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This page is to document findings related to Kate (Goldstone) George (abt.1870-1954)'s Brick Wall. It is a work in progress. g2g question


More work to be done for 64 Hoe Street. Hoe Street was both a street and a ward.

The house numbering/naming system in Hoe Street North changed between 1891 and 1893. In 1901 living at 56 Hoe Street North, there is a Henry Wreiden, Pewterer. In 1891, his address was recorded as 7 Garfield Terrace, Hoe Street North. His neighbour at number 8 Garfield Terrace was William Street, who in 1901 was living at 54 Hoe Street North. At 66 Hoe Street North in 1901 was Annie Gray; in 1891 she was living at 56 Milton Road. Her neighbours at 58 Milton Road in 1891 were the Luth family. These might be the people you are looking for. I will have another look in the morning, but in the meantime, here's the transcription;

Copy to clipboard First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Phillis Luth Head Widow Female 58 1833 Living on her means Ifield, Sussex, England Alice Luth Daughter Single Female 33 1858 Upholsteress Battersea, Surrey, England Francis A Luth Son Single Male 25 1866 Night watchman - Emily E Luth Daughter Single Female 23 1868 Confectioner assistant - Edith Harrison Daughter Married Female 27 1864 Dressmaker Battersea, Surrey, England Winifred Harrison Granddaughter - Female 3 1888 - Walthamstow, Essex, England



Kate (Goldstone) George (abt.1870-1954)

According to the 1939 England and Wales Register Kate was born on 11 Oct 1870.[1] However according to the birth certificate of her first child, Edith Kate, she was 18 in January 1898 placing her year of birth about 1880. It would seem unlikely to say you were 18 when you were 28. But it's possible to say you were 18 when you weren't quite that old yet. A year of birth around 1880-1882 is more likely than 1870. Charles (born 1849) would have been 49 when Edith Kate was born making Kate 30 years younger. It's possible Charles was not Edith's father. Kate making herself 10 years older than she really was, beginning in the 1901 Census, would make sense to disguise the age gap between the two.

Place of birth...These 3 places are not the same (ie. they are not the same having changed over time) however locals say they are interchangeable.

  • 1901 - Wapping, Middlesex
  • 1911 - London Whitechapel
  • 1921 - Stepney, London, England

Seeking further advice about DNA assumptions.

ChildSurnameBornMother's NameMother's OccupationFather's NameFather's OccupationAbode
Edith KateGoldstone13 January 1898Kate Goldstone 18, Charwoman-- 64 Hoe Street, Walthamstow
Baptism of Edith
William CharlesGeorge3 December 1899Kathleen George formerly Goldstein-Charles Hammond GeorgeGardener (not domestic)36 Rutland Road, East Ham
Baptism of WilliamGeorge3 December 1899, Upton Park, St Stephen EssexKatherine-Charles Hammond GeorgeFlorist36 Rutland Road
WalterGeorge21 October 1900Catherine George formerly Goldstein-Charles GeorgeGardener (not domestic)36 Rutland Road, East Ham
Baptism of WalterGeorge16 November 1900, Upton Park, St Stephen, EssexKatharine-Charles GeorgeGardener36 Rutland Road
HoraceGeorge30 January 1904Kate George formerly Goulston-Charles GeorgeGardener (Master)36 Rutland Road, Forest Gate, East Ham
Baptism of Horace
HerbertGeorge3 April 1907?Goldstone-???
Baptism of HerbertGeorge
ChristopherGeorge26 September 1909Kate George formerly Goldstone-Charles GeorgeGardener (not Domestic)100 Rutland Road, Forest Gate
Baptism of Christopher

1871 - probably not born yet

1881 - probably not born yet

1891 -

In the 1901 census Kate Goldsten (age 31), dressmaker, was the single visitor of Charles' household at 36, Rutland Road, East Ham, West Ham, London & Essex, England.[2]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
Charles George Head Married M 48 Gardener Stepney, Middlesex, England
Kate Goldsten Visitor Single F 31 Dressmaker Wapping, Middlesex, England
Edith Goldsten Visitor Single F 3 Walthamstow, Essex, England

In the 1911 census Catherine (age 39), House work charing, was a widowed wife at 50 Lancaster Road Forest Gate E, East Ham, London & Essex, England.[3]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
Catherine George Wife Widowed F 39 House work charing London Whitechapel
Edith Kate George Daughter F 13 School Walthamstow Essex
Horace George Son M 7 School East Ham Essex

In the 1921 census Catherine (age 49), House Work, was the widowed head of household at 106 Lancaster Road, East Ham, Essex & London, England.[4]

Name Relation Sex Status Age Birth Place Occupation Employer
Catherine George Head F Widowed 49 Stepney, London, England House Work Private
Edith Kate George Daughter F 23 Walthamstow, Essex, England Shop Assistant H Andrew
Horace George Son M 17 Forest Gate, Essex, England Ebonite Turner (Out Of Work) Oil & Domestic Stores Fitz Gibbon & Murray Ltd

In the 1939 England and Wales Register Catherine (age 68), Unpaid Domestic Duties, was the widowed head of household at 206 Shakespeare Cres, East Ham, Essex, England.[1]

Name Status Sex Birth Date Occupation
Catherine George Widowed F 11 Oct 1870 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Edith George Single F 13 Jan 1898 Shop Asst Domestic & P Stores
Horace George Single M 20 Jan 1904 Shop Asst Domestic & Hand Stone
Closed Record

Catherine George's death was registered on 7 December 1954 in the sub-district of East Ham North in the County Borough of East Ham. She died on 6 December 1954 at 206 Shakespeare Crescent, Manor Parks, East Ham. She was 83 years old and the Widow of "unknown" George whose occupation was also Unknown. The informant of her death was A. Buers (?) who probably lived at the same address - the death certificate image is inconclusive (this is being researched).


Charles Hammond George (1849-1910)

Charles's birth was registered in the Jan-Feb-Mar quarter of 1849 in the Stepney district.[5]

In the 1851 census Charles (age 2) was the son of George George on Totten Street, Stepney, London & Middlesex, England.[6]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
George George Head Married M 40 Officer of customs Northamptonshire, England
Mary Ann George Wife Married F 34 Brackley, Northamptonshire, England
William John H George Son Unmarried M 13 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
Gustavas G George Son Unmarried M 11 Scholar Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Ann Sophia George Daughter Unmarried F 10 Scholar Marylebone, Middlesex, England
George David George Son Unmarried M 6 Scholar Stepney, Middlesex, England
James Arthur George Son Unmarried M 4 Stepney, Middlesex, England
Charles Hammond Son Unmarried M 2 Stepney, Middlesex, England
Sarah Jane Hammond Daughter Unmarried F 0 Stepney, Middlesex, England
Thomas Guy Head Married M 36 Porter Kent, England
Frances Guy Wife Married F 36 Matfield, Kent, England
William John Guy Son Unmarried F 7 Scholar St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Frances Harriott Daughter Unmarried F 5 Scholar Stepney, Middlesex, England
Harriett Maynard Sister Unmarried F 34 Sempstress Kent, England

In the 1861 census Charles (age 12) was the son of George George in Limehouse, Middlesex, England.[7]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
George George Head M 50 Nth Stanpton, Somerset, England
Mary Ann George Wife F 40 Blackly Nth Stanpton
Ann Sophia George Wife 20 Marylebone, Middlesex, England
George David George Son M 16 Stepney, Middlesex, England
James Arthur George Son M 14 Stepney, Middlesex, England
Charles Stanwood George Son M 12 Stepney, Middlesex, England
Mary Sarah Sara George Daughter F 9 Stepney, Middlesex, England
Berther Alice George Daughter F 6 Stepney, Middlesex, England
Alma Stiar George Daughter F 4 Limehouse, Middlesex, England
Eliza Amelia George Daughter F 1 Limehouse, Middlesex, England

1871?

Charles, son of George George, married Alice Mary Brown on 2 July 1877 in St Stephen, Tredegar Road, Tower Hamlets, England. Charles was of full age and a Railway Porter, living in Bow, as his new wife Alice Mary, a minor and a spinster, was. George George was in the Civil Service and Alice's father, Francis Brown was a Carpenter. Both Charles and Alice signed their own names.[8] Their marriage was registered in the Jul-Aug-Sep quarter of 1877 in the Poplar district.[9]

In the 1881 census Charles (age 31), Railway porter, was the married head of household at 46, Stafford Road, Bow Aka St Mary Stratford-Le-Bow, Poplar, London & Middlesex, England.[10]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
Charles H George Head Married M 31 Railway porter Stepney, Middlesex, England
Alice M George Wife Married F 23 Stepney, Middlesex, England
Florence L George Daughter Unmarried F 1 Middlesex, England
Emily B George Daughter Unmarried F 0 Middlesex, England

In the 1891 census Charles (age 42), Railway porter, was the married head of household on Ruston Street, Bow or Stratford Le Bow, Poplar, London & Middlesex, England.[11]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
Charles H George Head Married M 42 Railway porter London, Middlesex, England
Alice M George Wife Married F 33 Stepney, Middlesex, England
Florence L George Daughter F 11 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Emily B George Daughter F 10 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Fred C George Son M 8 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Francis W George Son M 6 Scholar London, Middlesex, England

In the 1901 census Charles (age 48), Gardener, was the married head of household at 36, Rutland Road, East Ham, West Ham, London & Essex, England.[12]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
Charles George Head Married M 48 Gardener Stepney, Middlesex, England
Kate Goldsten Visitor Single F 31 Dressmaker Wapping, Middlesex, England
Edith Goldsten Visitor Single F 3 Walthamstow, Essex, England

The following was recorded about Charles' death:[13]

GARDENER'S SUDDEN DEATH
On Thursday morning the Coroner held
an inquest at St. John's Schools touching
the death of Charles Hammond George, aged
57, a gardener, late of 100, Rutland-road,
East Ham.
Katherine Goldstone, who lives at the
same address, said the deceased had not been
very well lately, and had been rather wor-
ried because he had got behind with his rent.
As he was owed some money by a person at
Homerton he decided to go there on Sunday
to see if he could get it. He left home about
9 o'clock, and was brought home at midday
in a dazed condition. He was put to bed,
and although the doctor was called, he died
at 8.30 on Monday, morning.
Dr. Blake said that when he examined the
deceased on Sunday he found that the man
was paralysed on the left side, and died the
following day from cerebral haemorrhage.
A verdict to this effect was returned.

Charles died, aged 60, and was buried on 8 April 1910 in East Ham, St Mary Magdalene, Essex, England.[14]

To look into

Kate's birth was registered in the Apr-May-Jun quarter of 1870 in the London City district. Mother's maiden name Harris. [15]

Kate's birth was registered in the Jan-Feb-Mar quarter of 1874 in the Whitechapel district. Mother's maiden name Lyons.[16]

  • Joseph's marriage to Rachel Lyons? was registered in the Apr-May-Jun quarter of 1868 in the London City district.[17]
  • Marks's marriage to Harriet Lyons? was registered in the Jan-Feb-Mar quarter of 1870 in the London City district.[18]

Kate's birth was registered in the Jan-Feb-Mar quarter of 1875 in the Whitechapel district. Mother's maiden name Levy.[19]

  • Israel's marriage to Sarah Levy? was registered in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter of 1850 in the St. Luke district.[20]

Katie's birth was registered in the Jan-Feb-Mar quarter of 1876 in the Whitechapel district. Mother's maiden name Lyons.[21]

Kate's birth was registered in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter of 1876 in the Whitechapel district. Mother's maiden name Cohen.[22]

Kate's birth was registered in the Jul-Aug-Sep quarter of 1878 in the Whitechapel district. Mother's maiden name Cohen.[23]

Katie's birth was registered in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter of 1884 in the Whitechapel district. Mother's maiden name Levy.[24]

(Probably too young) Kate's birth was registered in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter of 1885 in the Whitechapel district. Mother's maiden name Iscovitch.[25]

(Probably too young) Kate's birth was registered in the Jul-Aug-Sep quarter of 1885 in the Mile End Old Town district. Mother's maiden name Jones.[26]

Have not been ruled out

niece of Martha Balls Gouldstone, Martha was living at 49 Hoe Street (see hand written notes on side margin of Census in Ancestry) in the 1891 Census and was a Ladies Nurse. She had a son born in June 1870, so if Kate's birthday of Oct 11, 1870 is correct, Martha could not be her mother. The birth name they gave to their son born in June 1870 was "One Too Many" Gouldstone (appears in later census's as Robert William), so if Kate was born in 1869 and they got creative with her birth name, it might be hard to find. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L1Y6-K9J

  • Martha and David lived at 49 Lennox Street in the Hoe Street Ward; not Hoe Street itself. Living a few doors away was the Burle family.

Daughter of Simon and Charlotte Leah; their son did live on Hoe Street, Kate lived on Hoe Street when her first child was born; cannot find her after 1890 census https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LB7N-7L8?1=1&parents=LB7N-H1F_LB7N-QVG

  • If this was her, she would have died at 88. Not impossible, but probably unlikely.
  • though one of their son's had a Kate who could fit - need to find it again!!!

Daughter of Solomon and Rachael, born 1874; cannot find this family after 1881 Census. however birth year not encouraging. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LB7R-NK7?1=1&parents=LB7R-JGG_LB7R-NKL

  • Spitalfields probably too far away from Wapping/Whitechapel where we have her on Census??

Edith?

Edith's birth was registered in the Apr-May-Jun quarter of 1875 in the Poplar district. Mother's maiden name Mills.[27]

Edith's birth was registered in the Jan-Feb-Mar quarter of 1880 in the Pancras district. Mother's maiden name Cotton.[28]

Charnley

Previously ruled out: Catherine's birth was registered in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter of 1867 in the Bethnal Green district. Mother's maiden name Charnley.[29] Simon Goldstone and Mary Jane Charnley

Catherine, daughter of Simon Goldstone & Mary Jane Chomley (Charnley), was born in 1867 and baptised in 1867 on Marylebone Road, Our Lady of the Rosary, Middlesex, England. England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms.[30]

Catherina, daughter of Simon Goldstone & Maria Anna Charnley, was born on 28 November 1867 and baptised on 20 December 1867 in Moorfields, St Mary Moorfields, Middlesex, England. England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms.[31]

Edith's birth was registered in the Apr-May-Jun quarter of 1871 in the Bethnal Green district. Mother's maiden name Charnley.[32]

Simon Goldstone's marriage to Mary Jane Charnley was registered in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter of 1864 in the Birmingham district. [33]

In the 1871 census Simon (age 35) was the head of household on Antell Road, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England.[34]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
Simon Goldstone Head M 35 Germany
Mary Jane Goldstone Wife F 29 Lancashire, England
Alexander Goldstone Son M 5 Warwickshire, England
Catherine Goldstone Daughter F 3 Middlesex, England
Bertha Goldstone Daughter F 1 Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Paul Servant F 21 Hertfordshire, England

In the 1881 census Simon (age 45), Tailor & outfitter, was the married head of household at 29, Wellington Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, England.[35]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
Simon Goldstone Head Married M 45 Tailor & outfitter Germany
Mary J Goldstone Wife Married F 39 Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Alexander Goldstone Son Unmarried M 15 Timber merchants clerk Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Kate Goldstone Daughter Unmarried F 13 Pupil teacher London, Middlesex, England
Bertha Goldstone Daughter Unmarried F 11 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Edith J Goldstone Daughter Unmarried F 9 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Lilian Goldstone Daughter Unmarried F 7 Scholar Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Albert E Goldstone Son Unmarried M 5 Scholar Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Annie Cave Servant Unmarried F 19 General servant domestic Warwickshire, England

In the 1891 census Simon (age 55), Commercial traveller, was the married head of household on Holland Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, England.[36]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
Simon Goldstone Head Married M 55 Commercial traveller Prussia, Marienburg, Naturalised Brit Subject
Mary Jane Goldstone Wife Married F 49 Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Alexander Goldstone Son Single M 25 Clothiers assistant Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Kate Goldstone Daughter Single F 23 School mistress London, Middlesex, England
Bertha Goldstone Daughter Single F 21 Fancy artists assistant London, Middlesex, England
Edith J Goldstone Daughter Single F 19 School teacher elementary London, Middlesex, England
Lilian Goldstone Daughter Single F 17 Telephone operator Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Albert Ed Goldstone Son Single M 15 Railway clerk Blackburn, Lancashire, England

In the 1901 census Simon (age 65), Assurance agent, was the married head of household at 17, Holland Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, England.[37]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
Simon Goldstone Head Married M 65 Assurance agent Germany, Naturalised
Mary J Goldstone Wife Married F 59 Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Kate Goldstone Daughter Single F 32 Schoolmistress London, Middlesex, England
Bertha Goldstone Daughter Single F 30 Drapers saleswoman London, Middlesex, England
Edith Jane Goldstone Daughter Single F 28 London, Middlesex, England
Lillian Goldstone Daughter Single F 26 Telephone operator Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Albert Edward Goldstone Son Single M 24 Railway clerk Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Henry W Spencer Boarder Single M 28 Mechanical engineer Preston, Lancashire, England

In the 1911 census Simon (age 75), Assurance agent, was the married head of household at 12 Palmer St Blackburn, Blackburn, Lancashire, England.[38]

Name Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Birth Place
Simon Goldstone Head Married M 75 Assurance agent Mareindburg Prussia Germany Resident
Mary Jane Goldstone Wife Married F 69 Fleetwood Lancs
Alexander Goldstone Son Widowed M 45 Assurance agent Birmingham Warwick
Kate Goldstone Daughter Single F 43 Head mistress infant school London
Bertha Goldstone Daughter Single F 41 Assistant mantel department London

Need to add the final citation which rules Kate & Edith out :)


Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1939 Register: "1939 England and Wales Register"
    The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1939 Register; Reference: Rg 101/1001b; Line Number: 43; Schedule Number: 62; Sub Schedule Number: 1
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 61596 #11826871 (accessed 27 December 2022)
    Name: Catherine George; Gender: Female; Marital Status: Widow; Birth Date: 11 Oct 1870; Residence Date: 1939; Address: 206 Shakespeare Cres; Residence Place: East Ham, Essex, England; Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties; Enumeration District: Caby; Borough: East Ham; Registration district: 188a-1;.
  2. 1901 Census: "1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census"
    Reference: RG13; Piece number: 1598; Folio: 12; Page: 16; Schedule: 100
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    First name(s): Charles; Last name: George; Relationship: Head; Marital status: Married; Sex: Male; Age: 48; Birth year: 1853; Birth town: Stepney; Birth town as transcribed: STEPNEY; Birth place: England; Birth county: Middlesex; Birth county as transcribed: LONDON; Occupation: Gardener; Full address: 36, Rutland Road, East Ham, West Ham, London & Essex, England; House number: 36; Street: Rutland Road; Town: East Ham; Parish: East Ham; County: London, Essex; Country: England; Registration district: West Ham; Sub-district: East Ham; Enumeration district: 20; Parliamentary borough or division: Southern or Romford; Municipal borough or ward: Plashet; Ecclesiastical parish or district: St Stephens Upton Park; Other household member first name(s): Edith, Kate; Other household member last name: Goldsten.
  3. "1911 Census For England & Wales," database with images, FindMyPast Image - (FindMyPast Transcription : subscription required, accessed 26 December 2022), Sub-district North East Ham, Country England, Parish East Ham, Address 50 Lancaster Road Forest Gate E, Enumeration district number 17, Birth year 1872, Other household member first name(s) Edith, Horace, Relationship to head Wife, Sex Female, Census reference RG14PN9573 RG78PN510A RD188 SD6 ED17 SN34, First name(s) Catherine, Full address 50 Lancaster Road Forest Gate E, East Ham, London & Essex, England, Birth place London Whitechapel, Last name George, House number 50, Marital status Widow, Registration district number 188, Occupation House work charing, Registration district West Ham, RG 78 piece number 510, Birth place as transcribed London Whitechapel, Sub-district number 6, Age 39, Other household member last name George, Age as transcribed 39, County London, Essex, Street Lancaster Road; citing Series RG14, Piece number 9573, Schedule 34.
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    First name(s): Catherine; Last name: George; Sex: Female; Birth year: 1871; Census date: 19 June 1921; Age in years: 49; Age in months: 8; Age as transcribed: 49 y 8 m; Relationship to head: Head; Marital status: Widowed; Birth place: Stepney, London, England; Birth county: London; Birth country: England; Transcribed birth place: Stepney, London; Occupation: House Work; Employer: Private; Number of minor dependants: 2; Language used to complete form: English; Person making return: Mrs George; House number: 106; Street: Lancaster Road; Address: 106 Lancaster Road; Full address as transcribed: 106 Lancaster Rd, East Ham; Parish: East Ham; Registration district: West Ham; Registration district number: 188; Sub-district: North East Ham; Sub-district number: 7; Enumeration district number: 17; County: Essex, London; Country: England; Ward of borough or urban district: Plashet, Kensington; Borough, urban or rural district: East Ham CB; Parliamentary borough or division: East Ham PB, North Div.; Other household member's first name(s): Edith Kate, Horace; Other household member's last name: George.
  5. "England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," database, (FamilySearch Record: 2NW1-QFG : accessed 25 December 2022), Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar, Name Charles Hammond George, Birth Registration Place Stepney, London, England, Birth Registration Date 1849, Registration Date 1849; citing UK General Register Office. District: Stepney; Volume: 2; Page: 569;.
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    Class: Rg 9; Piece: 287; Folio: 18; Page: 2; GSU roll: 542607; ED, institution, or vessel: 9; Household schedule number: 8
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    Name: Charles Stanwood George [Charles Hammond]; Gender: Male; Age: 12; Relation: Son; Estimated Birth Year: 1849; Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England; Civil parish: Limehouse; Ecclesiastical parish: St John; County/Island: Middlesex; Country: England; Registration district: Stepney; Sub-registration district: Limehouse;.
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    Name: Charles Hammond George; Gender: Male; Record Type: Marriage; Marriage Date: 2 Jul 1877; Marriage Place: St Stephen, Tredegar Road, Tower Hamlets, England; Father: George George; Spouse: Alice Mary Brown.
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    Name: Charles H George; Gender: Male; Age: 42; Relationship: Head; Birth Year: 1849; Spouse: Alice M George; Child: Florence L George Emily B George Fred C George Francis W George; Birth Place: Stepney, London, England; Civil parish: Stratford Le Bow St Mary; Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks; Residence Place: Stratford Le Bow St Mary, London, England; Registration district: Poplar; Sub registration district: Bow; ED, Institution or Vessel: 22;.
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    First name(s): Charles; Last name: George; Relationship: Head; Marital status: Married; Sex: Male; Age: 48; Birth year: 1853; Birth town: Stepney; Birth town as transcribed: STEPNEY; Birth place: England; Birth county: Middlesex; Birth county as transcribed: LONDON; Occupation: Gardener; Full address: 36, Rutland Road, East Ham, West Ham, London & Essex, England; House number: 36; Street: Rutland Road; Town: East Ham; Parish: East Ham; County: London, Essex; Country: England; Registration district: West Ham; Sub-district: East Ham; Enumeration district: 20; Parliamentary borough or division: Southern or Romford; Municipal borough or ward: Plashet; Ecclesiastical parish or district: St Stephens Upton Park; Other household member first name(s): Edith, Kate; Other household member last name: Goldsten.
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    First name(s): Kate; Last name: Goldstein; Birth quarter: 2; Birth year: 1870; Mother's maiden name: Harris; District: London City; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
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    First name(s): Kate; Last name: Goldstein; Birth quarter: 1; Birth year: 1874; Mother's maiden name: Lyons; District: Whitechapel; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
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    First name(s): Joseph; Last name: Goldstein; Marriage quarter: 2; Marriage year: 1868; MarriageFinder™: Joseph Goldstein married one of these peopleSarah Mosser, Rachel Lyons, Louis Vogel; District: London City; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C; Volume as transcribed: 1C.
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    First name(s): Marks; Last name: Goldstein; Marriage quarter: 1; Marriage year: 1870; MarriageFinder™: Marks Goldstein married one of these peopleSophia Jacobs, Harriet Lyons; District: London City; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C; Volume as transcribed: 1C.
  19. Birth Registration: "England & Wales Births 1837-2006"
    Volume: 1C; Page: 343
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    First name(s): Kate; Last name: Goldstein; Birth quarter: 1; Birth year: 1875; Mother's maiden name: Levy; District: Whitechapel; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
  20. Marriage Registration: "England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005"
    Volume: 2; Page: 354
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    First name(s): Israel; Last name: Goldstein; Marriage quarter: 4; Marriage year: 1850; MarriageFinder™: Israel Goldstein married one of these peopleSarah Levy, Jane Harris, Yetta Adler, Esther Goodman; District: St. Luke; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 2; Volume as transcribed: 2.
  21. Birth Registration: "England & Wales Births 1837-2006"
    Volume: 1C; Page: 396
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    First name(s): Katie; Last name: Goldstein; Birth quarter: 1; Birth year: 1876; Mother's maiden name: Lyons; District: Whitechapel; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
  22. Birth Registration: "England & Wales Births 1837-2006"
    Volume: 1C; Page: 363
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    First name(s): Kate; Last name: Goldstein; Birth quarter: 4; Birth year: 1876; Mother's maiden name: Cohen; District: Whitechapel; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
  23. Birth Registration: "England & Wales Births 1837-2006"
    Volume: 1C; Page: 364
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    First name(s): Kate; Last name: Goldstein; Birth quarter: 3; Birth year: 1878; Mother's maiden name: Cohen; District: Whitechapel; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
  24. Birth Registration: "England & Wales Births 1837-2006"
    Volume: 1C; Page: 309
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    First name(s): Katie; Last name: Goldstein; Birth quarter: 4; Birth year: 1884; Mother's maiden name: Levy; District: Whitechapel; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
  25. Birth Registration: "England & Wales Births 1837-2006"
    Volume: 1C; Page: 305
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    First name(s): Kate; Last name: Goldstein; Birth quarter: 4; Birth year: 1885; Mother's maiden name: Iscovitch; District: Whitechapel; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
  26. Birth Registration: "England & Wales Births 1837-2006"
    Volume: 1C; Page: 530
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    First name(s): Kate Adelaide; Last name: Goldstein; Birth quarter: 3; Birth year: 1885; Mother's maiden name: Jones; District: Mile End Old Town; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
  27. Birth Registration: "England & Wales Births 1837-2006"
    Volume: 1C; Page: 646
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    First name(s): Edith; Last name: Goldstone; Birth quarter: 2; Birth year: 1875; Mother's maiden name: Mills; District: Poplar; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
  28. Birth Registration: "England & Wales Births 1837-2006"
    Volume: 1B; Page: 38
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    First name(s): Edith; Last name: Goldstone; Birth quarter: 1; Birth year: 1880; Mother's maiden name: Cotton; District: Pancras; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1B.
  29. Birth Registration: "England & Wales Births 1837-2006"
    Volume: 1C; Page: 283
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    First name(s): Catherine; Last name: Goldstone; Birth quarter: 4; Birth year: 1867; Mother's maiden name: Charnley; District: Bethnal Green; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
  30. Baptism: "England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms"
    Archive: Westminster Archdiocesan Archives; Page: 76
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    First name(s): Catherine; Last name: Goldstone; Birth date: ? Nov 1867; Baptism date: ? Dec 1867; Church: Our Lady of the Rosary; Parish: Marylebone Road, Our Lady of the Rosary; Deanery: Marylebone; Diocese: Westminster; Ecclesiastical province: Westminster; Father's first name(s): Simon; Father's last name: Goldstone; Mother's first name(s): Mary Jane; Mother's last name: Chomley; County: Middlesex; Country: England; Document type: Baptism index; Records year range: 1864-1871.
  31. Baptism: "England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms"
    Archive: Westminster Archdiocesan Archives
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    First name(s): Catherina; Last name: Goldstone; Birth date: 28 Nov 1867; Baptism date: 20 Dec 1867; Church: St Mary; Parish: Moorfields, St Mary Moorfields; Deanery: Westminster; Diocese: Westminster; Ecclesiastical province: Westminster; Father's first name(s): Simon; Father's last name: Goldstone; Mother's first name(s): Maria Anna; Mother's last name: Charnley; County: Middlesex; Country: England; Register type: Baptisms; Records year range: 1864-1871.
  32. Birth Registration: "England & Wales Births 1837-2006"
    Volume: 1C; Page: 237
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    First name(s): Edith Jane; Last name: Goldstone; Birth quarter: 2; Birth year: 1871; Mother's maiden name: Charnley; District: Bethnal Green; County: London; Country: England; Volume: 1C.
  33. Marriage Registration: "England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005"
    Volume: 6D; Page: 335
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    First name(s): Simon; Last name: Goldstone; Marriage quarter: 4; Marriage year: 1864; MarriageFinder™: Simon Goldstone married one of these peopleMary Jane Charnley, Eliza Donnelley; District: Birmingham; County: Warwickshire; Country: England; Volume: 6D; Volume as transcribed: 6D.
  34. 1871 Census: "1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census"
    Reference: RG10; Piece number: 484; Folio: 32; Page: 58; Schedule: 286
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    First name(s): Simon; Last name: Goldstone; Relationship: Head; Sex: Male; Age: 35; Birth year: 1836; Birth county as transcribed: GERMANY; Birth place: Germany; Full address: Antell Road, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England; Street: Antell Road; Parish: Bethnal Green; County: London, Middlesex; Country: England; Registration district: Bethnal Green; Sub district: Green; Enumeration district: 7; Parliamentary borough or division: Hackney; Municipal borough or ward: East.
  35. 1881 Census: "1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census"
    Reference: RG11; Piece number: 4199; Folio: 9; Page: 12; Schedule: 56
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    First name(s): Simon; Last name: Goldstone; Relationship: Head; Marital status: Married; Sex: Male; Age: 45; Age as transcribed: 45; Birth year: 1836; Birth county as transcribed: NATURALIZED BRITISH SUBJECT; Birth place: Germany; Birth place other as transcribed: GERMANY; Occupation: Tailor & outfitter; Full address: 29, Wellington Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, England; House number: 29; Street: Wellington Street; Parish: Blackburn; County: Lancashire; Country: England; Registration district: Blackburn; Sub district: Blackburn.
  36. 1891 Census: "1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census"
    Reference: RG12; Piece number: 3402; Folio: 14; Page: 21; Schedule: 128
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    First name(s): Simon; Last name: Goldstone; Relationship: Head; Marital status: Married; Sex: Male; Age: 55; Birth year: 1836; Birth place other as transcribed: PRUSSIA MARCENBURY NATRUALISED BRITISH SUBJECT; Occupation: Commercial traveller; Full address: Holland Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, England; Street: Holland Street; Town: Blackburn; Parish: Blackburn; City: Blackburn; County: Lancashire; Country: England; Registration district: Blackburn; Sub district: Blackburn Northern; Enumeration district: 49; Parliamentary borough or division: Blackburn; Municipal borough or ward: St Johns; Ecclesiastical parish or district: St Pauls.
  37. 1901 Census: "1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census"
    Reference: RG13; Piece number: 3904; Folio: 16; Page: 24; Schedule: 150
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    First name(s): Simon; Last name: Goldstone; Relationship: Head; Marital status: Married; Sex: Male; Age: 65; Birth year: 1836; Birth place other as transcribed: GERMANY (NATURALISED) BR SUBJECT; Occupation: Assurance agent; Full address: 17, Holland Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, England; House number: 17; Street: Holland Street; Parish: Blackburn; County: Lancashire; Country: England; Registration district: Blackburn; Sub-district: Blackburn Northern; Enumeration district: 1; Parliamentary borough or division: Blackburn Darwen; Municipal borough or ward: St Silas; Ecclesiastical parish or district: Blackburn St Paul's; Other household member first name(s): Albert, Bertha, Edith, Henry, Kate, Lillian, Mary; Other household member last name: Goldstone, Spencer.
  38. 1911 Census: "1911 Census For England & Wales"
    Series: RG14; Piece number: 25031; Schedule: 218
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    First name(s): Simon; Last name: Goldstone; Sex: Male; Birth year: 1836; Age: 75; Age as transcribed: 75; Relationship to head: Head; Marital status: Married; Marriage year: 1865; Years married: 46; Occupation: Assurance agent; Birth place: Mareindburg Prussia Germany Resident; Birth place as transcribed: Mareindburg Prussia Germany Resident; Full address: 12 Palmer St Blackburn, Blackburn, Lancashire, England; Address: 12 Palmer St Blackburn; House number: 12; Street: Palmer Street; Parish: Blackburn; County: Lancashire; Country: England; Registration district: Blackburn; Registration district number: 474; Sub-district: Blackburn Northern; Sub-district number: 4; Enumeration district number: 5; Census reference: RG14PN25031 RG78PN1435 RD474 SD4 ED5 SN218; RG 78 piece number: 1435; Other household member first name(s): Alexander, Bertha, Kate, Mary; Other household member last name: Goldstone.




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letter from orphanage has been transcribed here Letter from Barnardo's Christopher Goldstone
posted by S Stevenson
Please review Edith Kate's birth certificate. Did I read Hoe street correctly? Am I misleading you with a bad interpretation? Is the 18 under her name an age or initials on a correction?
posted by S Stevenson
No, no misleading :) You are right about 18 and Hoe Street for Kate.

Hoe street for Martha is the one I've been trying to figure out.

posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
added Horace George's death certificate to his profile, still looking for Herbert's birth certificate (I know I have it). add language to one of the "have not ruled out" Kate's - technically she has been ruled out as she is Jewish and my Kate is not Jewish (unless my Mom and I got no Jewish DNA which I have been told is very unlikely).
posted by S Stevenson
have added images of actual documents on profiles.
posted by S Stevenson
Thanks S - that is hugely helpful. If you'd like me to add you as PM for this page, please send me your email via a private message. Fingers crossed we get this solved for Kate and you! Cheers, SusieO ~ one of Santa's Elves.
posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
As my mother and I do not have Jewish DNA, we are pretty sure Kate was not Jewish.
posted by S Stevenson
I've asked in our English Project DNA channel about the DNA assumption....just thought I'd double check as we have some very clever DNA peeps in the team. I have no clue about DNA :)
posted by Susie (Potter) Officer