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The purpose of this space is to have a place to collect the primary evidence of the Dowrish family, much of which is unpublished.

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Primary Dowrish References

IPM of Thomas Dourysshe, 1483 C141/4/46
Died 10 February 1483
Daughter and heir Elizabeth, age 3
1483 IPM of Thomas Dourysshe, C141/4/46
(leaving out the details of the landholdings, and with the place-names left un-modernised):
Held at Crediton on 7 August 1483.
Thomas Douryssh was seised of lands and rents in Wolwedon, Hathelagh, Estlangbeare, Thornworthy and Lydebrigge in his demesne as of fee and thus seised, by his indented charter dated 26 Oct 1461, granted them to Richard Douryssh and the heirs of his body, remainder to Richard's brother ?Walter and the heirs of his body, remainder to the right heirs of him, Thomas Douryssh senior. By virtue thereof Richard was seised in his demesne as of fee tail, and is still living. Thomas Douryssh senior had issue the Thomas Douryssh named in the writ and died, after whose death the reversion in the premises descended to Thomas Douryssh as his son and heir on the day he died, holding the premises in reversion in his demesne as of fee.
Robert Savell esq. and John Boure were seised of lands and rents in Dourysshe, Piddeslegh, Henstehyll, Yolond, Credy, and Holford in their demesne as fee and so seised, by their indented charter dated 7 May 1477, granted them to the Thomas Douryssh named in the writ and Alice his wife and Thomas' heirs and ?assigns [obscured by gall], by virtue whereof Thomas and Alice were seised, Thomas in his demesne as of fee and Alice as of free tenement. Thomas died seised. Alice is still living.
Edward Courtenay esq. was seised of lands and rents in Westwogwyll in his demesne as of fee and so seised, by his indented charter dated 6 July 1477, granted them to Thomas Douryssh the son and Alice his wife and Thomas' heirs male begotten on Alice's body, by virtue whereof Thomas and Alice were seised, Thomas in his demesne as of fee tail and Alice as of free tenement. Thomas died seised. Alice is still living.
The same Thomas Douryssh [the son] held in his demesne as of fee the manor of Stoklegh Englis and lands and rents in Credy Helyon, Uppeton Helion, Bynhole, Lypston, Bowteport, Nymet Episcopi, Plymouth, Plympton Pryor, Plympton Comitis and Ayssheberton.
He held no other lands in Devon.
He died on 10 Feb. last.  ?Elizabeth Douryssh is his daughter and next heir, aged 3 years and more.
Unpublished IPM: Margaret, who was the wife of Thomas Douryssh, 1477
Died 3 February 1477
Died without issue. Heir John Reke, as son of her brother Richard, aged 30.
Margaret Reke was ancestral to the Dowrish family as previously believed.
MARGARET, WHO WAS THE WIFE OF THOMAS DOURYSSH
Writ. [dorse not seen] 3 March 1477. [Morton].
DEVON. Inquisition [indented]. Exeter. 15 April 1477. [John Thornbury].
Jurors: John Elyot; Robert Holbeme; William Sampford; John Bowre; William Boway; William Sherlond; William Estecote; Philip Goldsmyth; Richard Stapelhyll; Henry Huchyn; Robert Hillyng; and William Bisshopp.
John Boyvill was seised of the manor of West Ogwell in his demesne as of fee and so seised enfeoffed Hugh Courtenay of Haccombe, knight, to hold to him and his heirs, by virtue of which Hugh was seised in his demsne as of fee, and had issue Hugh Courtenay, knight, and died. After his death his son Hugh entered, and was seised in his demesne as of fee, and granted the manor to Thomas Dourissh and Margaret, then his wife, for the term of Margaret’s life, by virtue of which Thomas and Margaret were seised in their demesne as of free tenement. Hugh the son had issue Edward, now living, and died. After his death the reversion of the manor descended to Edward as his son and heir. Afterwards Margaret died without issue, after which Edward entered in the manor as in his reversion, and was seised in his demesne as of fee, and still lives.
The manor is held of the illustrious prince George, duke of Clarence, of his honour of Gloucester, by knight service, annual value 20 marks.
Margaret died on 3 Feb. last. John Reke is her kinsman and next heir, as son of her brother Richard, aged 30 years and more.
[Head:] Delivered into court on 29 April 1477 by the hand of Thomas Wenyll.
C140/55/27 mm. 1-2
Notes: the dorses of both the writ and IPM have not been seen, and it is not known whether there is an Exchequer version.
Original spellings: Exon’, Westwegwell, Haccomb, Glouc’, Clarenc’. Surname is Douryssh in writ and Dourissh in IPM.
Original dates: writ, 3 March 16 Hen Edw IV; IPM, Tuesday after Clausum Pasche, 17 Edw IV; death, 3 Feb. last; delivery, 29 April 17 Edw IV
Matt Tompkins, 21 July 2014, translation and transcription of original.
IPM of Joan Puntyngton, widow of Richard Dowryssh, 1512 E 150/152/3
Died 20 July 1512
Katherine is the daughter and next heir of Richard Dowryssh, aged 30 years
E 150/152/3 IPM of Joan Puntyngton, widow of Richard Dowryssh, 1512
Taken at Exeter, 7 Oct. 4 Hen VIII [1512], before Philip Courtenay of ‘Byklegh’, esq., esheator. in Devon, super diem clausit extremum cuiusdam Johanne Puntyngton nuper uxoris Ricardi Dowryssh.
Jurors: Alexander Wode esq., etc [rest not named]
Richard Dowryssh was seised of and in the manor of ‘Stoklegh Englyssh’; a messuage, 200 a. land, 10 a. meadow, 8 a. wood, 20 a. pasture in ‘Credy Helyon’ and ‘Upton Helyon’; 2 tenements, 40 a. land, 2 a. meadow, 10 a. pasture and a grain mill in ‘Upton Helyon’; a tenement, 100 a. land, 6 a. meadow, 20 a. pasture in ‘Woluedon’; 100 a. pasture in ‘Thorneworthy ‘ and ‘Drakeworthy’; 3 tenements, 3 gardens and a meadow in ‘Hatherlegh’; a cottage and 2 closes of land in ‘Plympton Comitis’; a tenement and a cottage in ‘Plympton Prioris’; 4 tenements and a close of land in ‘Plymmouth’; a tenement, 30 a. land and 30 a. pasture in ‘Lypston’ in his demesne as of fee, and so seised raised a fine to a certain William Shapton and Robert Tournour who granted all the properies to a certain Nicholas Snape for a term of one month, remainder after the term to the said Richard Dowryssh and Joan his wife for their lives, and then to Peter Dowryssh, son of the said Richard, and the heirs of his body, remainder to Peter’s sisters Isabel, Alice and Katherine, and the heirs of their bodies, dated at Westminster in the octave of Trinity, 11 Hen VII [1496], by virtue of which Richard Dowryssh and Joan were seised in their demesne as of free tenement. Afterwards Richard died and Joan was solely seised in her demesne as of free tenement. Afterwards Peter and Alice died without issue of their bodies and Isabel married William Page and had issue John Page and afterwards died, while Joan still lived. Afterwards Joan died and Katherine enetered the properties and was seised in her demesne as of fee tail by virtue of the remainder. So seised she married John Snytall, by which he entered and was and is still seised in his demesne as of free tenement and in right of Katherine.
The manor of ‘Stoklegh Englyssh’ is held of the marchioness of Dorset as of her manor of ?’Colrygge’ by knight service, annual value 30s.
etc etc
She died 20 July last. Katherine is the daughter and next heir of Richard Dowryssh, aged 30 years and more.
Translation and transcription by Matt Tompkins
C1/79/74 Coterell-Atwill dispute
Posted to SGM by Jim Lipka: Re: Wives of Richard Dowrich, 30 July 2014
Transcription of the Coterell-Atwill dispute (C1/79/74), and the response of Thomas Atwill does indeed confirm Robert Stawell as Alice's father.
".....the seid Thomas Dourissh made the seid Robert Stowell Esquire and Alice wif of the seid Thomas Dourissh and doughter of the seid Robert his executors and died after whos dethe the seid Robert Stowell understandyng and knowyng the will of the seid Thomas Dourissh to be in form aforseid delyvered the seid evidence unto the seid Thomas Atwill to the use and behof of the seid heres of the foreid Thomas Byshop..."
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no79/IMG_0126.htm
Thomas and Alice's rejoinder to Thomas Atwill's response also mentions Robert Stawell as executor of Thomas Dowrich.
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no79/IMG_0127.htm

C 1/198/41 Dourisshe v Coterell
Posted to SGM by Jim Lipka: Re: Wives of Richard Dowrich, 24 July 2014
Dourisshe v Coterell. [National Archives: C 1/198/41. Date: before 1500]
This document clearly makes the claim that Richard was the son, not the brother, of the Thomas who married Alice Stawell.
(Matt, is it possible that the Robert Savell esq. referred to in the IPM was Robert Stawell esq. - Alice's father?)
"To the most revrent fader in god the Archbyshop of Canterbury Cardynall and Chancelor of Ynglond.
Mekely besechith your good and gracious lordship your contynuall oratour Thomas Dourisshe son and heyr to Richard Dourisshe, that where as Thomas Dourisshe granfader to ye said besechour was seased of and in the maners of Dourisshe, Holford, Credy Hillyng and Upton Hillyng and other lands and tents in Radlegh and Britport within the Countie of Devonshyr in his demesne as of fee tails. And so being seased made one Alys his wif, now the wif of one Thomas Coterell his executrice and died. After whois dethe the fee and the right of the said maners and lands descended to the said Richard entered in the premyses and lands therof seased and died. After whois dethe ye said oratour entered in the said premyses as son and heyr to the said Richard and thereof was seased in his demesnes as of fee tails and yet is. And all the evydence chartorys and muniments concerning the said maners and lands after the dethe of the said Thomas Dourisshe the granfader came to the possession and handys of the said Alys as executrice of the said Thomas. Whom your said oratour hath often requyred and also the said Thomas Coterell now her husbond to delyver hym the said evydence chartorys and muniments. Whyche to do they at all tymes have refused."
Deposition of Thomas Dowrish who married Margaret Reke
Below posted by Jim Lipke on SGM 18 July 2014
Proves Thomas Dowrish married Margaret Reke, that she was previously married to John Boyville, and that Thomas Dowrish survived Margaret (died 3 Feb. 1477).
Index references to the IPM of Margaret Ryke/Dourisshe describing her as wife of the late Thomas Dourisshe are mistaken. I have seen the IPM in the National Archives. It is very short and in poor condition. It describes her as having married a Thomas Dourisshe, but no references that I could make out as to which Thomas Dourisshe.
The 1453 mention in the Close Rolls make it clear that Margaret was married to the then Thomas Douryssh the younger. (CCR Hen.VI,Vol.5, PRO, London, p 434.) Margaret's cousin John Sturgeon and her brother Thomas Ryke supported Margaret and Thomas in reaching an accommodation with the descendants of John Bovile the younger that provided for Thomas and Margaret's peaceful occupation of the manor of Westwogewylle during the lifetime of Margaret.
"John Sturgeon, Thomas Rykes, each citizen and mercer of London, and Thomas Douryssh of Douryssh in the parish of Kyrton co. Devon the younger 'gentilman' to Osmund Wele and Peter Johnson. Recognisance for 300 marks, to be levied etc. in Devon and Kent.
Condition, that on the day the said Osmund, Peter and Joan his wife shall obtain an original writ of formedon in descendere against them, to be prosecuted at Westminster on 21 May next and returned in the quinzaine of Trinity next. Thomas Douryssh and Margaret his wife shall be sole tenants of the freehold of all the shares of the manor of Westwoggewyll whereof they were ever seised in her right, that they shall that day make default, and at the day named in the writ of magnum cape shall again make default, or else shall appear and plead in bar of the action, and shall await the issue so joined and tried without challenge of the jury or any of the jurors, appearing from day to day without delay until the jury be passed." Westminster, 19 May, 1453.
When the dispute over West Ogwell resurfaced after Margaret's death (National Archives C1/50/313), Thomas Dourisshe gave evidence in the dispute. The extract from Thomas' evidence below provides an interesting account of how West Ogwell came to the Courteneys. The final sentence confirms that she was still married to Thomas Dourisshe at the time of her death.
The main clue as to Margaret Ryke's origins probably lie in the close relationship between the Rykes and the Sturgeons. In addition to the will of Nicholas Sturgeon, there are other references that show a close relationship over their lifetimes. E.g., Thomas Ryke was the first apprentice taken on by John, the eldest of the Sturgeon brothers (1428-1435). The Sturgeons were a metal exporting family based in Ashburton, one of the Devon tin weighing towns. Both of Margaret's brothers had a son named William, their only recorded children. Genealogical profiling would suggest we look for a prominent William Ryke with connections to Ashburton and the tin industry. In 1372 a William Ryke of Ashburton (later an MP) provided the tin for the bells of Exeter Cathedral. There are references to Rykes in and around Ashburton for generations before this. I would speculate that this Willliam Ryke was an ancestor of Margaret and her brothers.
Thomas Dowrish's evidence was taken on 24 May 1478
Thomas Dourissh's evidence in C 1/50/313 can be seen on A-ALT, here;
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no50/C1no50nos302-421/IMG_0017.htm
and here:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no50/C1no50nos302-421/IMG_0018.htm
The original deposition is very legible, but unfortunately the first image, with its first two paragraphs, is blurred and mostly barely legible. Below is my best guess at what the first two paragraphs say (it will certainly contain errors), followed by Jim Lipka's transcript of the much longer third paragraph, with the gaps filled and a few corrections made:
The examynacion taken by me Owyn Lloyd ... Exestre in the Counte of Deuonshire the xxiiij daye of Maie the xviij yere of the regne of kyng Edward the iiij'th by uertue of a writte of dedimus potestatem directe to me and to John Denys of Ocle and to either of us of one Thomas Dowrissh named in the same writte vpon the trought of a bille putte in the saide Kyngs Chauncerie by Richard Wele and John Cole ayenst Edward Courtenay and vpon thanswere and replicacion in that parte made in manere and forme that foloweth.
Firste the saide Thomas Dowrisshe sworne vopon the holie euangelies seith that as touchyng the fyne alegged in the said bille by the whiche the
| maner of Westogwell in the counte of Deuonshire with thappurtenances was ... entailled he can nat depose no certainte therof but he seith that one
| Thomas Boyvill ... was the ?third ?broder and ?youngest ... John Boyvill named in the saide bille by his dede longe tyme passed releassed all his
| right that he hadde in the saide maner  ?with ... ?whiches descended ?so by that v... the heires of the said John Bovile ... of the
| .. of the ... maner ?though .. ... ... the dede the same Thomas Dowrissh seith he hath seyn in the handes of Sir Hugh Courtenay
| fader to the saide Edward for the ?taile of the saide ?maner to Osmond Wele is ... named in the seid bille and the seid Sir Hugh Courtenay is daies
| the ... putte in trety ... ... ... ... ... ... ... as the seid Osmond named hyn selfe and in conclusion at all tymes
| the saide dedd of ... ... ... ... thervpon none ende hadde at eny seison by cause that the saide dede was not sufficiently answered
| by the same Osmond.
Ferthermore howe that Sir Hugh Courtenay grandfader to the saide Edwarde came to haue estate in the saide maner of very trought [ie truth] as the saide Thomas Dowrissh hath herde Margaret that was wife to the saide John Bovile thelder and after hym wife to the same Thomas Dowrissh and many other credible persons to saye it was so that the saide John Wele apassyng euyll disposed persone wedded Thomasin comprysed in the saide bille after whych weddyng he seyng that the saide John Bovile thelder had none issue by cause the saide John Wele wolde nygh hym selfe to the saide maner labored all the menes that he coude to shorte the life of the saide John Bovile vexed and troubled the same John sumtyme to London and elles where the which was to hym a grete peyne for he was a grete aged man and also putte hym at dyuerse tymes in grete fere of his life so ferre that he durste not abide in his owne house nor come to his parisshe Churche and for parte of the conclusion of his euyll disposicion laye in wayte for John Bovile the yonger his fader in lawe withoute cause or occasion and hym sore bette and wounded and lefte hym for dede the saide John Bovile thelder heryng herof fered the more of his life and for suerte therof the same John bargayned with the saide Sir Hugh that he shulde have to hym and his heirs the saide maner after the deth of hym and the saide Margaret his wife and the heires that shulde come of theym and that the same John Bovile might live in reste by his helpe and fauour and to be in surete of his life ayenste the saide John Wele and that the same Sir Hugh shuld helpe to punysshe the saide John Wele for the sore betyng and woundyng of his saide broder and ouer that the same Sir Hugh shulde paye to the same John Bovile iiij xx [four score] marc' the whiche bargeyn was by theym vtterly concluded and agreed whervpon an estate was made by the saide John Bovile to the same Sir Hugh and other in fee such as the same Sir Hugh named and trusted moste onely to the behove of the same Sir Hugh savyng they shulde afterward make estate to the saide John Bovile and Margaret his wife and to the heirs of their bodies comyng accordyng to the saide bargeyn as it appereth more opynly by Indentures made betwene theym whervpon the same Sir Hugh by mene of his frendes atte his owne costes gate oute an Oyer and Termyner in the name of the saide John Bovile the yonger ayenste the saide John Wele and was thervpon condempned in a grete summe and was putte in prison for execucion and there bode stille many yeres so that the same John Bovile euer after leved in reste and without fere of the saide John Wele and the same Sir Hugh paied parte of the saide somme of iiij xx marc' to the saide John Bovile thelder and the same Sir Hugh died and afterward the same John died withoute issue and Margaret his wife toke to husbonde the saide Thomas Dowrissh and for asmoche as thestate taille was nat made ayen of the saide maner to the saide John and Margaret therfore estate therof was made by the saide Sir Hugh son and heire of the saide Sir Hugh the Grauntfader to the saide Thomas Dowrissh and Margaret duryng the life of the same Margaret without empechement of waste and also the same Sir Hugh paied to the saide Thomas Dowrissh and Margaret xx li' the whiche remayned of the saide somme of iiij xx marc' for asmoche as the same Margaret was executrice to the saide John heir husbonde and where it is supposed by the saide bille that the saide Sir Hugh hadde a grete grugge and remorse in his conscience for the Inyuries and wronges that he hadde done to Osmond Wele and his heires in withholdyng fro theym the saide maner and that he hadde taken thissues and profites therof by longe tyme wherfore he shulde charge his son Edward to refeffe the saide Osmund and his heires in the saide maner after his decesse. As to this the saide Thomas Dowrissh seith by almaner of likelihode this may not be true and parte therof he knoweth certenly is not true for he seith that the saide Margaret contynuelly toke the hole profite of the saide maner after the deth of the saide John heir firste husbonde tille the same Thomas wedded heir and thence she and he in her right contynuelly toke the profite tille she died and that was withynne this other halfe yere laste passed the whiche was by the space of xl yeres and more and the saide Sir Hugh Courteney toke neuer the profite therof."
Jim Lipka and Matt Tompkins
C1/50/313 Wele v Courtenay
manor of West Ogwell.
Deposition of Thomas Dowrysshe, 24 May 1478
Transcript by Matt Tompkins
Plaintiffs: Richard, son of Osmond Wele, son of Thomasyn, daughter of John Bovile, the younger; and John Cole, son of Jane, the other daughter of the said John Bovile.
Defendants: Edward, son of Sir Hugh, son of Sir Hugh Courtenay, knight, late feoffee to uses.
Subject: Manor of Westwogwyll, granted by Walter Lappelode, clerk, to William, father of the said John Bovile.
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no50/C1no50nos302-421/IMG_0017.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no50/C1no50nos302-421/IMG_0018.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no50/C1no50nos302-421/IMG_0019.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no50/C1no50nos302-421/IMG_0020.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no50/C1no50nos302-421/IMG_0021.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no50/C1no50nos302-421/IMG_0022.htm
Images 019and 020 are the writ of dedimus potestatem dated 25 April 18 Edw IV [1478] directing Owyn Lloyd or John Denys of Orle to obtain Thomas Dowrysshe’s evidence concerning the petition of Richard Wele and John Cole against Edward Courtenay. Images 021 and 022 are the copy of the original bill, Edward Courtenay’s Answer and the plaintiffs’ Replication which was attached to the writ. Images 017 and 018 are Thomas Dowrysshe’s deposition, as follows (image 017 is very blurred and lines 1-13 below are tentative):
1. The examynacion taken by me Owyn Lloyd ... Exestre in the Counte of Deuonshire the xxiiij daye of Maie the xviij yere of the regne of kyng
2. Edward the iiij'th by uertue of a writte of dedimus potestatem directe to me and to John Denys of Orle and to either of us of one Thomas Dowrissh named
3. in the same writte vpon the trought of a bille putte in the saide Kyngs Chauncerie by Richard Wele and John Cole ayenst Edward Courtenay and
4. vpon thanswere and replicacion in that parte made in manere and forme that foloweth.
5. Firste the saide Thomas Dowrissh sworne vpon the holie euangelies seith that as touchyng the fyne alegged in the said bille by the whiche the
6. maner of Westogwell in the counte of Deuonshire with thappurtenances shulde be entailled he can nat depose no certainte therof but he seith that one
7. Thomas Boyvill that was the ?third broder and yongest vnto John Boyvill named in the saide bille by his dede longe tyme passed relessed all his
8. right that he hadde in the saide maner with a waraunt whiche is descended so by that waraunt the heires of the saide John Bovile be barred of the
9. title of the saide maner though it were entailed whiche dede the same Thomas Dowrissh seith he hath seyn in the handes of Sir Hugh Courtenay
10. fader to the saide Edward for the ?taile of the saide ?maner to Osmond Wele ?aforsaid [?is daies?] named in the seid bille and the seid Sir Hugh Courtenay ?aforsaid [?is daies?]
11. the son was oft putte in trety vpon ... ... ... premises in lawe suche as the seid Osmond named hym selfe and in conclusion at all tymes
12. the saide dede of waraunt was shewed and thervpon none ende hadde at eny seison by cause that the saide dede was not sufficiently answered
13. by the same Osmond. above needs to be checked against the original
14. Ferthermore howe that Sir Hugh Courtenay grandfader to the saide Edwarde came to haue estate in the saide maner of very trought [ie truth] as the saide
15. Thomas Dowrissh hath herde Margaret that was wife to the saide John Bovile thelder and after hym wife to the same Thomas Dowrissh and many
16. other credible persons to saye it was so that the saide John Wele apassyng euyll disposed persone wedded Thomasin comprysed in the saide bille after
17. whych weddyng he seyng that the saide John Bovile thelder had none issue by cause the saide John Wele wolde nygh hym selfe to the saide
18. maner labored all the menes that he coude to shorte the life of the saide John Bovile vexed and troubled the same John sumtyme to London and elles
19. where the which was to hym a grete peyne for he was a grete aged man and also putte hym at dyuerse tymes in grete fere of his life so ferre that
20. he durste not abide in his owne house nor come to his parisshe Churche and for parte of the conclusion of his euyll disposicion laye in wayte for
21. John Bovile the yonger his fader in lawe withoute cause or occasion and hym sore bette and wounded and lefte hym for dede the saide John Bovile
22. thelder heryng herof fered the more of his life and for suerte therof the same John bargayned with the saide Sir Hugh that he shulde have to hym
23. and his heirs the saide maner after the deth of hym and the saide Margaret his wife and the heires that shulde come of theym and that the same
24. John Bovile might live in reste by his helpe and fauour and to be in surete of his life ayenste the saide John Wele and that the same Sir Hugh
25. shuld helpe to punysshe the saide John Wele for the sore betyng and woundyng of his saide broder and ouer that the same Sir Hugh shulde paye
26. to the same John Bovile iiij xx [four score] marc' the whiche bargeyn was by theym vtterly concluded and agreed whervpon an estate was made by the saide
27. John Bovile to the same Sir Hugh and other in fee such as the same Sir Hugh named and trusted moste onely to the behove of the same Sir Hugh
28. savyng they shulde afterward make estate to the saide John Bovile and Margaret his wife and to the heirs of their bodies comyng accordyng to the
29. saide bargeyn as it appereth more opynly by Indentures made betwene theym whervpon the same Sir Hugh by mene of his frendes atte his owne
30. costes gate oute an Oyer and Termyner in the name of the saide John Bovile the yonger ayenste the saide John Wele and was thervpon condempned
31. in a grete summe and was putte in prison for execucion and there bode stille many yeres so that the same John Bovile euer after leved in reste and
32. without fere of the saide John Wele and the same Sir Hugh paied parte of the saide somme of iiij xx marc' to the saide John Bovile thelder and the same Sir
33. Hugh died and afterward the same John died withoute issue and Margaret his wife toke to husbonde the saide Thomas Dowrissh and for asmoche as
34. thestate taille was nat made ayen of the saide maner to the saide John and Margaret therfore estate therof was made by the saide Sir Hugh son and
35. heire of the saide Sir Hugh the Grauntfader to the saide Thomas Dowrissh and Margaret duryng the life of the same Margaret without empechement
36. of waste and also the same Sir Hugh paied to the saide Thomas Dowrissh and Margaret xx li' the whiche remayned of the saide somme of iiij xx marc'
37. for asmoche as the same Margaret was executrice to the saide John heir husbonde and where it is supposed by the saide bille that the saide Sir Hugh
38. hadde a grete grugge and remorse in his conscience for the Inyuries and wronges that he hadde done to Osmond Wele and his heires in withholdyng
39. fro theym the saide maner and that he hadde taken thissues and profites therof by longe tyme wherfore he shulde charge his son Edward to refeffe
40. the saide Osmund and his heires in the saide maner after his decesse. As to this the saide Thomas Dowrissh seith by almaner of likelihode this
41. may not be true and parte therof he knoweth certenly is not true for he seith that the saide Margaret contynuelly toke the hole profite of the saide
42. maner after the deth of the saide John heir firste husbonde tille the same Thomas wedded heir and thence she and he in her right contynuelly
43. toke the profite tille she died and that was withynne this other halfe yere laste passed the whiche was by the space of xl yeres and more and
44. the saide Sir Hugh Courteney toke neuer the profite therof.
C 1/198/15 Dowrysshe v Dowrysshe.
Plaintiffs: Thomas, son and heir of Richard Dowrysshe. Defendants: Johane Dowrysshe, executrix and late the wife of the said Richard. Subject: Detention of deeds relating to the manors of Crede Hyllyaunce and Stoke English. Devon. 1493-1500":
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7460150
Interesting. In C 1/198/15 Thomas Dowrysshe, son and heir of Richard Dowrysshe, complained that his father died seised of the manors of Crede Hyllyaunce and Stoke Englisshe in Devon in his demesne as of fee tail, after which they ought to have descended to Thomas as his son and heir, and that the title deeds, including the gift in tail itself, were in the possession of Richard's executrix, his widow Joan, who refused to give them up. He said he was suing in Chancery because he could not sue at common law for lack of knowledge about the deeds and the interests they created.
That 1496 fine is presumably the gift in tail Thomas referred to. Unless the properties were subsequently resettled, Thomas had no interest at all. One suspects he knew this perfectly well and was just harrassing his mother (or step-mother?) in the hope of forcng a compromise, or to gain some other advantage.
Matt Tompkins
C 4/31/103 Thomas Dowrysshe v. Joan Dowrysshe
commission and answer Date of document after 1500:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C8921767
?????? Ever checked ??????

C 1/198/41 Dourisshe v Coterell.
SGM post by Jim Lipka:
C 1/198/41 Dourisshe v Coterell. [National Archives: C 1/198/41. Date: before 1500]
This document clearly makes the claim that Richard was the son, not the brother, of the Thomas who married Alice Stawell. (Matt, is it possible that the Robert Savell esq. referred to in the IPM was Robert Stawell esq. - Alice's father?)
"To the most revrent fader in god the Archbyshop of Canterbury Cardynall and Chancelor of Ynglond.
Mekely besechith your good and gracious lordship your contynuall oratour Thomas Dourisshe son and heyr to Richard Dourisshe, that where as Thomas Dourisshe granfader to ye said besechour was seased of and in the maners of Dourisshe, Holford, Credy Hillyng and Upton Hillyng and other lands and tents in Radlegh and Britport within the Countie of Devonshyr in his demesne as of fee tails. And so being seased made one Alys his wif, now the wif of one Thomas Coterell his executrice and died. After whois dethe the fee and the right of the said maners and lands descended to the said Richard entered in the premyses and lands therof seased and died. After whois dethe ye said oratour entered in the said premyses as son and heyr to the said Richard and thereof was seased in his demesnes as of fee tails and yet is. And all the evydence chartorys and muniments concerning the said maners and lands after the dethe of the said Thomas Dourisshe the granfader came to the possession and handys of the said Alys as executrice of the said Thomas. Whom your
SGM post by Jim Lipka:
There was a gentry family by the name of Savell in the West Country at that time but it would have been too much of a coincidence if an individual with a name similar to Alice's father had given her property just after her marriage to Thomas Dowrich.
I have checked my transcription of the Coterell-Atwill dispute (C1/79/74), and the response of Thomas Atwill does indeed confirm Robert Stawell as Alice's father.
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no79/IMG_0126.htm
".....the seid Thomas Dourissh made the seid Robert Stowell Esquire and Alice wif of the seid Thomas Dourissh and doughter of the seid Robert his executors and died after whos dethe the seid Robert Stowell understandyng and knowyng the will of the seid Thomas Dourissh to be in form aforseid delyvered the seid evidence unto the seid Thomas Atwill to the use and behof of the seid heres of the foreid Thomas Byshop..."
Thomas and Alice's rejoinder to Thomas Atwill's response also mentions Robert Stawell as executor of Thomas Dowrich.
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/ChP/C1no79/IMG_0127.htm
Chancery Suits Re: John Slugge & Catherine his wife vs. Richard Douryssh
C 1/355/98 John Slugge and Katherine, his wife, great-niece and heir of Henry Langbere. Defendants: Richard Dowrysshe. Subject: Lands in ... agworth and Hatherleigh, Devon. 1504-1515.
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no355/IMG_0167.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no355/IMG_0168.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no355/IMG_0169.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no355/IMG_0171.htm
Transcription needed
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no355/IMG_0172.htm
Transcripton of Jim Lipka via email
This is the rejoindre of Richard Douryssh
unto the replication of John Slugge and Katyn his wyeff.
1] The seid Richard saith in all thyngs as he in his seid answere hath said and in that saith that the seid ? of the seid ? to the seid Isabel and the [?allegations]
2] of the immediate ? therof from the seid Thomas the yonger unto the seid Richard is [?materiall] and also it apperes that the ? the seid bill of complaint be ?
3] ? to be mater in ? fayned and nott of trought to putt the seid Richard to ? and trouble without that the [missing] ? ? and John ? ?
4] of them were enfeffed of the premisses to the to the use and behof of the seid Henry Langbere and of the heires of his [missing] suche ? use of
5] her heires for ? as were enfeffed to any other use or entent than in the answere of the seid Richard is allegged [missing] the seid Thomas
6] Douryssh thelder was into such use or ? as in the replication is ? and without that [missing] tyms of the seid
7] ? made unto hym knows that the seid John Langbere and ? or any of them were seased to any suche [missing] without that
8] that the seid Thomas Douryssh thelder Thomas Douryssh the [y]onger Isabel ? and the seid Richard [missing]
9] to any suche use or entent as in the seid replication is ? all ? the seid Richard is [missing]
10] more as he in his seid answere hath ?.

C 1/160/25
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no160/IMG_0036.htm
Summary by Matt Tompson via email
For what it’s worth, here is a summary of what the C 1/160/25 lawsuit mentioned by Jim says:
C 1/160/25: The complainants, John Slugge and his wife Katherine, say Henry Langbere held lands in Drakeworth and Hatherlegh in fee tail and enfeoffed Thomas Douryssh to hold to the use of him, Langebere, and the heirs of his body in accordance with the entail, and then died, after which the beneficial interest in the use descended to the complainant Katherine as his cousin and heir,* being the daughter of William ?Asshewey, son of Henry’s sister Elizabeth. Thomas Douryssh then died, and the lands descended to his son and heir Thomas Douryssh the younger, and then after the younger Thomas’ death to his brother and heir Richard Douryssh – in both cases subject to the use in favour of the heirs of Henry’s body.
  • interesting choice of words – does this mean the contemporary translation of ‘consanguineus et heres’ was ‘cousin and heir’, not ‘kinsman and heir’?
C 4/31/103 Thomas Dowrysshe v. Joan Dowrysshe
commission and answer Date of document after 1500:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C8921767
I tried to look at the C 4/31/103 documents above, but C 4/31 is damaged and not fit for production. – Matt
C 1/1522/8 Mostyn v Snydall
Plaintiffs: Nicholas MOSTYN, Robert LOVELL, Hugh CLYFE, Hugh DART and others.  :Defendants: Katherine SNYDALL, Thomas DOWRYSH.
Subject: Manor of Stockleigh English. Devon. Bill, mutilated. Transferred from :UNSORTED BUNDLES, SERIES II. 1956 Henry VIII":
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7507889
C 1/1522/8 - Showeth and complaineth to your good lordship that --- [long list of mostly illegible names, ending] Thomas Douryssh John Snydall of the said --- ?gentlemen and Katherine Snydall wife of the said ?John Snydall were seised of and in the manor of Stokeley Inglis and --- ?myses lands and tenements rents reversions and services with appurtenances in Stokeley Inglis aforesaid in their demesne as of fee and so seised by their sufficient writing --- and demised all the premises with their appurtenances to your said poor orators for term of their lives before whereof your said poor orators were thereof seised --- --- in their demesne as of freehold and for their estates in the premises so to ... - Matt Tompson (email 14 July 2014)
Feet of Fine CP 25/1/46/93, number 16.
Settlement by Richard Dowrish on children by second wife, 5 June 1496.
County: Devon.
Place: Westminster.
Date: One week from Holy Trinity, 11 Henry VII [5 June 1496].
Parties: William Sh[.p?]ton' andRobert Torner, demandants, andRichard Doweryssh' andNicholas Snape, impedients.
Property: The manor of Stocley Englyssh' and 21 messuages, 693 acres of land, 46 acres of meadow, 40 acres of wood, 62 acres of furze and heath and 14 shillings of rent and a moiety of 1 messuage and of 1 mill inCredyhelyon', Upton' Helyon', Wolvedon',Hatherlegh', Langber, Thornworthy,Ledebrugg', Pyddeslegh', Aller,Henstilhys, Yollond', Hollond' [deleted?],Holford', Bynholelypsion, Aysshberton', Bowtporte, Dowryssh', Lawarrodlegh', Plymmouth', Plymton' Prior and Plymton' Comitis.
Action: Plea of warranty of charter.
Agreement: Richard has acknowledged the manor and tenements to be the right of Robert, as those which Robert and William have of his gift.
For this: William and Robert have granted to Nicholas the manor and tenements and have rendered them to him in the court, to hold to Nicholas for the term of 1 month, and after the term the manor and tenements shall remain to Richard and Joan, his wife, to hold of the chief lords for the lives of Richard and Joan, and after their decease the manor and tenements shall remain to Peter Doweryssh', son of the aforesaid Richard, and the heirs of his body, to hold of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders (1) to Isabel, Alice and Katherine, sisters of the aforesaid Peter, and the heirs of their bodies and (2) to William Stapylhyll' and Walter York and the heirs of William Stapylhyll'.
Standardised forms of names. (These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.)
Persons: William Shipton, Robert Turner, Richard Dowrich, Nicholas Snape, Joan Dowrich, Peter Dowrich, Isabel Dowrich, Alice Dowrich, Katherine Dowrich, William Staplehill, Walter York
Places: Stockleigh English, Creedy (in Upton Hellions), Upton Hellions, Woolladon (in Meeth), Hatherleigh, Langabear (in Hatherleigh), Thornworthy (in Lynton), Lydbridge (in Hatherleigh), Pidsley, Aller, Henstill, Yelland (all four in Sandford),Holland (in Plympton St Mary), Halford, 'Bynholelypsion', Ashburton, Boutport (in Barnstaple), Dowrich (in Sandford), 'Lawarrodlegh, Plymouth, Plympton Prior, Plympton St Maurice


Dowrish Sources

  • Devon and Cornwall Notes and Queries, vol. 33, (1974-1977): Serial form: pp. 37-38, 70-73, 113-117, 154-155,208-211,252257,and 348-352. "Dowrich and the Dowrich Family of Sandford", by G.E. Trease.

Notes

Richard Problem
In Dourisshe v Coterell. (C 1/198/41), Thomas Dowrish directly calls himself son and heir Richard Dowrish, and grandson of Thomas Dowrish who married Alice now the wife of Thomas Coterell.
However
- The IPM of Thomas Dowrish who was married to Alice says his heir was a daughter, Elizabeth. The IPM mentions a grant to a Richard Dowrish without stating how he is related.
and
- C 1/160/25 states that Thomas Dowrish the Younger was succeeded by his brother and heir Richard Dowrish.
Known Facts which Must be Resolved
  1. A Thomas Dowrish died in 1477. (who is this?)
  2. Margaret (Reke) Dowrish died without issue on 3 February 1477.
  3. May 1478, Thomas Dowrish, who married Margaret Reke was still living.
  4. Thomas Dowrish died 1483. Heir daughter Elizabeth age 3.




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