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15 Nations Global Tour: India (Stop #1)

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Geography

The Republic of India is located in South Asia. It is the seventh largest country by area and the second most populous country in the world. Its largest city is Mumbai, while its largest population center is New Delhi, which is also the nation's capital.

Demographics

India has a population approaching 1.4 billion people. The National Census of India does not recognize racial or ethnic groups within India, although it does recognize numerous tribal groups and castes. India has no national language, although Hindi, with the largest number of speakers, is the official language of the government. English is used extensively in business and administration. Nearly 80% of Indians practice Hinduism, while just under 15% are Muslim. Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, and others make up the remaining 5%.

History

Modern humans arrived on the Indian subcontinent from Africa at least 55,000 years ago with settled life eventually evolving into what is now known as the Indus Valley Civilization. The long occupation of the region has made India second only to Africa in human genetic diversity.

Aryan tribes, speaking an archaic version of Sanskrit, arrived rom the northwest in about 1500 BCE. In the 8th century, Arab invaders established a Muslim stronghold in the west, and Turkish Muslims gained control in the north by 1200. The Mughal emperors ruled from 1526-1857.

The Portuguese established the first European trading posts in India in 1498, and were quickly followed by the Dutch and British. Eventually, operating as the East India Company, the British gained control of most of India and in 1828, the British parliament assumed political control of the region.

After World War II, India saw a rise in nationalism, led largely by Mahatma Gandhi and his advocacy for self-rule, nonviolence, and an end to caste discrimination. In 1945, Pakistan was split off from India, and India was declared a self-governing member of the British Commonwealth in 1947. India gained full independence from Britain when it became a democratic republic in 1950.

Resources

Click here for a list of resources relevant to Indian genealogical research:

Indian Resources Page

Notable Indians

In the below list, columns can be sorted by clicking on the arrow button in any category heading box. A "C" in the final column denotes a Notable who has been successfully connected to the Big Tree. "N/C" stands for Not Connected.

Notable Born Died Claim to Fame Photo C
Sardar Patel18751950Independence LeaderN/C
Sorojini Naidu18791949Poet / Activist / GovernorConnected
Babasaheb Ambedkar18911956Father of the Indian RepublicN/C
Dhyan Chand19051979Field Hockey PlayerN/C
R.K. Narayan19062001WriterN/C
Dr. Homi Bhabha19091966Nuclear ScientistConnected
Maqbool Husain19152011ArtistN/C
Dr. B.K.S. Iyengar19182014Yoga MasterN/C
Ravi Shankar19202012MusicianConnected
Satyjit Ray19211992Film MakerN/C
Dilip Kumar19222021ActorN/C
A. P. J. Abdul Kalam19312015Rocket Scientist / StatesmanN/C
Narendra Modi1950LIVINGCurrent Prime Minister of IndiaN/C
Droupadi Murmu1958LIVINGCurrent President of IndiaN/C
Dr. Kalpana Chawla19622003AstronautN/C

Additional Notables We Met on Our Tour... The 51 notables listed below were all discovered to be connected to at least one of our original fifteen notables listed above. Their profiles have been created, but many still need a lot of sprucing up.

Notable Born Died Claim to Fame Photo C
Dwarkanath Ganguly18441998Women's rights activistN/C
Aghorenath Chattopadhyay18511915First Indian to secure a Doctor of Science degreeConnected
Kadambini Ganguly18611934India's First female physicianN/C
Updendrakishore Ray18631915Religious and social reformerN/C
Vithalbhai Patel18731933Political leader who founded the Swaraj PartyN/C
Aftabuddin Khan18721933Bengali musician, composer and lyricistConnected
Allauddin Khan18751972 Sarod player and music teachersConnected
Chatto18801937Indian revolutionaryConnected
Ayet Ali Khan18841967Sitar and surbahār player and teacherConnected
Sukumar Ray18871923Children's poetN/C
Tirumalai Krishnamacharya18881989Father of modern yogaN/C
Shukhalata Rao18961969Children's book authorN/C
Harindranath Chattopadhyay18981990Poet, dramatist, actor and musicianConnected
A.C.N. Nambiar18961986Freedom fighter and head of the Indian LegionN/C
Padmaja Naidu19001975Freedom fighter and Governor of West BengalN/C
Uday Shankar19001977Dancer and choreographerConnected
Suhasini Chattopadhyay19021973Freedom fighter and the first woman member of the Communist Party of IndiaConnected
Kamaladevi Chattopadhyay19031988 Social reformer and freedom activist.Connected
Maniben Patel19031990 Independence activist and Parliament memberN/C
Dahyabhai Patel19051973Member of ParliamentN/C
Roop Singh19081977Field hockey playerN/C
V. Lakshminarayana19111990Professor of musicConnected
Bhaiyasaheb Ambedkar19121977Buddhist religious and political leaderN/C
Naseem Begun19162002India's first female superstarN/C
Bijay Ray19172015ActressN/C
Ramnad Krishnan19181973Vocalist in the Carnatic traditionN/C
Amala Shankar19192020DancerConnected
Ali Akbar Khan19222009Hindustani classical musician Connected
Nasir Khan19241974ActorN/C
Begum Para19262008Bollywood glamor girlN/C
Lakshmi Shankar19262015Hindustani vocalistConnected
Ramnad Raghavan19272009Mridangam playerConnected
Kamala Laxman19272015Children's book authorN/C
Annapurna Devi19272018Surbahar (bass sitar) playerConnected
Bahadur Khan19311989Sarod playerConnected
Kumari Kamala1934LIVINGBharatanatyam dancer and film actressN/C
T. K. V. Desikachar19382016Yoga teacherN/C
Shubho Shankar19421992Musician and film composerConnected
Ananda Shankar19421999Musician who fused Indian classical music with Western rock.Connected
Saira Banu1944LIVINGActressN/C
Geeta Iyengar19442018Yoga teacher and authorN/C
L. Subramaniam1947LIVINGViolinistConnected
Ashok Kumar1950LIVINGField hockey player and managerN/C
Viji Subramaniam19521995Actress and choreographerConnected
Sandir Ray1953LIVINGFilm DirectorN/C
Mamata Shankar1955LIVINGActress and choreographerConnected
Tanusree Shankar1956LIVINGDancer and choreographerConnected
Niharika Bhasin1969LIVINGCostume designerN/C
Ayub Khan1969LIVINGFilm and television actorN/C
Arjun Bhasin1970LIVINGCostume designer Image:Bhasin-4.jpgN/C
Norah Jones1979LIVINGGrammy-winning singer, songwriter, pianistConnected
Anoushka Shankar1981LIVINGGrammy-winning sitar playerConnected




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A retrospective question.

How many people contributed to this tour from inside India, or are of Indian descent?

Some of my local friends emigrated from India recently and I can imagine they might be interested in Wikitree in the future when there is more to get involved with.

posted by Steve Thomas
I am not aware of any natives of India participating in this project. That doesn't mean there haven't been any, I'm just not aware. Please note that, as we move on to our next nation, we will not be shutting down our India tour. In fact, it will remain open indefinitely. There is so much that still needs to be done. We would love to have your friends from India join in. Maybe they'd even be willing to share their own family trees. The more profiles we can get posted the better.

Please keep us posted should they choose to sign up.

posted by David Randall
edited by David Randall
I was getting confused between Mumbai and Bombay, trying to find a time frame for each name, and I came across this:

Bombay was an Anglicization of the Portuguese name for the city, but on our maps now the official use is Mumbai,

And,

While the city is still referred to as Bombay by some of its residents and by some Indians from other regions, mention of the city by a name other than Mumbai has been controversial, resulting in emotional outbursts.

WikiTree has two categories: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Bombay%2C_Maharashtra and https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Mumbai%2C_Maharashtra

I still can't find a time frame, but in 2004 the Times started using Mumbai. I'm going to use both categories for profiles.

posted by Kathy Evans
Bombay was officially renamed Mumbai in 1995. Here is a detailed article on the renaming controversy: pantograph-punch.com /posts/bombay-or-mumbai . Wikipedia also has an informative article entitled Renaming of Cities in India.
posted by David Randall
edited by David Randall
Not directly relevant or helpful, but just wanted to remark that, as a linguistics student, I was actually a bit surprised to find out that the names Bombay & Mumbai aren’t related. Phonetically speaking, they’re very similar, & I could easily see Bombay being derived from Mumbai in some manner or another. Might not be readily noticeable to English speakers, but to give a similar example where this is the case, the names Myanmar & Burma are in fact one & the same, just slightly different dialectal forms of the same name.

Anyway, I just found that interesting, & wonder if there’s any chance at all that the Portuguese name was in some way influenced by the native.

Generally speaking, it sounds to me like it’s better to err on the side of Mumbai, even before the official name change, if it’s what was used in local languages or the vernacular.

posted by TL Koehnline
Can we add a Resources section for sites that we find?
posted by Mindy Silva
Absolutely! Its at the top of my things-to-do list (along with a dozen other things) but I hope to have a page up before the day is out. It will be interesting to see how many resources we've come up with once they are all presented in one place.

Update: We now have an India Resources Page with 39 links! Scroll back above to find the link.

posted by David Randall
edited by David Randall
I've added sources to Dhyan Chand and Dr. Homi Bhabha. I'm not real comfortable adding non-American profiles, but I'll give it a try with their parents.
posted by Kathy Evans
Kathy, thanks for your contributions. Don't let the foreign profiles intimidate you. For the most part, they're no different than American profile. If the language issue is a concern for you, just add your information in English and someone else can do the translations. It's better to get the information out there and we can work on formatting and making things pretty later. If you have any questions, just ask.

Addendum: The work you've done on the Chand and Bhabha profiles is excellent!

posted by David Randall
edited by David Randall
Thanks, David. There was so much information about these families on Google. I don't think they will get connected, but at least their story is being told.
posted by Kathy Evans
I'm with you on that 100%! We are also increasing the number of Indian profiles ever so slightly and by putting some focus there perhaps we will encourage others of Indian descent to become more involved with WikiTree. The same will also hold true for the next 14 countries we visit.
posted by David Randall
I suspect that all the Tour profiles will have a Suggestion Error 894: Missing Required parameter in template . https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:DBE_894 .

It appears that the challenge sticker needs a date as one of the parameters.

posted by Darren Kellett
Thanks for pointing that out Darren. I look into getting that fixed ASAP.
posted by David Randall
Well, I researched Astronaut, Kalpana Chawla; figured out a good bit, but as far as I can tell, her parents, husband, and siblings are still living, so can add them to her profile. Her husband was born in England and will be a fairly easy way to connect her to the global tree.
posted by M. (Tull) Meredith
Margaret, you can connect her living relatives to her profile, but they will automatically be marked private and, as profile manager, only you will be able to view them. The advantage to adding them, however, is that you can then begin connecting deceased grandparents and other relatives who will have open profiles. If you don't want to manage these profiles yourself, you can instead send me a private message with the information and will set up the profiles and serve as profile manager. It would be great to give her the honor of being the first of our notables to be connected to the Global Tree.
posted by David Randall
Okay, I will start their profiles although it is slim.
posted by M. (Tull) Meredith
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar is an Indian notable: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Chandrasekhar-3. The area where he was born is in present day Pakistan, but was part of India at the time of his birth. Does that satisfy criteria?
Good question Barbara. I believe there needs to be some flexibility to allow for the historic boundaries, not only present day India. I would keep Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar on the list of Indian notables.
posted by Steve Thomas
Also, his uncle, Chandrasekhara Venkata Raman is also a Nobel Prize winner: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Raman-17, making him a notable as well.
Hi Barbara. We are not currently adding notables to our initial list of 15. However, once the formal project is open, I will add a list of additional notables to the page. So please keep the recommendations coming. Also, if anyone wants to work on Dr. Chandrasekhar's profile, Barbara has provided a link. He is not yet connected to the Global Tree.
posted by David Randall
I have been busy adding categories to some of the profiles. One of the profiles had 12 extra categories that he fitted into.
posted by Darren Kellett
Done a quick bit of research tonight and we may have our work cut out with Indian surnames so I will post what I've found below as the format of the names will change based on the area or religion of the person we are looking at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_name

"Indian names are based on a variety of systems and naming conventions, which vary from region to region. Names are also influenced by religion and caste and may come from epics. India's population speaks a wide variety of languages and nearly every major religion in the world has a following in India. This variety makes for subtle, often confusing, differences in names and naming styles. Due to historical Indian cultural influences, several names across South and Southeast Asia are influenced by or adapted from Indian names or words.

In some cases, Indian birth name is different from their official name; the birth name starts with a randomly selected name from the person's horoscope (based on the nakshatra or lunar mansion corresponding to the person's birth).

Many children are given three names, sometimes as a part of religious teaching."

posted by Lauren (Thorpe) Brown
Was going to comment similarly. Aside from religion, India is host to quite the variety of ethnic groups, & for each individual we will have to determine what language, & what rules to follow. Obviously, we can only work with what is accessible to us, but a first step I think we need to take is to render the names of these profiles in their original languages/scripts, rather than the colonizer’s Latin—not only is that in accordance with our “their conventions, not ours” guideline, but can also help us potentially attract new members from the regions & ethnic groups each of these profiled people are from.
posted by TL Koehnline
looking at B.K.S Iyengar, Iyengar is the given name of their family and the ones his children and grandchildren use but it's actually a ethnoreligious community of Tamil-speaking Hindu Brahmins and even then they are split into Vadakalai and the Tenkalai.

It looks like some use it as a surname but others choose a different name maybe based on class? B.K.S Iyengar came from a poor family background so they might have used that whereas his teacher who married his sister used the name Tirumalai but they are both Iyengar.

(I've been up all night and I still can't fully grasp a system)

posted by Lauren (Thorpe) Brown
Patel (Leuva Patidar) was also one of those ethnoreligious caste communities that can be a surname or not, but for Sardar Patel's family, they were consistent with their names, & they were easier to classify (his mother's name was Desai, but that's also associated with the Leuva Patidar).

For Tamil people, we may have to have some discussions about how to render their names on WT. For BKS Iyengar himself it's not too difficult, since he has a personal name, Sundararaja, & surname Iyengar, but as you say it isn't fixed, & often times, as with Iyengar, the first name listed is actually the father's, sometimes prefixed with the town name, & an enormous amount of people don't use surnames at all anymore because of caste distinctions.

Although he came from Iyengar, the Wikipedia article for Tirumalai says his family spoke & used Telugu naming traditions, which are distinct from Tamil. Ugh.

Also worth noting, just for anyone working on these lines, that Sri/Shri/Shrimati are honorifics that are not part of the standard name. So, for instance, Iyengar's father is listed as Sri Krishnamachar, meaning his name should most likely be listed simply as கிருஷ்ணமாச்சார் அய்யங்கார் (Krishnamachar Iyengar).

posted by TL Koehnline
Isn't Sachin Tendulkar in the Notable list for India?
posted by Steve Thomas