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John Smith Sr. (abt. 1605 - bef. 1649)

John "The Miller" Smith Sr. [uncertain]
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 1618 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Father of
Died before before about age 44 in Providence, Providence, Rhode Islandmap
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The Puritan Great Migration.
John Smith Sr. migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See The Great Migration (Series 2), by R. C. Anderson, vol. 6, p. 387)
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Note: He is distinct from John Smith, quartermaster, who also lived in Dorchester. All Dorchester records pertaining to John Smith relate to the quartermaster.

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Biography

John Smith, miller, was born about 1605 based on his date of marriage to Alice ______.[1] "(I) John Smith, immigrant ancestor and founder, was a native of England. He came first to Dorchester, Mass., where, however, he soon fell under the displeasure of the Puritan authorities because of his religious views. On September 3, 1635, it was ordered by the General Court of Massachusetts 'that John Smith shall be sent within these six weeks out of this jurisdiction, for divers dangerous opinions which he holdeth and hath divulged, if in the meantime he removes not himself out of this plantation.' In 1636 Roger Williams and John Smith and four others came to Providence and made the first settlement there.[2]John Smith was one of the most prominent figures in the year's decades of the history of Providence. In 1641 he held the office of town clerk. On March 1, 1646, an agreement was made at the monthly court that he should have the valley wherein his house stood in consideration for which he was to set up a mill. It was also agreed that no other mill would be permitted in Providence. In 1647 twenty-two acres were laid out to him, a portion for the mill, and at the time of his death he was in possession of one hundred and fifty acres. He was one of the most prosperous men of the community, which fact is evidenced by the tax list. On September 2, 1650, his widow, Alice, was taxed two pounds and ten shillings."

Banished from Dorchester, Massachusetts with Roger Williams and four others. First white settlers in Rhode Island in spring/summer 1636.[3]

Roger Williams wrote to Governor John Winthrop 16 Apr 1638 and said this about John Smith:[4]
"it is and every shall be (the Lord assisting) my endeavor to pacify and ally where I meet with rigid and censorious spirits who not only blame your actions but doom your persons, and indeed it was one of the first grounds of my dislike of John Smith the miller and especially of his wife, viz: their judging of your persons as devils etc."[5]
While one of the first settlers of Providence, his name was excluded from later town foundation documents.[6]

He died after 1647 when he was granted land, and before 10 May 1649, when his wife was called widow.

After he died, his widow and son, John, made provisions with the town to continue the operation of the mill. There was some controversy about this because Roger Williams himself beseeched the town of Providence to put an end to the controversy.[7]

Occupation

Grist miller

Children

  1. John Smith, Jr.

Anderson points out that some have attributed him a daughter, Elizabeth, who married Shadrach Manton, but makes the case against this relationship.[8]

Research Notes

Anderson, in The Great Migration, says that John Smith's origins are unknown. No sources have been provided to show that he was a son of John Smith (1574-1674) and Ann Smith (1576-1676); they have been detached as his parents pending reliable sources. Also, Anderson reports his wife Alice's last name at birth was unknown. Anderson further states that there is not reliable evidence that Elizabeth Smith Manton (1632-1732) was his daughter and she has been detached.

DNA

Immigrant Ancestor of yDNA group NE40 John Smith-42051, the miller (c1595 ENG-1648 RI) m Alice Knight-3286?. See SmithConnections Northeastern DNA Project.[9]

Sources

  1. Great Migration 1634-1635, R-S. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2012.) Originally published as: The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume VI, R-S, by Robert Charles Anderson. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009. Reference page 388 via $American Ancestors
  2. Bayles, Richard M. (Richard Mather), ed , History of Providence County, Rhode Island 1891 New York, W.W. Preston. John Smith among 1st settlers, pgs 16, 142.
  3. page 155 of Appendix of Chad Browne Memorial book
  4. Robert Charles Anderson, Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Vol VI, p 388-390
  5. Roger Williams Correspondence, p 149; Winthrop Papers 4:25
  6. Anderson, p 389, citing Chapin 1:76-78, 96-97, 116
  7. Anderson, p 389-290, citing Roger Williams Correspondence, p 329
  8. Anderson, p 390
  9. SmithConnections Northeastern DNA Project, haplogroup Rb1 NE40 John Smith, the miller.
See also:
  • Great Migration 1634-1635, R-S. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2012.) Originally published as: The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume VI, R-S, pp 387 - 390. by Robert Charles Anderson. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009. Featured name: John Smith.for subscribers$
  • Colket, Jr., Meredith B. 1912-. Founders of Early American Families: Emigrants From Europe, 1607-1657, Revised Edition. Cleveland: General Court of the Order of Founders and Patriots of America : distributed by Founders Project, 1985. Text located at the New England Historical and Genealogical Society library. Page 287.
  • Charles William Farnham, "John Smith, the Miller, of Providence, Rhode Island: Some of his Descendants," in Rhode Island History 20:109-114
  • Genealogy of the Whipple-Wright : Wager : Ward-Pell : McLean-Burnet Families...
  • Wikipedia contributors. "John Smith (settler)." Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Accessed 15 Sep 2023.




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Is anyone aware of a reliable source for his wife's last name at birth being Comstock? Anderson said she was Alice _____.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
I could not find reliable sources for the LNAB on her profile, but the change log suggests "Comstock" was part of the original import in 2014.

In 2009, Anderson called her Alice ____. See Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume VI, R-S (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009), 387-390 (John Smith) at 388; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.

If we don't have reliable sources, or even a trace of why she was born Comstock, should we recreate her as Alice _____?

posted by GeneJ X
The only place I find the name Comstock is in the Smith Official DNA site, which has no sources for her last name, and in fact shows she was born in Providence, Rhode Island in 1600 (an obvious error): https://www.smithsworldwide.org/tng/getperson.php?personID=I1045&tree=tree1
posted by S (Hill) Willson
Duplicate profiles of an early (and fairly notable) PGM colonist. Smith-58064 is in the Unsourced Profile category and it appears the content, although without sources, is quoting verbatim Massachusetts and Rhode Island Vital Records which are documented in PGM project managed Smith-42051. Additionally, both profiles are married to Alice Comstock. Neither profile sources the child they are connected too and a Will isn’t present in the PGM managed Smith-42051 but as both profiles only contain 1 child each it shouldn’t be too difficult for the PM’s to research.
posted on Smith-58064 (merged) by Leigh Anne (Johnson) Dear
Smith-58064 and Smith-42051 appear to represent the same person because: Duplicate profiles of an early (and fairly notable) PGM colonist. Smith-58064 is in the Unsourced Profile category and it appears the content, although without sources, is quoting verbatim Massachusetts and Rhode Island Vital Records which are documented in PGM project managed Smith-42051. Additionally, both profiles are married to Alice Comstock. Neither profile sources the child they are connected too and a Will isn’t present in the PGM managed Smith-42051 but as both profiles only contain 1 child each it shouldn’t be too difficult for the PM’s to research.
Smith-64033 and Smith-42051 appear to represent the same person because: Both profiles appear to represent the same person. Birth years the same, both in England (no sources show place on -64033). Death dates differ but date on -64033 appears to come from a Geni profile and other internet trees that have erroneous, unsourced information. Erroneous wife Dorothy on -64033 has been removed. His wife should be Alice, per quality sources. Please merge.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
with regards to "The Comstock Family in America" found on that FindAGrave, the John Smith mentioned there was a mason. This profile is for a John Smith was a grist miller.
I can't find any basis for John Smith 1623-1672 being the son of Alice Comstock and John Smith. Other records say their son was John Smith 1642-1683 Rhode Island. https://www.geni.com/people/John-Smith-Jr/6000000001069499855
posted on Smith-58064 (merged) by Deb (Langsdorf) Gunther
But the father is the same person. So are you saying that you think the father named 2 of his sons with the same name of John ?

Or if one of the sons has been attached to the wrong father, then shouldn't he be removed ???

posted on Smith-64033 (merged) by N Gauthier
But the father is the same person. So are you saying that you think the father named 2 of his sons with the same name of John ?

Or if one of the sons has been attached to the wrong father, then shouldn't he be removed ???

posted by N Gauthier
Smith-64033 and Smith-42051 are not ready to be merged because: too much of the data is not similar with a very common name.
posted by David Higgs
Smith-64033 and Smith-42051 appear to represent the same person because: can you please check your research on these 2 duplicate profiles with the same father ?
posted by N Gauthier
Hello Douglas,

I see that this John Smith has a featured article in Anderson's Great Migration as such he is eligible to be in WTs Puritan Great Migration Project.

I will add the project box.

Smith-64033 and Smith-66576 appear to represent the same person because: Same person, please merge.
posted on Smith-64033 (merged) by [Living McQueen]
Smith-58065 and Smith-58064 appear to represent the same person because: Merge using 1595 - 1669 dates; cannot find the other John Smith with the other dates associated with Alice. Alice and John had at least 6 children, two are listed in these profiles.
posted on Smith-58064 (merged) by Patrick McCormick