German Flags

There is an alternative flag that might work a little bit better: https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/German_Flags-1

Sorry, we don't have such a flag

Okay, I'll use my own. Thank you.

The original imperial flag was a white cross on a red background. Whether today's Danish flag or the Swiss cross has anything to do with it is not certain. Over time, this imperial banner was replaced by the royal flag, which shows the black eagle or double-headed eagle on a golden background.

I haven't seen a picture of this flag on wikitree, but you can find examples on the German Wikipedia page. The English Wikipedia page doesn't seem to cover all aspects to me.

You can find the flag/banner here and the following pages:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:German_territorial_structure:_962_-_1500

I'm sorry, Dieter, I didn't ask the right question. Is there a flag for 1697 HRE that I can use in a Migration sticker? I saw the Reichsbanner on this page https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:German_territorial_structure:_1648_-_1803 and tried my best to reference it (German_territorial_structure_1803_-_1806-1.png) in the sticker, but I couldn't get it to work. Do the flags used in Migration stickers have to be in a specific location?

Did you happen to see L. König's G2G question about how to condominiums in the location field? He and I have been working on this together, both of us having ancestors born in such. Mine is from Obergimpern in 1697, the lands of which were ruled jointly by two Baronies. It seems unsatisfying to just put "Obergimpern, Heiliges Römisches Reich" and then describe the details in the bio. But that may be the only option. Do you have any insight?

Hi Michael,

yes I answered the question and wrote who I would do it. For the image I will do a test and then respond.

This is working:

Hi Sven, I added you to the trusted list for this page. Go ahead and add the Kingdom of Hannover flag to the list, Thanks, Traci

You may find the flags here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:German_territorial_structure_in_the_course_of_history

I've just moved the flag of the Kingdom of Hanover to the appropriate area, but thanks to Dieter's hint I found out that the picture was not an official flag, it is a self-created one.

Delete or leave in?

Thx Andy. I fixed it. ...................

I believe this flag is most representative of the Kindom of Hanover.

Could you please add a picture of the flag of The Kingdom of Hanover. I have almost 3000 profiles in my group of emigrants from Hanover I would like to use this flag in those profiles. While I could do it myself (and have) I think it should also be represented on this page. >>>>I uploaded this image Wahlert-24.png

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Hanover_1837-1866.svg it is Thank you, Mike Schindler

The yellow-white flag with the crown was the secondary flag from 1837-1866; Wikipedia is not correct in that case

The Prince-Bishopric of Osnabrück has never had an official flag, just like almost all other ecclesiastical principalities.

... and can I use the Coat of Arms to achieve a similar effect? I would much rather have the "local historic" flavor than the flag of Germany or Niedersachsen. Thank you for any suggestions or ideas.

Sven, try using the "nonmigrating ancestor" sticker. You can add your own images and wording. See: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Germany_Project_Templates#Nonmigrating_Ancestor.

Best, Traci

Hello Traci, hello Dieter,

I have now created a mini-space for Fürstbistum Osnabrück and fiddled with the coat of arms here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bergman-147

Three questions:

With Frans Bergman's profile, If I understand correctly,

1. I should use the nonmigrating ancestor template

2. I should not use migrating ancestor template (because the coat of arms was not a flag), - although it looks fairly nice?

3. Can I create a template so that I can create the non-migrating ancestor sticker for Fürstbistum Osnabrück more easily?

Thanks again for your guidance, Sven

Hi Sven,

1. Yes

2. You can use any image with the nonmigrating ancestor template - so use the COA

3. I'm pretty sure that if you want a new template on WikiTree, you have to request it (propose it on G2G and get support to show that many members will use it). IMO, its easier to just copy/paste the nonmigtrating ancestor coding.

Hope that helps! Best. Traci

Yes, thank you very much! That helps a lot  :D

Basically you are right, but there were more than 5000 states within the Holy Roman Empire in the course of time, at the peak more than 1700 states at the same time. I started to list them all more than a year ago, but so far I have managed at most 1000. Sometimes it takes days to find out the exact time period and the exact region where the state existed. Often they have also changed the names by division of inheritance. I estimate that I will be finished with the work in about 5 years, but then probably still quite a few state formations within the HRR still can not record. Therefore it will not be possible to add these historically correct flags to the profiles. There are also no pictures of many former flags and they have changed with each sovereign.

By the way, there were only 6, later 10 electorates. These were the rulers of the states that elected the German king and Roman emperor. To take only them would completely neglect, for example, larger states.

Thankyou so much, Dieter, for your answer and for your great work, which i only now come to know about. I only mentioned Kurfuerstentum Pfalz, Kurfuerstentum Mainz, Koenigreich Bayern, Gr.herzogtum Hessen because all my German ancestors come from presentday Rheinland-Pfalz, which earlier was part of those territories. Of course, it is impossible to make stickers for 5000 HRE states! The present german flag as default is very fine.

Thanks Albertus and Dieter. There are too many flags/variables to add to the "born in" or "roots in" stickers, so the defaults are the modern flags. HOWEVER, you can make your own sticker and add any flag/words you want by using the nonmigrating ancestor sticker here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Germany_Project_Templates#Nonmigrating_Ancestor

Hope this helps! Best, Traci

Also, Dieter has hundreds of flags attached to his German territorial structure in the course of history pages here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:German_territorial_structure_in_the_course_of_history.

Just click on the link to the time period, then search by location. :-)

Thanks again for all this info Dieter - it is a priceless collection!

Thankyou, Traci, that is the perfect solution. I shall try this on a few profiles; of course i have no wish to change the stickers on the hundreds of German profiles that i have made. Too much work! A sticker is symbolic for German origins, and does not have to be 100 percent historically accurate; and i do understand that the modern German flag (which is the same as der Deutsche Bund, and thus has a good pedigree!) has to be default. I just thought that i was not doing something correctly.

I added you to the trusted list, Rolf. Traci

The "image file" is the wikitree id to use in those stickers. The modern German flag's ID is "Flags.gif"