Sir
John
Sounder
aka Sounders
Born [date unknown] [location unknown]
Ancestors 
Son of Edward (Plantagenet) of Woodstock KG
[uncertain]
and [mother unknown]
Brother of
Roger Clarendon [half], Edward FitzEdward, Edward (Plantagenet) of Angoulême [half] and Richard (Plantagenet) England [half]
Died [date unknown]
[location unknown]
Profile last modified
| Created 2 Feb 2012
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Research suggests that this person may never have existed. See the text for details.
Biography
Notes
- This person almost certainly did not exist. He is known from only a single source, and it has been suggested that the source is confusing him with Edward III's known illegitimate son, John de Southeray.
- This profile remains on WikiTree as he does appear in some secondary sources; hopefully, this will prevent the re-creation of this non-existent person.
- Cawley, Medieval Lands:
- “John Sounder” is named as an illegitimate son of Edward Prince of Wales[910]. His supposed existence is based only on a passage in Froissart who refers to an illegitimate brother of the English king (at that time Richard II): Froissart records that, during the campaign in Portugal led by Edmund of Langley, dated to 1382, "un chevalier bastart frère au roi d´Engletière...messires Jehans Soutrée" led a rebellion of English troops at Vila Vicosa. Given-Wilson & Curteis say that "there can be little doubt that [Froissart] was getting confused here and that it is John de Southeray [bastard son of King Edward III, see below] to whom he refers" [1]
Sources
- Cawley, Charles. Medieval Lands: A Prosopography of Medieval European Noble and Royal Families, Online at Foundation for Medieval Genealogy Website (accessed December 2016).
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It may be possible to confirm family relationships with John by comparing test results with other carriers of his ancestors' Y-chromosome or mitochondrial DNA. Y-chromosome DNA test-takers in his direct paternal line on WikiTree:
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with John by comparing test results with other carriers of his ancestors' Y-chromosome or mitochondrial DNA. Y-chromosome DNA test-takers in his direct paternal line on WikiTree:
- Richard III (York) of England
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Y-Chromosome Test 22 markers, haplogroup G-P287, MitoYDNA ID Z10009 [compare]
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