1841 piece 516-08

Not profiled - identity uncertain. Two matches in Prescot baptisms, 3 in 1851, 2 in 1861, none of them painter/plumber/glaziers. No death matches 1841-51 Prescot.

Ellen Naish

Charles Naish

Mary Ann Bach

folio 6 page 4

Ann Melling 25 Servant Y //

Not profiled - identity uncertain.

One death in Prescot 1841-51 (in 1842), but the age is 36. Could work if the 1841 age has been miscopied or misread and should have been 35. No matching burial listed for the 1842 death, on LanOPC, FS or in Windleshaw Chantry MIs.

Two marriages in Prescot 1841-51. One is to Henry Challinor - profiled.

The other is to John Hill in 1844 - both resident in Knowsley when they married - had difficulty tracing them, there were some potential child's birth registrations (James 1846 Manchester, John Thomas 1848 Manchester, William James 1852 Wigan, Eliza 1853 Manchester, Thomas 1854 Wigan, John 1855 Wigan, Horatio 1856 Manchester, Philip 1857 Bury) but some or all have have been another family or families.

There was an Ann Melling chr 11 Feb 1816 St Helens Chapel dtr of Thomas & Betty & not with her parents (both still alive) in 1841, but she may have been buried 13 Feb 1829 St Helens Chapel aged 14.

Isabella Jane Pemberton

Anne Pemberton 15 Straw Bonnet Maker Y /

Probably a daughter of John & Jane Pemberton

Did not marry plumber Robert Davies in 1845 - that Ann's father was a labourer and she was born in Cheshire per census in FS tree

Probably did marry Joseph Hampson on 18 May 1848 at Edge Hill St Mary's image, father John a glassman

A Jane Pemberton was one of the witnesses & signed but it doesn't match her sister Isabel Jane's signature; could be their mother

Couldn't see the couple in censuses; no children's births registered; couldn't identify Joseph in baptisms though his father was Joshua a somewhat unusual name (he's not the Joseph son of Joshua chr 1817 in Wigan).

John Hibbert

Lewis Rigby

Ann Rigby

folio 6 page 5

Ellen Shaw 35 N

Not profiled - maiden name could be Butter or Butler. Marriage images checked - the banns record really does look more like Butler (both letters crossed but second is a clear loop) while the marriage record name and her signature both resemble Butter (both letters crossed and no loop visible on either). Born abt 1801 Birmingham per 1851; not found after 1851, may have died 1858 aged 63 & bur 6 Nov 1858 St Thomas, Eccleston abode Windle. No suitable marriages or better-age-matching deaths Prescot 1851-61. There are lots of Butter marriages in Birmingham.

William Shaw 13 N

Not profiled. Likely a nephew, but there are several christenings of William Shaws in 1828 in Cheshire. Not in St Helens in 1851. No deaths Prescot 1841-51 the right age.

William Ormerod 21 Painter Y //

Not profiled - not identified reliably in other records.

No marriages/deaths Prescot or Liverpool 1841-51.

Possible match in 1851 in Surrey? but he's a block printer and the 1841 is clearly written as painter.

No promising census matches 1861-1881

No baptisms in St Helens area found

folio 7 page 6

Penelope Jane Candlish

Caroline Hester Candlish

Joseph Healwood

Elizabeth Hilton 30 Servant Y

Not profiled, might be easier to identify later. No marriages/deaths Prescot 1841-51,

not in St Helens and single 1851, no baptism matches in Prescot

Elizabeth Coolston 16 Servant Y //

Not profiled, might be easier to identify later

Mary Davies 20 Servant Y

Not profiled, might be easier to identify later

folio 7 page 7

Ann Virgus [or Virgers?] 15 Y //

Not profiled - no clear match in other records. Surname possibly Virgo, Vergers or Vigus as the closest plausible surnames found

folio 8 page 8

Margaret O Bryan 70 Servant I /

Not profiled, not enough information. Possibly John's mother.

John Plant

Andrew McCornuck 30 Blacksmith I

Not profiled - identity uncertain

2 possible matches in the USA who're blacksmiths, both a bit on the young side:

this guy in Ohio

this guy in Erie, NY previously in Canada with possible match in Toronto in 1861

folio 8 page 9

Thomas Barnes 45 Founder Y

Not profiled; not identified with any certainty in other records. Best match is a baptism 28 Apr 1829 of Thomas son of Thos & Eliz (brass founder, Pall Mall) at St Peter Liverpool, but might not be them. There are some potential marriages but none jump out. Not found 1851 or 1861 in St Helens. No deaths Prescot for either of them 1841-51.

Elizabeth Barnes 45 Y

Not profiled; not identified with any certainty in other records.

William Hughes 2 Y //

Not profiled; identity uncertain. If registered Prescot, mmn is Lappin. Not found in 1851.

folio 9 page 10

Elizabeth Bolton

William Bolton

Thomas Bolton

Alice Hooton 10 Y

Not profiled - not matched reliably in other records

William Simpson 22 Clerk N //

Not profiled - not matched in other records. No deaths Prescot 1841-51 of suitable age, not in St Helens 1851, no possible marriages in Prescot before Mar qtr 1851

Richard Emery

Mary Emery

Frances Emery

Emma Lowe 8 N //

Not profiled - unidentified

folio 9 page 11

Matthias Jones

Sarah Jones

Margaret Thompson 13 Servant Y //

Not profiled - identity uncertain

Mary Latham 25 Y

Not profiled - identity uncertain. Not found in 1851 in St Helens unless she's the wife of Peter Latham there.

No age-matching deaths in Prescot 1841-51.

One possible marriage in 1842 in Huyton to Robert Bradley (widowed labourer); couple not traced (not matched in 1851, no children's birth registrations found)

folio 10 page 12

N K 45 Cotton spinner N //

Not profiled, identity unknown

Ellen Daniels 40 Y

Not profiled - maiden name uncertain

George Hodgin 25 Plumber & Glazier N

Not profiled, identity uncertain

1851 census of St Helens has a William Hodgin b 1807 Blackburn, labourer

Only 1851 match who's a plumber & glazier is this George Hodgson (1861)

but there's a likely marriage in 1832 in Bramham to Ann Chambers which aligns with another 1841 record in Bramham.

William Reynolds 35 Plumber & Glazier Y //

Not profiled - not matched in other records

folio 10 page 13

Chas McCloglin 26 Laborer I

Not profiled, identity uncertain - possibly the Charles McLaughlin who married Martha Ferguson in 1846 and their Catholic marriage and children's christenings are listed on FS - this is them in 1861. But there are a number of possible matches for Charles in North America.

Mary McCloglin 50 I

Not profiled, identity uncertain. If their ages were instead 37 and 30, which are both plausible misreads from the original though the enumeration book copy clearly has their ages as transcribed, then Charles could have died in West Derby Sep q 1849 aged 45, and Mary could have married John Roby on 15 Jul 1850 at St Thomas, Eccleston. Mary was born 1810 Ireland per 1851.

folio 11 page 14

James Welsh 25 Laborer I

Likely this guy in 1851 but not matched in 1861 unless he's this guy, who's not a great match.

Roger Rooney 45 Laborer I //

Likely match in 1851 doesn't give a lot to base a profile on. Possibly the same guy as this in 1871? but maybe not since not found in 1861.

Peter Garry 25 Laborer I

Not profiled - not matched in other records. No more possible kids in Prescot before 1847, no deaths, so probably moved away, likely emigrated

Catherine Garry 25 I

Not profiled - not matched in other records

John Garry 10 I

Not profiled - not matched in other records

Catherine Garry 3 Y

Not profiled - not matched in other records - possible birth reg GARLEY, CATHERINE DUNN GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 647

Rose Garry 3 Mths Y

Birth reg:

GARREY, ROSE ...

GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 699

Aside from this not matched reliably in other records

folio 11 page 15

folio 17 page 26

James Tickle 53 Laborer Y

Hannah Tickle

Dinah Tickle 11 Y

James Tickle 7 Y

Ellen Tickle 4 Y

Catherine Tickle 2 Y

folio 17 page 27

Ellen Houghton

folio 26 page 4

John Rigby

folio 27 page 6

[ Edward Welden]

Jane Welden

[ John Welden]

Alice Welden

[ Betsey Welden]

James Foster

[ Mary Foster]

[ John Jackson]

[ Margaret Jackson]

[ Caroline Jackson]

[ James Jackson]

[ Elizabeth Jackson]

folio 28 page 8

Ann Heald 48 Y

Couldn't find the Healds in later censuses, or local deaths or marriages.

Also searched intensively for Peter internationally on FS, and checked out filiations & the NA.

Haven't yet tried tracing the Bates past 1841

Betsey Heald 12 Y

Peter Heald 9 Y /

William Bate 18 Miner Y

Margaret Bate 20 Y //

Notes on this family:

Ann's first marriage:

Banns: St Mary, Prescot, Lancashire, England Thomas Yeal - Eccleston Ann Bate - Eccleston Banns Read: 6 Dec 1835, 2nd: 13 Dec 1835, 3rd: 20 Dec 1835 Notes: [Groom's name is Heald at marriage] Register: Banns 1813 - 1837, Page 269 Source: LDS Film 1657598

Marriage: 28 Dec 1835 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Thomas Heald - (X), Collier, widower, Eccleston Ann Bate - (X), widow, Eccleston Witness: Joseph Back, (X); Ann Back, (X) Married by Banns by: CGT Driffield Register: Marriages 1830 - 1837, Page 132, Entry 396 Source: LDS Film 1657584 item 12

There were two James & Ann Bates who married a few years apart and it's quite difficult to disentangle them. The other James was still alive in 1841; notes about them are under piece 517-10 folio 11 page 16.

1841: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ2G-YLF

Children's baptisms:

Baptism: 20 Apr 1817 St Helen (formerly St Mary), St Helens, Lancashire, England Margaret Bate - Daughter of James Bate & Ann Abode: Windle Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: T. Pigot Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1824 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page [113], Entry 901 Source: LDS Film 1469036

Baptism: 22 Feb 1824 St Helen (formerly St Mary), St Helens, Lancashire, England William Bate - Son of James Bate & Ann Abode: Hardshaw Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: T. Pigot Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1824 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page [290], Entry 2317 Source: LDS Film 1469036

1841 census transcription:

Mount Pleas't., Green Bank, Eccleston Ann Heald 48 Y Betsey Heald 12 Y Peter Heald 9 Y / William Bate 18 Miner Y Margaret Bate 20 Y //

Possible first marriages for Ann:

Marriage: 11 Sep 1810 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England James Bate - (X), This Parish Ann Hamblett - (X), This Parish Witness: John Hurst; Ireland Arrowsmith Banns Read: 19 Aug 1810, 2nd: 26 Aug 1810, 3rd: 2 Sep 1810 Married by Banns by: J. Topping Curate Register: Marriages 1802 - 1812, Page 290, Entry 727 Source: LDS Film 1562958

Marriage: 5 Sep 1814 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England James Bate - (X), Farmer, this Parish Ann Mather - (X), Spinster, this Parish Witness: William Harrison; William Kidd Married by Banns by: William Thompson - Minister Register: Marriages 1813 - 1824, Page 19, Entry 56 Source: LDS Film 1655235 item 5

folio 31 page 15

Thomas Evans

folio 34 page 21

folio 38 page 29

Henry Tickle

Mary Priestly

folio 41 page 35

Hester Flannigan

folio 44 page 40

Mary Murrow dtr of Joseph Alexander Murrow (1806-1880)

Martha Kirkpatrick

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1841 piece 516-08

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1841 census of Eccleston, Lancashire, piece 516-08

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