In WikiTree I currently serve as volunteer Project Leader for the New Netherland Settlers Project and United States Project, Project Co-Leader for the Palatine Migration Project, and Project Leader supporting the Massachusetts Project.
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Born, grew up, and still living (last time I looked!) in the United States of America.
The table (table format at Space:Table of Known Ancestors) below summarizes the extent of the information on my ancestry that is included in Wikitree. For the ten generations previous to mine, it shows the number of possible ancestors, the number of these ancestors who are currently identified/documented included in WikiTree, and the percentage of the possible ancestors who are identified here. Cumulative (overall) totals are also provided. Generations 9 and 10 are not up to date.
"Identified" ancestors include some with unknown last names at birth. It also includes some questionable identifications and people that I have not researched.
ANCESTORS BY GENERATION | OVERALL ANCESTORS (CUMULATIVE) | ||||||||
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Gen. # | Direct Relation to Self | Dates of Birth | Matches | # | # Identified in WikiTree | % Identified in WikiTree | Total # | Total # Identified | Total % Identified |
1 | Parent | 1920s | siblings | 2 | 2 | 100.0% | 2 | 2 | 100.0% |
2 | grandparent | 1890s | 1st Cousins | 4 | 4 | 100.0% | 6 | 6 | 100.0% |
3 | great grandparent | 1850s to 1870s | 2nd Cousins | 8 | 8 | 100.0% | 14 | 14 | 100.0% |
4 | 2nd great grandparent | 1810s to 1850s | 3rd Cousins | 16 | 16 | 100.0% | 30 | 30 | 100.0% |
5 | 3rd great grandparent | 1770s to 1820s | 4th Cousins | 32 | 32 | 100.0% | 62 | 62 | 100.0% |
6 | 4th great grandparent | 1740s to 1790s | 5th Cousins | 64 | 52 | 81.2% | 126 | 114 | 90.5% |
7 | 5th great grandparent | 1700s to 1760s | 6th Cousins | 128 | 89 | 69.5% | 254 | 203 | 79.9% |
8 | 6th great grandparent | 1670s to 1740s | 7th Cousins | 256 | 141* | 55.1% | 510 | 344 | 67.5% |
9 | 7th great grandparent | 1650s to 1700s | 8th Cousins | 512 | 250* | 48.8% | 1022 | 594 | 58.1% |
10 | 8th great grandparent | 1590s to 1670s | 9th Cousins | 1024 | 401* | 39.2% | 2046 | 981 | 47.9% |
*There are several duplicates (people who appear on multiple branches of the tree) in these generations (see "Endogamy" section below for a list). These people are counted more than once in the numbers for both possible ancestors and identified ancestors. Cumulative numbers of distinct individuals in my WikiTree-documented ancestry are: 343 at generation 8, 570 at generation 9, and 934 at generation 10.
See this page.
Autosomal DNA matching with me may be complicated by the number of ancestors who are represented in my lineage more than once. These distant ancestors' DNA may be somewhat amplified in my DNA. Also, if the same ancestor appears on different branches of my family tree, that may reduce the chance of triangulating a particular DNA segment to a particular common ancestor.
Identified ancestors appearing in multiple lines of my ancestry include (this list is not yet complete):
Generation 8
Generation 9
Generation 10
See my Notes on DNA Matches page for information on DNA confirmation of maternal and paternal relationships.
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Ellen is 23 degrees from Charlotte Brontë, 15 degrees from Louisa Alcott, 36 degrees from Victoria Benedictsson, 22 degrees from Rosalind Nield, 22 degrees from Elizabeth Gaskell, 29 degrees from Amy de Leeuw, 18 degrees from Harriet Arbuthnot, 25 degrees from Aurore Dupin de Francueil, 24 degrees from Isabella Crawford and 18 degrees from Barry Smith on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.
I could only conclude that the profile of Lysette Aktok was created to represent the wife whom oral history said was the daughter of a Mohawk sachem or chief, and that the name Lysette was a mistaken copy of the name Lysbet (the woman who needed the shroud). It is clear that Pieter van Woggelum existed and had a wife, but I do think that the profiles created to represent his Native wife are essentially fiction.
I do not know what to make of the idea that this woman was a Montauk or Montaukett (from eastern Long Island), since eastern Long Island was English territory (not Dutch) and Pieter van Woggelum lived in the Albany-Schenectady area (Mohawk territory).
My recent edits were in response to the forum discussion at https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1222512/merger-help-from-native-americans-project-pre-1600-profiles . I just happen to be the New Netherland project leader who handled some of the merge proposals that came out of that discussion. The forum (in general) and that discussion (in particular) would be a more appropriate place to present your opinions about oral tradition related to the Van Woggelum family.
The WikiTree Native Americans Project has found that many, many, Americans have family traditions of a Native American ancestor -- particularly Pocahontas -- that are unsupported by all known evidence, and in many cases can be proven wrong. Similarly, there are many family traditions of descent from European royalty that are demonstrably wrong, and there are many other traditions about ancestors of European origin that cannot be proven or disproven because the records have been lost (or perhaps have not been found yet). WikiTree profiles can discuss oral history traditions in the text, but we should not make connections between people unless they are supported by documented genealogy. The members of the Native Americans Project research various Native lineages, including those that are supported by documented evidence, those that are contrary to the evidence, and those whose validity cannot be determined from the known evidence.
I tried to merge two profiles that are both project protected by the New Netherland Settlers Project. See below. Can you please complete the merge?
Delamater-172 is project protected. This means that it cannot be merged into any other profile. Profiles need to be merged into it instead. Click here to reverse the merge so that Delamater-153 is merged into Delamater-172.
Delamater-153 is project protected. This means that it cannot be merged into any other profile. Profiles need to be merged into it instead. Click here to reverse the merge so that Delamater-172 is merged into Delamater-153.
Thank you.
Karen
I am typing this on my phone at the moment, so I have not investigated the current status of the profiles.
I made some notes about her at Delamater-153.
Bruce
I sent you an email about Maine Project. Just posting this here in case it didn’t make it to you. Thx. S Willson
Sharman PS. Tried out the "Connections to me" for the first time after seeing someone below mention they are related to you and having recognized a few names listed in your generational lists above. Marinus van Aken and Pieternelle De Pre are both of our 8th great grandparents. Hello cousin! :)
Sometimes it seems like everybody who has significant New Netherland ancestry is related. That is not actually true, but since you and I both seem to have roots in Kingston and its environs, I guess I expected that we would be distant cousins. Glad to meet you, cousin!
Thanks for looking!
https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Strycker-34&public=1
The link is already in notes - Image 18- https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6961/images/42037_2421401696_0511-00180?clickref=1101ldzWkxpo&lang=en-US
I'm curious to know why Arent Danielse (abt.1681-1756) is identified by his middle name rather than by his surname, Van Antwerpen? His father is identified by the surname, as are his children (my direct ancestors) but he is not. It seems to me that some consistency is in order here, and would curb some unnecessary confusion. BTW, how long does it take to find out if I've been accepted to the NNS group? Respectfully, Jim Sellers
I am way behind on awarding badges. Please consider yourself a member, even if you do not have a badge yet.
I agree that Danielse is a patronymic name, but it certainly is not a last name, as you infer. Van Antwerpen is the surname or family name, if that's a better descriptor. Leaving it completely off of his name is foolishness, when we know it really should be there. In "A history of the Schenectady patent in the Dutch and English times : being contributions toward a history of the lower Mohawk Valley", our subject is quite clearly referred to as; Arent Danielse Van Antwerpen in it's narrative regarding the patent. Your last sentence regarding his father is the tell-all for me. He had surname... we should use it! I'm not a neophite nor am I simple.I would just like this group to use a little reason. Thank you kindly, I'm waiting anxiously for my badge! Respectfully, Jim
Thanking you yet again for all the work you do. If you know anyone in Wikitree Ad-Min maybe they could develop a 5x and 10x thank you button, it would be a lot easier. Thanks, Mark
I like to join the Massachusetts state project. I just discovered this woman which added and her husband. Unfortunately, I only have birth date for her and found a marriage record. I added her husband to day but I only had the marriage. They both need more research. I started adding them to categories and placed stickers not sure if your Medford Massachusetts project would need to be alerted but thought I message you In case.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Watson-28870
Billie
Thank you for suggesting a merge on this profile! Judy
In the merge proposal section at the bottom of the screen, where it says [compare] [merge] [match] [reject], if you click on [merge] you should be taken to a new screen where you can complete the merge. Because the other profile has no manager, your approval is all that is needed for the merge to be ready to go. :-)
The New Netherland Settlers Project has posted many resources on this website to help people who are researching New Netherlanders, and you can search WikiTree for the names of the people who you think might be ancestors, to see what information we have.
edited by Keith Cook
Thanks for sharing the find of "Old Gravestones of Dutchess County". I've already found a few entries of interest.
Jim Moore
edited by Jim Moore
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ogden-588. I was wondering if you could look at it and give your opinion? It seems solid. Does it merit incorporating it in the biography, and changing the Unknown Origins section? Or should it be a research note? So far no one else has offered an opinion. Thank you.
More comments on the Ogden-588 profile.
The 2020 Source-a-Thon is taking registration now at this [1]. The S-a-T will take place from 8 AM EDT Friday, October 2 to 8 AM EDT Monday, October 5. If you want to participate as a member of Team Massachusetts, go to the post and answer indicating the team name. You need to answer the question so Eowyn can officially add you to the Team. We did a good job last year. Let's see what we can do this time around. Don’t forget to visit our Chat Page. Bob
edited by Ellen Gustafson
Ellen Smith and Enrique Treat (Gleason Gleeson) Gleason Esq. are both descendants of David Ackerman.
1. Ellen is the daughter of Catherine (Van Aken) Smith DNA confirmed 2. Catherine is the daughter of Homer Van Aken DNA confirmed 3. Homer is the son of John De Baun Van Aken (1863-1957) [confident] 4. De Baun is the son of Abigail (Lansing) Van Aken (1832-1907) [unknown confidence] 5. Abigail is the daughter of Alida (Groat) Lansing (1805-1866) [unknown confidence] 6. Alida is the daughter of Cornelis A. Groot (bef.1758-1850) [unknown confidence] 7. Cornelius is the son of Rachel de Graaf (bef.1730-) [unknown confidence] 8. Rachel is the daughter of Aeltje (Hennion) de Graaf (bef.1685-) [unknown confidence] 9. Aaltje is the daughter of Anneken Davids Ackerman (1642-1731) [unknown confidence] 10. Anneken Davids is the daughter of David Ackerman (1615-1663) [unknown confidence] This makes David the eighth great grandfather of Ellen.
1. Enrique Treat is the son of Fred Trent Gleason (1920-1998) DNA confirmed 2. Fred is the son of Frederick Treat Gleason (abt.1872-1934) DNA confirmed 3. Frederick is the son of Emma S. (Treat) Gleason (1853-1930) DNA confirmed 4. Emma is the daughter of Mary J. (Gardner) Treat (1824-1867) [confident] 5. Mary is the daughter of Levyntje (Francisco) Gardner (1795-abt.1876) [confident] 6. Levyntje is the daughter of Johannis T Francisco Jr (1771-1827) [unknown confidence] 7. Johannis is the son of John A. Francisco (1749-1832) [unknown confidence] 8. John is the son of Aaltje (Dormus) Francisco (1726-1771) [unknown confidence] 9. Aaltje is the daughter of Anneken Abramse Ackerman (1691-abt.1750) [uncertain] 10. Anneken Abramse is the daughter of Abraham David Ackerman (1659-1724) [confident] 11. Abraham David is the son of David Ackerman (1615-1663) [confident] This makes David the ninth great grandfather of Enrique Treat.
Thanks for all the work you accomplished during our Connect-A-Thon 2020. It is amazing how many more profiles were created and added to our Shared Tree over the weekend. We are proud of your efforts.
Kind regards,
Pippin Sheppard ~ WikiTree’s Appreciation Team
edited by Ellen Gustafson
For future reference, in profile messages like this one, you can make a link to a profile by using double square brackets (same as in a biography).
Really appreciate you, Colleen
I noticed those duplicates when I did a name search for some similar names (I think I was searching for Mar* Ro*), and then sorted the search results by birth date. I did not find what I was looking for, but I found those duplicate Robinsons!
I had answered the New Netherlands join question about 20 days back. What is the normal wait time on getting a badge?
Thx, Thom
This fellow wants to join Colorado subproject of United States History. He wrote to me asking, and needs the US_history badge https://www.WikiTree.com/wiki/Stock-1325
Thanks in advance
Have a happy Monday:)
The standard format for a Sources list starts out with the tag <references />. That does look like it might be a hidden instruction to guide editing, but in fact it is a mandatory element that should not be removed. That tag generates a list of numbered footnotes when the profile is formatted to use footnotes (the preferred approach for citing sources, by the way).
Each item in the Sources list should be preceded by an asterisk (*) to create an indented bullet. When we create a new profile, the first item automatically gets preceded by an asterisk, but we have to enter the asterisks for the other items manually. Please don't use colons to create sources lists.
If I have failed to adequately explain a detail about formatting a Sources list, you can always look under the Edit tab on a properly formatted profile to see what the coding looks like.
Happy hunting!
The message we exchanged before didn't sit 100% well with me, so I thought I'd just check in a day later. First off, I wanted to make clear I do plan on G2G-ing whenever parents' profiles will need to be added. I think it is good to let everyone have a final say! Secondly, I really try to update the profiles of the people who lived in the early Dutch colonies now and then. I noticed that a lot of these -fairly often important (with regards to number of descendants)- profiles are not using primary sourcing, and can be hard to edit because you often need a bit of knowledge about Dutch history and culture too. Because of this, I decided to contribute every now and then :-).
Because I want to contribute, I wonder when you think a G2G is necessary, as our opinions seem to differ on what would require such a post. Personally, I think it is only needed whenever difficult source discussion is taking place, or different theories can be supported through all primary sources.
When primary sources show that more common attributions of parentage (mostly due to copying of trees on Ancestry etc.) are dead wrong I personally do not think it is necessary or ethical to keep the theory as a possibly accepted theory on WikiTree. In my opinion, it would be best to show that the theory exists and why it is wrong - disproving research should not require a G2G post.
I would love to know when you would want me to post to G2G and the logic behind posting such posts in those cases :-) I also wonder what you would change to https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Corszen-5 right now, to better be able to update profiles in the future!
Have a nice day / evening (Dutch time),
Willem
P.S. Thanks for your earlier notice anyway, as it did point me towards the fact that I should round of the conclusions a bit better instead of leaving them open.
You and I have a lot of ancestors in common. We map out as 5th cousins via a Townsend connection, but we are also 7th cousins, 8th cousins, etc., via other shared ancestors. I see that you tested on FTDNA, and I've posted my data there, so I looked for you on my report there. You aren't listed as a DNA match (that's not surprising, as there's a low chance of an autosomal match at 5 generations on a line where we would not have received X chromosome DNA).
I expect that I'll continue to see you around, cousin!
Where and when did the two Zoller daughters of the Etcbach Zollers arrive and live in New York. One was 13 and the other 15.
And how about this for a coincidence: Jones writes the 15 year old daughter when she arrived in New York, had an illegitimate daughter with a Negro in New York. Then he writes that Johannes Schaeffer's wife also had an illegitimate child. These two are supposedly daughters of the Etzbach Zoller family.
How can you managers ignore the only documentation and believe the made up Jones info?