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The Grierson MacGregor Lineage

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The goal of this project is to ...look into the new information that Gilbert Grierson is NOT THE SON of Malcolm Dominus MacGregor but Duncan's

Right now this project just has 4 members,

  1. me. I am Carole Taylor.
  2. Misty Musco
  3. Michael Grierson
  4. David D Grierson DNA Group Mgr.

Here are some of the tasks that I think need to be done. I'll be working on them, and could use your help.

  1. read and verify the findings from "Allan Milligan"
  2. Follow-up the SOURCE that tells us that OUR Ancestor he took the name "Grierson" in accordance with charter granted before 1400, by George de Dunbar, Earl of March, conveying lands of Netherholm (2 km SW of Amisfield Tower), and Dalgarnock (just west of Dunscore) to him and his heirs male to be called by the surname Grierson.
  3. IF Gilbert did in fact TAKE a new name, other than his biological FATHER'S NAME, If that name was NOT MacGREGOR what was it????????????????????????? not GRIERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  4. I am MAKING A FAMILY TREE linking Gilbert Grierson to our America James GREER born circa 1627 ___ Mar: Anne Taylor in Maryland.
  5. IF your AMERICA TWIG is different than mine, please let us see how we can put both side-by-side..thank you Cuz' Carole (GREER-TAYLOR) Paternal side

Will you join me? Please post a comment here on this page, in G2G using the project tag, or send me a private message. Thanks!

The reason for adding the GREER FAMILY TREE is maybe one of the Descendant's will see something that they can add "a RELIABLE SOURCE" maybe a Family BIBLE..??? but since we now only believe the DNA tests, then one of the Male Descendant's must come forward and give up their blood for the rest of us Genealogy Seekers...

GREER FAMILY TREE

FIRST, it is said, THAT WE GREER's were never part of the GRIERSON LINEAGE.......However, the family LORE/The Genealogists of Olden TIMES have always said yes...
  1. Gilbert Grierson I b: c: 1353 Mar: Janet Glendening Scotland- SOURCES: wikipedia.com/many others except for Gilbert's PARENTS......."son of Duncan"
  2. Gilbert Grierson II b: c: 1397 Mar: Isabel Kirkpatrick Scotland-SOURCES:scotlandinoils.com/rootsweb TREES/f-a-g Delbert Bauer/[1] (talks about 1408-WWI)
  3. Vedast Grierson b: c:1714 Mar: Margaret Glendonwyn Scotland- SOURCES: genealogy.com/others
  4. Roger Grierson b:1/1/1439 Scotland Mar: Isabella GOURDOUN SOURCES: "Grierson Gracie TREE" & others...
  5. Roger Grierson b: c:1474 Mar: Agnes Douglas Scotland-SOURCES:Burke's Peerage/American Clan Gregor Society page 24 -/1962 Yearbook/ wikipedia.com
  6. John Grierson b: c: 1490 Mar: #1 Nicola Herries #2 Egidia Kennedy Scotland-SOURCES 1962 Yearbook/ wikipedia.com/The Peerage
  7. Roger Grierson b: c:1529 -Mar: Helen Douglas Scotland-SOURCES: 1962 Yearbook of the American Clan Gregor Society, Inc, (page 24, # 1364, Robert Alan Temple), Washington, D.C/charts from Lois Temple, Dublin, VA/ "Douglas Baronetage of Scotland, Pub 1790",
  8. William Grierson b: c:1567 -Mar: Nichola Maxwell Scotland--SOURCES: The Peerage
  9. James Grierson aka: Grier b: c: 1604 CAPENOCH, Scotland--Mar: Mary Anne Browne "Sir James removed to Cumberland and changed his surname to Grier.  :"On 6 August 1630 [Lag Charter #214], James Greirsone (NOT SIR), brother of Sir Robert Greirsone of Lag, witnessed his brother Lancelot Greirsone's sasine to Dalskairth." (William Greer, Illinois.)"  :SOURCES: On 6 August 1630 [Lag Charter #214],/ From a lithographed Family Chart prepared by Thomas Greer, of Ireland, in 1855 as given in GREGOR, MacGREGOR, MacGHEE, MAGRUDER, GRIERSON, GRIER, GREER --- A HISTORY OF THE ORIGIN OF THE ABOVE FAMILIES AND MANY OF THEIR DESCENDANTS, 1954, compiled by Robert M. Torrence, A.B., F.G.S.P., F.I.A.G., 110 Edgevale Road Baltimore 10, Maryland, page 41.)
So much for family lore/lithographed Family Charts
This is where the James Greer b: circa:1627 ----COUNTRY: Unknown We only have a SOURCE that a James Grear came from Bristol, England. (from there no one knows)
Mar: Ann Taylor Maryland of America-
SOURCES:
  1. Hall of Records at the Maryland State Archives in Annapolis, Maryland Land Office (Patents) - Libre 18, folio 152 - 2 November 1674 DATE: 6 Nov. 1674-- "NAME: James Grear was sold to Samuel Gibbons, Master of the SHIP: "Batchelor of Bristol". This from a list of servants of Robt. Ridgely.
  2. The Will of Arthur Taylor, father of Ann Taylor --Hall of Records, Annapolis, Maryland, R. M. # H. S., Vol. 1, page 261./
  3. Maryland Historical Magazine under the "The Maryland Historical Society" Vol XVI--[2] I downloaded a copy
  4. The History of Baltimore County, Maryland-- The Early Settlers/ O'Quin, Bertie.
  5. The Descendants of Aquilla Greer, Sr. 1719-1790
  6. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Author: Yates Publishing Publication: Ancestry.com Operations Inc APID: 1,7836::0 /
  7. "Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors of Members of the National Society Colonial Dames XVII Century, 1915-1975 --Author: Hutton, Mary Louise Marshall; Bott, Nydia Reynolds; National Society Colonial Dames XVII - Century--Pages:325--Location:Las Vegas Nevada FamilySearch Library; [3] --Subject: United States - Societies


SOURCES

1) rootsweb.com TREES Gilbert Grierson with father Duncan
ANSWER: there are only 5 trees that give Duncan as father. [4] Owner: Lester Parks -ID: I173354
FATHER Name: Duncan Beg MacGregor
Surname: MacGregor
Given Name: Duncan Beg
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1310 in Glenorchy, Argyllshire, Scotland
Death: AFT 1353 --_UID: 922A3861BA1C1144ABE7842EA275245958BC--Change Date: 5 Nov 2015 at 08:50:35
Duncan's Father: Malcolm Dominus MacGregor 11th Lord MacGregor b: ABT 1275 in Scotland
Duncan's Mother: Mary MacAlpin b: ABT 1280 in Scotland
SOURCE: "Information from the 1962 Yearbook of the American Clan Gregor Society, Inc, (page 24, # 1364, Robert Alan Temple), Washington, D.C. and other notes and charts from Lois Temple, Dublin, VA."
2) Clan Grierson wikipedia.com
ANSWER: "It has been conjectured that the Grierson family come from the same stock as the Clan Gregor, although this theory has been refuted by modern historians and there is no evidence to support it.[3]
The surname Grierson is a modern spelling of the medieval (circa 1408) surname Grerson.[4]
In about 1408 the Griersons acquired the lands of Lag, which became the principal seat of the clan chiefs.[3] Gilbert Grierson is described in a charter dating from 1420 as armour bearer to the Earl of Douglas.[3] Gilbert married Janet, daughter of Sir Simon Glendinning, whose mother was Mary Douglas, daughter of the fourth Earl of Douglas and Princess Margaret.[3] These royal connections secured the early fortunes of the Griersons.[3] In 1460 Vedast Grierson built a strong tower at Lag.[3]
NOTE: This is not a SOURCE for Gilbert Grierson's parents........................................
3) Find A Grave: Memorial #60667589 Created by: Delbert Bauer --Added: 26 Oct 2010
This is what Delbert Bauer believes.
"Sir Gilbert Grierson, 1st Lord of Lag.
Born: 1353 in Lag, Dumfries-shire, Scotland.
Died: 09 Apr 1425 at Lag, Dumfries-shire, Scotland.
He was buried in Old Dunscore Cemetery, Dumfries-shire, Scotland.
Gilbert MacGregor was also known as Gilbert Grierson, received charter to Lag Castle, December 1408. :Ancestor of Griersons of Lag and Arde as well as of the Griers and Greers.
Gilbert seems to have been the "Gilbrid" who led a migration from Glenorchy into Dumfriesshire in latter part of the 14th century.
The birth date shown is actually his christening date.
He was the second son of Malcolm MacGregor,
he took the name "Grierson" in accordance with charter granted before 1400, by George de Dunbar, Earl of March, conveying lands of Netherholm (2 km SW of Amisfield Tower), and Dalgarnock (just west of Dunscore) to him and his heirs male to be called by the surname Grierson.
In 1400, the Earl also granted charter to the lands of Airde, Tyrcrome, and Overholm in the Barony of Tybris for his many good deeds to the Earl.
On 6 December 1408, Gilbert got from his cousin Henry Saint Clair, Earl of Orkney, charter to Lands of Lag lying in the Brokenbarony, among the monk lands of the Monastery of Montrose, giving yearly a pair of gilt spurs at the Castle of Dumfries as blench farm.
On 17 May 1410, he got charter for lands of Drumjoan from Archibald, Earl of Douglas for being his armor bearer."
NOTE: Obviously he copied/pasted from another source..................
4) The Greers of Gunpowder on facebook
GRIERSON LINEAGE SCOTLAND Compiled by Gayle Greer Clutter --·Friday, October 12, 2018
1. DUNCAN (c. 1311- ) married ? Durant (daug to John Durant of Troqueer’ Lord of Betwixt the Waters in Kirkcudbrightshire)

· The oldest charter of Lag, dating from 1351 which reads: “Gilbert, son of Duncan; Suggests with good reason, the probable age of Duncan to be, not more than 40 years of age in 1351, placing his birth at c. 1311. · The register of rentals of the Lord of Dalkeith records that in 1376 the lands of Laucht in the barony of Tybris were let to Gilbert Grierson, son of Duncan Grierson. Also, a seal (said to be Gilbert's) attached to a document dated 1418/19, bears a faint inscription thought to read "Gilbert Grierson, son of Duncan Grierson." · In a charter, John Durant grants lands to Gilbert (referred to as "my sisterson"), and in another, Gilbert is returning the favour to "his uncle". So, it implies that Duncan, father to Gilbert, must have been married to a sister of John Durant. Children of DUNCAN & ?? Durant i. Gilbert Grierson 1st of Ard, Born c. 1353, (More below); ii. Patrick Grierson b. aft 1353 Married Unk. Children of Patrick & ? a. Cuthbert Grierson b c 1373 · A manuscript survives that that lists the following witnesses: Vedast Grierson, Gilbert’s brother William Grierson, laird of Dalton, his nephew, Cuthbert son of Patrick Grierson and Walter son of William Grierson… Cuthbert [Am]uligane”, · In 1405 charter bears the names of seven witnesses: William, abbot of Holywood, Sir William Douglas of Drumlanrig, Sir Thomas Kirkpatrick of Closeburn, knights, Patrick Grierson, Cuthbert, his son, · In 1440 this Cuthbert would have been abt 67. b. Daughter ? married Cuthbert Amuligane Cuthbert Amuligane may have married an unnamed sister or daughter of Gilbert’s father, Gilbert Grierson 2. GILBERT GRIERSON the elder (b. 1353 –d. after 4/9/1425) married a sister to John McRath · Gilbert Grierson, 1st Lord of Ard & Lag, was christened in the year 1353, Dumfriesshire, and he died after April 9th 1425, Lag, Dumfriesshire, & was buried at Old Dunscore Church Cemetery in Dumfriesshire. · The first person named Grierson was Gilbert who became prominent in Nithsdale at the end of the 14th century. The register of rentals of the Lord of Dalkeith records that in 1376 the lands of Laucht in the barony of Tybris were let to Gilbert, son of Duncan. · Some report that Gilbert married Janet Glendenning, however. Gilbert is known to have married an unnamed sister of [John McRath] who was evidently taken prisoner by the English and as a result, obliged to wadset all his land and money paid by Gilbert Grierson appears to have been used to secure either John or Cuthbert McRath’s release from prison in England. · Before1400 [perhaps as early as 1370] Gilbert Grierson served George, 10th Earl of Dunbar as baillie in the barony of Tibbers. · Gilbert took the name "Grierson" in accordance with a charter granted before 1400, by George de Dunbar, Earl of March, conveying lands of Netherholm, and Dalgarnock t


Research NOTES

From Michael Grierson, Oct 24 2018
Gilbert Grierson was not the son of Malcolm Dominus Macgregor! The Lag Charters list him as the son of Duncan.
QUESTION What "Duncan" are you referring to? There are a lot of them in the internet. So guess I will assume his name is Duncan Grierson, no can not do that because even your history says Gilbert "took the name Grierson" Right?
Y-DNA shows there is no possible link to the MacGregors
See the FREE SPACE for new information to research [5]

attached is a document obtained from Alan Milligan author of Regarde Bien [6]. He has been researching the Grierson and Miliken names for many years as they are closely associated being members of the M222+ Y-DNA haplogroup. The MacGregors are in the M269 Haplogroup, a branch in the tree above M222. M222 was originally believed to be in excess of 2000 years old, but latest estimates suggest in excess of 4000 years. Thus, any common ancestor would have to be before the point of separation and long before either group set foot in the British Isles. Most of the Charters are to be found in the various Scottish museums, Glasgow and the Ewart Library

Unfortunately, the references you quote all originate from the same source and were never been substantiated in any way, they are based upon a totally incorrect assumption that the two names have the same meaning and origin. Naming paterns in the two families are totally different. Alan has done a lot of research regarding names however; I have a simpler view that they could have come from the occupation. Gilbert and his father Duncan were Bailees of Ard. The old English/Roman name for a Bailee was Gerefa, add soune and you are there. I have found it interesting that the list of names with whom I share common ancestors includes many of the names from the Lag Charters.

For DNA information you can examine the Grier/Greer/Grierson DNA Project [7] where J David Grierson is the Co-ordinator and Grierson DNA expert. For comparison you can find the MacGregor DNA Project at [8]. I had David to stay this summer and he is firmly convinced that I am a direct descendent of Gilbert 1353-1425. Gilbert's son acquired land at Dalton in the 1400s and my Great Grandfather was born there in 1837 as his father farmed the Dalton estate.

I descend from Gilbert Grierson and Agnes Mundell (1728) they farmed Bucklerhole, part of the Rockhall Estate. Gilbert's great great grandaughter Dr Cecilia Grierson claimed he was directly descended from Sir Robert Grierson of Lag 1655-1733. This is where I am stuck! My FTDNA Kit is 173150, I am believed to have the Lag DNA, but there is no definitive sample for comparison. best regards, Mike Grierson


One of the "Attachments"

"I agree with David's comment in articles, DYS 444= 13 is a key marker that distinguishes the Griersons and the Amuliganes. In the 111 marker tests, currently, we have six of which five are on the R-M222 Results page. In all six, DYS 533 has the allele value of 13 with the Grierson modal showing 12. To illustrate the point, I have attached a spreadsheet. I have highlighted the markers DYS 444 & 533.

The Milligan/Milliken Project now has enough tests to show we have two separate modals. Both modals share the allele value of 12 at DYS 444 with only one DNA test sharing the value of 13 at DYS 444. In the above spreadsheet, I have added the two Amuligane modals along with the Grierson modal supplied from David's spreadsheet.

The link between the Griersons and the Milligan/Millikens lies within the Amuligane modal-1 (Group) and not the modal-2. There is good reason to believe the Amuligane modal-2 is the genetic representative of McRath ap Molegan. I want to stress this point, as it helps explain some the quirks between the Griersons and the Milligan/Millikens. However, future research will clarify this.

Within the Milligan/Millikens 111 marker tests so far compared, my Milliken 23702 (which is in modal-2) is unlikely to share a common ancestor within the last 30 generations with three other Milligan 111 marker tests (modal-1). For example, the McGee Utility tool indicates my Milliken 23702 and Milligan 12068 (the nearest of the three) share a 98% probability that our MRCA was no longer than 40 generations ago or 1200 years ago. Sandy has estimated a TMRCA of 36.95 generations (95% frequency 29.0-47.3 generations), which computes at 30 years per generation to about 1100 years ago. In one of Bill's earlier Phylogenetic Tree, he has an RCC 32 between my 23702 and 12068 Milligan, which appears to suggest we share a common ancestor no longer than 1520 years ago. Bill you might to clarify this. Whatever way you look at, Modal-1 and Modal-2 share a TMCRA prior to 1000 AD.

Putting all this into some context, are all the Milligan/Millikens genetically descended from Molegan of Nithsdale? The short answer is No. This of course assumes modal-2 is the genetic link with Molegan. It is clear though, the Milligans in modal-1 are closer to the Griersons and arguably, the mutations at DYS 444 & 533 reveal a 'branch off' from an ancestor shared by the Griersons with the Milligans in Modal-1 sometime within the last 1000 years. In this email, I make two suggestions that when taken together may point towards a possible shared ancestry in the 1200s.

It is easier to trace the Milligans and MacRaths from the 1200s, as they appear in the Ragman Roll and other documents early as 1204-08. But not until 1376, do we find the first concrete evidence of a Grierson, when Gilbert son of Duncan's name appears in the Rental of Tibbers and Morton.

Rent Roll of 1376 In the rent roll, I would draw your attention to the name of Tawus MâcGillefe in Dabton near Thornhill. M'Gillefe is probably M'Gillies meaning son of the servant of Iosa (Jesus). Or it could be a mistake for M'Gillenef, as the name McCleisch, also meaning 'son of the servant Iosa, appears in the name of Michael M'Cleish a tenant in the Brewland cum le stallage near Penpont. The 'f' in M'Gillefe is 's'. Does anyone know what Tawus means? In this Rent Roll you will also find references to the Macraths (MacRaes).

EarlyDocuments 1147-1499

For those unfamiliar with some of the early Milligan and Macrath documents, they can be found in the above webpage. In this page you will find two men, Cuthbert Amuligane (1440) at No. 17 and Donald Mulikine (1440) at No. 18. Both these men appear to represent two descending branches of Amuliganes. Modal-2 almost certainly belongs to Cuthbert Amuligane, who appears to be related to the Griersons. However, Donald also provides another possible link with the Griersons. There is a Vedast Amuligane in Eccles near Penpont at No. 60. The name Vedast is associated with Vedast Grierson of Lag, grandson of Gilbert Grierson first of Ard. The connection between Vedast Amuligane may go back to Donald, who at No. 21, witnessed a charter of Vedast Grierson of Lag in 1457. However, DNA Studies suggest the link is much older and it may go back as far as the 1200s or 1300s.

In the early Grierson charters of the 15th and 16th centuries, the first element in Grierson is consistently spelt as Grere. Its style with the 'son' at the end is no different to many anglicised surnames found in the lowlands of Scotland, where the 'mac' becomes 'son' at the end of a name.

When I compare old native surnames in the southwest of Scotland, I also look for comparisons in the north of England, such as Cumbria, and the Isle of Man. The IOM was part of Scotland in the 13th century and in the centuries before this, the kings of Man and Galloway intermarried. Galloway and parts of Dumfriesshire had more in common with these areas than the north of Scotland, where as you know, some have attempted to tie the Griersons to the Clan MacGregor.

In IOM, the surname MacCrere or MacGreer offers an interesting comparison with Grierson. The name MacCrere appears in the manor rent of IOM, under Saurebrek parish, see below.

Santan - Manorial Roll, 1511

This family reputedly settled in IOM in the early 1300s. In relation to Grere, the progenitor of the Greresons, he would have lived in Nithsdale about the time it was under English control in the early 1300s. It has been suggested in the following webpage, Crere is possibly from the Manx Gaelic name Mac yn Fhrir meaning 'son of the prior'. I think this proposal is open to question.

The name Creer

The names Crere and Creer are variants of Crerar and are found in the old Gaelic name criathrar meaning the 'millar's sifter', translated 'sievewright'. Crear or Crerar was the name of sept of the MacIntoshes (please note I am not for the first moment suggesting a connection with the Highland Clan). The Gaelic MacCriathrar seems a more likely meaning for the anglicised MacCrere or Creer than 'son of the prior' and it would seem this name could also provide an alternative meaning to Grere and Greer in Galloway and Nithsdale, where Grere appears to have been a millar in the parish of Tynron.

A comparison with other surnames ending with 'son', such as the Rorisons, who also appear in the same document in which Maurice Make Salui appears, points to the adoption of this style probably in the times of Richard Siward, lord of the barony of Tibbers in Nithsdale in the 1290s.

The Barony of Tibbers There appears to have been two mills in the barony of Tibbers, one located at Ard and the other near Penpont held by the Macraths in 1376. If you take a look at the site above and scroll down to the Map, and look for Milnton near Ard, this is the Mill toun of Ard and Tynron. To the north of Tynron lies Auchengibbert, Gilbert's field. Gilbert is an anglicised form of Gille Brigdet. Gilbert is a name that runs in the Grierson family starting with Gilbert son of Duncan and it appears very early in Nithsdale. In the following webpage are listed a number of documents, which I am due to update. Scroll down to no. 50.

Early Nithsdale Documents 1200-1240

In the witness list to Affrica daughter of Edgar's charter is a man called Gillenbract son of Paderus. Gillenbract at first sight appears an odd name. In the local dialect it preserves a hint of Old Welsh and means Gille Brigde or Bridgit, shorten to Gilbert. For a comparison, open the following link and scroll down to no. 12 and locate the name 'Gilcudbricht Brecnach' in the second transcript, which is correct. The name is Gilcuthbert the Briton.

Early Nithsdale Document 1124-1195

There are two Paderus mentioned in charters No. 33, 34 & 50, Paderus MacGillenef and Paderus MacCuning. The name Paderus is Latin for Patrick. In No. 50, there is no indication to suggest Gilbert was the son Patrick MacCuning. His style is the same as Gilchrist son of Gilconnel (son of Edgar). In Nos. 33 & 34, in order of rank, Patrick MacGillenif follows Gilconnel, and the same order appears to be preserved in No. 50 with Patrick's son following Gilchrist, Gilconnel's son. If correct, Gilbert was the son of Patrick MacGillenef and if the case, the Milligan/Grierson DNA might well hold a clue to origins of several other surnames from Galloway and the southwest of Scotland.

Gilbert son of Patrick could well be the same man described as Edgar's nephew in charter no. 33. In this charter Gilbert is spelt as Gilbert, but his parentage isn't clarified. The best candidate is Gilbert son of Patrick. His place as witness in both Edgar and Affrica's charters strongly indicates Gilbert was a close relation or kinsman. If Edgar had a sister, it could be the connection is through marriage to Patrick MacGillenef which would make sense given Patrick also witnessed Edgar's charters.

It is unfortunate, there is a huge gap in the records after 1230 and like so many native families, when feudalism took a grip, men like Gilchrist son of Edgar and Gilbert son of Patrick found themselves without any royal charter to their land and tenants to some great Lord. Alexander II feudalised the lands of Strathnith and Glencairn and it is almost certain the barony of Tibbers was created for John Comyn, earl of Buchan. The barony of Morton, which joined Tibbers also seems to been granted the Earl Comyn.

I think it is unlikely we are going to find much more in the written record to show how the Griersons and Milligans (modal-1) could be related prior to 1400 and I doubt very much we will find a document that confirms my proposal, Grere could have been the millar of Ard and perhaps a natural descendant of Gilbert son of Patrick MacGillenef. Grere may have lived only a few generations from Gilbert son of Patrick. What is known, his grandson or great grandson, Gilbert son of Duncan was the baillie of Tibbers by 1400.

It seems almost impossible to image that Patrick and Malgon didn't know each other given both men witnessed Edgar's charters and both men moved in his accompany either as a tenant or relative with Patrick probably being a relation of Edgar. What I do find interesting is, the name MacGillenef appears in the lineage of the Clan Afren in 1296, and the MacGhies in Galloway are part of this lineage. Gilmichael or Michael McGhie (McKee) and Macrath ap Molegan both swore fealty together with John Murdoch to Edward I in 1296 and all three were probably personal friends.

I genuinely believe a corner has been turned in relation to the Milligan-Grierson DNA study and the success of this story is largely due to DNA research. "


The other document "Attached" is not in copy/paste mode. But I did save it to DOCUMENTS "Grierson Charters 1"





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IF Gilbert did in fact TAKE a new name, other than his biological FATHER'S NAME, If that name was NOT MacGREGOR what was it????????????????????????? not GRIERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no reason to assume that Gilbert took a new name, why would he? The Lag charters make reference to the Lands of Lag passing to the male descendants of Gilbert so long as they retain the name Grierson, this was a simple way to stop the land changing hands without the King knowing. This simple statement has been misconstrued to the concept that the name started with the 1407 charter, it did not. Prior to acquiring the Lands of Lag Gilbert was a hereditary Bailie in the Barony of Tybers, indicating at least his father was a Bailie there, further negating the MacGregor myth. A Bailie was also known as a Gerefa. Y-DNA analysis shows that the early Griersons were closely related to the Milikens and Milligans and no doubt had the same origin.

posted by Michael Grierson