Descendants of Ifor Bach & Gwrgan ab Ithel

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This page was created as a place to work out date anomalies for the descendants of Ifor Bach & Gwrgan ab Ithel who settled in Radur. In Wikitree (as of 13 October 2023), Ifor's granddaughter Mawd married Gwrgan's great-grandson Hywel. Their son, Cynwrig ap Hywel (abt.1200-abt.1280) was the Lord of Llantrithyd and Radyr.

• Gwrgan ab Ithel (abt.1000-abt.1070)
  • Hywel ap Madog (bef.1130-)
• Ifor Bach ap Meurig Fychan (1110-abt.1170)
  • Mawd ferch Gruffudd (1170-1211)

The following was moved from the profile of Ieuan ap Llywelyn (1279-aft.1341) on 13 October 2023.

Timeline based primarily on information from A History of Radyr and Morganstown,^[1] coupled with WikiTree profiles as of 11 October 2023, reveals some date issues.

• ...: Griffith, son of Ifor Bach, original lease for mill ("Melin Griffith"), in Whitchurch, on the border of Radyr^[1]
  • Gruffudd ab Ifor Bach (bef.1150-1211)
  • Ifor Bach ap Meurig Fychan (1110-bef.1170)
• 1277: Llewellyn ap Cynwrig is living^[2]
  • Llywelyn ap Cynwrig (abt.1230-abt.1317) <- Bartrum's charts have the Ieuan represented by Ap_Llywelyn-24 (as of 13 October 2023) as the son of Llywelyn living in 1277, but that puts him out of place in this timeline (Ieuan ap Llywelyn ap Cynwrig ap Hywel). With birth in 1230 & death c1317, it is doubtful he is the "lord of the court" named in 1316 (he would have been 87).^[3]
• 1295: mill destroyed^[1][4]
• 1300: birth of Ieuan ap Llywelyn who married Jonet ferch Thomas (ap Llywelyn-24 - 1300 birth year given in his father's profile [unsourced text as of 12 October 2023]).
• 1307: Cynwrig ap Hywel "held the lease of a large part of the... manor of Whitchurch"^[1]
  • Cynwrig ap Hywel (abt.1200-abt.1280) - cannot be the Cynwrig ap Hywel who held a lease in 1307.^[5][4][6]
  • Cynwrig ap Hywel's mother - Mawd ferch Gruffudd (1170-1211) - daughter of Gruffudd ab Ifor Bach
• 1316: "Of course it goes with out saying that there were Welsh traitors who collaborated with the Anglo–Norman oppressors and it is perhaps pertinent that we know their names too, most chiefly being Cynfrig ap Hywel and his son Llywelyn ap Cynfrig but there were others too."^[7] not them? -
  • Cynwrig ap Hywel (abt.1200-abt.1280), father of
  • Llywelyn ap Cynwrig (abt.1230-abt.1317)
  • Hywel ap Cynwrig of Radur (1258-1335)
• 1316: Llewellyn ap Cynwrig held the demesne of the manor / revolt led by Llewellyn Bren (mill destroyed)^[1][4] same as son of Cynfrig above?
  • Llywelyn ap Cynwrig (abt.1230-abt.1317) - him?
• -- need a date in the timeline for Ieuan ap Llywelyn (1279-aft.1341)... could b1326 Ieuan Gethin m Elsbeth Thomas be have been the Ieuan who was grandfather of Morgan?
  • Ieuan ap Llywelyn ap Cynwrig (1279-aft.1341)
• 1326: birth of Ieuan Gethin ap Ieuan - married Elsbeth Tomas, gr-granddaughter of Llywelyn ap Cynwrig (abt 1230 - abt 1317)
• 1381: Llywelyn living in 1381^[8]
  • Llewelyn ap Ieuan (abt.1340-1386)
• 1461: Morgan ap Llewellyn ap Ieuan held the demesne lands of Radyr^[1]
  • Morgan ap Llywelyn (1378-abt.1436), m before 1426 Efa ferch Ieuan (born c1400), daughter of Ieuan Gethin & Elsbeth
• 1469: marriage of Thomas Mathew and "Katherine, daughter and co-heiress of Cynwrig's great-great-grandson, Morgan ap Llewellyn ap Ieuan."^[1]
  • Catrin (Morgan) Mathew (1436-1468)
  • Thomas Mathew (1438-1470)

WikiTree Pedigrees

Profiles from Ifor Bach to Ieuan ap Llywelyn, as of 12 October 2023:

• Ifor Bach ap Meurig Fychan (1110-bef.1170)
• Gruffudd ab Ifor Bach (bef.1150-1211)
• Mawd ferch Gruffudd (1170-1211), married
  Hywel ap Madog (bef.1130-), parents of
• Cynwrig ap Hywel (abt.1200-abt.1280)
• Llywelyn ap Cynwrig (abt.1230-abt.1317)
• Ieuan ap Llywelyn (1279-aft.1341)

The following WikiTree pedigrees are as of 11 October 2023 and follow from Iestyn ap Gwrgan (abt.1045-1105) to Ieuan ap Llywelyn (1279-aft.1341). They are based on the "Descendants" view for the first profile, generally omitting descendants past the children or grandchildren.

Iestyn ap Gwrgan married Denis ferch Bleddyn (1060) and married Angharad ferch Elystan (abt 1030) and is the father of 6 children and the grandfather of 11 grandchildren.

1. Catrin ferch Iestyn (1065) m. Rhys ap Tewdwr (abt 1040 - abt 1093).
2. Nest ferch Iestyn (1070) m. Einion Gollwyn (abt 1060).
3. Meuric ap Jestyn (abt 1075)
4. Madoc ab Iestyn (abt 1080)
   1. Hywel ap Madog (bef 1130) m. Mawd ferch Gruffudd (1170 - 1211).
      1. Cynwrig ap Hywel (abt 1200 - abt 1280) m. Angharad ferch Lewys (1224). See next
5. Rhydd ab Iestyn (bef 1091)
6. Caradog ap Iestyn (1105) m. Gwladys ferch Gruffydd (1109 - 1150).
   1. NN ferch Caradog (abt 1110) m. Cadrod ab Einion (1103).
   2. Morgan ap Caradog (abt 1120) m. Gwenllian ferch Ifor Bach (1150).

Cynwrig ap Hywel married Angharad ferch Lewys (1224) and is the father of 2 children and the grandfather of 4 grandchildren.

1. Llywelyn ap Cynwrig (abt 1230 - abt 1317) m. Jonet ferch Ralph (abt 1240). m. Jonet ferch Cynfyn (1260).
   1. Llewelyn Fychan (Llewelyn) ap Llewelyn () m. Catrin ferch Hopkin (abt 1300).
      1. Jonet (Llewelyn) ferch Llewelyn (abt 1360) m. Tomas Ifor (abt 1390).
         1. Elsbeth (Thomas) Tomas (abt 1420) m. Ieuan Gethin Ieuan (1376).
   2. Ieuan ap Llywelyn (1279 - aft 1341) m. Jonet ferch Thomas (abt 1325 - 1346) on 1336. See Next
   3. Gawdyn ap Llewelyn (abt 1305 - abt 1346) m. Unknown ferch Rhys (abt 1324 - bef 1390).
      1. Crisli ferch Gawdyn (bef 1345 - 1368) m. Ieuan ap Gruffydd (abt 1342 - abt 1368).
      2. Ann (Gawdyn) gwraig Bleddyn ap Hywel (1346) m. Bleddyn Ap Hywel (1346).
2. Hywel ap Cynwrig of Radur (1258 - 1335) m. Joan ferch Ralph (1228).
   1. Meurig of Radur ap Hywel () m. Christi ferch Adam (abt 1220).

Ieuan ap Llywelyn (1279 - aft 1341) married Jonet ferch Thomas (abt 1325 - 1346) on 1336 and is the father of one child and the grandfather of 2 grandchildren.

1. Llewelyn ap Ieuan (abt 1340 - 1386) m. Unknown ferch Ieuan (abt 1360) on 1375.
   1. Morgan ap Llywelyn (1378 - abt 1436) m. Efa ferch Ieuan (abt 1400) bef 1426. <- info can't be right if he was living in 1461.^[1]
   2. Gwenllian ferch Llewelyn (abt 1386 - 1463) m. Hywel ap Madog (1383 - abt 1408) on 1408.

Footnotes &tc

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7} "Twixt Chain and Gorge", A History of Radyr and Morganstown (Radyr and Morganstown New Horizons History Group: 1991), 100 pages (pdf), accessed 11 October 2023. See "The Lords of Radyr", pages 17-19 (images 19-21 of 100), and the preceding chapter, "The Manor of Radyr".
2. ↑ Bartrum Charts:
   • Iestyn 14, Cynwrig ap Hywel
   • Iestyn 17, Llywelyn ap Cynwrig
   • Gwaithfoed 2, Jonet ferch Thomas
   • Rhys Goch of Ystrad Yw 11 Jonet ferch Cynfyn Fychan
   • Maelog, Ralph Maelog (Ralph's wife: Joan ferch Rhys ap Gruffudd ab Ifor Bach)
3. ↑ From the "Welsh Remembrancers" blogpost about the 1316 revolt: On 28 January 1316, "Llywelyn Bren and sons with their followers made a surprise attack upon a court being held beneath the walls of Caerffili Castle. In this attack they reputedly kicked over the tax collectors table..." and Llywelyn ap Cynwrig, lord of Llantrithyd and Radyr, was the lord of the court according to Glamorgan County History, page 482.
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2} "The revolts led by Llewellyn Bren (1316) and Owain Glyndwr (1400) were also particularly devastating; in the first, Llewellyn ap Cynwrig, who then held the demesne of the manor, remained loyal to the Lord of Glamorgan, and the local mill, Melin Griffith, which lay in the adjoining manor of Whitchurch but on the boundary with Radyr, was burnt and destroyed by war, as it had been 21 years before." ~ A History of Radyr and Morganstown, page16/image 18.
5. ↑ Bartrum has Cynwrig (living 1316) ap Hywel ap Cynwrig of Radur (1258-1335) ~ Bartrum Chart: Iestyn11, Hywel ap Cynwrig of Radur, married (1) NN f. Sir Ralph Maelog. Hywel's sons: Meurig of Radur (m Crisli f. Adam Fn[Fychan, IIRC] (Adam ab Ifor 1), Ralph, Iorwerth, Gruffudd, and Cynwrig (living in 1316, citation: Glam.Co.Hist. III.82).
   • Google Books (limited snippit view). T.B. Pugh, editor. Glamorgan County History, Volume III, The Middle Ages: The Marcher Lordships of Glamorgan and Morganwgg and Gower and Kilvey... (Cardiff: University of Wales Press for the Glamorgan County History Committee. 1971).

   From page 316: "The evidence relating to the revolt brings forth the names of others who were evidently men of some standing in the lordship. They included Gronw ab Ieuan Llwyd, who was among Llywelyn's adherents, and Cynwrig ap Llywelyn, who opposed him [end snippit view]". Also, on page 482: "... the poem also explicitly mentions the lord of the court, Llywelyn ap Cynwrig... [who] was lord of Llantrithyd and Radyr, and was one of the [end snippit view]".

6. ↑ "Howel [ap Madog ap Iestyn ap Gwrgan] had Lantrythyd and Issued Cynfrig Lord of Lantrythyd and from him are descended the old families of Ceven Mably &; the old families of Landaff &; Radyr before the Mathews and Pant y Corraid. (fn. 74) And from that to Monks Castle, (fn. 75) &; Dafydd Llywelyn Cynfrig of Rhydlafar, (fn. 76) and Gruffudd fawr of Caerwiga who was a B. (fn. 77) son to Evan Llywelyn Cynvrig." ~ British History Online: "The winning of Glamorgan" (accessed 12 October 2023).
7. ↑ "The Revolt of Llywelyn Bren 1316. Llywelyn Bren Remembered?", "Welsh Remembrancers" blogpost January 2008 (by G. ap Gruffudd?)
8. ↑ Bartrum Chart: Iestyn 19.

• The Bartrum Project, digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum (mirrored from the defunct Cadair site by Geni: Bartrum Genealogical Project - free login required to access the charts). See additional information about Cadair in G2G.
  • Iestyn 14, Llywelyn ap Cynwrig (shows Ieuan as brother of Gawdyn, father of Crisli).
  • Iestyn 10, Madog ap Iestyn, grandfather of Cynwrig