upload image

Eldred Untangling Page

Privacy Level: Open (White)
Date: [unknown] [unknown]
Location: [unknown]
Profile manager: Jo Fitz-Henry private message [send private message]
This page has been accessed 562 times.

This page is to help the England Project untangle the conflated families of Eldreds in the 17th century.

Contents

Family of Thomas Eldred potential ancestor of US immigrant Samuel

Thomas Eldred (abt.1595-abt.1640) Managed by EP. Very precise will but the source has not been found. Links to these people which all need confirmation:

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1508406/thomas-eledredge-reattached-undocd-parents-suffolk-england

From Calendar of State Papers Dom - Charles I Vol 7 1625 Thos. Eldred to Thos. Styles. Robt. Deering had shipped on board Eldred's ship 75 barrels of powder, but the King of Denmark had taken away 66 barrels at the rated price. Gentlemen at Ipswich desire to buy the remainder. Has brought back the Dutchman ("Johannes Ladislaus Melbik ?") who went out with him.


Searching for Thomas' will

As he was of Ipswich, the hierarchy of courts is Archdeaconry of Suffolk, Consistory of Norwich, PCC.

Not found in:

  • PCC Wills under Thomas Eldr* or Thomas 1640
  • Suffolk Archives, covering Archdeaconry of Suffolk: 'will of Thomas Eldr*'
  • Printed index to the "Archdeaconry Court of Suffolk Probate Records at Ipswich 1444-1700" (which includes admons and surviving inventories)
  • NROcat covering Norwich Consistory Thomas + Eldr* +probate
  • Essex RO catalogue (person seach Eldr*; advanced search "Thomas will" limited to 1640-1641)
  • Consistory Court of London, original wills only, not register copies, under Thomas Eldr*


It could still be admon with will attached in:

  • PCC Admons (not online). Now checked and not found in printed index. Donnelly-2171
  • Norfolk Consistory. Checked online catalogue, not found. Donnelly-2171 08:08, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Sufolk admons (no published index). Now checked and not found in printed index. Donnelly-2171 19:37, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Also worth double checking the printed index to Archdeaconry Court of Suffolk Probate Records at Ipswich 1444-1700. Now checked - no entry for the will/admon. Donnelly-2171 19:37, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

The description seems to be from a US perspective, and likely occurs in a genealogy including Samuel Eldred (abt.1620-aft.1697). Potential sources are:

Those listed for Samuel in Torrey's New England Marriages to 1700 (subscription needed):

and other Eldredge genealogies listed by Torrey:

Those on Samuel's WikiTree profile:

  • Watson, Marston. Royal Families: Americans of Royal and Noble Ancestry. Vol. 2. Reverend Francis Marbury and Five Generations of the Descendants Through Anne (Marbury) Hutchinson and Katherine (Marbury) Scott. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004. pg 25 (subscription needed): information on descendants only.
  • Banks, Charles Edward, 1854-1931, and Elijah Ellsworth Brownell. "Topographical Dictionary of 2885 English Emigrants to New England, 1620-1650." The Bertram press. Philadelphia, Pa. 1937. pg 157
    Minimal information. Refers to the Banks Mss at Library of Congress (see below)
  • Austin, John Osborne, 1849-1918. The genealogical dictionary of Rhode Island : comprising three generations of settlers who came before 1690 : with many families carried to the fourth generation. Albany : J. Munsell's sons. 1887. pg 71: see Austin's Dict above
  • Genealogies of Rhode Island Families, Vol. II; page 591-593: Taxes under Gov. Andros. List of 1687 Kings Co., RI Tax payers. Includes Samuel Eldred Sr., John Eldred, Daniel Eldred, Samuel Eldred Jr. and Thomas Eldred. Just a tax list.
  • De Forest, L. Effingham; De Forest Anne Lawrence, James Cox Brady and his ancestry, published 1933. Reference pages 178-183 Information about him, his wife, and children. No parents identified

Full text searches for '"eldred the great sea-chest"' or 'eldred "great sea-chest"':

Full text searches for '"compiler of these notes believes"':

"The compiler of these notes believes, after many years of research and careful consideration of evidence, that this Samuel is very probably the same person as the Samuel Eldred who appeared in Cambridge, Mass. in l64l, perhaps a little sooner.” (SKW)"
page 266 indicates that SKW is Stanley Kay Wood. The previous page gives a potted history of 90 years of research, in which Stephen Claude Eldred is stated to have gone to England and "made a careful study of the records of the earliest Eldreds" with a copy of his history of the Eldred Family being sent to Wood.
The text in this book as an appendix seems to be copied from Eldred and allied families : Baughman, Cole, Fish, Hutchinson, Marbury, Mumford, Sherman Compiled by E Virginia Hunt 1975. However the search available on FamilySearch does not find phrases from the will.

Full text searches for '"second Childe, Charles Eldred"':

Other things checked:

Current conclusions on Thomas' will

The 1975 book Eldred and allied families by E Virginia Hunt is the earliest I can find that seems to rely on the will, though it does not quote it. The 1980 No Alpha - No Omega book has the earliest quotation of the will I can find but is not available online. From Hunt's potted history of research I infer that it may have been Stephen Claude Eldred who found the will. Millard-1402 10:59, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Family of "Nutmeg John" John Eldred the Traveller and Merchant

John Eldred-587 (abt.1552-1632) the Traveller, merchant of the City of London, later Great Saxham, Suffolk. Will 1633, transcript, contested
married Mary Revett or Rivett before 1590 she predeceased him.
Children (listed in Boyd's Inhabitants of London) and Gage's History of Suffolk:

Extensive research notes on possible children and leads for identifying them on Miles Corbet's page.

Boyd's Inhabitants of London also lists Nathaniel, but he is the Coleman Street John

Currently also has another daughter attached Elizabeth (Eldred) Adcocke (bef.1570-) but she is more likely to be a niece or cousin. Zubrinsky in NEHGR 167 7-14 leaves the relationship vague: "The Suttons' presence in Great Saxham was probably tied to Julian's maternal kinship with the family of John Eldred".

Unassigned Great Saxham burials

Once identified, please copy to their profile and delete from here.Millard-1402 12:02, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Thomas Eldred was buried 5 November 1622 at Great Saxham, Suffolk.[1]

Amy Eldred, wife of John, was buried 9 January 1624/25 at Great Saxham, Suffolk.[2]

Joan Eldred, wife of John, clerk,was buried 28 August 1627 at Great Saxham, Suffolk.[3]

John Eldred, son of John, was buried 11 December 1627 at Great Saxham, Suffolk.[4]

Family of John Eldred of Coleman Street "Coleman John"

John Eldred (bef.1593- 1638) married Rebecca Unknown Rebecca (Unknown) Eldred (bef.1597-).
Children:

  • Nathaniel baptised at St Michael Bassishaw 1617. Was father's apprentice and executor of father's will.
  • Rebecka baptised at St Stephen Coleman Street 1619. Dead by 1638
  • Samuel baptised at neighbouring St Martin Pomeroy 1620 - noted in the register that St Stephen was being repaired. Died in infancy
  • Samuel baptised at St Stephen Coleman Street 1622
  • John baptised at St Stephen Coleman Street 1624
  • Hanna baptised at St Stephen Coleman Street 1627
  • Mary baptised at St Stephen Coleman Street 1629, died 1633
  • Jonathan baptised at St Stephen Coleman Street 1630. Will 1662, transcript.

His will Will of John Eldred, Citizen and Clothworker of London, 1638

Family of WILLIAM Eldred the Merchant/Chandler of Ipswich, Suffolk

There is a 1587 grant of administration for a Thomas Eldred, to his widow Margaret, who seems very likely to be Thomas Eldred (1535-1603) (noting that sources say he was dead by 1603, rather than this being the year of his death).[5] If he was dead in 1587, he clearly cannot be the Thomas Eldred who was circumnavigating the globe with Cavendish until 1588

  • Wife Margaret (Margery) Studd Studd-2
    • Son Thomas (1561? - 1624) (Will 1624) Eldred-1215
    • Wife Susan (daughter of Henry Aldham?)
    • Son Philip (1674-1631) (named in 1624 Will of Thomas E-1215 as living brother) Eldred-163
    • Son WILLIAM (1572 - bef. 1623) (named as deceased in 1624 Will of Son Thomas) Eldred-79


Random Unassigned Eldreds

Keep these profiles here until they can be unequivocally be assigned to one of the main family groups

Migrant Eldreds

This will worth looking at https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/eldred-john-the-younger-husbandman-of-new-buckenham probably this one John Eldred (abt.1518-1558)

G2G questions

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1508406/thomas-eledredge-reattached-undocd-parents-suffolk-england posted 18 December 2022

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1511738/where-is-the-source-for-thomas-eldreds-will-of-1640 posted 26 December 2022

Wills

Will of Thomas Eldred of Barmingham, a Labourer, 1641

Will of Dame Anne Eldred of Saxham, 1671

Nutmeg John Will of John Eldred of Great Saxham, Suffolk, 1633

Son of Nutmeg John Will of Joseph Eldred of New College Oxford, 1646

Coleman Street John 1638 Will of John Eldred, Citizen and Clothworker of London, 1638

Jonathan Eldred 1662 : son of Coleman Street John Will of Jonathan Eldred, 1662

Peter Eldred of Morley 1608 Will of Peter Eldred, of Morley, Norfolk, Yeoman 1608

Will of Jonas Verdon of New Buckenham, Norfolk, 1618 husband of an Eldred whose father is P Eldred. No children.

Will of Thomas Eldred of Ipswich, 1624 Will of "Thoma Elored" aka "Thomas Eldred, Merchant of Ipswich, Suffolk", Ancestry PROB 11/143/738

Will of John Eldred of Colchester/ Little Birch, Essex. 1646 Will of John Eldred, Merchant of Little Birch, Essex PROB 11/197/562 proved 21 October 1646

Will of Thomas Revett of Rishangles, Suffolk 1596 (father of Mary Revett) NCC will register Skyppon folio 55 1596 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS13-NQCD-6?i=73&cat=278818

Will of Charity Lee widow of Newington, Surrey 1699

Will of Robert Elred/Eldred of Knettishall 1486

Will of John Lawsdall of Thurlby 1545

Will of Nicholas Eldred of Knettishall 1566

Will Abstracts

Reginald Ederich of Coddenham 1461

  • "Reginald Ederych de Codenham"
  • Written Thursday after St Julian's Day 1460
  • To be buried in Coddenham churchyard
  • Young daughter Margaret
  • Joan Ederich, daughter of Robert Ederich
  • Young son John Ederich
  • Son Robert Ederich
  • John Foot
  • Servant Matilda Dobbys
  • Executors were Thomas Coupere, presbyter, and son Robert Ederich
  • Son Robert gets the tenement "Bakers" and all its land and appurtenances
  • Margaret wife of Thomas Coupere of Coddenham aforesaid gets the issues of 2 pieces of land for seven years, which afterwards revert to son Robert
  • Wife Margaret
  • Agnes wife of John Hunne of Hemingstone
  • Alice wife of Thomas Bret of Stonham Aspal
  • Proved at Coddenham in the Archdeaconry Court of Suffolk 1 June 1461

Robert Eldred of Knettishall 1486

  • "Roberd Elreed of gnatesald"
  • Written 20 March 1485/6
  • Donations to churches and guilds in Knettishall, Gasthorpe, Riddlesworth
  • Wife Joan gets 1 tenement and 3 acres of arable land in Knettishall, sometime the tenement of Margaret Baldry, late the wife of John Baxster of Hopton, lying between the tenements of Thomas Cowpere and William Goche. Joan also bequeathed various animals
  • Son Reginald gets tenement "Elreddys" in Knettishall, with its appurtenances and commodities, and is residual legatee and executor
  • Son Roger gets first right of refusal if his mother wants to sell the 3 acres of arable land
  • All children get 3 shillings, 4 pence [children not named, could be more than Reginald and Roger]
  • Proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Sudbury 10 April 1486

John Eldred of Riddlesworth 1512

FamilySearch Image

  • "John Eldred of Relisworthe"
  • Written 1512
  • To be buried in churchyard of Riddlesworth
  • Bequests to churches: Trinity Church of Norwich, Riddlesworth, Knettishall
  • Bequests to religious guilds: St Peter, Riddlesworth; St John, Knettishall; St Nicholas, Gasthorpe
  • Wife Margaret gets tenement with lands and appurtenances in Knettishall during her life
  • Godson John Eldred the Younger gets the Knettishall property after Margaret's death
  • Godson Roger Eldred of Gasthorpe gets 40 pence
  • Executors are wife Margaret and Reynold Eldred of Knettishall
  • Witnesses John Wellis, Margaret his wife, and Thomas Gnatsall
  • Proved at Buckenham in the Archdeaconry Court of Norfolk 27 April 1512

Margaret Eldred of Riddlesworth 1522

FamilySearch Image

  • "Margaret Eldred wedow of reddlesworth"
  • Written 7 February 1522/3 (sic)
  • Margaret Alcok gets a kirtle
  • Katherine Levald gets her best gown
  • Rose Bryon gets her best hood
  • Margery Bryon gets her black kirtle and silver hooks
  • Son Sir Edmond, friar
  • John Levald, nephew
  • Executors are John Levald of Garboldisham and Sir Richard Wryght, priest
  • Supervisor is Thomas Levald of Riddlesworth
  • Witnesses Sir Richard Newton, friar, John Bryon and Sir Edmond Dey, friar
  • Proved at Wilby in the Archdeaconry Court of Norfolk 12 May 1522 (sic)

Roger Eldred of Woodbridge 1538

  • "Roger Eldred of Woodebrygge"
  • Written 8 January 1537/8
  • Wife Marion to have use of all goods during her life
  • Anything remaining after Marion's death to be evenly divided among Sutton's children
  • Sister Katherine Monye to have her part if living at wife's death
  • Roger Grene to have his part if living at wife's death
  • Servant Lucy Smith gets 7 shillings 6 pence, or equivalent value of household goods
  • Robert Sutton is executor
  • Witnesses John Gatys, Richard Tyldon (the writer of the will), Sir Thomas Ponderley, Jeffery Wente and Thomas Marett
  • Proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Suffolk 2 July 1538

Thomas Eldred, Priest, 1544

  • "Thomas Eldrede preeste"
  • Written 25 January 1546/7 (sic)
  • To be buried in Knettishall Church beside his father
  • Robert Eldrede the Elder of Knettishall
  • John Eldrede the Elder of Knettishall
  • Robert Eldrede the Elder's wife (not named)
  • Alice, daughter of Robert Eldrede the Elder
  • William, Robert and Richard sons of Robert Eldrede the Elder
  • Agnes, wife of John Eldrede the Elder
  • William Selat, priest
  • Parson of Gasthorpe (unnamed)
  • John Eldred of Gasthorpe
  • Five youngest children of John Eldred of Gasthorpe
  • Servant Richard Eldrede (unclear if this is the same person as Richard, son Robert Eldred the Elder)
  • Children of John Eldrede the Elder of Knettishall (not explicitly named)
  • Godson Thomas Eldrede of Knettishall
  • Agnes Eldred, mother of godson Thomas Eldrede of Knettishall (same person as wife of John Eldrede the Elder?)
  • Kinsman Mr Parkyn of Gunwell (Gonville?) Hall, Cambridge gets alll his books
  • Siblings and godchildren Thomas Eldrede of Knettishall, Raynold (Reginald) Eldred and Alice Eldred
  • Alice and Joan, children of John Eldrede the Elder of Knettishall
  • John Eldred, son of Robert of Knettishall, currently an apprentice
  • Agnes Eldred, sister of John the apprentice
  • Executors and residual legatees are John Eldrede the Elder and his wife (Agnes)
  • Witnesses: William Selat priest, Robert Eldred the Elder of Knettishall and Richard Eldrede
  • Proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Sudbury 6 April 1544 (sic)

Robert Eldred of Knettishall 1550

  • "Robert Eldredd of Gnettyshall"
  • Written 12 December 1550
  • Wife Alice
  • Son William, main heir, presumably eldest
  • Son Robert, presumably second son, under 20 years old
  • Daughter Alice
  • Son Richard, under 18 years old
  • Alice and William are executors
  • Witnesses John Eldred Senior, Robert Kyng Senior, Hugh Lacye, Thomas Bryan
  • Proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Sudbury 4 February 1550/51

Robert Eldred alias Skinner of West Tofts 1554

  • "Robert Eldred alias Skynner of westoft[es]"
  • Written 24 January 1554/5
  • Numerous bequests to named poor people and widows
  • Mentions sevants in his uncle's house
  • James Hardye
  • Godchild Henry Becke, under 18 years old
  • Goddaughter Katherine Taylor, under 18 years old
  • Godchild John Eldred alias Skynner, under 20 years old
  • Nephew Richard Eldred alias Skynner, under 20 years old
  • Servant John Maye
  • Brother John Eldred alias Skynner
  • Brother John Eldred alias Skynner is executor
  • Sir Edmund Deye, supervisor
  • Witnesses John Thompson, William Estgate and John Eleye
  • Proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Norfolk at Swaffham 7 March 1554/5

John Eldred of Kenninghall 1557

  • "John Eldred of Kennynghall"
  • Occupation husbandman
  • Written 12 April 1557
  • Son Richard, presumably eldest, inherits lands and tenements in Gasthorpe
  • Son Robert, daughter Margaret and son John all to be kept by Richard until they reach the age of 20 years
  • Son Thomas
  • Son William
  • Daughter Isabel
  • Daughter Alice
  • Wife's son "Jarrarde Cosyn", underage
  • Sons Richard and Thomas are executors
  • Thomas Machyn, supervisor
  • Witnesses William Cowper, Edmund Farrowe, William Foster the Elder, William Foster the Younger, Roger Sparke, Edward Clew
  • Proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Norfolk at Attleborough 3 December 1557

John Eldred the Younger of New Buckenham 1558

  • "John Eldred the yonger of newe Buckenham"
  • Written 14 September 1558
  • Occupation was husbandman
  • Eldest 2 sons (unnamed) get houses, tenements and land in "helmeringham otherwise called morlon", after the decease of their maternal grandmother, the legacy of their maternal grandfather
  • Daughter Margaret, under 21 years
  • Wife Margaret
  • Two sons Peter and John (both underage) to get house and land in New Buckenham, after the decease of wife Margaret
  • Father John Eldred is executor, with wife Margaret
  • Supervisor is John Prockture, parson of Carlton
  • Witnesses John Warden, George Stanton, John Hunting, William Fecke
  • Proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Norfolk 4 November 1558

John Eldred of New Buckenham administration 1560

Image here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTQS-LNP?i=42&cat=417267 https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/eldred-john-of-new-buckenham-norfolk Jerome appears to be the administrator

Nicholas Eldred of Knettishall 1566

  • "Nicholas Eldred of Gnatshall"
  • Written 27 August 1566
  • Gentleman
  • Request burial in Knettishall churchyard beside his father and mother
  • Wife Bridget
  • Sons Thomas, Edmond and William
  • Son (in law) Stephen Rockood
  • Executrix is wife Bridget
  • Supervisor is nephew Robert Eldred
  • Witnesses Thomas Barker parson of Knettishall, Thomas Harvy, Robert Eldred, Thomas Pyke priest
  • Proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Sudbury 17 February 1566/7

John Eldred of Knettishall 1572

  • "John Eldred of Knotteshall"
  • Written 22 July 1572
  • Occupation yeoman
  • Eldest son Thomas Eldred gets all houses and lands in Knettishall and Hopton
  • Younger son Robert Eldred
  • Youngest daughter Ursula Eldred
  • Daughter Joan Person
  • Grandchildren Thomas, Edmund and Thomasine Person, children of daughter Joan
  • Thomas Eldred is executor
  • Edmund Person is supervisor
  • Witnesses Francis Clerk, John Edmonds Junior, Thomas Barrard
  • Proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Sudbury 18 September 1572

Richard Eldred of Gasthorpe 1593

  • "Richard Eldred of Gasthorpe"
  • Occupation yeoman
  • Written 25 November 1593
  • Son Thomas, presumably eldest, inherits lands and tenements in Gasthorpe, Riddlesworth and Hopton
  • Sons Robert, John and George and daughter Agnes each get 6li 13s 4d
  • Wife Joan
  • Thomas Reeve, son-in-law [presumably husband of daughter Agnes as they live in the same house]
  • Wife Joan and son Thomas are executors
  • Witnesses Simon Cooke, Leonard Levold, Robert Cock, John Hunte, John Staffe and Andrew Hart
  • Proved in the Consistory Court of Norwich at Garboldisham 15 December 1593

FHC Lookups

Potentially useful documents only available at FHCs and Affiliate Libraries:

Name: John Adcock Mr John Eldred
Place: Suffolk, England
Book: Burials. (Burial)
Collection: Suffolk: Sudbury - Wills of the Archdeaconry of Sudbury, 1630-1635
Volume: No. 2. Jermyn Index.
Chapter: 825. W(R) Alice Tillott of Bury St Edmunds, widow. 5 July 1633.
Text: To John Adcock for Mr John Eldred £50

Nic - could you have a look in the baptisms here for a MARY RIVETT or RYVETT sometime around 1570, may be 5 years each way. Was married to Nutmeg John by 1590. Also if she was married to either John Eldred or a Mr Drone first
Rishangles parish register transcripts and churchyard inscriptions
Film 991971
Items 15-17
https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/007810571?cat=633877 New 30 Dec ANF will Thomas Eldred 1636 https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/eldred-thomas-of-carleton-rode-2

https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/eldred-thomas-of-carleton-rode




Sources

  1. ↑ Suffolk Burial Index, Suffolk Family History Society, Ipswich Suffolk. https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/index.php/pages/view/publications#burials
  2. ↑ Suffolk Burial Index, Suffolk Family History Society, Ipswich Suffolk. https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/index.php/pages/view/publications#burials
  3. ↑ Suffolk Burial Index, Suffolk Family History Society, Ipswich Suffolk. https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/index.php/pages/view/publications#burials
  4. ↑ Suffolk Burial Index, Suffolk Family History Society, Ipswich Suffolk. https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/index.php/pages/view/publications#burials
  5. ↑ Norwich Consistory Court, Act books 1559-1588, 24 October 1587, Thomas Eldred of Ipswich, Img 1378 of 1594, DGS4398393; FamilySearch
  6. ↑ Eldredge, Robert P., The ancestry of Robert P. Eldredge. (Apollo, Pennsylvania: Closson Press, 2007), page 7.




Collaboration
  • Login to edit this profile and add images.
  • Private Messages: Send a private message to the Profile Manager. (Best when privacy is an issue.)
  • Public Comments: Login to post. (Best for messages specifically directed to those editing this profile. Limit 20 per day.)


Comments: 1

Leave a message for others who see this profile.
There are no comments yet.
Login to post a comment.
Ann Browning
This may be worth a look at but it is too hard for me to read

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT5/Eliz/CP40no1438/bCP40no1438dorses/IMG_0880.htm

CP40/1438: d 880 Suff dower Mannynge, Edmund; Alice his wife Eldred, Thomas

CP40/1438-9: K-Z

36 Hilary Term, 1585, sorted by plaintiff names K-Z(By Vance Mead

posted by Ann Browning