Ancestors Nisbet of West Nisbet

Date: [unknown] [unknown]
Location: Scotland
Surname/tag: Nisbet Nesbitt

Claimed ancestors

• Male line connection to Gospatrick is full of errors see https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Property%20Nisbet%20and%20family%20de%20Soulis and https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Property%20Nisbet%20and%20family%20Melsonby
• Aldan is not a known proven ancestor. Often claimed. in 1139 King David I confirmed a charter (now in the archives of Durham Cathedral) granting the lands of Nisbet to Aldan de Nisbet, the founder of the line of Nisbet of Nisbet (i.e. Nisbet of that Ilk). This Aldan who is often claimed as an ancestor along the line from Goapatric, was actual only a witness for Gospatric, to the old charters. He was in these charters called “Alden the stewart of Gospatric”. There is nothing that indicates he was a Nisbet or any Nisbets descended from him.
• Earls of Dunbar are closer related to the Nisbets of Greenholm than Nisbet of that ilk and are not ancestors of either.

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Problem

• Adam alive in 1480. Adam has been said to have been father of Philip 1444-1523 who was married to Elene Rutherfuird, but this must be another Philip. Adam Nisbet of West Nisbet is mentioned in a charter of 1442. By this charter dated at Haddington 1st July 1442 Patrick Macdowell of Logan conveyed to Philip, son of Adam Nisbet of West Nisbet, omnes terras meas de Reycleuch, the reddendo being one half of a pair of gloves or two pennies Scots. Raecleuch remained in the possession of the Nisbets until the ruin of the family in the days of the Stuarts

His CLAIMED SON Phillip Nisbet b.ca 1444-1523 married Elene Rutherfuird (His son Adam inherited by 1523 Service of Adam Nisbet of that Ilk as heir to his father in the lands of Nisbet Otterburn Over & Nether Recleughs and Mordington dated 14 Nov 1523)

If it is this Philip that was claimed to received the lands of Reycleuch in 1442. He would to be conveyed these lands have to have been of age by 1442 and couldn’t have been born in 1444 and would have been almost or more than 100 yrs old when he died in 1523 possible but not probable

Note: RC Nesbitt does not include Adam in the pedigree, but stops at Philip and Elene Rutherford- Nisbet of that Ilk

Oldest proven ancestors

• PHILIP N of that Ilk *1444 +1523 He married Elene Rutherford

PHILIP Nisbet of that ilk, born 1444, married Elene Rutherfuird, the second daughter of Robert Rutherfuird of Chatto by his wife Margaret, daughter of Sir Samuel Glendonwyn of that ilk. He received a knighthood and in 1489 he served upon an inquest held at Edinburgh. He was one of the representatives of the County of Berwick in the parliament held at Perth on 26th November, 1513. The last notice observed of Sir Philip is as witness to a charter by John Swinton of that ilk to Marion Home of certain lands in the county of Berwick in life-rent 21st October, 1522. He died in 1523.^[1]

• • ADAM N of that Ilk *1469 eldest son died 1530 married Lucie Rutherford. Heir to his father 1523. Adam Nisbet of that Ilk born 1469 eldest son. He appears to have met a violent death in 1530, as on 22nd June of that year a respite is granted to Matthew Hamilton, son to Robert Hamilton in Mylneburn, and Duncan Dundas, brother to James Dundas in New Liston, for airt and pairt in the slaughter of Adam Nisbet of that ilk.

Adam Nisbet and his wife received on 20th May 1502 a crown charter of the lands of Auchinhay, in the stewartry of Kirkcudbright. On 14th May 1523 he was served heir to his father in the lands of Nisbet, Otterburn, Over and Nether Raecleuchs, and Mordington. He was witness to a conveyance by Stephen Tailyefeir, merchant burgess of Edinburgh, to George Cairns in Nuntoun and Mariote Makcullock, his spouse, of the lands of Myddilthrid de Kirkcormack in Kirkcudbrightshire, 5th December 1524. He supported the red Douglases in their struggle with king James V., and on 16th April 1529 he, with his son Philip, was put to the horn for non-compearance to a charge of intercommuning with and assisting Archibald, earl of Angus, George Douglas, his brother, and Archibald Douglas, their uncle (Kilspindie), in their treasonable deeds. He was again denounced for assistance rendered to Archibald, earl of Angus, in raising the siege of the castle of Newark. He was married to Lucie Rutherford. ^[2] Letters of horning (Scots law): a document (i.e., letters) issued by civil authorities that publicly denounce a person as a rebel. The document was issued against persons who had not paid their debts. Historically, the documents would be announced by three blasts of a horn, and the documents themselves came to be known as "letters of horning". A person who was denounced in these documents was described as having been "put to the horn". Put to the horn: (obs. Scots law) to outlaw by three blasts of the horn at the Cross of Edinburgh To hold and to have the said lands, with their pertinents, by the said Philip, his heirs and assignees, of the Lord of Drylton in fee and heritage forever

ADAM NISBET, of that ilk, born 1469, eldest son of Sir Philip Nisbet (1) married Lucie Rutherfurd, daughter of George Rutherfurd of Hundalee. He was served heir to his father on the 14th May 1523. He supported the red Douglases in their struggle with King James V (1513-1542), father of Mary Queen of Scots, and on 16th April 1529, he, with his son Philip, was put to the horn for non-compearance to a charge of intercommuning with and assisting Archibald, Earl of Angus and the Douglases in their treasonable deeds. He appears to have met a violent death in 1530. ^[3] "To "put to the horn" in old Scots law; was to denounce as a rebel and outlaw for non-appearance at a court to answer a summons; the culprit was proclaimed at the Great Cross in Edinburgh, together with three blasts of a horn and other formalities. A similar process was in vogue in executions on property for judicially established debts."

Berwik. Fol. 185 Vicecomes de Berwik respondebit pro x tt. de firmis terrarum ville et torritorii de Westnesbitt cum turre, fortalicio, et molendinis earundem jacentium infra balliam suam existentium in minibus regis termini Sancti Martini ultimo preteriti sasina non recuperata, et pro xx tt. de relevio earundem, ac pro xxx s de firmis dimedietatis terrarum de Otterburn cum pertinentiis existentium in manibus regis per dictum tempus ratione qua supra, et pro iij tt. de relevio ejusdem regi debitis per sasinam datam Ade Nesbitt de eisdem. Apud Edinburgh xxix Januarii anno regni regis undecimo.

1. 613 Vol. 15. 1523-1529 Regum Scotorum in Latin

extract translation from Latin 1523-4 Sasine to Adam Nisbet of Wester Nisbet and half of Otterburn Territory of West Nesbit in sheriffdom of Berwick with fortalice tower and mills in the hands of the king for 10 li.. The last sasine to be taken was not recovered in the past year, and for the 20 li. of the relief the same, and with the appurtenances, in place of 30 s to the existing things in the hands of the king of half of the countries of the Otterburn, for 3 li. relief due to the same sasine to Adam Nesbitt. At Edinburgh 19 January. (The property was leased at a fixed rent in return for which the tenant receives the profits of the estate. Relief was paid by the heir out of his own purse (A payment made by an heir of a deceased vassal to the feudal superior for his recognition as lawful successor to the deceased vassal.)( fortalice a small fort or outwork of a fortification)

• • • Philip (Nisbet) Nisbet of that Ilk (abt.1500-bef.1535) Philip Nisbet of that Ilk died before 1535, and was the eldest son of Adam Nisbet of that Ilk and Lucie Rutherfurd. He married November 1524, first to Mariota Hoppringill, daughter of William Hoppringill (Pringel) of Torwoodlie, . He married, secondly, Isobel Home, daughter of David Home of Wedderburn and his wife Alison Douglas, sister of Archibald (Bell-the-Cat), fifth earl of Angus. The second alliance no doubt explains the assistance given by the Nisbets to the Douglases in the struggles of the latter with King James V. His two eldest sons, Adam and George succeeded him. He held land in chief and from the earl of Huntly. [1]

Sources

1. ↑ ref Nisbet of that Ilk by Robert Chancellor Nesbitt
2. ↑ Alexander Nisbet’s Heraldic Plates introduction and notes Genealogical and Heraldic by Andrew Ross, Marchmont Herald, & Francis J Grant, Carrick Pursuivant published Edinburgh MDCCCXCIL 1892 Lairds and Gentlemen: A study of the Landed Families of the Eastern Anglo-Scottish Borders ca 1540-1603 by Maureen Manuel Meikle PH. D. University of Edinburgh Nov 1988
3. ↑ Nisbet of that Ilk by Robert Chancellor Nesbitt