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Surname/tag: Winn
Thiis page is intended to be a Compilation of past research files from family sites, different Winn blogs, and theories transferred from various individual Winn profiles on WIKI. It is only for researchers that want to understand the different paths that Winn research has taken over the years. Much of the following has changed or been disproven. Each Winn Profile Page on WIKI should now contain the latest updates.
Current Status Feb 22, 2023
The parents of Daniel Winn & Col. Thomas Winn are currenty unknown, but DNA shows that Daniel Winn & Col. Thomas Winn were “very likely” brothers
- There is not a paper trail proving they were brothers. However both descendant groups (Daniel & Thomas) are positive for haplogroup branch R-BY153961, which is the same as carried by descendants of Richard Winn/Phebe Pledger and John Winn/Mary Pledger. FTDNA estimates the emergence of R-BY153961 in their Winn paternal ancestor born about 1650 CE.
Col Thomas and Daniel Winn’s father was likely to be the brother (name unknown) of Richard Winn (b.1672) of Middlesex. FTDNA terminal SNP testing between the two sets of descendants make this the most likely scenario.
This means that Richard Winn (1701-1750; m. Phebe Pledger) would have been Col Thomas and Daniel Winn’s first cousin, as their father’s were brothers.
Col Thomas and Daniel Winn were most likely the NEPHEW of Richard Winn (b.1672) of Middlesex Co. VA who m1. Sarah and m2. Anne Cocke.
Winn Surname Project at FTDNA
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/winn/about/news provides conclusive lineage evidence and opportunities for discussion and is always incorporating additional information as the DNA participant data base adds to community knowledge.
- Visit this site for current status and to ask related questions
The largest group Winn from Puleston Group is a Welsh-origin group containing six confirmed subgroups of Colonial Era Virginia families, which Y-DNA testing has determined to be one group sharing a common paternal Winn/Wynn ancestor in Wales.
This line descends from John Wynn of Trefechan ap Edward ap Howell ap Edward ap Madog Puleston (Trefechan, Dinhille Ucha, of Ruabon Parish is now called Penycae in Wrexham). [Per Winn Surname Project at FTDNA]
This group is NOT aligned with "Robert Wynne of Canterbury" Descendants of Thomas Wynne and Martha Wingfield absolutely do not match the descendants of Daniel Winn.
Updated Feb 23, 2023; by FTDNA project coordinator
Within the proposed Winn/Pulesotn Group, there are six confirmed subgroups of Colonial Era Winn ancestors, which Y-DNA testing has determined to be one group sharing one Welsh paternal ancestor. These six Winn families are as follows:
- Minor Winn (1704-1778) m. Margaret Connor; moved up the Rappahannock River from Caroline County to Culpepper, then to Fauquier County, Virginia. Sons were
- John (m1. Dorothea Wright; m2. Penelope Kirkland),
- William (m. Rosamond Hampton),
- Minor (m. Elizabeth Withers), James (m. Hannah Withers), and
- Richard Winn (m. Priscilla McKinney).
- Daniel Winn (1715-1789; Will written 1789 & probated 1799) m. Sarah; resident of Prince George County, Virginia, 1744-1755, and moved to Lunenburg County in 1756. His nine sons include
- Joseph (b. 1739; m. Elizabeth Winn, a cousin),
- Thomas (m. Joyce Farguson),
- John (m. Susanna),
- Alexander (m1. Elizabeth Barnes; m2. Mrs. Jane Stone, Widow),
- Elisha (m. Lucy Ellett),
- Orsamus (m. Frances Jeter),
- William (m. Elizabeth),
- James (m. Mary Ann Winn, a kinswoman), and
- Galanus Winn (m. Rebecca Lester).
- John Winn (1719-1795) m. Anne Stone; resident of Brunswick & Lunenburg Counties, Virginia. His 1740 Brunswick County Land Grant fell in Lunenburg County after the county division in 1748. Sons were
- John (m. Mary Lyall),
- Peter (m. Letty Stone),
- Littleberry (m. Mary Maynard), and
- Mourning Winn (m. Sarah Jones).
- Col. Thomas Winn (b. 1716-1720; d. 1781) m1. Elizabeth Banister and m2. Sarah; resident of Hanover County Virginia in 1743, and moved to Brunswick & Lunenburg Counties after 1745. His 1746 Land Deed in Brunswick County fell in Lunenburg County after the county division in 1748. Sons of his 1st marriage were
- John (d. 1768; m. Susanna),
- Thomas (m1.
- Philadelphia; m2. Letitia Martin),
- William (m. Elizabeth),
- Richard (m. Sarah Hall), and
- Banister (m. Jane Barnard).
- Sons of his 2nd marriage were
- Edmund (m. Elizabeth Cousins), and
- Washington Winn (never married).
- Richard Winn (1701-1750) m. Phebe Pledger; born in Middlesex County, Virginia, and landowner in Hanover County in 1731. He also owned a quarter plantation in Amelia County. Richard Winn's baptism in 1701 was recorded in the Parish Register of Christ Church, Middlesex Co. Virginia to parents Richard Winn (b. c1672) & Sarah of Middlesex County. Richard Winn & Phebe Pledger's only son,
- John Winn (c1730-1780), served as Burgess of Amelia County 1778-1761 and 1769-1776, as Amelia County Delegate to the Fifth Virginia Convention of 1776, and as Amelia County Delegate 1777-1778. John Winn married Susanna Irby. After his death, John's widow Susanna inherited his plantation and mill on Little Nottoway River & Lazaretta Creek in Amelia, which land fell in Nottoway County after the county division in 1788. Their sons were
- Richard (m. Jane Pincham),
- John (m. Myrtila Minor), and
- Charles Winn.
- John Winn (c1730-1780), served as Burgess of Amelia County 1778-1761 and 1769-1776, as Amelia County Delegate to the Fifth Virginia Convention of 1776, and as Amelia County Delegate 1777-1778. John Winn married Susanna Irby. After his death, John's widow Susanna inherited his plantation and mill on Little Nottoway River & Lazaretta Creek in Amelia, which land fell in Nottoway County after the county division in 1788. Their sons were
- John Winn (1705-1789) m1. Elizabeth and m2. Mary Pledger; born in Middlesex County and was a resident of Hanover Co. Virginia in 1728. He lived in Hanover County until his death in 1789. John Winn's baptism in January 1705 was recorded in the Parish Register of Christ Church, Middlesex Co. Virginia to parents Richard Winn (b. c1672) & Sarah of Middlesex County. In 1754, John Winn gave a deposition in Hanover County Court as testimony in the Amelia County chancery lawsuit, Johnson vs. Martin, saying that he, "John Winn of Hanover County," was then 48 years old and knew John Johnson 26 years ago in Hanover County when he lived on a tract joining to Johnson, which was formerly owned by Michael Holland. John Winn was born 1706 (new style) by the Greogorian Calendar adopted in Virginia in 1752, and 1705 (old style) by the former Julian Calendar discarded in 1752. John Winn married his second wife Mary Pledger c1738, after the death of first wife Elizabeth. Their sons were
- Hezekiah (m. Christiana Bowles),
- John (m. Mary Bowles),
- Thomas (m. Elizabeth Dabney Anderson), and
- Peter Winn (m. Sally George King).
Wynne Mythtakes & Wynn Winners”
posted February, 2003 (over 20 years ago)
Regarding Capt John Winn/Elizabeth Minor Discredited facts
- The John Winn/Elizabeth Minor was an old, outdated, never-researched theory, which may have been created to produce a set of parents for Minor Winn (1704-1778). It was slenderly based on one transportation record of a man named John Winn into Westmoreland County in the mid 1600s. He had no land records and immediately disappeared off the records. That theory was harshly discredited in a written piece by Miles Johnson almost two decades ago February, 2003 - M. Johnson; Myles Johnson’s written piece discrediting, "Wynne Mythtakes & Wynn Winners” posted 20 years ago on Rootsweb (this was originally Becky Thill’s page): http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/genealogy/mylespage2.html which was published by Becky Thill on Rootsweb and also on her Wynn Genealogical Society website. Now, that discredited theory has been resurrected and attached as parents of Richard Winn (b. 1672) of Middlesex County
- I. Wynne Mythtakes: Some errors commonly found in genealogies.
- a. That Peter, Thomas, Edmund, and Owen Wynne/Winne came to Va. among the earliest settlers.
- Each of the above does appear in the Records of the Virginia Company but Captain Peter Winne and a Hugh Winne are the only ones known to have arrived in Va. before 1620. Peter Winne, who had unknowingly been named as Deputy Governor, arrived in September 1608 after a long delay caused by a shipwreck. He died in the Spring of 1609, with no known issue. His family in England has not been established. This Hugh Winne is listed in the group arriving with Peter Winne; he is dsescribed as a tradesman, but nothing more is known of him. Thomas, Edmund, and Owen all appear only on the roll of "adventurers" (ie, investors). [Capt. John Smith, Travels...in Virginia, v.I; A.Brown, Genesis of the U.S., p.1055]
- Thomas Wynne appears as "Captaine Thomas Winne" on a List of Adventurerers to Va., in 1620 having paid £25, but this means only that he was an investor, as were hundreds of other men. The identity of this Thomas Wynne is not known with certainty but his title of Captain suggests that he was the Sir Thomas Winne who was killed in the seige of Breda in 1625. [Kingsbury, Records of the Va. Company v.III.]
- Edmund Winne, also appearing as an adventurer, is the only Wynne recorded as having received a patent for land [Kingsbury,v.I:632] but while he was still in England; there is no record of him living in Va.. Brown identitfies him as a "merchant-tailor" and the son of a George Wynne [Brown, Genesis - p.1055]. His patent was in the Southampton Hundred (Charles City Co. area). George Wynne was servant & Draper to Queen Elizabeth I and Edmund was involved in several of the overseas trading ventures of the time. [Robert Wynne, "A London Wynne and The Virginia Company", Wynne News No.7 (March 1999).]
- Owen Winne, or "Captaine Owen Winne", is also in the Va. Company List of Adventurers, but again there is no record of his coming to Va., despite the fact that many books say so. It is possible that he was Owen Wynn, the son of Sir John Wynn of Gwydir, since Owen was in London about 1620 and could have invested in the new Va. project, but he is more likely associated with one of the various other Wynn/Wynne families of the time. His title of Captain also suggests he was not Sir John's son, as that Owen had no such title. [Kingsbury, v.III].
- b. That Sir Owen Wynne (or Gwynn), son of Sir John Wynn, came to Va. and left issue in Virginia.
- This is the most frequently published error. There is no record of an Owen Wynne or Gwynn in Virginia. Sir John's son, Owen, spent his life managing the Gwydir properties for his father, then for his older brother, Sir Richard, who preferred life in London, and finally on his own after he became the 4th Baronet of Gwydir in 1649. He had only two children: a daughter who died early and a son, Richard Wynne, who succeeded him as the 5th Bart. [There are several recent historical accounts of Owen and of the family of Gwydir, esp. J. G. Jones, The Wynn Family of Gwydir (1995)].
- Several standard published accounts say Owen came to Va., had issue, and returned to Wales on becoming the 4th Baronet. His issue are sometimes given as Hugh Gwynn, the settler of Gwynn's Island, and sometime as John Winn, found later in Westmoreland Co. See the accounts on these below. One frequently cited "source" is F. Virkus, Compendium of American Genealogies, which is composed of individually submitted, unverified, amateur genealogies. As might be expected, of any undocumented compilation, it is a mixture of fact and fantasy.
- c. That a Winn/Wynne family of Va. descends from Sir John Wynn of Gwydir.
- Sir John Wynn (d.1626, aet 73) is famous as the author of 'The History of the Gwydir Family' and one of the most prominent Welshmen of his day. Although he had twelve children - ten of whom were sons - his line ended with a grandson, Sir John Wynn (d.1719) who had no issue. No child or grandchild of this family ever emigrated to Va. Due to the prominence of Sir John Wynn, the common assumption was that any "Wynn/Wynne" had to be connected to him. In fact, there were a plethora of Wynn lines in Wales and England (usually 'Wynne' in England) by the early 1600's. [See John E.Griffith, Pedigrees of Anglesey & Caernarvonshire Families.]
- d. That a John Winn and Elizabeth Minor founded a Winn line in Virginia.
- One of the most frequently seen references is to a John Winn of Westmoreland Co., Va. who allegedly married an Elizabeth Minor and had various different sets of sons, depending on the writer's imagination. No such marriage is recorded. Elizabeth Minor was far too young and socially elevated to have been John Winn's wife. John Minor's will of 1699 does menion a daughter Elizabeth as his youngest daughter and clearly not yet married as she is given land in her own name. No evidence of any kind has been found to identify the English/Welsh family of John Winn, and, in fact, only a few documentary reference to him have been found at all. They begin with his appearance as a headright for a patent claim by Robert Vaulx in 1657 in Westmoreland. None of the few references to a man of this name testify to a family, marriage, children, or land ownership. This marriage was, in my view, created to provide a family of origin for those Winn lines where "Minor" was used.
- W. Avery Miner's book The Desc. of John Minor (1983) is frequently cited as a source for this Winn-Minor marriage but its origin is much older. W.A. Miner, in his source listing, clearly acknowledges that this information came from others with no documentation and refers the reader to Dennis R. Wynn, erstwhile head of The Wynne Family & Kinsman Assn. In fact, this alleged marriage probably originated with one Mame E. Wood (Phila.,Pa.). In Ms. Wood's correspondence with Dr. W.W. Smith in 1934-35 she describes her speculations about these early Wynne/Winns and it is clear she is not drawing her ideas from any earlier researcher. It was this Ms. Wood who proposed the idea (she admits it is unproven) of four sons ---- Thomas, John , Richard, & Obed --- were the sons of, first, an immigrant Thomas Wynne, then later, of John Winn of Westmoreland whom she believed married a "Miss Minor" to account for another son, Minor Winn. This speculation was taken in by Dr. Smith and passed on to many of his correspondents. It is noteworthy that this John Winn=Eliz. Minor family does not appear in any publication before 1935.
- One early writer (J.L.M. Curry, 1899) begins his account of the "Wynne or Winn" family of Va. with Minor Winn and suggests he was the immigrant founder of that line. This possibility probably should be explored further.
- II. What We DO Know About Winn/Wynnes in Virginia.
- a. Why the surname appears in various spellings.
- In the 1500's and into the 1600's, the Welsh culture increasingly came to reflect that of England, in part because of repressive anti-Welsh laws and in part because ambitious Welshmen began to adopt English ways to gain favor at Court. The traditional naming practice, based on identifying one's father [e.g, John ap Evan], was gradually shifting to the use of a family surname. "Wynne" seems to have appeared as early as the 1300's in England but, in that case, is probably not connected to the later Welsh "Wynn" at all.
- "Wynn", or Gwynn, became used as a surname by several Welsh families in the 1500's. One Welsh surname authority [Morgan & Morgan, Welsh Surnames] explains the variation from 'Gwynn' to 'Wynn' as a softening in Welsh usage. Collateral lines, even members of the same line, are found using either spelling. Robert Wynn (d.1598) of Conway is recorded as using Gwynn, Wynn, and Wynne all at various, successive points in his career. Because Welsh pronounces each letter, the "Wynne" form is not used in a Welsh-speaking context. It represents an anglicization of the surname used by those either living in England or wishing to identify themselves as allied with English customs.
- "Winn" does not normally appear in Wales because the "y" is a particular vowel in Welsh, with a unique pronunciation; the "i" is a different sound in Welsh. "Winn" does appear later in South Wales and is still more common there. But the subtle difference of the Welsh "y" would be lost in Virginia, and 'Winn' became the most common way to spell the surname in America. Only a few lines chose to retain the "Wynne" or "Gwynn" forms.
- b. Wynn Winners: Wynn/Wynne immigrants to Virginia known to have left descendants?
- Robert Wynne, usually called Col. Robert Wynne, was born ca.1622, Canterbury, Eng. His ancestry has been traced back several generations in Canterbury. He was in Va. by 1658 when first named to the House of Burgesses from Charles City Co., which at that time included land on the south side of the James River (later, Prince George Co.). Col. Robert Wynne married Mary Frances (Sloman) Poythress, a widow, and had four children whose descendants spread south and west in Va. Robert Wynne's descendants form one of the largest, if not the largest, group of Wynne descendants. [See Ogburn, As I Was Told ... ,1958].
- Hugh Gwynn, arrived in Va. in 1621, settling in Charles River (later, York) Co. but by 1642 patented 1700 acres in Gloucester Co. His immediate issue are believed to include two sons, Hugh Gwynn and Rev. John Gwynn. There are several Gwynn lines that claim descent from this Gloucester/Mathews Co. family. His Gloucester co. land was what became known as "Gwynn's Island, and for some time as Governor's Island because Gov. Dunmore, who made the island a Loyalist bastion to fight American militia in 1775-76. No full account of this interesting family is known to me. There is a short article in Wm & Mary Quarterly, v.18:60.]. It is possible that he was the same Hugh recorded by Capt. Smith but more likely not; there would have been many 'Hugh Wynns' around at that time.
- Although widely published genealogies rarely get corrected, an exception is the one by Stella P. Hardy in Colonial Families of the Southern States of America,("Gwynn Family" pp.248-251), which was reviewed critically in the Va. Magazine of History & Biog., v.19, p.442. Anyone interested in this line should read this article.
- Richard Winn appears with a documented family in Middlesex Co. Christ Church records in the late 1600's. He m.(1) Sara (----)and had 7 chn. between 1698-1712 ; m.(2) Ann Cocke and had a son, Thomas. Though appearing late in the century, it is believed to descend from some earlier immigrant Wynne. This line has been traced and has a number of descendants today. [See, D.W. Winn, Ancestors & Desc. of John Quarles Winn (1932); Dean Winn, Notes on the Winn Family of VA, SC, & GA (1935)].
- Thomas Wynne, son of a Thomas Wynne from a Montgomeryshire family, is documented as having "gone to Virginia and had issue" by the College of Arms in a pedigree of this family. [Privately held pedigree. Copy provided to writer.] Thomas was possibly born in Istanbul where his father lived briefly as a "Turkey merchant". He would have arrived in Va. about 1635-45. This family is the one cited in The Wynne Diaries by Anne Fremantle, although she erroneously links it to Sir John Wynn of Gwydir. A pedigree chart in Fremantle, exactly as in the College of Arms pedigree, says Thomas Wynne came to Va. So far no record has been found to document his life or family in Virginia. Some elect to cite him as the father of John Winn (Westmoreland Co.), Richard Wynne (Middlesex Co.), or others lacking an immigrant ancestor.
- Recent evidence links this Wynne family to a Hill family that may have come to Virginia by 1620. Thomas' grandfather, Richard Wynne, moved before 1600 to Shrewsbury, and the Hill family were long residents of Salop (Shropshire) at the Court of Hills [Hiser website, 2002]. The heraldic Visitation of London (1664) records marriage between these families of one of Richard Wynne's daughters to John Hill, a London merchant from this Shropshire Hill family. An Edward Hill, believed to be related to John Hill, died in Elizabeth City Co., Va. in 1624 and is possibly the grandfather of the Capt. Thomas Hill (m. Mary Piersey, 1633) whose great-granddaughter, Lucy Hill Toplis, married John Wynne of York Co. about 1737. These links suggest that John Wynne (d.1772) could be a grandson of the Thomas Wynne who arrived about 1635-45. This Thomas Wynne, or possibly a son, would thus be the one who married a "Dorothea Vines or Hines" in York county. Research to verify or disprove these connections is being pursued.
- George Wynne, born about 1675, possibly in Isle of Wight Co., Va. married Rose Bush and had 7 children. He moved early to Bertie Co., N.C., where all his children were born. George is often cited as having been born in Va. but no parents have so far been identified. He might also have arrived as a child but, in any case, clearly left descendants.[J.B.Boddie, Historical Southern Families vol. II.]
- Other Wynne/Winns appear in 17th century records but have not yet been linked to any descendant family. Information extending, or correcting, this record would be appreciated by the writer.
- Sources
- Other Wynne/Winns appear in 17th century records but have not yet been linked to any descendant family. Information extending, or correcting, this record would be appreciated by the writer.
- Alexander Brown, "Genesis of the United State" (Russell & Russell, NYC - 1890) 2 vol.
- J.L.M. Curry, "The Wynne or Winn Family", pp. 906-908 in Genealogies of Virginia Families (1899). Also in Va. Mag. of History & Biography, v.6, p.203.
- Ann Fremantle, The Wynne Diaries (Oxford Press 1935) 3. vols.
- J.E. Griffith, Pedigrees of Angelsey and Caernarvonshire Families(For author - 1914). Available in many genealogical libraries.
- The Harleian Society, Publications of , vol. 92. "Visitation of London Pedigrees (1664)" (1940)
- Linda Hiser, website: geocities/heartland/acres/5516.html. "The Hill Family of England" & "The Hill Family of Virginia" (2002).
- Susan M. Kingsbury, The Records of the Virginia Company of London (Gov. Printing Office, Wash. DC - 1906) 3 vols.
- T.J. Morgan & Pryse Morgan, Welsh Surnames (Univ of Wales Press, 1985).
- Rubyn R. Ogburn, As I Was Told About the Origin of the Ogburn & Wynne Families (Dietz Press, Richmond, Va. - 1988).
- John Smith, The Travels, Adventures, & Observations of Captained John Smith (Franklin Press, Richmond, Va. 1819), Vol. I. This famous book is available in reprinted editions.
- W. Avery Miner (comp.), The Descendants of John Minor. LDS microfilm927.273. A1 No.4028.
- Mame E. Wood, Letters and papers, 1934-37. Xeroxed copies in possession of M. Johnson.
- © Myles Johnson Washington, DC
Digging up Dead Relatives
The blog Genealogical Blog Digging Up Dead Relatives: -- Legends, Outright Lies, and Useful Facts About Our Ancestors http://digupdeadrelatives.com/category/articles/winn-articles/ provides a blog article with theories and analysis of the ChristChurch data and offers competing theories as to the implications. It is well worth your consideration.
This appears to be a well researched and documented site with many articles on the Winns of Virginia by Gary Noble Willis & Robin Rankin Willis, a pair of serious amateur genealogists who loosely follow the Chicago Style for citations supporting their assertions of fact. This article has hyperlinks to other articles spotlighting Col Thomas Winn.
This blog outlines the predominant competing, speculative, Winn theories:
- The Gloucester Theory [disproven]
- The Middlesex Theory [most widely adopted, but may contain errors]
- The Gloucester Theory from the blog:
The Abingdon Parish Register of Gloucester County records the baptism of Richard Winn, son of John Winn and his wife Elizabeth, in 1704. It is speculated that the Richard born in 1704, was the same man as the Richard Winn of Hanover County who married Phoebe Wilkes Pledger before 1733. This theory cannot account for the gap in the records between 1704 and 1733, since the Gloucester records were burned. The Gloucester Theory would chart the early Gloucester/Hanover Winn family like this:
1. John Winn and wife, Elizabeth (Minor) Winn lived in Abingdon Parish, Gloucester County around the turn of the century. They moved to Hanover County some time before 1733.
2. Richard Winn was baptized in 1704 in Abingdon Parish, Gloucester. He married Phoebe Wilkes Pledger, widow of a Mr. Pledger. John Winn’s birth year is unknown, although he was definitely born by 1712. He was in Hanover county, unmarried by 1733.
As a practical matter, the Gloucester Theory starts with known facts – the Abingdon Parish registry and the Hanover Co deeds – and simply weaves a plausible story to explain the provable facts. But it is, nonetheless, speculative. Absent a family Bible or other compelling evidence, it may be impossible to prove this theory. The Gloucester courthouse has burned three times, most recently in 1864. Colonial records for Hanover County are also sparse. Records for King & Queen, New Kent, and King William counties (located between Gloucester and Hanover), where the family of John and Elizabeth Winn might have lived in the three decade gap between 1704 and 1733 – assuming the Gloucester Theory is correct – are similarly difficult.[6]
- The Middlesex Theory:
Christ Church Parish, which had the same boundaries as the Middlesex County, has these entries for six children of Richard and Sarah Winn: Mary Winn born 16 Xember 1696-97. Sarah Winn born 17 January 1698-99 Richard Winn, baptized 28 Sept 1701. Elizabeth Winn, baptized 18 Apr 1703. John Winn, baptized 20 Jan 1705. Jane Winn, baptized 15 Feb 1707.
- The Middlesex Theory:
is that the Richard Winn (b. 1701) and John Winn (b. 1704-05) in Middlesex are the same men as the grantors/grantees in the Hanover deeds. The vast majority of Winn researchers have adopted the Middlesex Theory. Unfortunately, YDNA doesn’t help, if you look closely at the DNA results. There are two participants in the Winn Family DNA Project who claim descent from Middlesex Winns. The others who are their matches apparently claim only provable ancestry but not back to Middlesex. The Gloucester Theory appears to weave a better story in terms of reconciling all the known facts. [8]
- Reasons for why the Gloucester Theory may not work. (Permission to include this opposing view given by Stephanie Miller 2/24/2023)
The Gloucester Theory is based on a single Abingdon Parish Register entry for the birth of Richard Winn in 1704 to John Winn. The problem is that this theory does not allow for the second son, John Winn, brother to Richard, as there was no Abingdon Parish Register entry for the 1705 baptism of a son named John Winn. Yet we have Richard Winn & John Winn, brothers, in Hanover county, Virgnia, 1730s, buying and selling land to one another. John was definitely born 1705 per his Hanover Co Court deposition. John & Richard both married Pledgers. They come as a set. To account for these two brothers, as a set, from the same family, there must be Parish-verification of baptisms of both sons to one set of parents.
We have that Parish-verification in the Christ Church Parish Register: In Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, there are baptism entries in the Parish Register for both of them. Richard Winn (b. 1701) and John Winn (b. 1705) were both recorded with baptisms to parents, Richard Winn & Sarah in Middlesex County. Both of these men were married adults who owned land in Hanover Co. Virginia in the 1730s. According to John Winn’s Hanover County Court Deposition in 1754, he was then 48 years old. This proves that John Winn was born 1706 by the new style Gregorian Calendar adopted in 1752, or 1705 by the old style Julian Calendar discarded in 1752. Therefore John Winn's birth year matches the birth year of John Winn baptized 1705 in the Christ Church Parish Register. John & Richard Winn were brothers who moved together to Hanover County. Richard Winn & Sarah are the only viable set of parents for these two men.
Notes re Daniel Wynn/Sarah Tench
The following is a disjointed collections of information posted multiple places and his included here for notes - caution, may contain disproven information ... 7. SARAH VIRGINIA5 TENCH (HENRY4, WILLIAM H.3, THOMAS2, JOHN1) was born Abt. 1720, and died Abt. 1832 in Lunenburg, Virginia. She married DANIEL WINN Abt. 1740 in Prince George County, Virginia.
Notes for SARAH VIRGINIA TENCH: Sarah and Daniel are mentioned in the Lunenburg Co. Va. records as follows:
Deed Book 3 page 224, 4 Nov., 1752, Samuel Winn of Lunenburg Co., to Daniel Winn of Prince George, Co., for 190.0.0 by patent dated 20 Aug., 1752 at Williamsburg and lying on south side of Hounds Creek. Witnesses: Hampton Wade, Thomas Winn and David Stokes. Deed Book 3 page 501, 15 Mar., 1754, Charles Irby of Amelia Co., and Stephen Evans of Lunenburg, Co., to Daniel Wynne (sic) of Prince George, Co., for 20.0.0 sell 400 Acers in Lunenburg, Co., on both sides of Falls Creek, same granted to them by patent dated 5 Aug., 1751 in Williamsburg. Witnesses: Lyddal Bacon, Thomas Winn and Richard Stone. Daniel Built a mill over Hounds Creek: Deed book 10, page 336, 25 Feb., 1766, Daniel Winn assessed 3.0.0 for damages to Land of William Hardy by Winns Mill over Hounds Creek. Deed Book 11 page 183, 23 July, 1768, Daniel and his wife Sarah of Lunenburg, Co, to John Winn, same, for 150.0.0 sold 300 acers in Lunenburg, Co., on Hounds Creek beginning at Isley's Corner branch on Falls Creek. Witnessed: Thomas Winn, Joseph Winn and Thomas Winn Jr. Recorded 11 Aug., 1768 Sarah must have died by 1776 as she did not relinquish power in deed book 12, page 523 in actions of Daniel Winn to Alexander.
Children of SARAH TENCH and DANIEL WINN are: 13.i. MARTISHA6 WINN, b. Abt. 1740, Lunenburg County, Virginia; d. Abt. 1798, Lunenburg County, Virginia. She married (1) CORNELIUS CRENSHAW Abt. 1760 in Lunenburg County, Virginia. She married (2) JAMES JENNINGS December 18, 1787 in Lunenburg Co., Virginia.
- Notes for MARTISHA WINN: Lunenburg County Virginia Records:
Deed Book 6 page 404, 6 April 1761, Daniel Winn of Lunenburg Co., for natural love and affection which he bears for his daughter Martisha, wife of Cornelius Crenshaw, deeds to said Crenshaw a negro gal named Samander and her increase. Daniel (father) gave Martisha property in Lunenburg Co., Va. 6 April 1761. Chadwick Book. Notes for CORNELIUS CRENSHAW: Lunenburg County, Virginia Records
Will book 3 page 240 Dec. 28, 1785--pr. Feb. 9, 1788 names wife Martisha and sons Daniel, Nathan, Pleasant, Cornelius and Forten (fortune), wife Martisha and son Daniel to be executors. Will book 4 page 97 9 July, 1975 Estate of Cornelius Crenshaw administered by James Jennings and Martisha, his wife. NOTE: Martisha Winn Crenshaw, widow of Cornelius, married James Jennings Dec. 18, 1787. They had a son, Alex Winn Jennings, born May 13, 1790. Deed book 18, page 49, 14 June, 1798--Alexander Winn appointed executor in place of Martisha Crenshaw estate of Cornelius Crenshaw. 14.ii. JOSEPH WINN, b. Abt. 1743, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. Abt. 1800, Lunenburg Co., Virginia. He married ELIZABETH WINN Abt. 1775 in Lunenburg County, Virginia, daughter of THOMAS WINN and ELIZABETH WINN. Notes for JOSEPH WINN: Lunenburg County Virginia Records:
Deed book 11 page 150, 12 May 1768--Joseph Winn and Elizabeth Winn his wife of Cumberland Parish, Lunenburg Co., to William Hardy, same, for 29.6.3.sold tract containing 67 acers in Cumberland Parish on south branches of Hounds Creek adj. Hardy and Buford. Wit: one Rec: 19 May 1768. Deed book 14, page 169, 22 Jan. 1780--Daniel Winn and Joseph Winn of Lunenburg Co. sold to William Hardy and Lyddal Bacon of Lunenburg Co., 20,000 wt. of crop tobacco for 14 acers. Wit: Samuel Garland, Thomas Hardy and John Winn. Rec. 10 Feb. 1785. Deed book 13 page 399, 10 Sept. 1781-- Covington Hardy and William Hardy of Lunenburg Co., to Joseph Winn, same, for 250.0.0 sold 79 acers of land in Lunenburg Co. Deed book 15, page 307, 6 Dec. 1789--Lyddal Bacon of Lunenburg Co. to Joseph Winn, same for 100.0.0 sold 325 acers in Lunenburg Co. on branch of Hounds Creek adj. Alexander Winn, John Cross, Covington Hardy, Elisha Winn, Orasimus Winn. Wit: Jonathan Patterson, Thomas Gunn, Jr., Daniel Winn, Alexander Winn, Rec. 8 Jan. 1789. Elizabeth, wife of Bacon, relinquishes power. Deed book 16 page 76, 9 Sept. 1790--William Hardy of Lunenburg Co. to Joseph Winn, same, and Alexander Winn, same, for 7,334 lbs. of crop tobacco, sells equal and undivided third parts of a mill and 14 acers of land on Hounds Creek now occupied by said Hardy, being the same he purchased of Daniel Winn. Wit: George Marable, Thomas Jones, Covington Hardy. Rec. 13 Jan. 1791. Deed book 17 page 40, 6 Mar. 1795--Joseph Winn, Lunenburg Co., to Covington Hardy, same, for 35.12.0 sells 116 acers in Lunenburg Co., adj. Elisha Winn, said Hardy, Cross, and Alexander Winn. Wit: Charles Hardy, Miles Hardy, Dolly Hardy, Amelia Hardy. Elizabeth, wife of Joseph Winn, relinquishes power right. Rec: 9 Apr. 1795. Deed book 18 page 118, 11 June 1799--Mary Smith Hardy, Lunenburg Co., to Joseph Winn, same, for 20.0.0 sold 18 acers in Lunenburg Co., adj. James McFarland, Ellicks Meer, Samuel Love, (Thes?) Love. Rec: 13 June 1797. Will of Daniel Winn notes Will book 4 page 244, 23 April 1789--pr. Feb. CT. 1799, Will of Daniel Winn. Having before provided for the rest of his children, Daniel Winn gives remainder of his estate, real and personal, after just debts are paid, to son Joseph Winn. Wit: Jonathan Patterson, William Hardy, James Scott, Ashley Davis. Will of Joseph Winn notes Will book 5 page 20, Will of Joseph Winn, 28 March 1800, pr. June CT. 1800. Wife Elizabeth to have during her natural life... Negroes.... the land and Plantation whereon I now live, also, the Plantation called "my father's old place" lying on great Hounds Creek adjoining the land of Benjamin Bridgeforth and William Haktrue, also the land whereon my son Benjamin Winn now lives.... At the death of my loving wife Elizabeth Winn, the property lent her in this will, be equally divided between my eight children: Minor Winn, Daniel Winn, Joseph Winn, Banister Winn, Mourning Winn Gunn, Elizabeth Winn Brown, Sarah B. Winn, and the children of Benjamin Winn by his wife Cresssey Winn. (Note: Daughter Keturah Winn previously mentioned in the will, seems inadvertently to have been omitted at this point, though included in the count).......Executors to be wife Elizabeth, Minor and wife Elizabeth, Robert Hayes and wife Sally B., Richard Elliott and wife Keturah, and Joseph Winn of Lunenburg Co. all party of first part, to Bannister Winn of Lunenburg Co., party of second part. Deposition of property made following death of Elizabeth Winn, their mother, in accordance with will of Joseph Winn.
15.iii. JOHN WINN, b. Abt. 1745, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. Abt. 1821.He married (1) SUSANNAH STONE, daughter of JOHN STONE and ELIZABETH. He married (2) AGNES. 16.iv. THOMAS WINN, b. Abt. 1740, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. Abt. 1799.He married (1) JOYCE FERGUSON. He married (2) SARAH FRENCH, daughter of HENRY FRENCH. Notes for THOMAS WINN: 1850 Census of Lunenburg Co., Virginia: List a Thomas W. Winn age 43. Could this be the same ? Will made 1780, prorated 1781, Lunenburg Co., Va. see Lost Links pages 480, 481, and 482. Will names wife Sarah, as executrix. John Winn of Amelia, William Winn and Lydall Winn. Daniel (father) gives him 300 acers in Lunenburg Co., Va. on April 11, 1765. See Lost Links page 374.
v. WILLIAM WINN, b. Abt. 1752, Lunenburg County, Virginia; d. Abt. 1799; m. ELIZABETH ALLEN. Notes for WILLIAM WINN: Daniel (father) gave him 384 Acers and 60 pounds recorded 28 Apr., 1877 in Lunenburg Co., Virginia. Lost Links page 375.
17.vi. ALEXANDER WINN, b. 1755, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. January 14, 1828, Lunenburg Co., Virginia. He married (1) ELIZABETH BACON ALLEN 1775 in Virginia. He married (2) JANE STONE July 15, 1816 in Lunenburg Co., Virginia. *Notes for ALEXANDER WINN: Alexander receives: Lost Links page 375, Daniel Winn of Lunenburg Co., Va. for love and affection, gives to his son, Alexander Winn of same County, one tract of land lying in said County on the head of Hounds Creek, beginning at a white Oak, thence up Little Hounds Creek to Thomas Winns line, son of the said Daniel Winn containing 325 acers. William Taylor, C.L.C. Signed Daniel Winn, L.S.
Deed book 12 page 523, 23 October 1776, Daniel Winn of Lunenburg Co., to Alexander Winn, same, for natural love and affection to his son Alexander Winn, sells land in Lunenburg Co., on heads of Hounds Creek adjoining lines of Thomas Winn, carpenter, beginning at his corner white oak, thence up Little Hounds to Thomas Winn, son of said Daniel, his line, thence along that line to William Cross line, along his line to a white oak, thence along Thomas Winns line to beginning, containing by estimate 525 acers. Wit: William Hunley, David Stokes, Peter Jones. Deed book 17, page 25, 9 April 1795, Elizabeth Winn, wife of Alexander Winn, relinquishes her right to deed of Nathaniel Laffeen Sr. and Henry Hayes Jr. of Lunenburg Co., to Jerimiah Laffen, son of Nathaniel Laffen. (Note: Does this indicate that she was a Laffen or a Hayes before her marriage ?) -- Could this be Laffoon ???? -- Ernie Deed book 18 page 49, 22 Jan. 1780, Alexander Winn appointed executor (in place of Martisha Crenshaw) of will of Cornelius Crenshaw. 1794 Alexander Winn sold land in Lunenburg Co., Va., Elizabeth signed away dowry 2 April 1795. 1816 Alexander Winn of Lunenburg Co., and Jane Stone, widow and relict of Richard Stone, late of Lunenburg Co., married 5 July 1816 by Joel Johns. WB 7/280 and DB 24/234. From Marriages of Lunenburg Co., Va. 975.5643/v28m. 18.vii. ORSAMUS WINN, b. Abt. 1757, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. Abt. 1820, Madison County, Virginia. He married FRANCES PARKS JETTER Abt. 1788. Notes for ORASMUS WINN: Daniel (father) gives him 202 acers in Lunenburg Co., Va. on April 11, 1781. Per Lost Links page 375. 19.viii. JAMES WINN, b. April 15, 1757, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. June 14, 1815, Virginia. He married MARY ANN WINN May 15, 1778 in Virginia, daughter of JOHN WINN and SUSANNAH STONE. Notes for JAMES WINN'S MILITARY SERVICE: 14848 Revolutionary Record of Galanus Winn states that from Feb. 1779, six months in Capt. Joseph Winn's Company (solders brother), in Col. David Masons Regiment and was in battle of Stone. This service was as a substitute for his brother James. Vol 1 page 217 and page 219, "Sgt. James Winn muster roll of Capt. James Johnson" Pay Roll of Capt. James Johnson 1 April to 1 May 1776. The Archives Washington D.C. failed to have any record of James Winn. James Winn is listed among Va. tax payers 1782-1787, Fauquier Co., 2 polls and 8 slaves. 20.ix. ELISHA WINN, b. Abt. 1748, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. Abt. 1821, Madison Co., Alabama. He married LUCY ELLIOTT March 1811, daughter of JOHN ELLIOTT. Notes for ELISHA WINN'S MILITARY SERVICE: He was a Revolutionary Soldier removed from Lunenburg Co., Virginia to Madison County, Alabama about 1814. Lost Links page 127. His service included duty at Valley Forge as a member of the 6th. Va. Regiment. Elisha Winn, last payment of pension Certificate No. 12618, Alabama (Huntsville) Agency, covering the period from Sept. 4, 1819 to Mar. 4, 11820, was made on Mar. 24, 1820 at the Agency Office, State of Alabama to the pensioner. Daniel (father) gives him 300 acers in Lunenburg Co., Per Lost Links page 375. 21.x. GALLANAS/GUILLANUS WINN, b. February 04, 1760, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. May 15, 1839, Madison Co., Alabama. He married (1) MARY HARRISON. He married (2) REBECCA LESTER January 15, 1783. Notes for GALLANAS/GUILLANUS WINN AND HIS MILITARY SERVICE: In early life Galanus moved from Lunenburg Co., Virginia to Laurens Co., South Carolina. In 1827 he moved to Alabama. At age 17 he entered and served as a Pvt. in the Virginia Militia during the Revolution, he served three terms, one of which was for his brother James. He was in the battle of Stone. Last payment pension Certificate No 22750, Alabama Agency covering the period from 4 Mar.1838 to 4 Mar. 1839 at the Pension Agency in Huntsville, Alabama to George Weaver as attorney for the Pensioner. On Mar. 6, 1839 the Pensioner certified that he had resided in Madison Co., Ala. for about 15 years and previous to that he had lived in the State of South Carolina. (Rev. War Records, Archives, Washington, D.C.) One record says his wife was Mary Harrison (he may have been married twice) Galanus Winn Kin page 15. A note in the same book also states that it seems very likely that Galanus was the son of John Winn and Dorcia of Winnsboro, S.C. however no hard facts have been found to support this. Laurens Co. S.C. Deed book, page 313, 17 Feb. 1791, Rec. 9 Mar. 1791: John Young and Mary Young, his wife of Rutherford Co. N.C., to Galanus Winn of Laurens Co., S.C. for 100 lbs. Virginia Currency, 200 acers in Laurens Co., S.C. on both side of Simmons Creek, being land granted to said John Young bounded by Joseph Blackerly, Joseph Young and James Cook. Wit: Frances Lester and Robert Young, both made probate before William Nevill, J.P. X Rutherford Co., N.C., 17 Feb. 1789 (per Marie Hawthorne, Hendrick, Okla.). According to census reports Gallanus Winn moved to Madison Co., Alabama Abt. 1824 with his two brothers James and Joseph Winn. *See: Gallanus Winn Will (Owens History & Dictionary of Alabama, Biographies, Vol IV page 1789, Gallanus had a granddaughter which was living with him at his time of death. Per statistic of Gleen Vaughn. Columbus, Georgia. Lost Links, page 380. Gallanus names in his Will, Elizabeth Winn Todd, living in S.C., sons Edmund Winn and Andrew Winn.
xi. FRANCES WINN, b. Abt. 1762; d. Unknown. 22.xii. MOURNING WINN, b. October 01, 1763; d. November 15, 1807, North Carolina. She married JAMES R. GUNN December 26, 1789 in Amelia County, Virginia. Notes for JAMES R. GUNN: James Gunn was a Methodist Minister and moved to Tennessee about 1811.
Research from older Alexander Winn Profile Page
- Daniel Built a mill over Hounds Creek: Deed book 10, page 336, 25 Feb., 1766, Daniel Winn assessed 3.0.0 for damages to Land of William Hardy by Winns Mill over Hounds Creek.
- Deed Book 11 page 183, 23 July, 1768, Daniel and his wife Sarah of Lunenburg, Co, to John Winn, same, for 150.0.0 sold 300 acers in Lunenburg, Co., on Hounds Creek beginning at Isley's Corner branch on Falls Creek. Witnessed: Thomas Winn, Joseph Winn and Thomas Winn Jr. Recorded 11 Aug., 1768
- Deed Book 11 page 183, 23 July, 1768, Daniel and his wife Sarah of Lunenburg, Co, to John Winn, same, for 150.0.0 sold 300 acers in Lunenburg, Co., on Hounds Creek beginning at Isley's Corner branch on Falls Creek. Witnessed: Thomas Winn, Joseph Winn and Thomas Winn Jr. Recorded 11 Aug., 1768
- Sarah must have died by 1776 as she did not relinquish power in deed book 12, page 523 in actions of Daniel Winn to Alexander.
- Children of SARAH TENCH and DANIEL WINN are:
- 13.i. MARTISHA6 WINN, b. Abt. 1740, Lunenburg County, Virginia; d. Abt. 1798, Lunenburg County, Virginia. She married (1) CORNELIUS CRENSHAW Abt. 1760 in Lunenburg County, Virginia. She married (2) JAMES JENNINGS December 18, 1787 in Lunenburg Co., Virginia.
- Notes for MARTISHA WINN:
- Lunenburg County Virginia Records:
- Deed Book 6 page 404, 6 April 1761, Daniel Winn of Lunenburg Co., for natural love and affection which he bears for his daughter Martisha, wife of Cornelius Crenshaw, deeds to said Crenshaw a negro gal named Samander and her increase.
- Daniel (father) gave Martisha property in Lunenburg Co., Va. 6 April 1761. Chadwick Book. Notes for CORNELIUS CRENSHAW:
- Lunenburg County, Virginia Records
- Will book 3 page 240 Dec. 28, 1785--pr. Feb. 9, 1788 names wife Martisha and sons Daniel, Nathan, Pleasant, Cornelius and Forten (fortune), wife Martisha and son Daniel to be executors.
- Will book 4 page 97 9 July, 1975 Estate of Cornelius Crenshaw administered by James Jennings and Martisha, his wife.
- NOTE: Martisha Winn Crenshaw, widow of Cornelius, married James Jennings Dec. 18, 1787. They had a son, Alex Winn Jennings, born May 13, 1790.
- Deed book 18, page 49, 14 June, 1798--Alexander Winn appointed executor in place of Martisha Crenshaw estate of Cornelius Crenshaw.
- 14.ii. JOSEPH WINN, b. Abt. 1743, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. Abt. 1800, Lunenburg Co., Virginia. He married ELIZABETH WINN Abt. 1775 in Lunenburg County, Virginia, daughter of THOMAS WINN and ELIZABETH WINN.
- Notes for JOSEPH WINN: Lunenburg County Virginia Records:
- Deed book 11 page 150, 12 May 1768--Joseph Winn and Elizabeth Winn his wife of Cumberland Parish, Lunenburg Co., to William Hardy, same, for 29.6.3.sold tract containing 67 acers in Cumberland Parish on south branches of Hounds Creek adj. Hardy and Buford. Wit: one Rec: 19 May 1768.
- Deed book 14, page 169, 22 Jan. 1780--Daniel Winn and Joseph Winn of Lunenburg Co. sold to William Hardy and Lyddal Bacon of Lunenburg Co., 20,000 wt. of crop tobacco for 14 acers. Wit: Samuel Garland, Thomas Hardy and John Winn. Rec. 10 Feb. 1785.
- Deed book 13 page 399, 10 Sept. 1781-- Covington Hardy and William Hardy of Lunenburg Co., to Joseph Winn, same, for 250.0.0 sold 79 acers of land in Lunenburg Co.
- Deed book 15, page 307, 6 Dec. 1789--Lyddal Bacon of Lunenburg Co. to Joseph Winn, same for 100.0.0 sold 325 acers in Lunenburg Co. on branch of Hounds Creek adj. Alexander Winn, John Cross, Covington Hardy, Elisha Winn, Orasimus Winn. Wit: Jonathan Patterson, Thomas Gunn, Jr., Daniel Winn, Alexander Winn, Rec. 8 Jan. 1789. Elizabeth, wife of Bacon, relinquishes power.
- Deed book 16 page 76, 9 Sept. 1790--William Hardy of Lunenburg Co. to Joseph Winn, same, and Alexander Winn, same, for 7,334 lbs. of crop tobacco, sells equal and undivided third parts of a mill and 14 acers of land on Hounds Creek now occupied by said Hardy, being the same he purchased of Daniel Winn. Wit: George Marable, Thomas Jones, Covington Hardy. Rec. 13 Jan. 1791.
- Deed book 17 page 40, 6 Mar. 1795--Joseph Winn, Lunenburg Co., to Covington Hardy, same, for 35.12.0 sells 116 acers in Lunenburg Co., adj. Elisha Winn, said Hardy, Cross, and Alexander Winn. Wit: Charles Hardy, Miles Hardy, Dolly Hardy, Amelia Hardy. Elizabeth, wife of Joseph Winn, relinquishes power right. Rec: 9 Apr. 1795.
- Deed book 18 page 118, 11 June 1799--Mary Smith Hardy, Lunenburg Co., to Joseph Winn, same, for 20.0.0 sold 18 acers in Lunenburg Co., adj. James McFarland, Ellicks Meer, Samuel Love, (Thes?) Love. Rec: 13 June 1797.
Will of Daniel Winn notes
- Will book 4 page 244, 23 April 1789--pr. Feb. CT. 1799, Will of Daniel Winn. Having before provided for the rest of his children, Daniel Winn gives remainder of his estate, real and personal, after just debts are paid, to son Joseph Winn. Wit: Jonathan Patterson, William Hardy, James Scott, Ashley Davis.
Will of Joseph Winn notes
- Will book 5 page 20, Will of Joseph Winn, 28 March 1800, pr. June CT. 1800.
Wife Elizabeth to have during her natural life... Negroes.... the land and Plantation whereon I now live, also, the Plantation called "my father's old place" lying on great Hounds Creek adjoining the land of Benjamin Bridgeforth and William Haktrue, also the land whereon my son Benjamin Winn now lives....
At the death of my loving wife Elizabeth Winn, the property lent her in this will, be equally divided between my eight children: Minor Winn, Daniel Winn, Joseph Winn, Banister Winn, Mourning Winn Gunn, Elizabeth Winn Brown, Sarah B. Winn, and the children of Benjamin Winn by his wife Cresssey Winn. (Note: Daughter Keturah Winn previously mentioned in the will, seems inadvertently to have been omitted at this point, though included in the count).......Executors to be wife Elizabeth, Minor and wife Elizabeth, Robert Hayes and wife Sally B., Richard Elliott and wife Keturah, and Joseph Winn of Lunenburg Co. all party of first part, to Bannister Winn of Lunenburg Co., party of second part. Deposition of property made following death of Elizabeth Winn, their mother, in accordance with will of Joseph Winn.
- 15.iii. JOHN WINN, b. Abt. 1745, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. Abt. 1821.He married (1) SUSANNAH STONE, daughter of JOHN STONE and ELIZABETH. He married (2) AGNES.
- 16.iv. THOMAS WINN, b. Abt. 1740, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. Abt. 1799.He married (1) JOYCE FERGUSON. He married (2) SARAH FRENCH, daughter of HENRY FRENCH.
- Notes for THOMAS WINN: 1850 Census of Lunenburg Co., Virginia:
List a Thomas W. Winn age 43. Could this be the same ?
- Will made 1780, prorated 1781, Lunenburg Co., Va. see Lost Links pages 480, 481, and 482. Will names wife Sarah, as executrix. John Winn of Amelia, William Winn and Lydall Winn.
- Daniel (father) gives him 300 acers in Lunenburg Co., Va. on April 11, 1765. See Lost Links page 374.
- v. WILLIAM WINN, b. Abt. 1752, Lunenburg County, Virginia; d. Abt. 1799; m. ELIZABETH ALLEN.
- Notes for WILLIAM WINN: Daniel (father) gave him 384 Acers and 60 pounds recorded 28 Apr., 1877 in Lunenburg Co., Virginia. Lost Links page 375.
- 17.vi. ALEXANDER WINN, b. 1755, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. January 14, 1828, Lunenburg Co., Virginia. He married (1) ELIZABETH BACON ALLEN 1775 in Virginia. He married (2) JANE STONE July 15, 1816 in Lunenburg Co., Virginia. *Notes for ALEXANDER WINN: Alexander receives:
- Lost Links page 375, Daniel Winn of Lunenburg Co., Va. for love and affection, gives to his son, Alexander Winn of same County, one tract of land lying in said County on the head of Hounds Creek, beginning at a white Oak, thence up Little Hounds Creek to Thomas Winns line, son of the said Daniel Winn containing 325 acers. William Taylor, C.L.C. Signed Daniel Winn, L.S.
- Deed book 12 page 523, 23 October 1776, Daniel Winn of Lunenburg Co., to Alexander Winn, same, for natural love and affection to his son Alexander Winn, sells land in Lunenburg Co., on heads of Hounds Creek adjoining lines of Thomas Winn, carpenter, beginning at his corner white oak, thence up Little Hounds to Thomas Winn, son of said Daniel, his line, thence along that line to William Cross line, along his line to a white oak, thence along Thomas Winns line to beginning, containing by estimate 525 acers. Wit: William Hunley, David Stokes, Peter Jones.
- Deed book 12 page 523, 23 October 1776, Daniel Winn of Lunenburg Co., to Alexander Winn, same, for natural love and affection to his son Alexander Winn, sells land in Lunenburg Co., on heads of Hounds Creek adjoining lines of Thomas Winn, carpenter, beginning at his corner white oak, thence up Little Hounds to Thomas Winn, son of said Daniel, his line, thence along that line to William Cross line, along his line to a white oak, thence along Thomas Winns line to beginning, containing by estimate 525 acers. Wit: William Hunley, David Stokes, Peter Jones.
- Deed book 17, page 25, 9 April 1795, Elizabeth Winn, wife of Alexander Winn, relinquishes her right to deed of Nathaniel Laffeen Sr. and Henry Hayes Jr. of Lunenburg Co., to Jerimiah Laffen, son of Nathaniel Laffen. (Note: Does this indicate that she was a Laffen or a Hayes before her marriage ?) -- Could this be Laffoon ???? -- Ernie
- Deed book 17, page 25, 9 April 1795, Elizabeth Winn, wife of Alexander Winn, relinquishes her right to deed of Nathaniel Laffeen Sr. and Henry Hayes Jr. of Lunenburg Co., to Jerimiah Laffen, son of Nathaniel Laffen. (Note: Does this indicate that she was a Laffen or a Hayes before her marriage ?) -- Could this be Laffoon ???? -- Ernie
- 1794 Alexander Winn sold land in Lunenburg Co., Va., Elizabeth signed away dowry 2 April 1795.
- 1794 Alexander Winn sold land in Lunenburg Co., Va., Elizabeth signed away dowry 2 April 1795.
- 1816 Alexander Winn of Lunenburg Co., and Jane Stone, widow and relict of Richard Stone, late of Lunenburg Co., married 5 July 1816 by Joel Johns. WB 7/280 and DB 24/234. From Marriages of Lunenburg Co., Va. 975.5643/v28m.
- 1816 Alexander Winn of Lunenburg Co., and Jane Stone, widow and relict of Richard Stone, late of Lunenburg Co., married 5 July 1816 by Joel Johns. WB 7/280 and DB 24/234. From Marriages of Lunenburg Co., Va. 975.5643/v28m.
- 18.vii. ORSAMUS WINN, b. Abt. 1757, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. Abt. 1820, Madison County, Virginia. He married FRANCES PARKS JETTER Abt. 1788. Notes for ORASMUS WINN: Daniel (father) gives him 202 acers in Lunenburg Co., Va. on April 11, 1781. Per Lost Links page 375.
- 19.viii. JAMES WINN, b. April 15, 1757, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. June 14, 1815, Virginia. He married MARY ANN WINN May 15, 1778 in Virginia, daughter of JOHN WINN and SUSANNAH STONE.
- Notes for JAMES WINN'S MILITARY SERVICE: 14848 Revolutionary Record of Galanus Winn states that from Feb. 1779, six months in Capt. Joseph Winn's Company (solders brother), in Col. David Masons Regiment and was in battle of Stone. This service was as a substitute for his brother James.
- Vol 1 page 217 and page 219, "Sgt. James Winn muster roll of Capt. James Johnson" Pay Roll of Capt. James Johnson 1 April to 1 May 1776. The Archives Washington D.C. failed to have any record of James Winn. James Winn is listed among Va. tax payers 1782-1787, Fauquier Co., 2 polls and 8 slaves.
- 20.ix. ELISHA WINN, b. Abt. 1748, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. Abt. 1821, Madison Co., Alabama. He married LUCY ELLIOTT March 1811, daughter of JOHN ELLIOTT.
- Notes for ELISHA WINN'S MILITARY SERVICE: He was a Revolutionary Soldier removed from Lunenburg Co., Virginia to Madison County, Alabama about 1814. Lost Links page 127. His service included duty at Valley Forge as a member of the 6th. Va. Regiment. Elisha Winn, last payment of pension Certificate No. 12618, Alabama (Huntsville) Agency, covering the period from Sept. 4, 1819 to Mar. 4, 11820, was made on Mar. 24, 1820 at the Agency Office, State of Alabama to the pensioner.
- Daniel (father) gives him 300 acers in Lunenburg Co., Per Lost Links page 375.
- 21.x. GALLANAS/GUILLANUS WINN, b. February 04, 1760, Lunenburg Co., Virginia; d. May 15, 1839, Madison Co., Alabama. He married (1) MARY HARRISON. He married (2) REBECCA LESTER January 15, 1783.
- Notes for GALLANAS/GUILLANUS WINN AND HIS MILITARY SERVICE:
- In early life Galanus moved from Lunenburg Co., Virginia to Laurens Co., South Carolina. In 1827 he moved to Alabama. At age 17 he entered and served as a Pvt. in the Virginia Militia during the Revolution, he served three terms, one of which was for his brother James. He was in the battle of Stone. Last payment pension Certificate No 22750, Alabama Agency covering the period from 4 Mar.1838 to 4 Mar. 1839 at the Pension Agency in Huntsville, Alabama to George Weaver as attorney for the Pensioner. On Mar. 6, 1839 the Pensioner certified that he had resided in Madison Co., Ala. for about 15 years and previous to that he had lived in the State of South Carolina. (Rev. War Records, Archives, Washington, D.C.)
- One record says his wife was Mary Harrison (he may have been married twice) Galanus Winn Kin page 15. A note in the same book also states that it seems very likely that Galanus was the son of John Winn and Dorcia of Winnsboro, S.C. however no hard facts have been found to support this.
- Laurens Co. S.C. Deed book, page 313, 17 Feb. 1791, Rec. 9 Mar. 1791: John Young and Mary Young, his wife of Rutherford Co. N.C., to Galanus Winn of Laurens Co., S.C. for 100 lbs. Virginia Currency, 200 acers in Laurens Co., S.C. on both side of Simmons Creek, being land granted to said John Young bounded by Joseph Blackerly, Joseph Young and James Cook. Wit: Frances Lester and Robert Young, both made probate before William Nevill, J.P. X Rutherford Co., N.C., 17 Feb. 1789 (per Marie Hawthorne, Hendrick, Okla.). According to census reports Gallanus Winn moved to Madison Co., Alabama Abt. 1824 with his two brothers James and Joseph Winn. *See: Gallanus Winn Will (Owens History & Dictionary of Alabama, Biographies, Vol IV page 1789, Gallanus had a granddaughter which was living with him at his time of death. Per statistic of Gleen Vaughn. Columbus, Georgia.
- Lost Links, page 380. Gallanus names in his Will, Elizabeth Winn Todd, living in S.C., sons Edmund Winn and Andrew Winn.
- xi. FRANCES WINN, b. Abt. 1762; d. Unknown.
- 22.xii. MOURNING WINN, b. October 01, 1763; d. November 15, 1807, North Carolina. She married JAMES R. GUNN December 26, 1789 in Amelia County, Virginia.
Notes for JAMES R. GUNN: James Gunn was a Methodist Minister and moved to Tennessee about 1811.
Will of Alexander Winn
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For Researchers
- + Winn Surname Project at FTDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/winn/about/news provides conclusive lineage evidence and opportunities for discussion and is always incorporating additional information as the DNA participant data base adds to community knowledge. - In the name of God Amen, I Alexander Winn Senr of the County of Lunenburg and State of Virginia, being of a sound disposing mind and memory, do make this my last will and testament in manner and form following, to-wit: My will and desire is that all my estate both real and personal be sold on a credit of twelve months, and after paying all my just debts for the balance of the money that may remain to be equally divided between all my children by name, viz, my sons Lydall Winn, Daniel M. Winn, Hinchy Winn, William Winn, Alexander Winn, Jonathan P. Winn, Joseph E. Winn and Asa B. Winn, my daughters Frances G. Pyles, Rebecca M. Jackson, Eliza R. Snead, Pamela B. Oliver, Sally B. Morgan and my Grandaughter Susan P. W. Newbill, to them and their heirs forever. Lastly, I nominate and appoint my sons Joseph E. Winn and Asa B. Winn, Executors to this my last will and Testament. I wish no Inventory or appraisement to be taken of my Estate neither is it my wish, that my Executors shall give security. I hereby revoking all wills heretofore made by me, declaring this to be my last will and testament, in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal this first day of December 1825. + - Alexander Winn (Seal) + - Signed Sealed & delivered in the presence of: + - D. Street, James Smith, Wm Snead Jr, Edmd Hardy, Edmd Winn + - In Lunenburg County Court the 14th day of January, 1828. + - The within written last Will and Testament of Alexander Winn, decd, was presented in Court, and proved by the oath of two of the witnesses thereto subscribed, and ordered to be recorded. And on the motion of Joseph E. Winn one of the Executors named in the said Will who made oath according to law certificate is granted him for obtaining probate of the said Will in due form Whereupon, he entered into and acknowledged a bond for that purpose with approved security, conditioned as law requires. + - Teste: + - Wm. H. Taylor + - Recorded: Will Book 9, pages 223-224 + - A Copy Teste: + - W. R. Moore, Clerk + - Lunenburg County, Virginia Circuit Court + - by Grace T. Marshall, Deputy Clerk + -
- Lyddal Bacon Jr DEED OF GIFT Lunenburg County mentions son Thomas Winn Bacon, witnessed by Alexander Winn
+ Wikitree Free-Space Page. - Lunenburg Co, VA, Deed Book 14, p.103 + Col_Thomas_and_Daniel_Winn_Research_History [please request "trusted list" on that page for notifications of changes]. Contains history of prior internet published blogs/conclusions +
- Incudes content of Daniel Winn/Sarah Tench family data previously presented here.
- I, Lyddal Bacon of Lunenurg, for the love I have for my children, Susanna Bacon, Sarah Bacon, Lyddal Bacon, and Thomas Winn Bacon, have given to them the following slaves: Lyddia, Elizabeth, John, Esther, and Sampson together with their future increase, reserving only my own life in the aforesaid slaves; I will stand seized of the same during my natural life to the use & behoof of my children, and them only, so that at my decease (or sooner as I see proper) the slaves will be equally divided among my children. Signed Aug 25, 1784 - Lyddal Bacon. Wit - Alexr Winn, Edmd Pks Bacon [Edmund Parkes Bacon, Lydall Jr's brother], Peter Stokes, David Stokes. Recorded Sep 9, 1784. + The blog Genealogical Blog Digging Up Dead Relatives: -- Legends, Outright Lies, and Useful Facts About Our Ancestors http://digupdeadrelatives.com/category/articles/winn-articles/ provides a blog article with theories and analysis of the ChristChurch data and offers competing theories as to the implications. It is well worth your consideration.
Research Notes About Elizabeth Barnes
- First, to check the logic, I looked at Ancestry trees for each and every child of Aaron and Deborah, then every grandchild to get a feel for this family. All had precise birth records, lived and died in Worcester. A close knit family and none had ever moved away. It just seemed to be a far reach to think that a woman from Massachusetts would marry a man from Virginia. Yes, it did happen, but rarely. Travel was usually by horse and buggy in those days and marriages were usually made between allied families from the local church. nearby neighbors or cousins.
- HERE ARE THE FACTS:
- From Massachusetts Town Vital Collections 1620-1988 +
- 1. Deborah Old died 19 Mar 1771 in Brookfield, Worcester, Massachusetts
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- 2. Aaron Barnes remarried Elizabeth Gilbert on 8 Oct 1771 of that same year in Brookfield. They had one child named Huldah born 1774 died 1778. A child.
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- 3. Elizabeth Barnes (dau of Aaron Barnes and Deborah Old) born 1753 died 24 Dec 1774 in Brookfield. AGE 21 YEARS. The death record clearly states that her father was Aaron Barnes and her mother Elizabeth Barnes. Elizabeth (Gilbert) was actually her step mother.
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- Note: Alexander Winn d. 1828 may have been married to an Elizabeth Barnes although I can't find any documentation to support this. She cannot be the dau of Aaron and Deborah Old. Elizabeth Winn, Alexander's wife is said to have died in 1815 in Lunenburg.
- I am intrigued by the record in the International Marriage Records on Ancestry which are submitted by individuals not Court or Parish Registers that names Elizabeth Bacon Allen as Alexander Winn's wife? Alexander Winn did name his first son, Lyddall Winn which is a family name carried in every generation of the Bacon line.
- There is also a Lyddall Bacon that married Mary Ann Allen living in Lunenburg County that would fit for Elizabeth's parents and they do have a dau named Elizabeth Bacon. If someone else's research is correct, she was married to a Gordon and moved to the South, however. More research needed there
- Alexander Winn is also a witness to a Deed of Gift for Lydall Bacon, 9 Sept 1784. Lunenburg Co Deed Book 14, pg 103. Lydall Bacon mentions a son named Thomas Winn Bacon.
- Let me know if you have supporting documents for any of this.
- Thank you, Mary Gresham Gresham-1033
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