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Ancestry of the Hawle family of Sussex, England

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Biography

Research on the Hawle/Halle/Hall/Haule family mainly of Ore, Sussex. Their pedigree and arms are listed under "Hawle" in the Visitations of Sussex but they are mostly found as "Halle" in Close Rolls, deeds and other records.

Note that the de Ore and Hawle/Halle/Hale/Hall family of "Halland in Hothly", Sussex were connected by marriage in 1384 and by geography around Ore, Guestling, Hoathly, Wootton in Kent and the Isle of Wight. See the de Ore Free Space Page for information on that family.

Unfortunately the Visitations of Sussex made a critical set of mistakes with the "Hawle" pedigree (it was mistaken in the Echingham, Fiennes and Peckham pedigrees as well) viz:

  1. The son & heir of the first of the line was not a second Richard, it was John Halle the Elder (or Senior in some records). This John was the father of William "of Ore". The Visitation did not name John at all but he is well-documented as "John Halle of Ore, Esq." in multiple appearances and "History of Parliament"[1] describes John Halle the MP as son of Richard of "East Hothley". This missing John who was usually found as "John Halle, Senior" or "the Elder" to differentiate him from his younger brother "John Halle Junior/the Younger" married Amice, daughter of Richard Ore "of Ore" which is how the Ore family arms were merged with the Hawle arms.
  2. Richard the first did not marry "Anne, daughter of John of Ore", he married Agnes of an unknown origin. These corrections come from court records and IPMs and so are more reliable than Visitation interviews about ancestors long-dead.

The Hall family (spelling obviously varies) pedigree appears in the "Visitation of Sussex" with Goddard & siblings being the last generation shown.[2] Hawle arms are described as Arms. — Quarterly : 1, Sable three talbots' heads erased argent [Hawle] ; 2, Gules, a bend argent, fretty azure [Ore] ; 3 and 4, [blank]. Interestingly, there is a brief paragraph entry for the Hall pedigree in the "Visitations of Essex" since the family moved there from Ore. The Essex entry clarifies that Ore is actually in Sussex and that the family's full pedigree appears in that county.

The family appears frequently with the Ashbournham family of Sussex & Kent as well as in maritime commerce (representatives to the Cinque Ports, collectors of port duties at Dover etc as detailed on individual profiles). They acquired some properties such as Guestling and Westdean apparently through marriage to Amice de Ore but sold these properties in Sussex and removed to Essex by the time of Goddard and his father William.

There were "de Halles" in Lancashire, Northumberland, at Little Grimsby in Lincolnshire and in York (Robert of Carleton, John de Hale, knight and wife Alice among others) who are not dealt with here. In particular, a pair of incidents in 1319 and 1320 firm up a link between Henry Halle of Gatscomb, Isle of Wight and John Halle of Sussex as contemporaries and most likely brothers or close relatives.

Proposed Lineage

  1. Richard born c.1330, married to Agnes, known as "Richard of Hothley" (or "Halland in Hothley". Oldest generation shown in Visitations of Sussex. The best candidate found so far would be John who appears as a person of some substance in Sussex in the early 1300s (presented to the church at Selsey, holding lands for a French abbot during the war at the request of the king).
  2. John Senior, Esquire, "of Ore" born c.1360, married Amice de Ore, daughter of Richard de Ore, son & heir of John de Ore. First Hall to appear as "of Ore" in records. This is the missing John in Visitations which mistakenly shows another Richard with no known wife.
  3. Following generations fairly well known William to Henry to Robert to William to Goddard, the last generation shown in Visitations.

Timeline Records

Records appear as Halle, "atte Halle" as well as Hale. Review back to the Close Rolls of Henry III have not revealed any helpful clues for Richard's origins. There may be some connection to the Isle of Wight; a "hobeler" (light cavalry) Thomas atte Hale was found there in the Close Rolls in the early 1200s as part of the King's defense.

  • 20 Oct 1313 in what might be a different family or branch, an order to the escheator "on this side of Trent" to take into the king's hand the lands late of Henry atte Halle, deceased, tenant in chief.[3] There were some "de Hall"s appearing well north of Kent & Sussex in Lancashire and elsewhere but what specific lands are not listed here.
  • 21 Apr 1318 Order to take into the king's hand the lands which Maud late the wife of William de Hale held of the inheritance of Robert, son & heir of Robert de Hale, a minor in the king's ward. This is confusing as to whether the young Robert is son of William or of Robert. The followup entry on 10 Jul 1318 said that Robert the son & heir of William de Hale had done fealty to the king so the lands & chattel of his father which Robert's mother Maud had held in dower of Robert's inheritance were given to young Robert. So now Robert is described as son & heir of William.[4] Again this could be the Lancashire "de Halle" family.
  • 11 Oct 1319 several men including Henry AND John atte Hale of the Isle of Wight are accused by John de Dummere of Bromleigh, Dorset that they burned his granges & houses and assaulted his servants.[5]
  • 23 Aug 1320 John atte Hale of Sussex and several other men are accused of entering the manor of la Coudreye by Midhurst (Sussex), breaking the gates, doors & windows of the house, assaulted her servants etc by Joan, late the wife of John de Bohun of Midhurst. This would seem to be this John de Bohun of Midhurst, Knight but why John Halle of Sussex would do this is unclear. On the other hand, it helps link John Halle of Sussex with the same behavior a year earlier by John Halle of Isle of Wight and Henry Halle of Isle of Wight. A Simon atte Halle of Sussex stood accused, along with other men of murdering William de Alta Ripa on 1 June 1319 in the Patent Rolls so perhaps this was a troublesome family. Or perhaps the "atte Halle" designation here is used for someone who was a servant or worker at the local manor hall and who's last name was not known.
  • 3 Jun 1320 a Richard de Hale is listed in the Patent Rolls of 13 Edw. II as going beyond the seas on the king's service but with no location listed there is no way to connect the record directly to Richard of Hothley.
  • 27 Jul 1337 John "atte Hale" of Sussex appears in a list of people who owe rent to Master Edmund Everard, proctor of the abbot of Ivry or Yveri.[6] (earliest appearance in Fine Rolls)
  • 5 Oct 1338 John atte Hale of Sussex listed as a mainpernor (someone who assures a writ will be paid or a person will appear in court) along with John de Graveneye who say they will "pay the said rent and not withdraw the goods of the priory" (during the process of disposing of lands, goods etc belonging to the priory of St. Mary du Rocher, Mortain).[7]
  • 30 Aug 1339 A request from the men defending the Isle of Wight from the French (part of the buildup to the Battle of Sluys in 1340 including Henry atte Hale saying that the King needed to start paying for the defense and that the men holding it could not pay amounts to the King (Edward III). The request said "...that a great fleet from beyond seas is gathered at the said isle and other places of the realm to invade the same, for which cause the king must pour forth a large sum of money for the defence of the said isle..."[8]
  • 4 May 1351 Order to the escheator of Southampton to investigate the lands of Richard atte Hale who held by knight service of the heir of John de Insula of Gatcomb(e), a minor in the king's ward.[9] Gatcomb is on the Isle of Wight so we have another Halle presence there and Richard would have recently died. Presumably the Isle of Wight fell under the jurisdiction of Southampton at the time. Followup on 26 Jul 1356 Close Rolls Membrane 14 Vol. 7 p. 10 stating that Robert atte Hale, son & heir of the late Richard atte Hale would continue to hold by knight's service the inheritance of the heir of John de Gatcomb, still a minor in the king's ward "and so from heir to heir" paying rent of 1/2 mark yearly in two equal portions to be paid in the Exchequer instead of as previously arranged in the king's chamber.
  • 26 Dec 1355 presentation of John de Hale to the Selleseye church in the diocese of Chichester "in the king's gift by reason of the late voidance of the see" (presumably no bishop at Chichester and "Selleseye" being Selsey Abbey south of Chichester which dates to 681).[10]
  • 1375 William Halle of Sussex basically a stay of arrest issued, maybe a brother of oldest known Richard Close Rolls of Edw III A William atte Halle attested to the birth year of an heir in Sussex at Chichester in 1368 stating that he was 51 years old so born 1317. Whether this was the same William and whether he was brother of or related to Richard of Wroathley was not clarified.

No Halle appearances in Sussex Feet of Fines 1190-1307.

Richard Atte Hal(l)e and Gatscomb, Isle of Wight

As noted briefly above a Richard Hal(l)e (the two spellings interchange frequently) held land and manors at the Isle of Wight and held Gatscomb for the minor heir of John de Insula. The IPM of Richard (writ issued 4 May 1351, 25 Edw. III) is extensive and delves into Richard's ancestry, the disputed division of the manor of Hale into Northale and Southale and who exactly owned what when.[11]

Richard died 4 Apr 1349 (23 Edw III) and his heir was Robert age 2 was his heir. A subsequent hearing in 1353 a year later lists Robert as age 3 so he was apparently born about the time his father died. The case makes for fascinating reading; from a genealogical perspective the key elements are the dates of death of Richard and his son & heir Robert and that the manor of Hale was held by William atte Hale of the lord of the manor of Gatcomb "in the time of King Henry III" which unfortunately spans 1216-1272.

William had two daughters & heirs, Joan and Annora. Joan received Southale and Annor Northale. Joan married a de Godynton, it passed to son William to Robert to Robert to Margery who married Adam Brabason and was the one who brought suit in 1351. Annor had a son John Michel, his son Henry atte Hale, his son & heir the Richard atte Hale who died 1349, his son & heir Robert. No other property of this family was listed, so whether and how they were connected to the Halles of Hoathley is not resolved. If we guess that Richard was born about 1280, that his father Henry about 1250, his father John Michel about 1220, his mother Annor about 1190, her father William atte Hale about 1160 then say he was 60 in 1220 in the time of King Henry III when William held the manor of Hale. Close enough for government work.

Sources

  1. The History of Parliament Online HALLE, John II (d.1434), of Pebsham and Hellingly, Suss. Published in The History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1386-1421, ed. J.S. Roskell, L. Clark, C. Rawcliffe., 1993 John Halle entry
  2. Visitations of Sussex 1530, 1633-34 Authors Thomas Benoit, John Philpot etc pub. 1905 at archive.org Hawle pedigree page 11 Armigerous pedigree of descendants of Robert Hawle of Hawland in Hothly in Sussex and his wife Anne Ore, daughter & heir of John Ore of Ore in Sussex.
  3. Calendar of the Fine Rolls, vol. 2, Edward II, A.D. 1307-1319. (1912). Membrane 13 p. 181
  4. Calendar of the Fine Rolls, vol. 2, Edward II, A.D. 1307-1319. (1912). Membrane 16 p. 368
  5. Calendar of the patent rolls preserved in the Public Record Office : Edward II, A.D. 1307-[1327] by Great Britain. Public Record Office Publication date 1894 Vol. 3 Membrane 7d p. 488
  6. Calendar of the Fine Rolls, vol. 5, Edward III, A.D. 1337-1347. (1915). Fine Rolls 11 Edw III Membrane 20 p. 35
  7. Ibid Fine Rolls of Edw III Membrane 14 p. 95
  8. Calendar of the Fine Rolls, vol. 5, Edward III, A.D. 1337-1347. (1915). Membrane 10 pp. 141-142
  9. Calendar of the Fine Rolls, vol. 6, Edward III, A.D. 1347-1356. (1921). [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015017688956&seq=298 Membrane 2 p. 286
  10. Calendar of the patent rolls preserved in the Public record office / prepared under the superintendence of the deputy keeper of the records 1343-1345 Edward III v. 6 Membrane 8 p. 373
  11. Calendar of inquisitions post mortem and other analogous documents preserved in the Public Record Office by Great Britain. Public Record Office; Kirby, J. L. (John Lavan); White, Andrew Dickson, 1832-1918. Publication date 1904 Item 643 p. 434 Richard Atte Alle of Isle of Wight IPM




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