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DNA COLLABORATIONS FOR EMANUEL HARVEY AND ELIZABETH UNKNOWN

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STUDY ON DESCENDANTS OF EMANUEL HARVEY AND ELIZABETH (UNKNOWN) HARVEY [1] [2]

I am but an egg

Results for Harvey autosomal chromosomal map in DNA Painter [3]


John Byrd 8.1 cM 17 Chr

As we don't yet know who Elizabeth's family is, we cannot clarify the path between her and her mtDNA. We know she is Susannah McElveen/Burnside/Bragg's mother. Susannah was widowed at least twice, but as I'm following a very specific line for the mtDNA, the focus is on the relevant McElveens.

MyHeritage Ethnicity Estimate: https://www.myheritage.com/dna/ethnicity/1077850081 MITOCHONDRIAL TRAIL:

1. MOTHER: Grace Rogers (Canaday Moyer) 2. GRANDMOTHER: Alma Groover 3. GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Margaret Elizabeth Groover 4. 2ND GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Susan "Katie" (McElveen) Wise 5. 3RD GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Susannah (Harvey) McElveen Burnside Bragg 6. 4TH GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Elizabeth Harvey

NOTE: European royal connections typically follow my fourth generation great grandmother Susan "Katie" (McElveen) Wise who married Bridger John Wise WISE whose descendants are on the following PATH TO William "the Conqueror", king of England

Follow https://www.geni.com/people/Bridger-Wise/6000000065654509885?through=6000000065653729154's tree

5. FATHER: John James Wise 6. MOTHER: Margaret Wise a.k.a Margaret Denmark 7. MOTHER: Anna Denmark a.k.a Anna Moye 8. FATHER: John Moye, III 9. FATHER: John Moye, Jr. 10. MOTHER: Dorothy Moye who immigrated here from Great Britain 11. FATHER: Richard Wheeler 12. MOTHER: Agnes Wheeler 13. FATHER: John Dudley, 1st Duke of Northumberland, 1st Earl of Warwick 14. MOTHER: Elizabeth Dudley, 6th Baroness Lisle 15. MOTHER: Ankaret Talbot, Baroness of Talbot 16. MOTHER: Mary FitzAlan, Baroness Strange of Blackmere 17. MOTHER: Alice de Warenne, Countess of Arundel 18. FATHER: William de Warenne of Surrey 19. FATHER: John de Warenne, 6th Earl of Surrey 20. FATHER: William de Warenne, 5th Earl of Surrey 21. FATHER: Hamelin de Warenne, Earl of Surrey 22. MOTHER: Adelaide de Angers (Possibly Empress Mathilda) 23. FATHER: Henry I "Beauclerc", King of England 24. FATHER: William "the Conqueror", king of England


mtDNA's line is 5th generation

5. SUSANNAH HARVEY MCELVEEN BURNSIDE: https://www.geni.com/projects/From-Patrick-McIlvaine-of-the-House-of-Grimmet-to-Post-Colonial-McElveens/4494057

Contents

Paul Sorenson

AUTOSOMAL

atDNA report on this family is on DNAPainter INDEX under the "Harveys of Bryan County". DNA Colloborations for Emanuel Harvey and Elizabeth (Unknown) Harvey: Finding the MRCA to PAUL SORENSON

Paul Sorensen Relationship to me We didn't find any common ancestors within the first 5 Generations in our Tree - however GEDMATCH: Paul: HE4401353 - Amanda: UZ9855520 the result = Largest segment = 5.7 cM Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 72.3cM (2.016 Pct) 19 shared segments found for this comparison. 472013 SNPs used for this comparison. 68.014 Pct SNPs are full identical. I uploaded this result into DNA Painter.

Elizabeth the 5th Generation (Colonial Georgia) being on my mother's branch. His mother's line came from Sweden and immigrated to Illinois by the 3d Generation. ftDNA: Mitochondrial DNA test-takers in the direct maternal line: Family Tree DNA mtDNA Test Full Sequence, haplogroup H1-C16239T, FTDNA kit #B713912

Amanda Torrey Wikitree ID Moyer-780 Family Tree DNA mtDNA Test Full Sequence, haplogroup H1-C16239T, FTDNA kit #B734779, MitoYDNA ID T14920

Wikitree ID Sorensen-4427

Connection to me [27]

Relationship to me: 14th Cousins with 215 through my maternal grandfather's line [ https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Relationship&actio...]

DNA RESEARCH DNA COLLABORATIONS

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:DNA_COLLABORATIONS_FOR_EMANUEL_...


Swedish Connection

Paul Sorensen's Mitochondrial DNA is an exact match with Distance = 0 Amanda (Moyer) Torrey: Family Tree DNA mtDNA Test Full Sequence, haplogroup H1-C16239T, FTDNA kit #B734779, MitoYDNA ID T14920 [compare] [test details]

Paul Sorensen: Family Tree DNA mtDNA Test Full Sequence, haplogroup H1-C16239T, FTDNA kit #B713912 [test details]

Genetic Distance = 0 Paul Sorensen: email speaker_notes GEDCOM Viewer FMS FF https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Persdotter-7748 H1-C16239T 1/9/2023; Maternal family did not immigrate to Illinois until late 19th Century: [4]

Relationship with [Moyer-780]: 17th Counsins through maternal father's branch [5] which points toward a British, not Swedish connection.

RESEARCH

  • 13 Sept 2023: Forefathers of New Sweden Colony [6] America's Forgotten Swedish Colony [7]
  • 16 Sept 2023: Maternal Norwegian Connection [8]


The Swedish connection is again through royals which connects directly to Katie McElveen Wise and her husband's Norman Connections

There are Maternal bloodlines which by pass Katie and her Wise Path; Susannah and her McElveen path. The bridge has not yet been forged with the unknown Elizabeth.

Paul Sorenson's lineage is Swedish. These are Swedish bloodlines traced through "Wise" and a 4th generaltional paternal line. We need to triangulate Paul Sorenson with the following ancestors.

Swedish pre-Norman Blood Relations

Frederik Gottschalk Haxthausen Due [9]

See Eidsberg og indre Smaalenene kjente personer [10]

Holger Ferslew Sinding is your 29th cousin once removed [11]

Jan Garbarek is your 29th cousin twice removed [12]

Johan Andreas Svensen Østensvik is your 26th cousin once removed [13]

Ingvar Henry Bakken is your 26th cousin once removed [14]

Knut Lie is your 26th cousin once removed [15]

Nils Nilsen Rød (Buer) is your 25th cousin twice removed [16]

Brynild Iversen Nysterud is your 25th cousin twice removed [17]

Anders Jensen Fremmegård is your 24th cousin thrice removed [18]

Rolf Slang Haneborg is your 23rd cousin four times removed [19]

Petter Asbjørn Aarnæs Haneborg is your 23rd cousin thrice removed [20]

Petter Christensen Tolsby is your 22nd cousin thrice removed [21]

Anton Hamil Olsen Mysen is your 22nd cousin thrice removed [22]

Thea Christiansen Foss is your 22nd cousin thrice removed [23]

Hans Kristian Christensen Høie is your 21st cousin four times removed [24]

Håkon IV, king of Norway is your 21st great aunt's father [25]

Kristoffer Marinius Andersen Fange is your 20th cousin five times removed [26]

Johan Torvald Andersen Fange is your 20th cousin five times removed [27]

Gulbrand Evensen Sukken is your 20th cousin five times removed [28]

Norwegian Pre-Norman Blood Relations

Erna Solberg is your 23 Cousin 5 times removed [29]

Sources

  1. https://segmentology.org/
  2. https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/199470/are-you-using-audna-segments-which-are-less-than-7-cm?show=245672#a245672
  3. https://dnapainter.com/profile/250063
  4. Paul Sorensen's Tree [1]
  5. Paul Sorensen's Wikitree Relationship with Amanda Torrey [2]
  6. Forefathers of New Sweden Colony [3]
  7. America's Forgotten Swedish Colony [4]
  8. Projects » Norges Statsministere (Norwegian) [5]
  9. Frederik Gottschalk Haxthausen Due [6]
  10. Eidsberg og indre Smaalenene kjente personer [7]
  11. Holger Ferslew Sinding [8]
  12. Jan Gararek [9]
  13. Johan Andreas Svensen Østensvik [10]
  14. Ingvar Henry Bakken [11]
  15. Knut Lie [12]
  16. Nils Nilsen Rod (Buer) [13]
  17. Brynild Iversen Nysterud [14]
  18. Anders Jensen Fremmegård[15]
  19. Rolf Slang Haneborg [16]
  20. Petter Asbjørn Aarnæs Haneborg [17]
  21. Petter Christeensen Tolsby [18]
  22. Anton Hamil Olsen Mysen [19]
  23. Thea Christiansen Foss [20]
  24. Hans Kristian Chriostensen Hoie [21]
  25. Håkon IV, king of Norway [22]
  26. Kristoffer Marinus Andersen Fange [23]
  27. Johan Torvald Andersen Fange [24]
  28. Gulbrand Evensen Sukken [25]
  29. Erna Solberg [26]
  • An In-Depth Analysis of the Use of Small Segments as Genealogical Evidence




Collaboration


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Or the direct maternal line between the test taker and Elizabeth is incorrect at one or more generations.
I agree and you bring up some good points. I did edit the study above to hopefully address your issues.

I was thinking it should probably go on the other Elizabeth. FamilyTree DNA is partnered with Geni so they have an entirely different system there. Maybe now you would prefer I remove it from both Elizabeths and just keep it on the Project in Geni? It's up to you as to whether I keep it here or not. Just let me know.

posted by Amanda (Moyer) Torrey
edited by Amanda (Moyer) Torrey