DNA Study: Gillespies of the Colony of Virginia

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RESEARCH IN PROGRESS Moyer-780 18:55, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Purpose

The purpose of this study is to clarify two entirely different families named Gillespie whose histories became entangled in the colonies. This study begins with James Gillespie and Jennett Bean/Bennie who lived in Falkirk Scotland and emigrated to the colonies through Pennsylvania settling in Orange County.

The other was Robert Gillespie and |Agnes (Russell) Gillespie apparently born in Ulster Northern Ireland and emigrated to Botetourt, Virginia. They were both named Gillespie and lived relatively close together, apparently did business together and apparently intermarried once so the ancestors have been badly confused.

Glendennings from Dumfrieshire are a possible consideration.

Method

Refer to: https://segmentology.org/2020/01/31/in-defense-of-small-segments/

To Consider: DNA pile up regions. These are small DNA segments that seem to resist recombination. You can find a lot of information about them online, but much of it might be too technical for a casual discussion. One explanation I found and liked is by Edison Williams on Wikitree just a month ago: [43]

As well as Jim Barlett's Pile Ups: [44]

While reading Jim Bartlett's article "Defense of Small Segments" we need to consider it in the context of a larger discussion. He's not simply saying go ahead and use small segments.

(1) the smaller the segment the more likely it is to be a false positive. The usual threshold, depending on the expert is around 5 cM or 7 cM. GedMatch, for example, sets the default for matching at 7 cM. Jim Bartlett is suggesting it's okay to go lower but he warns us to proceed with great caution.

(2) Pile ups are a different but related issue. For reasons that are not yet well-understood, some DNA segments remain intact over many generations. This is especially true of smaller segments, for obvious reasons. Some of these segments have spread through large regional populations. meaning they are probably very old. Note: Gedmatch has allowed for Pile ups in its analyses.

Old Segments are breadcrumbs to older ancestors -- THINK SOURCE + SCIENCE + HISTORICAL RELEVANCE

If you look at small segments using a tool like DNA Painter, you quickly see that matches at the 3 to 5 cM level are a dime a dozen. Most of the time they'll be false matches, while in a few cases it will be easy to see how they are acting as population markers, then once in a while you'll find one that might be worth investigating. [KEY - OUR SPECIFIC POPULATION HAS SPECIFIC MARKERS ON THE 3cM level]

Jim Bartlett says he uses a formula: "have at least G independent Matches (at least cousins to each other) who all agree on the same Common Ancestor", where G is the number of generations back. His explanation makes it clear he talking about this number of people, not this number of small segments between two people.

THUS: I am 8 generations from Mary. If I share a common ancestor with Ian, the closest it could be would be Mary's grandfather (since her possible father was the immigrant on our side). That means at least 10 generations. Applying Jim's formula, we would need 10 matches (including me), all of whom are known or suspected descendants of Mary's Clendennin "grandfather", and all of whom match on the same one or two segments.

As Jim says, it's easy to find the matches, harder to prove their common ancestor. And even when we do, all we have in most cases is supporting evidence for our paper genealogy.

This family was fortunate enough to have interested cousins active on Wikitree that become a population OF multiple generations.

FINALLY Gedmatch has developed an app for us to organize common segments in common DNA tests uploaded to their site. I will continue to collect people that are curious, connect them with the appropriate family that will in turn create appropriate family branches. This will be important as I create the document that separates and categorizes the different Gillespies, Mary's family, so it becomes more difficult to erroneously merge the wrong families into this one while inviting the right ones AT THE SAME TIME guiding the erroneous people into their right places.

There is no panacea: Engage: ' SOURCE + SCIENCE +

Available Test Kits

We are confirming Genetic Connections between Descendant/Ancestors in the Gillespie and Glendenning Lines. Descendants from Pennsylvania came as a surprise from both Pennsylvania and Cowpasture/Scotland. As the Pennsylvania line is contraversial, I am using my test Amanda (Moyer) Torrey being a direct descendant of Nancy (Gillespie) Owens to represent continuation of the Pennsylvania lineage, mostly because I'm the most convenient for me to access. If anyone else wishes to join me let me know and I'll bring you in with me. I believe strengthening the Pennsylvania link to this family would be the best recourse since we seem to be the most suspicious connection.

James/William GillespieFALKIRK * Janice (Hartridge) Givens and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are fifth cousins once removed [36] Janice and Amanda have 111 common ancestors. Comparing Kit EQ7599379 (Janice Hatridge Givens) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.8 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 12.4cM (0.345 Pct); 3 shared segments found for this comparison; 173441 SNPs used for this comparison; 51.53 Pct SNPs are full identical; Chromosome 1, 13, 19. Note: Janice Hartridge is the leader of the DNA Connections on this line up the generations of both the Gillespies and Glendinnings so her autosomal data is important and relevant to information tying together the two families. She would NOT appear for example for Mary and Mayse or Mary and Archibald if in fact there was no connection. I will be exploring this further when I've completed the list of relevant Descendants.

ULSTER F LaVerne Gillespie Find Relationship : Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 111 markers, haplogroup I1d, FTDNA kit #45471 [test details] ~0.78% F LaVerne Gillespie Find Relationship : 23andMe [test details] + AncestryDNA, GEDmatch gill100fl [compare], Ancestry member lgillespie10 [test details] + Family Tree DNA Family Finder, FTDNA kit #45471 [test details]

DUMFRIESHIRE, Amanda (Moyer) Torrey and Ian Glendinning Comparing Kit T961533 (Ian Glendinning) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] have a match. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 20.3cM (0.567 Pct); 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 202798 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.164 Pct SNPs are full identical with Chromosomes 2, 8, 10, 12, 13. A match of 3-4 cMs is consistent when shared 18th Century MRCA.

Since Ian has the Y-DNA for Glendinnings then if This branch descends from one of his branches his data will automatically appear on our profiles and tie us together.

Matching Ian Glendinnings Autosomal DNA would mean once a connection between our Archibald with Ian Glendinning's extended family, he will appear on the male profiles on our line and we'll be closer to applying the plaid to the colonists as well as resolve William Gillespie's wife as Mary Glendinning.

Nancy (Gillespie) Owens PENNSYLVANIA

Amanda (Moyer) Torrey ~0.78% X DNA ~1.56% Amanda (Moyer) Torrey Find Relationship : MyHeritage DNA, GEDmatch UZ9855520 [compare], yourDNAportal AMA50dbac4e [test details]

Greg Welker ~0.78% Greg Welker Find Relationship : 23andMe, GEDmatch EE1864835 [compare] [test details] + AncestryDNA, GEDmatch NR9763633 [compare], Ancestry member gwelker_OH [test details] + Family Tree DNA Family Finder, GEDmatch CY8026799 [compare], FTDNA kit #802515 [test details] + Autosomal DNA Test, GEDmatch CZ698652C1 [compare] [test details] Quaker Ancestors?

Steven Wilson ~0.78% Greg Welker Find Relationship : 23andMe, GEDmatch EE1864835 [compare] [test details] + AncestryDNA, GEDmatch NR9763633 [compare], Ancestry member gwelker_OH [test details] + Family Tree DNA Family Finder, GEDmatch CY8026799 [compare], FTDNA kit #802515 [test details] + Autosomal DNA Test, GEDmatch CZ698652C1 [compare] [test details]

Bobbie Long ~0.39% X DNA ~0.78% Bobbie Long Find Relationship : 23andMe, GEDmatch M744209 [compare] [test details]

Martha (Demi) Houston ~0.39% Martha (Demi) Houston Find Relationship : 23andMe, GEDmatch M537437 [compare] [test details] + AncestryDNA, GEDmatch A894135 [compare], Ancestry member Med75 [test details]

Background

William Gilllespie

There is a large controversy re: trace DNA typically present in early 18th century ancestors. That is a whole discussion reviewed in my study connecting cousins with ancestors. We can emphatically say any DNA connection for any reason is best seen in connection with paper sources. Otherwise we have no clue what that DNA could mean, especially with 3-5 cMs.

Also vital is to see sources in terms of familial DNA connections to keep confusing information from perfectly reliable sources.

The example used for this profile is a profile in Family Search through William Gillespie whose parents are James and jannet Gillespie^[1] This William married Isabella Houston; they had 8 children, the oldest being Capt William Gillespie. That William on Family Search was buried in Blount County Tennessee and an ancestor of Elizabeth Allcorn Gillespie profile. She has an empty profile with just her husband William Franklin in it. At least he had a Family Search profile with a list of census. In 1860, the Franklins lived with her Gillespie brother and his smallish family. It's through this brother you get their parents and her grandfather, Capt William Gillespie,

whose father was William,

whose mother is Isabella Houston, and

we see grandparents being James and Jannet.

Of course we know this is the wrong family. The correct line is also in parish records, but we have the document where James swore in in Ireland and the map of the land he and his family settled in Augusta County. But probably the most compelling is that our family has 3 dozen DNA connections AND a Y-DNA that we're about ready to connect with what will hopefully prove the identity of our unknown mother and reunite her with her family. That piece will make it harder to make such mistakes with sources.

But the truly beautiful part of the system is that whenever DNA (Gedmatched) Connections appear in a familial profile, they automatically appear making it easy to create a path productively using trace DNA and making a genetic clan for that family.

NOTE: The ! means I have connected the DNA Connection with the Study.

DNA and Cousin Connections

FOLLOWING BREADCRUMBS

Referring to In Defense of Small Segments ^[2]

Identifying Descending Generations

There needed to be a "1st Generation" anchor identifying the family through Y-DNA test results. I found Ian Glendinning on Wikitree's Surname Index. He hasn't made a lot of contributions to Wikitree, but he did upload his Y-DNA and autosomal test results to establish a starting point.

Through comparing my Autosomal results with Ian, we share a common ancestor through trace 3-4 cMs over 5 segments. The closest MCRA possible would be Mary's grandfather (since her possible father was the immigrant on our side). That means by applying [Jim's- get full name] formula, we would need 10 matches with me, all of whom are known or suspected descendants of Mary's Clendennin "grandfather", and all of whom match on the same one or two segments. (Thank Justin Swanstrom)

In the following study, I used Primary Sources through Scotland's Parish Records, Gedmatch results and Wikitrees "Relationship to Me" to fill out valuable results with family.

GENERATIONS

FIRST GENERATION Ian Glendinning is a Glendinnings expert that lives in Aberdeen has a result for both autosomal and Y-DNA results AND what would seem to be a very well researched family tree. I suppose it helps living in Aberdeen. The profile Ian appears in is Archibald Glendinning, Fred Nix PM. ^[3] Fred's profile is a resource for this family.

Result:

Amanda (Moyer) Torrey and Ian Glendinning Comparing Kit T961533 (Ian Glendinning) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] have a match. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 20.3cM (0.567 Pct); 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 202798 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.164 Pct SNPs are full identical with Chromosomes 2, 8, 10, 12, 13. A match of 3-4 cMs is consistent when shared 18th Century MRCA.

Since Ian has the Y-DNA for Glendinnings then if This branch descends from one of his branches his data will automatically appear on our profiles and tie us together.

As I match Ian Glendinnings Autosomal DNA that would mean once we connect our Archibald with Ian Glendinning's extended family, he will appear on the male profiles on our line and we'll be closer to applying the plaid to the colonists as well as resolve William Gillespie's wife as Mary Glendinning.

I found Ian in our Surname Index by chance while researching the Glendinnings through Nancy Gillespie from York Pennsylvania. I did not think I'd have any connection with the Glendinnings. Nancy was born in York, over 330 miles north of Cowpasture so it seemed unlikely William Gillespie would take Mary north with him while she was almost to term, especially when he had children on their plantation at home and then not bring her back with her brothers and sisters. But we'll talk about that later.

An Archibald Glendinning was born ^[4]

Archibald Glendinning from Westerkirk married Jane Beatty 18 Jun 1724 ^[5]

He died in Westerkirk. Archibald and his wife did not seem to have children named Archibald Glendinning. ^[6]

Archibald from Westerkirk's Father is James. James married before 1700 Parrish kept records for marriages and births

1) Archibald - b. 27 Feb 1704 m. Jane Beatty in Westerkirk (See Above)

2) Jennet -b. 15 Mar 1702

3) James - b. 21 Apr 1704

For Children of James (Mary's paternal grandfather), Siblings of Archibald

The Parrish christened 25 Children born between 1700-1750 in Westerkirk Dumfries named Glendinning. There were 4 who were Archibalds siblings ^[7]

Archibald Jane had the following children:

1) Jennet b. 16 Nov. 1729 Westerkirk

2) James b. 14 Nov 1731 (maybe died when little) Westerkirk

3) John b.8 Dec 1734 Westerkirk

4) James b. 17 Dec 1738 Westerkirk

Following Breadcrumbs Archibald Glendinning if Mary's father might be Archibald from Westerkirk's Uncle (James Brother)

SECOND GENERATION Colonial ARCHIBALD's FATHER

THIRD GENERATION Archibald Glendinning and Esther Mayse

1) * :Scott Mitchell and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 7th cousins and both descended through Archibald Glendinning and his 2nd wife Esther (Mayse) Clendenning ^[8] Scott and Amanda have 234 common ancestors .

Scott Mitchell and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey Comparing Kit M152915 (*ScottM) [Migration - V3 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.4 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 11.7cM (0.327 Pct); 3 shared segments found for this comparison; 208080 SNPs used for this comparison; 51.494 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chrs 2, 7, 12. Scott matches on 2 & 12.

Note Scott's ancestor is John; Amanda's ancestor is Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie

2) Cheryl (Bailey) McMasters and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed. Cheryl and Amanda Descend from Esther (Mayse) Glendinning and Robert Burnside. Cheryl's ancestor is Rachel (Burnside) Wade. ^[9] There are 2 ways Charyl descends from Esther (Mayes) Burnside. Amanda and Cheryl have 3 Common Ancestors.

Comparing Kit A648408 (*Cheryl Bailey) [Migration - F2 - A] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.3 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 17.9cM (0.499 Pct). 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 198747 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.57 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 3, 5, 7 (2xs), 8

Note: As Cheryl descends from Esther (Mayes) Burnside, Esther's first husband, Cheryl is not a Glendinning, but our trace DNA would isolate Mayes DNA on chromosome 8.

3) Terry Green and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed ^[10] Terry and Amanda share 246 common ancestors. Terry descends from Esther (Mayes) Burnside, Esther's first husband.

[Expected connection between Cheryl Bailey and Terry Green through Burnside]

4) Yvonne (McCowen) Gammel and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 7th cousins once removed. ^[11] Yvonne and Amanda have 250 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit M436149 (Yvonne McCowan Gammell) [Migration - V4 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 6.3 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 6.3cM (0.175 Pct). 1 shared segments found for this comparison. 125439 SNPs used for this comparison. 48.517 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 6.3 cM on the 15th chromosome.

FOURTH GENERATION:  : Mary and her husband William Gillespie had 11 children

NOTE: Amanda's connection through Mary and William's daughter (#9) NANCY (GILLESPIE) OWENS FROM YORK PENNSYLVANIA. There has been serious contention that Nancy was William and Mary's daughter which means with an absence of available sources, her biological connection becomes important in a way that makes historical sense. There is a Pennsylvania contingent that is present and makes a DNA Connection with Nancy's siblings. Their context is the drama of the French Indian War.

• Descendants of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie) though (#1) Mary (Gillespie) Bowen:

1) Samuel Propst and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins ^[12] They share 54 Common Ancestors

2) Marie (Ward) Mills and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th Cousins and ^[13] They share 184 Common Ancestors.

3) Cindy DeVall and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th Cousins ^[14] They have 109 common ancestors.

4) Donna (Bennett) Prisley and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed ^[15]. Donna and Amanda have 270 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit T005126 (Donna Prisley) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.6 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 17.5cM (0.489 Pct). 4 shared segments found for this comparison. 201899 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.306 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 1, 2, 5, 13

5) [[Berry-17166|Daniel Berry} and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th Cousins once removed ^[16] They have 241 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit YD1345830 (*Dano) [Select a Company or Source] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.5 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 8.5cM (0.236 Pct). 2 shared segments found for this comparison.180107 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.059 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 13, 14

6) Timothy Upton and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th Cousins once removed ^[17] Timothy and Amanda have 184 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit CW9891526 (Timothy Upton) [FTDNA] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 3.7 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 43cM (1.2 Pct). 13 shared segments found for this comparison. 468474 SNPs used for this comparison. 68.086 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 1, 2, 5, 6, 11 (3xs), 12, 13, 16, 20 (3xs)

7) Lesley Lee Shockey and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed. ^[18] Lesley and Amanda have 7 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit T461689 (Lesley Shockey) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage]. Largest segment = 6.5 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 9.7cM (0.27 Pct). 2 shared segments found for this comparison. 203141 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.753 Pct SNPs are full identical Chromosomes 1, 15.

8) Diane (Howard) Farquharson and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed ^[19]. Amanda and Diane have 316 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit JN6833213 (*Dianne Howard) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] No shared DNA segments found. 180217 SNPs used for this comparison. Comparison took 0.203.

9) Susan Cox and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed ^[20] Susan and Amanda have 133 common ancestors.

10) Jessica Welton and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed. ^[21] Jessica and Amanda share 151 common ancestors.

11) . John Krone Jr. are 6th cousins once removed ^[22] John and Amanda have 221 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit EY3642225 (John Krone Jr) [MyHeritage] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage]: Largest segment = 5.6 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 21cM (0.587 Pct); 5 shared segments found for this comparison.; 173472 SNPs used for this comparison.; 51.55 Pct SNPs are full identical. Also important is the chart above is "Validity of Segments" and though I set the minimum segment size at its minimum 3, there is always a reading, 3-4 cMs over a number of segments. which are Chromosome 5, 7 (2xs) , 15, 21

12) Larry Shelley and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are are 6th cousins once removed ^[23] They share 271 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit M580051 (Larry Shelley) [Migration - V3 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 3.3 cM.Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 6.4cM (0.177 Pct). 2 shared segments found for this comparison. 210609 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.803 Pct SNPs are full identical.

• Descendants of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie through (#2) Simon Gillespie

1) Justin Howery and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed ^[24]. They share 261 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit M161907 (Justin Swanstrom) [Migration - V2 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] No shared DNA segments found; 124941 SNPs used for this comparison.

2) * Jeanne Swanstrom and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins. ^[25]They share 263 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit T575094 (Jeanne Swanstrom) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 3.8 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 14.2cM (0.396 Pct); 4 shared segments found for this comparison; 200386 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.286 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 1, 2, 11 (2xs).

• Descendants of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie through (#5) James Smiley Gillespie.

1) Margaret Gillespie and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins ^[26] Margaret and Amanda have only 2 connections with Amanda being James Smiley Gillespie and William Gillespie.

Note 1: James middle name "Smiley" is the same as a "Quaker" (unproven Moyer-780 22:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)) family. Benjamin Lownesberry, the son of John Carpenter Lownesberry from Bordentown, New Jersey (a Quaker bastion) and Drucilla Smiley from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (Also a Quaker stronghold) ultimately married Anna (Owens) Lownesberry the daughter of Nancy from York, Pennsylvania and John Owens' from York with Welsh parents. ^[27]. Though not definitive, it is another clue to explore. James Smiley Gillespie was born 9 years before Nancy which would mean the Gillespies might have been a part of this Quaker community for a decade before William took a pregnant Mary to York to deliver their baby.

Note 2: James Smiley Gillespie married Isabella Gillespie which is not as strange as it sounds. Isabella comes from a branch of Gillespies that come from Kirkcaldy not Falkirk like James. There is an opportunity through their marriage to bring 3 branches from Scotland together: Gillespies Agriculturalists from Falkirk through James Gillespie, Gillespie Scholars from Kirkcaldy.

• Descendants of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie and Moyer-780 and Moyer-780 through (#6) [Gillespie-560|John Gillespie]]

Mark Armstrong and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed ^[28] Mark and Amanda have 249 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit A222365 (Mark Armstrong) [Migration - F2 - A] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage]: Largest segment = 5.2 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 19.7cM (0.551 Pct). 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 200216 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.461 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosome 1 (2xs); 6, '8, 19 [confirm Mayse]

Note Interesting that Relationship to Me establishes me with the PM of John's profile as 10th cousins twice removed from my mother's line (this is my father's line), [45] Relationship to Me</ref>

2) Leonard White with Amanda (Moyer) Torrey have been Gedmatched:

Comparing Kit CH6332844 (Leonard White) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.3 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 12.1cM (0.338 Pct). 3 shared segments found for this comparison. 180172 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.414 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 1, 2 and 6. Segment on Chromosome 2 is valid to add to data supporting Mary's inclusion as a Glendinning as well as Mr. White is a member of this family. This information has been added to John Gillespie.

• Descendants of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie through (#7) Thomas Gillespie

1) Larry Walker and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed ^[29] Larry and Amanda descend from more than one way. Larry Walker and Amanda Torrey share 230 Ancestors.

Comparing Kit TY9434486 (Larry Walker) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 6.4 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 6.4cM (0.179 Pct). 1 shared segments found for this comparison. 173353 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.46 Pct SNPs are full identical. All 6.4 cMs on Chromosome 15

2) Emily Gillespie and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th Cousins once removed ^[30] Emily descends from Mary in 2 different ways. They have 254 common ancestors.

3) Suzan (Schwantz) Valdez and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins ^[31] Suzan and Amanda share 127 Common Ancestors.

• Descendants to Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie through (#8) Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham

1) ** Charles Given and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins ^[32] Charles and Amanda share 111 Common Ancestors.

Comparing Kit XG3289324 (Charles Givens Jr.) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 5.5 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 18cM (0.503 Pct). 4 shared segments found for this comparison. 177325 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.579 Pct SNPs are full identical Chromosomes: 8, 14, 17, 20 [Mayse]

2) Thomas Wightman and Amanda are 6th cousins ^[33] Thomas and Amanda share 260 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit A656082 (*TomWight1) [Migration - F2 - A] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 3.1 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 3.1cM (0.087 Pct). 1 shared segments found for this comparison. 201042 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.393 Pct SNPs are full identical Chromosome 2

3) Anna Robbins and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins ^[34] They have 255 common Ancestors.

4) Carol Mecey and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed ^[35] They have 87 Common Ancestors.

5) * Janice (Hartridge) Givens and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are fifth cousins once removed ^[36] Janice and Amanda have 111 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit EQ7599379 (Janice Hatridge Givens) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.8 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 12.4cM (0.345 Pct); 3 shared segments found for this comparison; 173441 SNPs used for this comparison; 51.53 Pct SNPs are full identical; Chromosome 1, 13, 19.

Note: Janice Hartridge is the leader of the DNA Connections on this line up the generations of both the Gillespies and Glendinnings so her autosomal data is important and relevant to information tying together the two families. She would NOT appear for example for Mary and Mayse or Mary and Archibald if in fact there was no connection. I will be exploring this further when I've completed the list of relevant Descendants.

6) Rick Peterson and Moyer-780 are 6th cousins once removed ^[37] Rick and Amanda have 175 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit T546205 (*Rick Peterson) [Migration - F2 - F] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage]. Largest segment = 5.5 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 21.7cM (0.606 Pct). 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 203211 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.373 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 6, 7, 9, 17, 21

7) Andrew Barocco and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed ^[38] Andrew aand Amanda have 21 common ancestors.

FIFTH GENERATION

• Descendants of Nancy (Gillespie) Owens: 9th child of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie

1) P Darlene (Dunlap) Haight and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are fifth cousins once removed ^[39] Darlene and Amanda have 95 common ancestors.

^NOTE Strong ties here to the Stewarts

2) P Bobbie Long and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are fifth cousins once removed ^[40] Bobbie and Amanda share 195 common ancestors.

NOTE: Like Darlene Dunlap, Bobbie is connected with Robert Steward King of Scots (1316-1390) [[46]

Comparing Kit M744209 (Bobbie Long Lamberson-Poston) [Migration - V4 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] No shared DNA segments found; 123676 SNPs used for this comparison. Comparison took 0.209. Note Odd, truly odd.

FIFTH GENERATION Comparing Kit M205035 (Laura Ferre) [Migration - V2 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage Largest segment = 6.2 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 6.2cM (0.172 Pct). 1 shared segments found for this comparison. 124942 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.024 Pct SNPs are full identical Note Laura did not join Wikitree but someone uploaded her DNA test. I believe I saw her on John Gillespie's profile which would make her 4th cousin? I'm not entirely sure, but she comes through one of William and Mary's children and all 6.2 cMs sit on the 1st chromosome. I can not add her to the list validating Mary as a Glendinning.

1) P Martha (Demi) Houston and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 4th cousins once removed through Anna (Owens) Lansberry, Nancy (Owens) Gillespie's daughter ^[41] Martha and Amanda have 2 common ancestors: Anna and her father Benjamin (Lownsberry) Lansberry.

Comparing Kit M537437 (Martha Demi Houston) [Migration - V4 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 12.2 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 29.6cM (0.826 Pct). 4 shared segments found for this comparison. 164351 SNPs used for this comparison. 53.059 Pct SNPs are full identical Chromosomes 2, 6, 13, 15.

Note Martha's results are important as our MCRA comes through Mary's granddaughter in Pennsylvania and we share 5

+cM on the 2 chromosome we're sharing with Ian Glendenning.

SIXTH GENERATION

1) P Greg Welker and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 3d cousins both MCRA Nancy (Lansberry) Hubler, descendant of [Glendinning-394|Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie]] through (#9) Nancy (Gillespie) Owens ^[42] Greg and Amanda share 2 Common Ancestors: Nancy Lansbury Hubler daughter to Levi Hubler.

Comparing Kit NR9763633 (Greg Welker) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 24.1 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 29.7cM (0.829 Pct). 2 shared segments found for this comparison. 180216 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.242 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 4 (24 cM), 16

2) P Steven Wilson and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey 3d cousin once removed and MCRA Nancy (Lansberry) Hubler descendant of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie through Nancy (Gillespie) Owens. ^[43] Steven and Amanda have 127 common ancestors.

Comparing Kit T529222 (Steven Wilson) [Migration - F2 - F] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 20.6 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 76.2cM (2.124 Pct). 7 shared segments found for this comparison. 201307 SNPs used for this comparison.

51.887 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 4, 5, 9, 13, 14, 16, 19

SEVENTH GENERATION

EIGHTH GENERATION

Ivy (Kraemer) Moyer is Amanda (Moyer) Torrey's Grandmother

NINTH GENERATION

Emory Moyer is Amanda (Moyer) Torrey's father.

TENTH GENERATION

Amanda (Moyer) Torrey is Nancy Hancock's mother.

Comparing Kit HM2760116 (Nancy Hancock) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage]. Largest segment = 146.4 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 3552.7cM (99.078 Pct).

58 shared segments found for this comparison. 173472 SNPs used for this comparison. 64.045 Pct SNPs are full identical Chromosomes 1-21. As expected, Nancy matches on every chromosome.

Focus on what segment we match on chromosomes 2 (Glendennning) and 8 (Mayes)

Source

1. ↑ "William Gillespie, 1737 – from 1826 to 1831, KFKJ-VS9," FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KFKJ-VS9 : accesssed 31 March 2022), parents James Gillespie and Jannet Stuart.
2. ↑ In Defense of Small Segments [1]
3. ↑ GEN 1 w/Y-DNA: Archibald Glendinning Westerkirk [2] Wikitree
4. ↑ Archibald only child with that name born in Westerkirk at that time [3] Scotland's People
5. ↑ Archibald Glendinning m. Jane Beatty in Westerkirk [4]ScotlandsPeople
6. ↑ 4 children from Westerkirk [5] Scotland's People
7. ↑ Children christened between 1700-1750 [6] Scotland's People
8. ↑  ! GEN 3: Mayes 2nd Marriage- Scott Mitchell and Amanda Torrey are 7th Cousins [7]Relationship to Me
9. ↑ ! GEN 3: Mayes 1st Marriage: Cheryl (Bailey) McMasters and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey) [8] Relationship to Me
10. ↑  ! GEN 3 Mayes 1st marriage - Terry Green and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [9] Relationship to Me
11. ↑  ! GEN 3 Yvonne and Amanda are 7th cousins once removed [10] Relationship to Me
12. ↑  ! GEN 4: Samuel and Amanda are 6th Cousins thru Mary (Gillespie) Bowen) [11] Relationship to Me
13. ↑  ! GEN 4 Marie Ward and Amanda Torrey are 6th Cousins through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [12] Relationship to Me
14. ↑ ! GEN 4 Cindy DeVall and Amanda Torrey through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [13] Relationship to Me
15. ↑  ! GEN 4 Donna and Amanda are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [14] Relationship to Me
16. ↑  ! GEN 4 Daniel Berry and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [15] Relationship to Me
17. ↑  ! GEN 4 Timothy Upton and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [16] Relationship to Me
18. ↑  ! GEN 4 Lesley Shockey and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [17] Relationship to Me
19. ↑  ! GEN 4 Diane (Howard) Farquharson and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [18] Relationship to me
20. ↑ ! GEN 4 Susan Cox and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [19] Relationship to Me
21. ↑ ! GEN 4 Jessica Welton and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [20] Relationship to Me
22. ↑  ! GEN 4 John Krone and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [21] - our MCRA is this Mary.] Relationship to Me
23. ↑ Larry Shelley and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [22] Relationship to Me]
24. ↑ Justin and Amanda are 6th cousins once removed [23] Relationship to Me
25. ↑ Jeanne and Amanda are 6th cousins [24] Relationship to Me
26. ↑  ! GEN 4 Margaret and Amanda are 6th cousins through James Smiley Gillespie [25] Relationship to Me
27. ↑ Nancy (Gillespie) Owens' Family Tree [26]
28. ↑ Mark Armstrong and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [27] Relationship to Me
29. ↑  ! GEN 4 Larry Walker and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Thomas Gillespie [28] Relationship to Me]
30. ↑ ! GEN 4 Emily Gillespie and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Thomas Gillespie [29] Relationship to Me
31. ↑  ! GEN 4 Suzan Schwantz and Amanda Torrey are 6th Cousins through Thomas Gillespie [30] Relationship to Me
32. ↑  ! GEN 4 Charles Givens and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [31] Relationship to Me
33. ↑  ! GEN 4 Thomas Wightman and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [32] Relationship to Me.
34. ↑ ! GEN 4 Anna Robbins and Amanda Torrey through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [33] Relationship to Me
35. ↑ ! GEN 4 Carol Mecey and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [34] Relationship to Me
36. ↑  ! GEN 4-5 Janice (Hartridge) Givens and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 5th cousins once removed through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [35]
37. ↑  ! GEN 4 Rick Peterson and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Bowen [36] Relationship to Me
38. ↑  ! GEN Andrew Barocco and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [37] Relationship to Me
39. ↑  ! GEN 5 Darlene (Dunlap) Haight and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 5th cousins once removed through Nancy (Gillespie) Owen in Pennsylvania [38] Relationship to Me
40. ↑  ! GEN 5 Bobbie Long and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 5th cousins once removed through Nancy (Gillespie) Owens of Pennsylvania [39] Relationship to Me
41. ↑ Martha (Demi) Houston and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 4th cousins once removed [40] Relationship to Me
42. ↑ Greg and Amanda are Third Cousins [41] Relationship and Me
43. ↑ Steven and Amanda are 3d cousins once removed [42] Relationship to Me

• 10 examples of Cousins sharing the Glendenning/Gillespie Lineage [47]

• Will of Archibald Glendenning:

Esther Clendenning formerly Mayse aka Burnside, Clendinning, Glendenning Born about 1721 in Tyrone, Ulster, Irelandmap [uncertain]

Ancestors: Daughter of James Mayse and Rachel (UNKNOWN) Unknown [sibling(s) unknown] wife of Robert Burnside — married about 1737 (to about 1742) [location unknown] wife of Archibald (Glendenin) Glendinning — married 1747 (to 1749) in Virginiamap Descendants descendants Mother of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie, John Burnside, James (Byrnside) Burnside, Rachel (Burnside) Wade, John Clendenin Sr. and Margaret (Clendenin) Logue Died 2 Aug 1756 in Greenbrier, Virginiamap

No original source records have been located to confirm birth or marriage records. It appears that some erroneous information may have been published, and perhaps republished/reported, obscuring the “actual facts”. These dates need further research/clarification before taken as "fact". See Also consolidations of individual extensive histories at We Relate (documented and sourced) and "Date Guess Theory" under Robert's profile.

Esther Mayse, daughter of James and Rachel Unknown, was born about 1721[1] vs 1711; [2] Marriage

Esther married 1st Robert Burnside about 1737. They had three children. It is unknown whether John or James was the oldest. Rachel was the youngest.

James (married Isabelle (Patterson) / Susanna Meadows)); died 1812. John (Married Mary (Walker) ; died 1809 Rachel [married Dawson Wade

Esther married 2nd Archibald Clendenning (aka Clendenin Clendenning, Glendenning) about 1746-1747. Esther had 2 Clendenning children (before his death in 1749), Margaret and John.

Robert's probable death 1743-1746; Archibald died about 1749[3] Esther died in 1756

Timeline 1730-1740 Early families of Monroe listed as Immigrants from Tyrone shown in Annals of Bath: "the Burnsides, Knoxes, and Walkups.[5]

1742 - 1748[6]

Supposedly Robert, was killed by Indians in 1742. However, Robert does not appear on the "Delinquent Rolls" until 1748.

1748 V2 p.413 "Delinquent Rolls" Robert Burnside - Not Found.

Esther marries Archibald Clendenning (aka Clendenin). She has 2 additional Clendenning children before Clendenning dies in 1749. (James & Rachel Burnside are living with their Mother; John is with his Uncle (John at Stone Meeting House, Ft. Defiance).

1749 - Page 148.--Proved, 17th May, 1749, Archibald Clendenning's (of Cowpasture) Will (13th December, 1748 )

....wife, Esther; son, John; son, Archibald, Jr ....to James Burnsides, the plantation in the new found land. ....to James Burnsides' sister, Rachel Burnsides, under 18. ....to wife's children, Margaret and John; "youngest daughter named Margaret". Executors, Thos. and Wm. Galespy. Teste: Wm. Dogherty, Andrew Muldrow, Michael Reamey. by all witnesses, and executors to be summoned.

Must be at least 18 to be named Executor - William of Cowpasture was 21, assumed to be married to Mary.

Who is Thomas Gillespie? I don't see a Thomas Gillespie born in the 1720s in these two families?

Esther Mayse administrator of Clendenning estate, 24 August 1749; Augusta County Court W B 1 p 119,