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Clan Menzies

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Welcome to Clan Menzies

CLAN MENZIES 2020

Clan Team

Clan Menzies Team
Team Leader
Team MembersEmma MacBeath Julia (McCartney) Hogston, Randy Hare, Rory Cain, Patricia (Howard) Gray, Sue Barnes|Betsy Ko
Clan Chief: Hereditary Chief David Ronald Steuart Menzies of Menzies: Assisted by his son, Robert Ronald Menzies Younger, of Australia.
Crest: A Savage’s head erased Proper.
Motto: Vil God I Zal - (With) Gods Will I Shall
Slogan/War Cry: Geal ‘us dearg a suas! The Red and White for ever!
Region: Scottish Highlands.
Historic Seat: Castle Menzies is the historic seat of the chief of Clan Menzies, situated at Weem, near Aberfeldy in Scotland.
Plant badge: Menzies Heath/Mountain Ash (Rowan Tree).
Pipe music: Piobairreachd a' Meinnearaich- The Menzies March
Gaelic name: Am Mèinnearach (The Menzies).

Team Goals

The focus of this team's work is to identify, improve and maintain profiles associated with the Lairds and Chiefs of Clan Menzies together with members bearing the name Menzies, the related families and those recognised as septs of Clan Menzies.

Team To Do List

This list will be developed by the Team. If you are working on a specific task, please list it here:

  • promoting the entries of those bearing the name Menzies on Wikitree.
  • ensuring entries appearing on Wikitree are as accurate as possible, correcting mistakes once spotted.
  • encouraging interest in and study of Clan Menzies.

Septs

  • Spelling variations & the full list of Septs and names associated with Clan Menzies.*Septs

Robert de Meyners’s name is spelt in 25 different ways in the historical records (1231-1267) but the most frequent is Meyners. The yogh in the middle is pronounced like a y but now represented in the age of print by the letter z since, handwritten in lower case, it resembled the copperplate version. In Gaelic, which has neither a z nor a yogh, the name is also pronounced with a y sound. This has led to the name being spelt in many different forms and sometimes prefixed “Mac”

Examples are Menzie Mennie Mings Minnis MacMinnis Minn MacMinn Means MacMeans Monies MacMonnies Monzie Meyners.

These families, however, neither have the structure of nor function like a Sept. But all who recognize the Chief are entitled to wear his badge as members of Clan Menzies.

The Septs which branched off from the main line had a mini clan like structure, but that barely survived into the 18th Century, although some descendants still live in the areas they occupied.

The Menzies of Pitfodels owned land around the lower Rivers Dee and Don and are extinct. Menzies of Enoch, and of neighbouring Durisdeer and Castlehill, in Dumfriesshire likewise, and Menzies of Coulterallers in Lanarkshire too. In Perthshire the Menzies of Shian, and of Garth and of Bolfracks did not recover from the effects of the Jacobite Rebellion whilst Comrie reverted to the Menzies of Weem and was sold.

Clan History

The Menzies family is of Norman origin from Mesnieres near Rouen. Robert de Meyners is first recorded in Scotland in 1231 and by the 1240s owned land near the Tay, in return for military service. The Clan and the Lowland Septs fought on the Covenanting side in the 17th Century, the Aberdeenshire Pitfoddels who fought on the Royalist experienced exile and deprivation. In the 1715 and ‘45 Jacobite wars the same pattern emerged. The Chief avoided committing the Clan. The Perthshire Septs gentry were Jacobites, but force was often needed to muster unenthusiastic clansmen.

The Menzies family were the oldest family in Perthshire, holding by unbroken hereditary descent, until the death of Egidia Menzies in 1918. But by then the Clan lands had been sold by its creditors, and there was a gap until 1957, when Ronald Menzies of Culdares was recognised as nearest heir of Egidia, and as such the Chief. His son David has now succeeded him as Chief.

Lands

  • c.1240- The Culdares and Duneaves. The earliest existing Menzies document refers to the confirmation of the grant of lands in West Atholl.
  • c.1266- The Aberfeldy and Weem lands were granted including patronage of the Church of Weem. Alexander Menzies, (son of the Sir Robert who died in 1267), received Weem and Aberfeldy from the young Earl of Atholl around 1300 for assisting him, and land near Coshieville from Robert Bruce the king’s illegitimate son.
  • c1312-14- Loyalty to Robert Bruce was rewarded by grants of lands in the Highlands. Glendochart, Finlarig and Glenorchy and further lands in the Abthane of Dull, and Lowlands Durisdeer in Nithsdale. Although all lands were resigned to the Crown in the 1370s.
  • Three other Lowland baronies came through marriage. Robert Menzies outbid the Stewarts of Garth c1500 for royal lands near Weem and Rannoch which the latter had occupied, prompting them to burn Castle Menzies.
  • Until Sir Neil Menzies died in 1910, Weem, the Appin of Dull, and the North side of Rannoch (Tummel Valley) and surrounds were the territories remaining in the possession of the Menzies of Weem. Under financial pressure in the 19th Century, the creditors sold Rannoch and then Weem 1914-1919.

Clan Branches

  • The Menzies of Weem.

Branches within the Menzies of Weem included-

  • Menzies of Carse
  • Menzies of Comrie
  • Menzies of Comrie (2nd Family)
  • Menzies of Pittentian, Shian & Aberfeldy
  • Menzies of Farlayer and Bolfracks.

Other Branches

  •  The Menzies of Culdares.
  •  The Menzies of Pitfodels
  • The Menzies of Durisdeer (Borders).
  • Menzies of Roro and Mornich
  • Menzies of Enoch
  • Menzies of Garth,Woodend & Invergowrie
  • Menzies of Tiggernach
  • Menzies of Rotmell & Chesthill
  • Menzies of Balgownie

Other Names Associated with the Clan

  • Dewar: The Dewars in Menzies lands were descended from the hereditary keepers of the Quigrich, a Crozier with symbolic and religious significance. They had Croft an Deor and were probably linked to the early religious foundation of Dull.

Allied Clans

  • McGregors of Roro (16th -17th cent)
  • McNaughton (17th Cent)
  • Lawers (17th Cent)
  • The Menzies were allies of the Stuarts.
  • The Menzies of Shian, Menzies of Culdares (Glenlyon) and Menzies of Pitfodles (Aberdeen), sided with the Jacobites.

Rival Clans

  • Local rivals were:

-Robertsons (15th cent) -Campbells of Glenorchy (15th-16th cent) -Stewarts of Garth (16th Cent) -Stewart E. of Atholl 16th Cent and 17th cent

  • There were a lot of disputes with the MacGregors living on Menzies lands although Menzies Clan Pipers were from Clan MacGregor!


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Source Material

Image Credits and Acknowledgements

Information (below) supplied courtesy of George Macbeth Menzies Esq of Edinburgh, Trustee of The Menzies Charitable Trust, Castle Menzies, Scotland and Tommy Pringle of Dull, Member of Menzies Clan Society Council, Castle Menzies and Aberfeldy Museum, Scotland

Information -

  • Septs & names
  • History of the Clan
  • Other names associated with the Clan
  • Allied Clans
  • Rival Clans
  • Images of current Chief Menzies of Menzies, Menzies Tartans and information on Clan Menzies courtesy of Menzies Clan Society historians, permission for use obtained 1/3/2020 by Website Director and Secretary of MCS. Official Menzies Clan Society
  • Clan Branches: Red Book of Scotland ©️Gordon MacGregor 2018




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I see that my Means Family is listed in Clan Menzies I like to join this project. I also like to find out how they connected to Clan as John Means is my 8th great grandfather.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Means-443

Billie

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