Cecily (Unknown) Farrar - Relationship Theories

Date: 1600 [unknown]
Location: Colony of Virginia

Surnames/tags: Bailey Jordan Farrrar

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See Cecily (Unknown) Farrar (1600-aft.1637).

Research Notes

Needs Style Review: Much of this content was copied verbatim from Mayes without clear attribution.^[1] Review, reliably source, and rewrite or quote. —Spratlin-29 16:29, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Unknown Parents

There are several conflicting theories regarding Cecily's parents:

Thomas Reynolds & Cecily Phippen of Dorcetshire, England
Thomas Reynolds & Jane Phippen Reynolds Pierce
Joan Phippen, twin sister of Jane Phippen Reynolds Pierce
William Fludd & Alice Manning
William Bouldin & Mary
Greene

Purported Parents - Reynolds

The most popular myth of all is that she was Cecily Reynolds, daughter of Thomas Reynolds and Cecily Phippen (Fitzpen) and sister of Christopher Reynolds, arriving in America in 1610 with her mother and brother.^[1]

Amazingly the Reynolds' daughter Cecily is listed in numerous Ancestral File and IGI records in the LDS Family Search files as born in 1575, 1586, 1594, 1595, 1600, 1601 & 1605, and all with absolutely no sources to support the dates given. Some alternately list her mother as Jane Phippen, a twin, rather than Cecily Phippen; some list any one of a combination of five supposed husbands, and Cecily's death dates also vary just as widely: 1610, 1620, 1637, 1656, 1659, 12 Sep 1660, 1662 & 1677.^[1]

The problem with the theory of Cecily being Thomas Reynolds and Cecily Phippen's daughter Cecily was that the most plausible records place her birth circa 1575-1586 with a death date as early as 1610-20, therefore she was about a generation older than our Cecily (born 1600) and died young. Another variation speculates that Cecily was the first "Reynolds" to reach America, arriving in 1610, with "Uncle Billy Pierce" actually her cousin, but he arrived on the ship "Seaventure" about 1609-10 along with Samuel Jordan, of whom there is also speculation of a family connection. But some say the "Seaventure" passenger was Silvester Jourdain, not Samuel Jordan. Christopher Reynolds arrived on the ship "John & Francis" in 1622.^[1]

Note that Cecily Phippen is said to have been baptized in 1593, which would rule out all of the proposed birthdates for her proposed (but presumably fictitious) daughter Cecily Reynolds, and would make it impossible for Cecily Phippen to be the grandmother of Temperance Bailey.

This all begins with a simple confusion of maiden and married names. William Farrar appears in the 1624 and 1625 listings alongside "Sisley Jordan". This of course was not her maiden name; this Cicely had that surname only in America. Nevertheless, the English heralds' visitation books were duly trawled for a Cicely Jordan. And one was found, as the mother of Rev. George Phippen (self-styled "Fitzpen"), rector of Truro, in the 1620 Visitation of Cornwall.

This coincidence is the only "connection" between the immigrants and the Phippens. But there's no basis here to expect or propose any relationship with Cicely (___) Jordan in Virginia. In fact, if the Cicely Jordan in the Visitation pedigree were related to anybody in Virginia at all, clearly it would more probably be Samuel Jordan than his wife.

Purported Parents - Fludd

For this theory, see "New Parents Found for Cecily Jordan Farrar?" by Jim Farmer.^[2]

This theory purports:

Cecily is the daughter of William Fludd and Alice Manning of Chichester, Sussex England.
Cecily was christened there on 29 July 1595. [rather than about 1600.]
William and Alice also had children Edward, William, John, Thomas and Richard.
Cecily is a cousin of the John Fludd who also sailed to Virginia on the Swan in 1610 [presumably August 1611].
Cecily is a sibling of the John Fludd Jr. named in a patent for land issued by John.

Musters of the Inhabitants in Virginia.^[3]
1624/5.
…
Jordans Jorney. Charles Cittie
The MUSTER of the Inhabitant's of Jordans Jorney taken the 21th of January 1624[/5]
…
The MUSTER of John FLUDD

JOHN FLUDD arrrived in the Swan 1610 [probably August 1611 instead]

MARGETT his wife in the Supply 1620

FRANCES FINCH her daughter in the Supply 1620

WILLIAM FLUDD his sonn aged 3 week's

This theory appears to be circumstantial, based on names only, lacking a reliable record that definitively connects the Fludds in Chichester, Sussex, England, to the Fludds in Virginia. —Spratlin-29 02:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Purported Parents - Bouldin

SPECULATION: Going back some 50 years before Cecily's birth - The "Will of John Yerdely of Myles Grene" of Audeley, County Stafford, England, dated in 1558 and proved in 1559, it names "Cicilye my wife" and "John GERNETT, my son in law", and the Will of Ralph Yerdley of Audeley, County Stafford, Gentleman, dated 1587, and proved in 1588, not only states that the testator's father was "William Yerdeley, gentleman" and that his brothers are John and George Yerdley, but he was also appointed as one of the executors of a "kinsman" named "William BOULTON" (Boulding?). -- The significance of these names, besides "Cicilye" Yerdley, mentioned in these wills is that there were two men with the surnames - "Bouldinge" and "Garnett" who arrived on the Swan in 1610 along with Cecily and are listed in the 1624/25 Virginia Muster.^[1]

Sir George Yeardley was the son of Ralph Yardley, citizen and merchant tailor London; and Sir George Yeardley's brother was Ralph Yardley, "citizen and Apothecarie of London". Exactly what was the link between the Yerdley's of Staffordshire and the Yardley's or Yearle's of London is not known but it is likely that there was some tie of kinship between them both and the little girl "Sislye" who sailed for Virginia in the Swan in 1610.^[1]

Two of her fellow passengers on that boat were Thomas Garnett, a servant of the famous Indian fighter Captain William Powell, and one Thomas Boulding (Bouldin), who was then 26 years old. Neither of them could have been Sislye's father, but the name Thomas Garnett is strangely reminiscent of "Thomas Gernett" who more than 50 years before was the son-in-law of John Yerdley and his wife "Cicilye", and there is a close resemblance between Thomas Boulding's name and that of Ralphe Yerdley's "kinsman" William Bouldin. Perhaps William Bouldin (Boulding), yeoman, who, together with his wife Mary, also came to Virginia in 1610, (whether in the Swan or on another ship) was Sislye's father, but nothing more is known of this couple from the day they came ashore. Not so, however with Thomas Boulding (Bouldin, Bolding, Bolden) "of Elizabeth Cittie County, yeoman and ancient planter, and Thomas Garnett, for both of them gradually acquired tracts of land in Virginia and were apparently living side by side as late as 1635.^[1]

Furthermore, based on naming patterns and proximity Cecily seems to have had a close connection to Governor and Lady Yeardley - Temperance Flowerdew, who became Lady Yeardley, and arrived in Virginia in 1609 on the "Falcon" (her husband and Samuel Jordan were aboard the ill-fated ship "Seaventure", presumed lost at sea, but joyfully to all arriving in May 1610). Temperance Flowerdew and Cecily may have been related or simply became friends. Whatever the connection Cecily's first child Temperance Bailey was believed to be the namesake of Temperance Flowerdew.^[1]

Purported LNAB - Greene

Some researchers have assumed her maiden name was Greene because there was apparently a Cecily Greene listed in "Hakluyt's List of Immigrants to Virginia" before 1624.^[4]

There are actually two other Sisleys listed in Virginia in the 1624 List and 1625 Muster at the same time as Cecily:^[5]

1624 List: Living, At James Cittye and w'th the Corporacon therof: Sisley Greene.
1625 Muster: Neck-of-Land, Charles Cittie, The Muster of Allexander Bradway, Sisley his wife aged 28 yeres in the Jonathan May 1620.

The Sisley Greene in the 1624 List is presumably the same peson as Cecily Greene in Hakluyt's list.

Sisley Greene and Sisley Bradway are therefore almost certainly not Cecily Jordan Farrar.

Marriages

Generally Accepted Marriage - Baley

[write a summary of the circumstantial case for this marriage; reassess its level of certainty]

See Davis^[6] and Southall.^[7]

There were Bayleys at Roanoke, Virginia, and a William Bayley, Gentleman, arrived on the first supply ship on 2 January 1607/8. Thomas Bayley was a Governor's Guard under William Pierce, and died of malaria in 1620. Cecily first married as a teenager at Capt. Pierce's home to a Bayley.^{[citation needed]} His given name is unknown, but thought to be Thomas. They had the one daughter, Temperance Bayley.

Shortly after her husband died, Cecily married secondly to Samuel JORDAN, who was Joan Pierce's cousin.^{[citation needed]}

There is circumstantial evidence that Cecily, at about age 16, married her first husband, had daughter Temperance Baley from this union about 1617, and was widowed before 1620. Even though solid proof is lacking, it is generally accepted as fact that Cecily was the mother of Temperance Baley based on the two Musters of Jordan's Journey of 16 February 1623/4, and 21 January 1624/5, land patents and deeds, and Wills in the Cocke family into which Temperance Baley married. Lineage societies accept the descendants of Temperance Baley Cocke as proven.^[1]

Speculation: Without stating any sources for the following details some researchers have written that Cecily's first husband was either John or Thomas Bailey, who came to Virginia in 1612, sponsored by William Pierce … he was a young member of the Governor's Guard stationed at Jamestown … He and Cecily were supposedly married in the home of William Pierce in Jamestown … The young couple lived at Bailey's Point, Bermuda Hundred … and Bailey died of malaria shortly after the marriage. There are no records to support these details, only the existence of Temperance Bailey.^[1]

Possible (unconfirmed) 1st husband for Cecily Jordan: Thomas Bailey was born in 1596 in Dorsetshire, England. He died on 20 Sep 1620 in Jamestown, Va. He (unconfirmed) married Cecily in 1616 in Charles City, Henrico Co., Va.^{[citation needed]}

Purported Marriage - Montague

Peter Montague Sr. (1603-1659), referred to as Peter I here, left a Will naming "my loving wife Cicely." Some assume this Cicely to be Cecily (Unknown) Farrar (1600-aft.1637).

In his Will, Peter I also names a son Peter Montague (abt.1631-1702), referred to as Peter II here. That son Peter II also had a son Peter Montague IV (1666-1702), referred to here as Peter III.

On 24 October 1701, the Governor granted land to Peter III: "Peter Mountague son of Peter Mountague late of the County of Middlesex dec'd. one thousand acres of land" … "the said land being formerly granted to George Ludlow Esq'r. by patent dated the 22'd. of May 1651, and by him assigned and acknowledged before the Grand Assembly unto the said Peter Mountague the 4th of December 1652 …"^[8]

Peter II was almost certainly over age 21 when assigned the land, and he was therefore born before 4 December 1631. Peter I and Cicely were therefore presumably married before 4 December 1631, or even earlier.

William and Cecily Farrar were certainly still married on 6 September 1631 when both were named in a deed, and William probably lived several more years.

Cicely Montague is therefore almost certainly not Cecily Jordan Farrar.

—Spratlin-29 04:57, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Purported Marriages - Montague & Parker

MYTH: There is speculation that Cecily, widowed again by 1637 (at age 37), married a fourth and fifth time. There has, so far, been no proof of any later marriages for Cecily. She disappears from the records after 1637, and other women named "Cecily", of whom there were several in the colony, have been confused with her.^[1]

From Elizabeth Tissot: Many have said, with no proof, that Cecily also married Peter Montague and Thomas Parker. This is false. Cecily Montague was the relict of William Thompson, I and had one son William Thompson, II who married Ellen Montague, his step sister. Cecily Montague returned to England following the deaths of Peter Montague (in 1659) and her son, William Thompson, II. Peter Montague's first wife was Elizabeth and she was mother of all his children. Source: "A Place in Time, Middlesex Co. VA 1650-1750", by Rutman, p50, 96-98. This is a history of the County of Middlesex which relies on court records.^[1]

From Daughters of The American Colonists, Member #14341 Mrs.Louise Boone Ratliff: Her papers state Peter Montague, 1st married in 1633 Cecily Watkins - not Matthews, - not Farrar. Her lineage in v15 also says Peter Montague, 2nd married Elizabeth.^[1]

Note: Additionally the marriage of Peter Montague to his Cecily was said to be in 1629 or 1633, both these dates predating the 1636 death of William Farrar, therefore making it impossible for Cecily to be the Cecily that Peter Montague married.^[1]

Peter Montague, born 1603, in England, had come to Jamestown in 1618, aboard the "Charles" at the age of 18 as a headright of Billy Pierce. Peter Montague had six children - Peter, Margaret, William, Ellen, Elizabeth, and Ann with his first wife Elizabeth. He died in 1659, and named his wife Cecily (widow of Thompson) Montague in his will. Evidence shows she was not our Cecily.^[1]

Thomas Parker, the immigrant, died in 1663, in Isle of Wight, Virginia. Parker family researchers are not sure which Thomas Parker of Isle of Wight, Virginia "is said to have married" the widow of a Peter Montague. The unnamed widow of a Peter Montague is mentioned in an Isle of Wight County deed transaction:

On 29 May 1683 a patent was issued to Thomas Parker and James "Bagnall" for 470 acres, of which 50 acres granted to Peter Montague, and 40 acres for transportation of a Negro Francisco. The patent stated that Thomas had married the widow of Peter Montague who had left two daughters Dorothy and Sarah and that Sarah had married James "Bageall."^[9]

Cecily would have been 83 years old at the time of this patent, and it has been proven she could not have been the surviving wife of immigrant Peter Montague. Therefore this record does not pertain to the generation of our Cecily or the immigrant Peter Montague who had a widow named Cecily, or to the immigrant Thomas Parker who died in 1663, long before the land patent mentioning the widow of Peter Montague. By all accounts Cecily is estimated to have died years before 1683.^[1]

Spouses' Purported Marriages & Children

Purported Samuel Jordan First Marriage

Mayes states:

Samuel had been previously married in England with four known children,^{[citation needed]} but after his first wife died^{[citation needed]} he immigrated to America in 1609 aboard the "Seaventure" which was shipwrecked off Bermuda, not arriving in Virginia till May 1610.

Cecily's profile on WikiTree previously stated:

"Samuel Jordan had been previously married in England with four known children,^{[citation needed]} but after his first wife died,^{[citation needed]} he became the first of the Jordans to immigrate to America. … They sailed on the ship "Seaventure" with 600 land men in a fleet of 8 good ships and one pinnance under the command of Sir George Somers. Somers' flotilla encountered a severe storm near the Bermudas which left the "Seaventure" unseaworthy."^{[citation needed]}

These claims are unsourced. They both also conflate Samuel Jordan (abt.1578-1623) with Silvester Jourdain (abt.1565-abt.1650), who kept a day-to-day journal of the Sea Venture's time in Bermuda in 1609–1610. —Spratlin-29 18:26, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Purported Son Richard Jordan

MYTH: Cecily is said by some researchers to have had 3 children with second husband Samuel Jordan. Two daughters, Mary and Margaret, and a son Richard Jordan (also Robert Jordan) who married his first cousin Elizabeth Reynolds, daughter of Christopher Reynolds (presuming Cecily was a Reynolds).^[1]

FACT: There are no records showing that Cecily and Samuel Jordan had a son Richard. If he existed he must have died before the 1623 and 1624/25 musters of Jordan's Journey on which he is not listed. Cecily was widowed while in the late stages of her pregnancy with youngest daughter Margaret Jordan who would have been a newborn at the time of the 1623 census, and in the 1624/25 muster Margaret Jordan is shown to be "aged 1 years" as would be expected. There was no Richard Jordan, son of Cecily.^[1]

Purported Son Robert Jordan

Genealogies of Samuel Jordan, when discussing the 1622 Massacre, often purport that Samuel had a son Robert who was sent by Samuel to warn Berkeley Hundred and died there. Some also purport that Richard Pace rowed from Paces Paines to Beggars Bush to warn Samuel Jordan. The descriptions appear to be embellished, containing more details than what is found in reliable sources from that time.

"Fortunately for the Jordans they received a forewarning of the plot in sufficient time to fortify Beggar's Bush against attack. Early that morning Richard Pace had rowed with might and main three miles across the river from Paces Paines to Beggars Bush to warn Samuel Jordan of the impending blow. … About one third of Virginia colonists died during the Indian Massacre including Samuel's son Robert Jordan at Berkley Hundred in Charles City while trying to warn neighbors across the water of the impending Indian attack."^[10]^{[citation needed]}

[proof of father-son relationship needed; appears embellished, containing details not known to be reliably sourced: forewarning] —Spratlin-29 04:09, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Children

Generally Accepted Daughter Temperance Baley

Temperance Bailey (Baylie, Baly, Baley, Baylise).^[11]

See Davis^[6] and Southall.^[7]

Purported 3 Jordan Children

Cecily's profile on WikiTree previously stated:

"Shortly after her husband died, Cecily married secondly to Samuel JORDAN, who was Joan Pierce's cousin.^{[citation needed]} They had 2 daughters, Margaret and Mary and along with the PIERCE family were survivors of the Jamestown Massacre of 1622. Not long after the Massacre, Samuel JORDAN died leaving Cecily with 2 daughters and another soon to be delivered."^{[citation needed]}

Daughter Margaret is presumably also the daughter "soon to be delivered". The Pooley suit records refer to Cecily as expecting. Margrett Jordan, age 1 in the 1625 Muster, also appears in the 1624 Lists. —Spratlin-29 18:52, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

More Baleys and Jordans

1622 List - Massacred^[12]

Slaine of the Colledge People, about two miles from Henrico-Citie.
- Willian Jordan, p340 [no profile]
- William Baily, p340 [no profile]
At Berkley-Hundred some five miles from Charles-Citie.
- Robert Jordan, p341
At Powle-Brooke.
- Peter Jordan, p343 [no profile]

1624 List - Living^[13]

Living, Att y'e Colledg Land.
- Peeter Jorden, p169
Living, Att West and Sherlow hundred.
- Nicholas Baley, p170
- Ann Bayley, p170
Living, At James Cittye and w'th the Corporacon therof. in the maine.
- Thomas Jordan, p177
Living, At y'e Plantacon ouer ag't James Cittie
- Lewis Baly, p179
- George Bayley, p180

1624 List - Dead^[14]

At James Cittie
- John Bayly, p191

1625 Muster^[15]

Colledg Land Henrico. The MUSTER of the Inhabitant's of the Colledge: Land in Virginia taken the 23th of January 1624[/5].
- Peeter Jorden aged 22 in the London Marchannt 1620, p201
West & Sherley hundred. Charles Cittie. The MUSTER of the Inhabitant's of West and Sherley Hundred taken the 22th of January 1624. WILLIAM BAYLEYS MUSTER.
- William Baley aged 41 yeares in the Prosperous in May 1610, p205
- Mary his wife aged 24 yeres in the George 1617, p205
- Thomas his Sonn aged 4 yeares, p205
Piersyes hundre. The MUSTER of NICHOLAS BALY.
- Nicholas Baly arived in the Jonathan 1620, p216
- Ann his wife in the Marmaduk 1621, p216
Pasbehaighs, James Citty. The MUSTER of the Governors Men at Pasbehaighs.
- Thomas Jorden aged 24 came in the Diana

1625 Land - in the May 1625 extracts of all the titles and estates of land, sent home by Sir Francis Wyatt:^[16]

The Corporacon of Charles City
- Wm Bayly, 100 Acres, by Pattent.
Uppon Apamatucke River
- William Farrar, 100 Acres, by Pattent.
The Teritory of great Weyonoke
- Wm Baylie, 100 Acres, by Pattent.
- Samuell Jordan, 450 Acres planted, by Pattent.
- Temperance Baylie, 200 Acres planted, by Pattent.

Richard Cocke Sr (abt.1597-aft.1665), husband of Temperance (Baley) Cocke (1617-bef.1652), names Couzen Daniell Jordan in his 1665 Will.^[17]

Genealogies with Incorrect or Unproven Relationships

M. F. Reynolds Eggleston, T. S. Eggleston, "Cecily Phippen Renolds," ReynoldsPAtoVA.org (https://reynoldspatova.org/getperson.php?personID=I547449678&tree=reynolds1); also the profiles attached to her.

Purports her parents are Thomas Reynolds & Cecily Phippen.

William B. and Ethel Farrar, The Farrars (St Petersburg, Florida: St Petersburg Printing Company, Inc., 1964); book, FamilySearch, Call Number 929.273 F242f.

Conflates William Farrar (bef.1583-bef.1637) with William Ferrar (abt.1593-bef.1620), son of Nicholas Ferrar (1544-1620). [pp14-15, pp23-24]

Incorrectly states "William of Farrar's Island" married Judith Jefferson. [p35, p73]

Sources

↑ ^1.00 ^1.01 ^1.02 ^1.03 ^1.04 ^1.05 ^1.06 ^1.07 ^1.08 ^1.09 ^1.10 ^1.11 ^1.12 ^1.13 ^1.14 ^1.15 ^1.16 ^1.17 Mayes. Text may have been copied verbatim without attribution. Review, reliably source, and rewrite or quote.
↑ Jim Farmer, "New Parents Found for Cecily Jordan Farrar?," Genealogy.com (http://www.genealogy.com/forum/regional/states/topics/va/36058/).
↑ Hotten, p211; digital images, Archive.org (p211).
↑ "Hakluyt's List of Immigrants to Virginia." [find source with images]
↑ Hotten, p174, p204; digital images, Archive.org (p174, 204).
↑ ^6.0 ^6.1 Davis; digital images, JSTOR (https://doi.org/10.2307/1923628).
↑ ^7.0 ^7.1 Southall; digital images, JSTOR (https://www.jstor.org/stable/4245145).
↑ Virginia Land Office Patents and Grants, Patents No.9, 1697–1706 (Vol.1 & Vol.2), pp375-376; digital images, Library of Virginia (p375, p376).
↑ VA Magazine of History & Biography, 6:420.
↑ Mayes.
↑ McCartney, Virginia Immigrants, p102.
↑ Neill, pp339-346; digital images, Archive.org (p339).
↑ Hotten, pp169-189; digital images, Archive.org (p169).
↑ Hotten, pp169-189; digital images, Archive.org (p190).
↑ Hotten, pp201-265; digital images, Archive.org (p201).
↑ Kingsbury, Vol. 4, pp553-554; digital images, Archive.org (pp553-554).
↑ County Court, Henrico County, Virginia, Court orders and minutes and miscellaneous court records, 1650-1807, Misc. Court Records 1650-1807; database with images, FamilySearch (image 19, image 20), images 19-20.

Citation Sources:

Clifton F. Davis, “Cicely Jordan Farrar and Temperance Baley,” The William and Mary Quarterly Vol. 21, No. 2 (Apr., 1941), pp180-183; digital images, JSTOR (https://doi.org/10.2307/1923628).
John Camden Hotten, The Original Lists of Persons of Quality; Emigrants; Religious Exiles; Political Rebels; Serving Men Sold for a Term of Years; Apprentices; Children Stolen; Maidens Pressed; and Others Who Went From Great Britain to the American Plantations 1600–1700. (New York, New York: J. W. Bouton, 1874); digital images, Archive.org (title page).
Susan Myra Kingsbury, The Records of The Virginia Company of London, (Washington, DC: Government Printing Office, 1905, 1906, 1933, 1935), Introduction & Four Volumes; digital images, Archive.org (Introduction title page, Vol. 1 title page, Vol. 2 title page, Vol. 3 title page, Vol. 4 title page).
Martha W. McCartney, Virginia Immigrants and Adventurers, 1607–1635: A Biographical Dictionary (Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2007); digital images, Google Books (https://books.google.com/books?id=orDbMGpInaQC&pg=PA290).
James P. C. Southall, “Cicely Jordan Farrar and Temperance Baley,” The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography Vol. 50, No. 1. (January 1942), pp74–80; digital images, JSTOR (https://www.jstor.org/stable/4245145).