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England Orphan Trail: Citing Sources behind a Paywall

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Sources for older profiles can be less accessible. You may find that you can only find a source you need on a subscription site such as Ancestry or Find My Past.

Unfortunately, those without a subscription will not be able to view the source to verify the information, although there is a way to share a free to view image for Ancestry records shown below.

For all subscription site sources, transcribe as much information from the record as possible, and create a citation with sufficient information to enable the source to be found again. Web pages can disappear.

To refresh yourself with what should be included in a citation refer back to England Orphan Trail: Citation templates.

Ancestry

If you find a source on Ancestry which has an Image, there is an easy way to share a "free to view" image of it (and its associted catalogued record), so that those without a subscription can view the image (and record). Ancestry's help page can be found here; Sharing an Ancestry® Record and more information can be found here; WikiTree help: Links to Ancestry.

Although the Ancestry free links generated seem to be stable as of July 2022, it is always a good idea to transcribe as much information as you can for sources that are hidden behind a paywall in case the link becomes inactive.

There are four key steps involved in creating an "Ancestry Sharing Link". You need to;

  • Step 1) Generate the information required to create the Image Sharing link
  • Step 2) Generate the information required to create the Record Sharing link
  • Step 3) Generate the information required to source the citation
  • Step 4) Put it all together to create your citation

Note: if a record does not have an accompanying Image then the Share link described below will not appear in the record.

Step 1) Generating the information required to create the Image Sharing link

Go to the record for the Source image you wish to share. This example uses the record for: Samuel Stammers in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936

On this page you will see the Save, Print and Share buttons, located top right-hand side of the record page.

Ancestry results page showing sharing options


Click on the Share button and a pop-up window will appear, as in the image below.

Pop-up box containing sharing link

... copy the link in the box. This is your sharing link.

Copy and paste the link, from the pop-up box above, into your text edit box for the profile you are sourcing - you need some of the number sequences contained in it to contribute to your citation. These number sequences will generate the Image sharing link.

This is what the link looks like:
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/27301921?h=c7ae15

Now, using the numbers generated using the sharing button, extract them, and create a link which looks like this;

{{Ancestry Sharing|27301921|c7ae15}}

Keep this but you can delete the rest of the link.

Step 2) Generating the information required to create the Record Sharing link

We now need a link to the Record which the Image is attached to.

Now copy and paste the URL of the record into your text edit box for the profile you are sourcing - you need some of the number sequences contained in it to contribute to your citation. These number squences will generate the Record sharing link.

This is what this link looks like:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3069046:1623?tid=&pid=&queryId=729023a8bec6983240426bf3902a532e&_phsrc=uBp2&_phstart=successSource

Now, using the numbers generated from the URL, extract them, reverse the order, and create a link which looks like this;

{{Ancestry Record|1623|3069046}}

Keep this but you can delete the rest of the link.

Note: occasionally the numbers do not need to be reversed - if the link you generate does not work, try keeping the numbers in their original order and failing that, refer to your Trailblazer.

Step 3) Generating the information required to source the citation

We now need the information from the record, and Image if there is anything additional revealed in it. Record that information from the record and image in the text edit box for the profile you are sourcing. Also add the source information to create the citation for the source, remembering the W's, Who, What, Where (where within if applicable) and When.

You can find the source information on the record page just below the thumbnail of the image, as shown below. Don't forget to add anything additional revealead from the image in case the link ceases to work in future.

Citation information on Ancestry page


You need to copy the original source information and where you can find the original document.

Often Ancestry just states which database the record is from - you can add valuable information by putting the exact church (St Mary, Stoke Newington, Hackney in this case)

Step 4) Putting it all together to create your citation

Using the 3 pieces of information generated above, organise it so it appears as follows. Your citation may look like this in edit mode:

<ref>"London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936" [database on-line]. Ancestry.com. Entry for Samuel Stammers marriage to Charlotte Grey on 7 Jul 1805 in St Mary, Stoke Newington, Hackney, England (accessed [insert date]); citing London Metropolitan Archives; London, England; Reference Number: P94/MRY/012 {{Ancestry Sharing|27301921|c7ae15}} {{Ancestry Record|1623|3069046}}</ref>.

The actual citation for this example is shown in the Source section below.[1] You can see what is generated by clicking on the Ancestry Sharing link (Image) and the Ancestry Record link (Record).

Find My Past

Unfortunately, FindMyPast does not have a free to share option for the records it holds, so you will need to transcribe and create a citation for the source. Below is a screenshot of a typical transcription record page from FindMyPast.
As you can see the information relating to the source is included in the transcription record page, If there is an image to view, as in this example, view the image and transcribe as much as you can from the source. If there is no image you will have to use what information is available on the transcription record page.


So your citation in edit mode may look something like this:

<ref>Walter, son of Richard Acton, baptised 16 May 1615, Bridgnorth, St Leonard, Anglican Church. Citing: findmypast.co.uk "Shropshire Baptisms 1556-1697" Archive reference: P40/A/1/1. Page: 136.[https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FSHROP%2FBAP%2F913926 requires subscription] accessed (date)</ref>

Sources

  1. "London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936" [database on-line]. Ancestry.com. Entry for Samuel Stammers marriage to Charlotte Grey on 7 Jul 1805 in St Mary, Stoke Newington, Hackney, England (accessed [insert date]); citing London Metropolitan Archives; London, England; Reference Number: P94/MRY/012 Ancestry Sharing Link Ancestry Record 1623 #3069046




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I'm getting a new UX and format from Ancestry for their Sharing Links today, eg: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/11338?token=6IlTYDqCunrkUlg5U00j1h7UUPyugQweZcjvSEdsJcY%3D

The old links using the template still seem to be working, but this new format isn't going to work with the existing template.

posted by Nicholas Adams MA
Hi Nicholas,

There's a current thread about this on G2G https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1468671/has-ancestry-just-completely-changed-format-sharing-links so I think until we know what format Ancestry have settled on we'll just have to wait and see. If you paste that sharing link as a URL it changes back to the old format currently, and from there you can make a template, but it remains to be seen how permanent that is going to be. Sorry I can't be more help, Gill

posted by Gill Whitehouse
If I click on your link above, it takes me to a page withe the URL https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/30373978?h=2896c4, so that's a bit of a workaround at the moment.
posted by Gill Whitehouse
I'm not getting that: I get the original link in the address bar, in Firefox at least.
posted by Nicholas Adams MA
edited by Nicholas Adams MA
I also use Firefox, so it's obviously very variable at the moment.
posted by Gill Whitehouse
The Ancestry Record link is broken, giving a redirection error. As I had a couple of similar links added to profiles last weekend which were also broken in the same way, there seems to me to be some, probably new, API or other systemic issue. This is the fundamental problem with relying on urls which, to my knowledge, don't have a guaranteed format by the originating website.
posted by Nicholas Adams MA
The links work for me - BUT I have an ancestry subsription. (I'm using Chrome)
posted by Neil Turner
I also have a subscription, but use Firefox. The template should be browser agnostic. Given these templates require substantive processing to mean anything to end user, I'm not even convinced they meet the overall aim of keeping profile text simple.
posted by Nicholas Adams MA
edited by Nicholas Adams MA
To give specific information, I'm using WIndows 10 with Firefox. The url I get when I click on the link is https://ancestry.prf.hn/click/camref:1011l4xx5/type:cpc/destination:https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=1623&h=3069046 and the error I get is 'This Page is not Redirecting Properly'. The error is being generated by the ancestry.com website itself.
posted by Nicholas Adams MA
edited by Nicholas Adams MA
Nicholas, there are 3 Ancestry links on this page. The first is a link to the example record being used. Then there are two in the final result. I have just clicked on all three again and they work for me. Which one are you clicking to get that error? Please let us know, thanks! Susie.
posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
The final one, labelled 'Ancestry Record 1623 #3069046'.
posted by Nicholas Adams MA
Hi Nicholas, I've asked around and it sounds like the link might be triggering an ad blocker or virus software for you. The links have some affiliate stuff embedded in them apparently. There's a bit of related info in this G2G Question here. While the original Question is different to this problem the answer appears to relate. If you still experience problems after tinkering around (should you choose to) perhaps raise a new Q in G2G to find out if others have the same problem and how they have worked around it. Hopefully it's just a simple fix! Cheers, SusieO.
posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
I've tried without Adblocker and anti-virus with no change in result. Unlike the question, I am seeing the links at all times: it's just getting an error from Ancestry when I click it.
posted by Nicholas Adams MA
How frustrating :)

I have raised this G2G Question so hopefully someone will know what's going on: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1396449/problems-with-link-generated-from-ancestry-sharing-template Cheers SusieO

posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
Are you referring to the links created by the the Wiki Tree Sourcer?
No idea: I'm just referring to what I see as a user clicking on the link in a profile, or above on this page. Beyond the fact that the links are being generated from a template, I have no idea where they come from.
posted by Nicholas Adams MA
I just checked a few Ancestry links created by Wiki Tree Sourcer and they are working.
Hi Nicholas,

Can you please reply to this post and put the specific link which doesn't work in it?

The links work for me and nobody else has raised they don't work so I'm really keen to understand why they don't work for you.

Thanks, SusieO Orphan Trail Project co-Coordinator

posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
btw this is why we prefer citations to contain a link to both the record being cited AND the home page of the site the record belongs to.
posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
Sometimes there isn't a button but a symbol on the right hand side, like an arrow coming out of a box. Click on that to share.

I've made a picture with arrow to illustrate but I can't add it here.

posted on England OT citations behind paywall (merged) by Alison (Winkler) Breton
Does anyone know how to get a shareable link from AncestryLibraryEdition.co.uk? It only gives the option of sending the document by email or printing it. The email option creates a collection linked to the email address. There is still not a permanent URL for the document that can be used on WT.

UPDATE: Rob Pavey's WikiTree Sourcer browser extension has been updated to support AncestryLibraryEdition.co.uk and creates citations from it that work for regular Ancestry members.

posted on England OT citations behind paywall (merged) by David Weinberg
edited by David Weinberg
I believe you have to take the word library out of the citation.

Regards, Ann

posted on England OT citations behind paywall (merged) by Ann Browning
That works for the citation, but doesn't help with creating a shareable link. The 'toolbox' only gives these options

- Print - Download - Rotate Left - Rotate Right - FlipHorizontally - FlipVertically - Invert colors I made a screen clipping, but can't add it here

posted on England OT citations behind paywall (merged) by Ruth Jowett
That's funny - I've tried it out with my Firefox, and it still doesn't work.
posted on England OT citations behind paywall (merged) by Frances (Piercy) Piercy-Reins
It's worth mentioning here that if you're using Firefox when going to an Ancestry 'View Record' page, the 'share' button option isn't available. If you use Microsoft Edge, it is available.
posted on England OT citations behind paywall (merged) by Frances (Piercy) Piercy-Reins
On Firefox I do see the share button as of November 2021. It does take a second to show up. For example on this record: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/4576311:7619
posted on England OT citations behind paywall (merged) by Rob Pavey