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Dating Beatrice Hill

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Dating Beatrice Hill


The Problem

Beatrice Hill, who married William Bromley, is clearly identified as a real person related to other real people in a number of old secondary sources. None of these sources, however, provide dates for events in her life. Some more recent tertiary sources, on the other hand, provide dates, but the dates are in conflict with other dates.

The Solution

Find dated events in the lives of her closest relatives and base new estimates from these dated events.

Father: Humphrey Hill

Fact: Beatrice's father was Humphrey Hill. Burke states that 'Humphrey Hill, of Buntingdale [son of Griffith Hull and Margaret Warren], ... lived in the reigns of Henry V (1413-1422) and Henry VI (1422-1461) . [1]

Estimate: Assume the midpoint of Humphrey's life was between 1413 and 1461. Using the 30 year rule for estimation, the midpoint of Beatrice's life would be between 1443 and 1491, or, say, 1465. If her life span was 60, her birth year would be 1435.

Nephew: Sir Rowland Hill

Fact: Sir Rowland Hill, of London and Soulton hall, son of Beatrice' brother Thomas, was the first Protestant Lord Mayor of London. He was a merchant, statesman and philanthropist. The History of Parliament biography edited by Helen Miller[2]states that he was born by 1498, son and heir of Thomas Hill of Hodnet. . Estimate: Using the 30 year rule for estimation, Rowland was born 1498, rounded to 1500, so his father Thomas and aunt Beatrice were born 30 years earlier, in 1470.

Grandson Sir George Bromley

Fact: George Bromley was born 1525/26, the first son of George Bromley of Hodnet and his wife Jane, daughter of Sir Thomas Lacon of Willey[3]

Estimate: Following the 30 year rule, George's father George, would have been born 1495, and Beatrice born 1465.

Wlonkeslowe Line from Visitation of Shropshire

Fact: Visitation of Shropshire provides a line of descent from William Longslowe containing the death date of the first William.

  1. Will’us Wlonkeslow de Wlonkeslow in com Salop (spouse unknown), [4]
  2. Will’us Wlonkeslow de Wlonkeslow in Co Salop superstes (survivor) a 42 H 3 (1216+42=1258) Spouse unknown. Assume father's death in 1258 at age 48, so father born 1210
  3. Hugo Wlonkeslow de Wlonkeslow in com Salop married Alicia filia Roberti. Birth, 30 year rule = 1240
  4. Hugo filius hugonis de Wlonkeslow (now Longslow) in com. Salop married Agnes filia Editha. Birth, 30 year rule = 1270
  5. Elianora filia et altera haered’ nupta Hugoni Hill. Birth, 30 year rule = 1300
  6. Willmus Hill, spouse unknown. Birth, 30 year rule = 1330
  7. Griffithus Hill, spouse unknown. Birth, 30 year rule = 1360
  8. Humfridus hill de Buntingesdale, spouse not shown. Birth, 30 year rule = 1390
  9. Beatrice, birth, 30 year rule = 1420

Estimate: Using the 30 year rule, Beatrice's birth year might be 1420'. But if the 25 year rule was used instead, her birth year might be 35 years earlier, or 1385.

Bromley Line of Descent

Date estimation -- for the earlier people to be alive at the time some dated records occurred, the 25 year per generation appears to better apply.

  1. Warinus de Burwardeslegh dominus manerij de Esseleghe in com. Staffordiae temp Regis Joh'is. (1199-1216) [5] Birth year calculation based on King John's reign as time he "flourished", say when he was age 30. If he flourished in 1200, an estimated birth year would be 1175
  2. Alicia soror aetate maxima et vna hered 'Rogeri de Burwardeslegh = Walterus de Bromlegh miles do'nus de Bromlegh. [5] Birth, 30 year rule, would be 1205
  3. Galfridus de Bromlegh ob a 1 E 1 (1272) [5] Estimating his death at age 50, and that his mother married and bore him when she was 20, places his birth at 1225
  4. Richardus de Bromlegh a 25 E 1 (1297) = filia Knocton [5] Given his death in 1297, Estimate his birth using 30 year rule, 1255
  5. Randulphus fil Ricardi de Bromleigh a 23 E 1 (1295) [5] Gven his death in 1295, Estimate his birth as early as possible, when parents were 20. Estimated birth 1275
  6. ,Johannes de Bromley Ar ae 1335 = Joanna [5] Given his death in the year 1335, Estimated his birth as early as possible, when parents were 20. Estimated birth 1295
  7. Willielmus de Bromley de Radinton 2e filius = Anabella soror & hgeires Will'mi de Chetelton. (Chetelton descent: (1) Willimus de Chetilton (2) Roertus Chetilton dictis Schirrard (Chirrard) (3) Henricus de Chetilton fil & hgeires (4) Will'm's de Cheilton miles Ae xi E 3 (1338) (5) Mattheus de Chettelton Ar = Johanna filia & heiress Will'mi de Clifton renupta Johann' Griffin) [5] Birth, 30 year rule, 1325
  8. Johannes Bromley filius & heires Will'mi de Bromley = Agnes da to John Trentham [5] Birth, 30 year rule, 1355
  9. Walterus de Bromley = Joanna filia Richardi de Delves [5] Birth, 30 year rule, 1385
  10. Rogerus Bromley de Mittley Ar filius & heires Waltera = Janna filia & heires Ricardide Mitley, son of Richardus Mitley de Mitley in com. Salope = Ellena filia & heires Joh'es Hawkeston militis and grandson of Johannes Hawkeston miles = Annabella filia & heires Mathaei Chetelton relicta Galfiridi Brereton renupta Johanni Martin. [5] Birth, 30 year rule, 1415
  11. Rogerus Bromley de Mittley Ar. filius & heires Rogera = filia & heires Davidi Browe, son of Davidus de Browe de Malopasu in com Cestr. = fi;lia Rathbone. [5] Birth, 30 year rule, 1445
  12. Will'm Bromley of Mitley Esq son and heire = Beatrix da of Humfry Hill of Blore & Huntingsdale. [5] Estimated birth, 30 year rule, for both William and Beatrix, 1475


  1. Burke, John, and George Ormerod. A genealogical and heraldic history of the commoners of Great Britain and Ireland enjoying territorial possessions or high official rank: but uninvested with heritable honors. (London: Published for Henry Colburn, by R. Bentley, 1834-1838), 1:654.
  2. Helen Miller. History of Parliament: Sir Rowland Hill Accessed November 24, 2017 jhd
  3. Alan Harding, Author History of Parliament: George Harding Accessed November 27, 2017 jhd
  4. Treswell, Robert; College of Arms (Great Britain); J. Paul (John Paul) Rylands; Augustine Vincent; William Camden; and George Grazebrook. The visitation of Shropshire, taken in the year 1623. London: Harleian Society, 1889, Volume 29, pp. 445-446. Accessed November 17, 2017. jhd
  5. 5.00 5.01 5.02 5.03 5.04 5.05 5.06 5.07 5.08 5.09 5.10 5.11 Robert Tresswell, Somerset Herald, and Augustine Vincent, Rouge Croix Pursuivant of Arms, Marshals and Deputies to William Camden, Clarenceux Ring of Arms. The Visitation of Shropshire, Taken in the Year 1623 Publication of the Harleian Society Est. AD 1869. Bromley, pp. 71-66, Part II, London: 1889 Accessed November 27, 2017 jhd

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