Location: Virginia, Tennessee, South Carolina
Surname/tag: Glendinning, Gillespie
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METHOD
Refer to: https://segmentology.org/2020/01/31/in-defense-of-small-segments/
- To Consider: DNA pile up regions. These are small DNA segments that seem to resist recombination. You can find a lot of information about them online, but much of it might be too technical for a casual discussion. One explanation I found and liked is by Edison Williams on Wikitree just a month ago: [43]
Another great article is Jim Barlett's Pile Ups: [44]
As we read Jim Bartlett's article "Defense of Small Segments" we need to consider it in the context of a larger discussion. He's not simply saying go ahead and use small segments.
Ian has said my longest shared segment is 4.4 cM being spread over 5 segments. Here we need to consider two points:
(1) the smaller the segment the more likely it is to be a false positive. The usual threshold, depending on the expert is around 5 cM or 7 cM. GedMatch, for example, sets the default for matching at 7 cM. Jim Bartlett is suggesting it's okay to go lower but he warns us to proceed with great caution.
(2) Pile ups are a different but related issue. For reasons that are not yet well-understood, some DNA segments remain intact over many generations. This is especially true of smaller segments, for obvious reasons. Some of these segments have spread through large regional populations. meaning they are probably very old.
Old Segments are breadcrumbs to older ancestors -- THINK SOURCE + SCIENCE + HISTORICAL RELEVANCE
If you look at small segments using a tool like DNA Painter, you quickly see that matches at the 3 to 5 cM level are a dime a dozen. Most of the time they'll be false matches, while in a few cases it will be easy to see how they are acting as population markers, then once in a while you'll find one that might be worth investigating. [KEY - OUR SPECIFIC POPULATION HAS SPECIFIC MARKERS ON THE 3cM level]
Jim Bartlett says he uses a formula: "have at least G independent Matches (at least cousins to each other) who all agree on the same Common Ancestor", where G is the number of generations back. His explanation makes it clear he talking about this number of people, not this number of small segments between two people.
THUS: I am 8 generations from Mary. If I share a common ancestor with Ian, the closest it could be would be Mary's grandfather (since her possible father was the immigrant on our side). That means at least 10 generations. Applying Jim's formula, we would need 10 matches (including me), all of whom are known or suspected descendants of Mary's Clendennin "grandfather", and all of whom match on the same one or two segments.
As Jim says, it's easy to find the matches, harder to prove their common ancestor. And even when we do, all we have in most cases is supporting evidence for our paper genealogy.
OUR CHALLENGE WITH THE GILLESPIES/GLENDINNING BEING, Generally speaking, colonial women were not named. There were Parishes in Scotland that did not give their names when recording the births for a family. You could find those names in marriages and then as children were christened in an area, they'd be part of a family consistent through generations. When we see the lesser cMs in common with others, that means the ancestor left the family and had descendants. If I have 3 cMs over 4-5 segments in common with Ian who has also taken a Y-DNA test, then we create a bridge identifying our family.
This family was fortunate enough to have interested cousins active on Wikitree that become a population OF multiple generations.
FINALLY Gedmatch has developed an app for us to organize common segments in common DNA tests uploaded to their site. I will continue to collect people that are curious, connect them with the appropriate family that will in turn create appropriate family branches. This will be important as I create the document that separates and categorizes the different Gillespies, Mary's family, so it becomes more difficult to erroneously merge the wrong families into this one while inviting the right ones AT THE SAME TIME guiding the erroneous people into their right places.
There is no panacea: Engage: ' SOURCE + SCIENCE +
NOTE: The ! means I have connected the DNA Connection with the Study.
HISTORICAL RELEVANCE '
The Study
- * I found Ian by chance while researching the Glendinnings through Nancy Gillespie from York Pennsylvania. I did not think I'd have any connection with the Glendinnings. Nancy was born in York, over 330 miles north of Cowpasture so it seemed unlikely William Gillespie would take Mary north with him while she was almost to term, especially when he had children on their plantation at home and then not bring her back with her brothers and sisters.
However: Who was Mary Glendenning, Nancy's mother?
- 1) Archibald Glendinning, Mary's Grandfather
- [[[Moyer-780|Amanda (Moyer) Torrey]] and Ian Glendinning have a match. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 20.3cM (0.567 Pct); 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 202798 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.164 Pct SNPs are full identical with Chromosomes 2, 8, 10, 12, 13. A match of 3-4 cMs is consistent when shared 18th Century MRCA.
- Through DNA matching, there are strong indications that William from Quaterland is an ancestor.
- Amanda (Moyer) Torrey and Scott Mitchell, a PM of Archibald Glendinning have a match: Largest segment = 4.4 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 11.7cM (0.327 Pct); 3 shared segments found for this comparison; 208080 SNPs used for this comparison; 51.494 Pct SNPs are full identical; Chromosomes 2, 7 and 12.
- Finding a match with William Glendenin and Roseanne Kirkpatrick. Where there were strong connections with Archibald Glendinning, strong matches for 18th century MRCA, there was no matches with cousins of William. [[Hoopes-
89|Linda Hoopes]]: 'No shared DNA segments found; 154742 SNPs used for this comparison.
RESEARCH IN PROGRESS Moyer-780 18:55, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
DNA and Cousin Connections
- FOLLOWING BREADCRUMBS
Referring to In Defense of Small Segments [1]
The Goal
I am attempting to prove 3 things:
- 1) That I, Amanda (Moyer) Torrey is Descendant of Nancy Gillespie Owens who was born in York and died in Clearfield County Pennsylvania, even when her previous siblings were born in a plantation in Cowpasture Augusta Colony Virginia.
- 2) That Nancy's parents were William Gillespie from Falkirk, Scotland and Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie from Dumfries, Scotland
- 3) Each of her parents being Archibald Glendinning and Esther Mayes Glendinning had previous marriages.
Study's Challenge
- We recognize two children from Archibald's Will who were products of his second marriage Esther Mayes . This study will establish a 3d child, Mary, not mentioned and not recognized because she married William Gillespie before Archibald died. Mary's husband, William Gillespie is an Executor on her parents Wills. More importantly is evidence of trace DNA that connects Mary with the Glendinnings. Since the cMs are limited to 3-4 cMs per segment we needed an accumulation of test takers that could make their 18th Century Ancestors into an actual source. We will always be looking for primary sources to fill in the gaps, but in the meantime we have available a population of DNA Connections to begin a compelling study to show the large probability of a clear genetic lineage.
Identifying Descending Generations
There needed to be a "1st Generation" anchor identifying the family through Y-DNA test results. I found Ian Glendinning on Wikitree's Surname Index. He hasn't made a lot of contributions to Wikitree, but he did upload his Y-DNA and autosomal test results to establish a starting point.
Through comparing my Autosomal results with Ian, we share a common ancestor through trace 3-4 cMs over 5 segments. The closest MCRA possible would be Mary's grandfather (since her possible father was the immigrant on our side). That means by applying [Jim's- get full name] formula, we would need 10 matches with me, all of whom are known or suspected descendants of Mary's Clendennin "grandfather", and all of whom match on the same one or two segments. (Thank Justin Swanstrom)
In the following study, I used Primary Sources through Scotland's Parish Records, Gedmatch results and Wikitrees "Relationship to Me" to fill out valuable results with family.
GENERATIONS
FIRST GENERATION Ian Glendinning is a Glendinnings expert that lives in Aberdeen has a result for both autosomal and Y-DNA results AND what would seem to be a very well researched family tree. I suppose it helps living in Aberdeen. The profile Ian appears in is Archibald Glendinning, Fred Nix PM. [2] Fred's profile is a resource for this family.
Result:
Amanda (Moyer) Torrey and Ian Glendinning Comparing Kit T961533 (Ian Glendinning) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] have a match. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 20.3cM (0.567 Pct); 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 202798 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.164 Pct SNPs are full identical with Chromosomes 2, 8, 10, 12, 13. A match of 3-4 cMs is consistent when shared 18th Century MRCA.
- Since Ian has the Y-DNA for Glendinnings then if This branch descends from one of his branches his data will automatically appear on our profiles and tie us together.
- As I match Ian Glendinnings Autosomal DNA that would mean once we connect our Archibald with Ian Glendinning's extended family, he will appear on the male profiles on our line and we'll be closer to applying the plaid to the colonists as well as resolve William Gillespie's wife as Mary Glendinning.
- I found Ian in our Surname Index by chance while researching the Glendinnings through Nancy Gillespie from York Pennsylvania. I did not think I'd have any connection with the Glendinnings. Nancy was born in York, over 330 miles north of Cowpasture so it seemed unlikely William Gillespie would take Mary north with him while she was almost to term, especially when he had children on their plantation at home and then not bring her back with her brothers and sisters. But we'll talk about that later.
- An Archibald Glendinning was born [3]
- Archibald Glendinning from Westerkirk married Jane Beatty 18 Jun 1724 [4]
- He died in Westerkirk. Archibald and his wife did not seem to have children named Archibald Glendinning. [5]
- Archibald from Westerkirk's Father is James. James married before 1700 Parrish kept records for marriages and births
- 1) Archibald - b. 27 Feb 1704 m. Jane Beatty in Westerkirk (See Above)
- 2) Jennet -b. 15 Mar 1702
- 3) James - b. 21 Apr 1704
- For Children of James (Mary's paternal grandfather), Siblings of Archibald
- The Parrish christened 25 Children born between 1700-1750 in Westerkirk Dumfries named Glendinning. There were 4 who were Archibalds siblings [6]
- Archibald Jane had the following children:
- 1) Jennet b. 16 Nov. 1729 Westerkirk
- 2) James b. 14 Nov 1731 (maybe died when little) Westerkirk
- 3) John b.8 Dec 1734 Westerkirk
- 4) James b. 17 Dec 1738 Westerkirk
- Following Breadcrumbs Archibald Glendinning if Mary's father might be Archibald from Westerkirk's Uncle (James Brother)
SECOND GENERATION Colonial ARCHIBALD's PARENTS
Jo and Amanda are 8th cousins once removed Jo Craddock and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are both descendants of Roseanne (Kirkpatrick) Glendenin (abt.1692-abt.1762). Comparing Kit A457760 (Jo Craddock) [Migration - F2 - A] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 3.5 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 3.5cM (0.098 Pct); 1 shared segments found for this comparison; 196894 SNPs used for this comparison; 51.245 Pct SNPs are full identical; Chromosome 2.
N (Robertson) Wotring and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are both descendants of Elizabeth (Winnington) Wynnington (abt.1428-aft.1478). NOTE As she shares 6 cMs on 2 chromosome, there is probably a closer connection not yet made on Wikitree. N. (Robertson) Wotring Largest segment = 6 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 9.7cM (0.272 Pct); 2 shared segments found for this comparison; 195154 SNPs used for this comparison; 51.413 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosome 2 (6 cM); 13 (3.8)
THIRD GENERATION Archibald Glendinning and Esther Mayse
- 1) * :Scott Mitchell and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 7th cousins and both descended through Archibald Glendinning and his 2nd wife Esther (Mayse) Clendenning [7] Scott and Amanda have 234 common ancestors .
- Scott Mitchell and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey Comparing Kit M152915 (*ScottM) [Migration - V3 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.4 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 11.7cM (0.327 Pct); 3 shared segments found for this comparison; 208080 SNPs used for this comparison; 51.494 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chrs 2, 7, 12. Scott matches on 2 & 12.
Note Scott's ancestor is John; Amanda's ancestor is Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie
- 2) Cheryl (Bailey) McMasters and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed. Cheryl and Amanda Descend from Esther (Mayse) Glendinning and Robert Burnside. Cheryl's ancestor is Rachel (Burnside) Wade. [8] There are 2 ways Charyl descends from Esther (Mayes) Burnside. Amanda and Cheryl have 3 Common Ancestors.
- Comparing Kit A648408 (*Cheryl Bailey) [Migration - F2 - A] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.3 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 17.9cM (0.499 Pct). 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 198747 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.57 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 3, 5, 7 (2xs), 8
Note: As Cheryl descends from Esther (Mayes) Burnside, Esther's first husband, Cheryl is not a Glendinning, but our trace DNA would isolate Mayes DNA on chromosome 8.
- 3) Terry Green and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [9] Terry and Amanda share 246 common ancestors. Terry descends from Esther (Mayes) Burnside, Esther's first husband.
[Expected connection between Cheryl Bailey and Terry Green through Burnside]
- 4) Yvonne (McCowen) Gammel and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 7th cousins once removed. [10] Yvonne and Amanda have 250 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit M436149 (Yvonne McCowan Gammell) [Migration - V4 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 6.3 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 6.3cM (0.175 Pct). 1 shared segments found for this comparison. 125439 SNPs used for this comparison. 48.517 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 6.3 cM on the 15th chromosome.
FOURTH GENERATION: : Mary and her husband William Gillespie had 11 children
- NOTE: Amanda's connection through Mary and William's daughter (#9) NANCY (GILLESPIE) OWENS FROM YORK PENNSYLVANIA. There has been serious contention that Nancy was William and Mary's daughter which means with an absence of available sources, her biological connection becomes important in a way that makes historical sense. There is a Pennsylvania contingent that is present and makes a DNA Connection with Nancy's siblings. Their context is the drama of the French Indian War.
- Descendants of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie) though (#1) Mary (Gillespie) Bowen:
- 1) Samuel Propst and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins [11] They share 54 Common Ancestors
- 2) Marie (Ward) Mills and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th Cousins and [12] They share 184 Common Ancestors.
- 3) Cindy DeVall and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th Cousins [13] They have 109 common ancestors.
- 4) Donna (Bennett) Prisley and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [14]. Donna and Amanda have 270 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit T005126 (Donna Prisley) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.6 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 17.5cM (0.489 Pct). 4 shared segments found for this comparison. 201899 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.306 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 1, 2, 5, 13
- 5) [[Berry-17166|Daniel Berry} and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th Cousins once removed [15] They have 241 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit YD1345830 (*Dano) [Select a Company or Source] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.5 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 8.5cM (0.236 Pct). 2 shared segments found for this comparison.180107 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.059 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 13, 14
- 6) Timothy Upton and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th Cousins once removed [16] Timothy and Amanda have 184 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit CW9891526 (Timothy Upton) [FTDNA] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 3.7 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 43cM (1.2 Pct). 13 shared segments found for this comparison. 468474 SNPs used for this comparison. 68.086 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 1, 2, 5, 6, 11 (3xs), 12, 13, 16, 20 (3xs)
- 7) Lesley Lee Shockey and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed. [17] Lesley and Amanda have 7 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit T461689 (Lesley Shockey) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage]. Largest segment = 6.5 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 9.7cM (0.27 Pct). 2 shared segments found for this comparison. 203141 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.753 Pct SNPs are full identical Chromosomes 1, 15.
- 8) Diane (Howard) Farquharson and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [18]. Amanda and Diane have 316 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit JN6833213 (*Dianne Howard) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] No shared DNA segments found. 180217 SNPs used for this comparison. Comparison took 0.203.
- 9) Susan Cox and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [19] Susan and Amanda have 133 common ancestors.
- 10) Jessica Welton and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed. [20] Jessica and Amanda share 151 common ancestors.
- 11) . John Krone Jr. are 6th cousins once removed [21] John and Amanda have 221 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit EY3642225 (John Krone Jr) [MyHeritage] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage]: Largest segment = 5.6 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 21cM (0.587 Pct); 5 shared segments found for this comparison.; 173472 SNPs used for this comparison.; 51.55 Pct SNPs are full identical. Also important is the chart above is "Validity of Segments" and though I set the minimum segment size at its minimum 3, there is always a reading, 3-4 cMs over a number of segments. which are Chromosome 5, 7 (2xs) , 15, 21
- 12) Larry Shelley and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are are 6th cousins once removed [22] They share 271 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit M580051 (Larry Shelley) [Migration - V3 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 3.3 cM.Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 6.4cM (0.177 Pct). 2 shared segments found for this comparison. 210609 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.803 Pct SNPs are full identical.
- Descendants of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie through (#2) Simon Gillespie
- 1) Justin Howery and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [23]. They share 261 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit M161907 (Justin Swanstrom) [Migration - V2 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] No shared DNA segments found; 124941 SNPs used for this comparison.
- 2) * Jeanne Swanstrom and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins. [24]They share 263 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit T575094 (Jeanne Swanstrom) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 3.8 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 14.2cM (0.396 Pct); 4 shared segments found for this comparison; 200386 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.286 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 1, 2, 11 (2xs).
- Descendants of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie through (#5) James Smiley Gillespie.
- 1) Margaret Gillespie and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins [25] Margaret and Amanda have only 2 connections with Amanda being James Smiley Gillespie and William Gillespie.
Note 1: James middle name "Smiley" is the same as a "Quaker" (unproven Moyer-780 22:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)) family. Benjamin Lownesberry, the son of John Carpenter Lownesberry from Bordentown, New Jersey (a Quaker bastion) and Drucilla Smiley from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (Also a Quaker stronghold) ultimately married Anna (Owens) Lownesberry the daughter of Nancy from York, Pennsylvania and John Owens' from York with Welsh parents. [26]. Though not definitive, it is another clue to explore. James Smiley Gillespie was born 9 years before Nancy which would mean the Gillespies might have been a part of this Quaker community for a decade before William took a pregnant Mary to York to deliver their baby.
- Note 2: James Smiley Gillespie married Isabella Gillespie which is not as strange as it sounds. Isabella comes from a branch of Gillespies that come from Kirkcaldy not Falkirk like James. There is an opportunity through their marriage to bring 3 branches from Scotland together: Gillespies Agriculturalists from Falkirk through James Gillespie, Gillespie Scholars from Kirkcaldy.
- Descendants of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie and Moyer-780 and Moyer-780 through (#6) [Gillespie-560|John Gillespie]]
- Mark Armstrong and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [27] Mark and Amanda have 249 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit A222365 (Mark Armstrong) [Migration - F2 - A] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage]: Largest segment = 5.2 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 19.7cM (0.551 Pct). 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 200216 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.461 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosome 1 (2xs); 6, '8, 19 [confirm Mayse]
- Note Interesting that Relationship to Me establishes me with the PM of John's profile as 10th cousins twice removed from my mother's line (this is my father's line), [45] Relationship to Me</ref>
- 2) Leonard White with Amanda (Moyer) Torrey have been Gedmatched:
Comparing Kit CH6332844 (Leonard White) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.3 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 12.1cM (0.338 Pct). 3 shared segments found for this comparison. 180172 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.414 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 1, 2 and 6. Segment on Chromosome 2 is valid to add to data supporting Mary's inclusion as a Glendinning as well as Mr. White is a member of this family. This information has been added to John Gillespie.
- Descendants of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie through (#7) Thomas Gillespie
- 1) Larry Walker and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [28] Larry and Amanda descend from more than one way. Larry Walker and Amanda Torrey share 230 Ancestors.
- Comparing Kit TY9434486 (Larry Walker) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 6.4 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 6.4cM (0.179 Pct). 1 shared segments found for this comparison. 173353 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.46 Pct SNPs are full identical. All 6.4 cMs on Chromosome 15
- 2) Emily Gillespie and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th Cousins once removed [29] Emily descends from Mary in 2 different ways. They have 254 common ancestors.
- 3) Suzan (Schwantz) Valdez and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins [30] Suzan and Amanda share 127 Common Ancestors.
- Descendants to Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie through (#8) Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham
- 1) ** Charles Given and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins [31] Charles and Amanda share 111 Common Ancestors.
- Comparing Kit XG3289324 (Charles Givens Jr.) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 5.5 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 18cM (0.503 Pct). 4 shared segments found for this comparison. 177325 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.579 Pct SNPs are full identical Chromosomes: 8, 14, 17, 20 [Mayse]
- 2) Thomas Wightman and Amanda are 6th cousins [32] Thomas and Amanda share 260 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit A656082 (*TomWight1) [Migration - F2 - A] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 3.1 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 3.1cM (0.087 Pct). 1 shared segments found for this comparison. 201042 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.393 Pct SNPs are full identical Chromosome 2
- 3) Anna Robbins and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins [33] They have 255 common Ancestors.
- 4) Carol Mecey and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [34] They have 87 Common Ancestors.
- 5) * Janice (Hartridge) Givens and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are fifth cousins once removed [35] Janice and Amanda have 111 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit EQ7599379 (Janice Hatridge Givens) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 4.8 cM; Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 12.4cM (0.345 Pct); 3 shared segments found for this comparison; 173441 SNPs used for this comparison; 51.53 Pct SNPs are full identical; Chromosome 1, 13, 19.
- Note: Janice Hartridge is the leader of the DNA Connections on this line up the generations of both the Gillespies and Glendinnings so her autosomal data is important and relevant to information tying together the two families. She would NOT appear for example for Mary and Mayse or Mary and Archibald if in fact there was no connection. I will be exploring this further when I've completed the list of relevant Descendants.
- 6) Rick Peterson and Moyer-780 are 6th cousins once removed [36] Rick and Amanda have 175 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit T546205 (*Rick Peterson) [Migration - F2 - F] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage]. Largest segment = 5.5 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 21.7cM (0.606 Pct). 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 203211 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.373 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 6, 7, 9, 17, 21
- 7) Andrew Barocco and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [37] Andrew aand Amanda have 21 common ancestors.
FIFTH GENERATION
- Descendants of Nancy (Gillespie) Owens: 9th child of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie
- 1) P Darlene (Dunlap) Haight and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are fifth cousins once removed [38] Darlene and Amanda have 95 common ancestors.
^NOTE Strong ties here to the Stewarts
- 2) P Bobbie Long and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are fifth cousins once removed [39] Bobbie and Amanda share 195 common ancestors.
- NOTE: Like Darlene Dunlap, Bobbie is connected with Robert Steward King of Scots (1316-1390) [[46]
- Comparing Kit M744209 (Bobbie Long Lamberson-Poston) [Migration - V4 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] No shared DNA segments found; 123676 SNPs used for this comparison. Comparison took 0.209. Note Odd, truly odd.
FIFTH GENERATION Comparing Kit M205035 (Laura Ferre) [Migration - V2 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage Largest segment = 6.2 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 6.2cM (0.172 Pct). 1 shared segments found for this comparison. 124942 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.024 Pct SNPs are full identical Note Laura did not join Wikitree but someone uploaded her DNA test. I believe I saw her on John Gillespie's profile which would make her 4th cousin? I'm not entirely sure, but she comes through one of William and Mary's children and all 6.2 cMs sit on the 1st chromosome. I can not add her to the list validating Mary as a Glendinning.
- 1) P Martha (Demi) Houston and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 4th cousins once removed through Anna (Owens) Lansberry, Nancy (Owens) Gillespie's daughter [40] Martha and Amanda have 2 common ancestors: Anna and her father Benjamin (Lownsberry) Lansberry.
- Comparing Kit M537437 (Martha Demi Houston) [Migration - V4 - M] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 12.2 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 29.6cM (0.826 Pct). 4 shared segments found for this comparison. 164351 SNPs used for this comparison. 53.059 Pct SNPs are full identical Chromosomes 2, 6, 13, 15.
- Note Martha's results are important as our MCRA comes through Mary's granddaughter in Pennsylvania and we share 5
+cM on the 2 chromosome we're sharing with Ian Glendenning.
SIXTH GENERATION
- 1) P Greg Welker and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 3d cousins both MCRA Nancy (Lansberry) Hubler, descendant of [Glendinning-394|Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie]] through (#9) Nancy (Gillespie) Owens [41] Greg and Amanda share 2 Common Ancestors: Nancy Lansbury Hubler daughter to Levi Hubler.
- Comparing Kit NR9763633 (Greg Welker) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 24.1 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 29.7cM (0.829 Pct). 2 shared segments found for this comparison. 180216 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.242 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 4 (24 cM), 16
- 2) P Steven Wilson and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey 3d cousin once removed and MCRA Nancy (Lansberry) Hubler descendant of Mary (Glendinning) Gillespie through Nancy (Gillespie) Owens. [42] Steven and Amanda have 127 common ancestors.
- Comparing Kit T529222 (Steven Wilson) [Migration - F2 - F] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] Largest segment = 20.6 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 76.2cM (2.124 Pct). 7 shared segments found for this comparison. 201307 SNPs used for this comparison.
51.887 Pct SNPs are full identical. Chromosomes 4, 5, 9, 13, 14, 16, 19
SEVENTH GENERATION
EIGHTH GENERATION
- Ivy (Kraemer) Moyer is Amanda (Moyer) Torrey's Grandmother
NINTH GENERATION
- Emory Moyer is Amanda (Moyer) Torrey's father.
TENTH GENERATION
- Amanda (Moyer) Torrey is Nancy Hancock's mother.
- Comparing Kit HM2760116 (Nancy Hancock) [Ancestry] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage]. Largest segment = 146.4 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 3552.7cM (99.078 Pct).
58 shared segments found for this comparison. 173472 SNPs used for this comparison. 64.045 Pct SNPs are full identical Chromosomes 1-21. As expected, Nancy matches on every chromosome.
Focus on what segment we match on chromosomes 2 (Glendennning) and 8 (Mayes)
Source
- ↑ In Defense of Small Segments [1]
- ↑ GEN 1 w/Y-DNA: Archibald Glendinning Westerkirk [2] Wikitree
- ↑ Archibald only child with that name born in Westerkirk at that time [3] Scotland's People
- ↑ Archibald Glendinning m. Jane Beatty in Westerkirk [4]ScotlandsPeople
- ↑ 4 children from Westerkirk [5] Scotland's People
- ↑ Children christened between 1700-1750 [6] Scotland's People
- ↑ ! GEN 3: Mayes 2nd Marriage- Scott Mitchell and Amanda Torrey are 7th Cousins [7]Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 3: Mayes 1st Marriage: Cheryl (Bailey) McMasters and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey) [8] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 3 Mayes 1st marriage - Terry Green and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [9] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 3 Yvonne and Amanda are 7th cousins once removed [10] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4: Samuel and Amanda are 6th Cousins thru Mary (Gillespie) Bowen) [11] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Marie Ward and Amanda Torrey are 6th Cousins through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [12] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Cindy DeVall and Amanda Torrey through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [13] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Donna and Amanda are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [14] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Daniel Berry and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [15] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Timothy Upton and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [16] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Lesley Shockey and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [17] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Diane (Howard) Farquharson and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [18] Relationship to me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Susan Cox and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [19] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Jessica Welton and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [20] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 John Krone and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [21] - our MCRA is this Mary.] Relationship to Me
- ↑ Larry Shelley and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Mary (Gillespie) Bowen [22] Relationship to Me]
- ↑ Justin and Amanda are 6th cousins once removed [23] Relationship to Me
- ↑ Jeanne and Amanda are 6th cousins [24] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Margaret and Amanda are 6th cousins through James Smiley Gillespie [25] Relationship to Me
- ↑ Nancy (Gillespie) Owens' Family Tree [26]
- ↑ Mark Armstrong and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed [27] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Larry Walker and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Thomas Gillespie [28] Relationship to Me]
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Emily Gillespie and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Thomas Gillespie [29] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Suzan Schwantz and Amanda Torrey are 6th Cousins through Thomas Gillespie [30] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Charles Givens and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [31] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Thomas Wightman and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [32] Relationship to Me.
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Anna Robbins and Amanda Torrey through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [33] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Carol Mecey and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [34] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 4-5 Janice (Hartridge) Givens and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 5th cousins once removed through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [35]
- ↑ ! GEN 4 Rick Peterson and Amanda Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Bowen [36] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN Andrew Barocco and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 6th cousins once removed through Elizabeth (Gillespie) Cunningham [37] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 5 Darlene (Dunlap) Haight and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 5th cousins once removed through Nancy (Gillespie) Owen in Pennsylvania [38] Relationship to Me
- ↑ ! GEN 5 Bobbie Long and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 5th cousins once removed through Nancy (Gillespie) Owens of Pennsylvania [39] Relationship to Me
- ↑ Martha (Demi) Houston and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey are 4th cousins once removed [40] Relationship to Me
- ↑ Greg and Amanda are Third Cousins [41] Relationship and Me
- ↑ Steven and Amanda are 3d cousins once removed [42] Relationship to Me
- 10 examples of Cousins sharing the Glendenning/Gillespie Lineage [47]
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The study is important to Gillespie/Glendinning to establish authentic connection between Esther Mayes and Archibald Glendinning's oldest daughter with her family. There was an issue in that Archibald did not name her on his will because she was apparently married to William Gillespie by the time her father died. William was named instead as one of Archibald's Executors.
We can connect THIS William Gillespie with his wife as Mary Glendinning through more than 3 dozen DNA autosomal connections. Autosomal connections with early 18 Century Ancestors will be around 3 cMs which necessitate connections on similar segments. Lucky for us, Gedmatch has a new service that does this. I will use this Gedmatch option to map out segments to definitively prove or disprove a direct connection with the
I back up this document on my hard drive every night as apparently somebody might be trying to block this study, but I am setting this document on "Public" so I am the only one that can edit it.
I welcome any comments and will add updates for cousins who accessed the family and were not included on previous revisions.