This Edward Sizemore according to 1860 Webster County, Virginia 1860 US federal census data was identified as Edward B Sizemore and as being born1788 in Grayson, Virginia. Clearly they are NOT the same person as one person can not be identified as deceased and then be alive 4 years later. It is noted also that Sizemore 84 is the only Edward of this time period who is documented as having the middle initial of 'B'. This is identified through daughter Mahala (Sizemore) Baldwins record death record where Edward's wife was the informant for the data, 1860 US census and logan county, Virginia Tax records.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Sizemore-84 and Sizemore-57 appear to represent the same person because: Profiles of the same person. Proof of Mother as Agnes Cornett (1750–1839) & Annie B. Baldwin (1786) is one of his wives! check out the Sources.
posted by Janis (Joseph) Denison
Sizemore-57 and Sizemore-1118 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicate.
Sizemore-750 and Sizemore-57 appear to represent the same person because: clear duplicate
posted by Anne Baker
There is no connection to the Cherokee. The DNA reference suggests Native Americans from southeast Virginia.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Various Sizemores have tested Native American as Q1 and Q3. Reference:

http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html

posted by [Living Mullins]
There is no evidence that Ned Sizemore, his wife, or his children were Cherokee. So many Dawes and Eastern Cherokee applications were filed based on this ancestry that the reason for rejection written on many of the claims was just "Sizemore case." For the government report on the claims and the reasons for the rejections, see the Eastern Cherokee application of Frances Ella Plummer, p. 10. It is possible that over the years some of his descendants married Native Americans, but there are no names and no documentation of any Cherokee relationships.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Hello Kathie, This may be the wrong site to make this request and i apologize if it is, but I have a GED Match " T131450" with Joe. B. Parks a enrolled Cherokee that shows we share the same MRCA at about 4 Generations. Can you shed some light or help me on this. It it could to be from my Mothers side. She was a Barrett before marriage. And the only other side would be the Fields Side. Pollie Sisemore is the Mother of John Jackson Sizemore his Father is this Edward Bird Sizemore. I have no idea what Pollie Sisemore maiden name is but i have a strong feeling that it is Fields or Jackson. I also agree that the Sizemore's are not Historically Cherokee but i do believe that some married into Cherokee Families although no proof has ever been provided. Many Thanks!! James Sizemore
posted by James Sizemore

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