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Contents 1 My Sandbox 1.1 Citations from Citation Apps 1.2 Sample DNA CONFIRMATION CITATIONS created with DNA Confirmation Citation Maker app. 1.2.1 SIMPLE Confirmation 1.2.2 TRIANGULATED Confirmation 1.2.3 Y-DNA Confirmation 1.2.4 mtDNA Confirmation 1.2.5 X-Chromosome Confirmation 1.3 DNA app WARNING screens 1.3.1 TRIANGULATION warning if the 3 legged stool is not solid enough. 1.3.2 Y-DNA warning if Genetic Distance too great 1.3.3 mtDNA warnings about non-perfect matches 1.4 Sample BARE BONES CITATIONS created with Ancestry Citation Maker app. 1.5 Sources

My Sandbox

Citations from Citation Apps

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Louis Baron married Philomène Durocher on 25 Apr 1864 in St-Eugène. ^[1]

Sample DNA CONFIRMATION CITATIONS created with DNA Confirmation Citation Maker app.

Test citation 0^[2]

Test citation ^[3]

SIMPLE Confirmation

Simple Confirmation of MRCA

• Paternal relationship is confirmed by an autosomal 23andMe test match between Gregory Clarke and GisèleD, his 2nd cousin 1x removed. Their most-recent common ancestors are Joseph Désiré Labonté and Marie Joséphine Dumont, the great great grandparents of Gregory Clarke and great grandparents of GisèleD. Predicted relationship from 23andMe: 2nd cousin - 3rd cousin, based on sharing 117 cM (1.57% DNA shared) across 5 segments.

SIMPLE Confirmation of Ancestor in between DNA Test Taker and MRCA: (on profile page of Pauline, confirming her father Joseph Héli)

• Paternal relationship is confirmed by an autosomal 23andMe test match between Gregory Clarke and Germain Labonté, his 1st cousin 2x removed. Their most-recent common ancestors are Joseph Désiré Labonté and Marie Joséphine Dumont, the great great grandparents of Gregory Clarke and grandparents of Germain Labonté. Predicted relationship from 23andMe: second or third cousin, based on sharing 117 cM (1.57% DNA shared) across 5 segments. DNA test taker Gregory Clarke is the son of Pauline Marcoux, the daughter of Joseph Héli Marcoux, the grandson of the common ancestors Joseph Désiré Labonté & Marie Joséphine Dumont.

TRIANGULATED Confirmation

of Ancestral Couple:

• Paternal relationship is confident based on a triangulated group on GEDmatch who share a 23 cM segment on chromosome 7, consisting of Gregory Clarke and Claude Loranger, his 2nd cousin 1x removed, and Germain Labonté, his 1st cousin 2x removed. (Claude and Germain are 1st cousins 1x removed). Their most-recent common ancestors are Joseph Désiré Labonté and Marie Joséphine Dumont, the 2x great grandparents of Gregory Clarke and great grandparents of Claude Loranger and grandparents of Germain Labonté.

of Single Direct Ancestor:

• Maternal relationship is confirmed by a triangulated group on GEDmatch who share a 23 cM segment on chromosome 7, consisting of Claude Loranger and Gregory Clarke, his 2nd cousin 1x removed, and Germain Labonté, his 1st cousin 1x removed. (Gregory and Germain are 1st cousins 2x removed). Their most-recent common ancestors are Joseph Désiré Labonté and Marie Joséphine Dumont, the great grandparents of Claude Loranger and 2x great grandparents of Gregory Clarke and grandparents of Germain Labonté.

Y-DNA Confirmation

• Paternal relationship is confirmed through Y-chromosome DNA test results on Family Tree DNA. Gregory Clarke, FTDNA kit # IN45890, and his 3rd cousin, FredD, FTDNA kit # IN78532, match at a Genetic Distance of 4 on 111 markers, thereby confirming their direct paternal lines back to their most-recent common ancestor who is William Douglass, the 2x great grandfather of both Gregory Clarke and FredD.

mtDNA Confirmation

• Maternal relationship is confirmed through Mitochondrial DNA test results on mitoYDNA.org. Gregory Clarke, mitoYDNA kit # T12923, and his 11th cousin 1x removed, Francine, mitoYDNA kit # T3.1415926, have an exact HVR1 and HVR2 match, thereby confirming their direct maternal lines back to their most-recent common ancestor who is Jeanne-Genevieve Cerisier, the 10x great grandmother of Gregory Clarke and 11x great grandmother of Francine.

• Maternal relationship is confirmed through Mitochondrial DNA test results on Family Tree DNA. Gregory Clarke and his 7th cousin 4x removed, Adélard Cloutier, have an HVR1 and HVR2 match with minor mismatches, thereby confirming their direct maternal lines back to their most-recent common ancestor who is Jeanne-Genevieve Cerisier, the 10x great grandmother of Gregory Clarke and 6x great grandmother of Adélard Cloutier.

X-Chromosome Confirmation

... of ancestral couple:

• Paternal relationship is confident based on a triangulated group on GEDmatch who share a 30 cM segment on the X chromosome, consisting of Gregory Clarke and Dave Poirier, his 5th cousin 1x removed, and Mary Ames, his 4th cousin 1x removed. (Dave and Mary are 4th cousins 2x removed). Their most-recent common ancestors are Raphaël Veillet and Marie Aiot, the 4x great grandparents of Gregory Clarke and 5x great grandparents of Dave Poirier and 3x great grandparents of Mary Ames.

and then single ancestor below ancestral couple:

• Maternal relationship is confirmed by a triangulated group on GEDmatch who share a 30 cM segment on the X chromosome, consisting of Gregory Clarke and Dave Poirier, his 5th cousin 1x removed, and Mary Ames, his 4th cousin 1x removed. (Dave and Mary are 4th cousins 2x removed). Their most-recent common ancestors are Raphaël Veillet and Marie Aiot, the 4x great grandparents of Gregory Clarke and 5x great grandparents of Dave Poirier and 3x great grandparents of Mary Ames.

X Chromosome Confirmation via triangulation: on GEDmatch (or 23andMe) which triangulates

• Maternal relationship is confirmed by a triangulated group on GEDmatch who share a 30 cM segment on the X chromosome, consisting of Gregory Clarke, GEDmatch kit # HTC239523, and Mary Ames, his 4th cousin 1x removed, GEDmatch kit # A26936b, and Alvina Veillette, his 3rd cousin 3x removed, GEDmatch kit # AV43023. (Mary and Alvina are 3rd cousins 2x removed.) Their most-recent common ancestor is Françoise Baril, the 5x great grandmother of Gregory Clarke and 4x great grandmother of Mary Ames and 2x great grandmother of Alvina Veillette.

X Chromosome Confirmation via triangulation: on Family Tree DNA (or MyHeritage) - which does not triangulate, and thus needs independent verification

• Maternal relationship is confirmed by a triangulated group on Family Tree DNA who share a 30 cM segment on the X chromosome, consisting of Gregory Clarke and Mary Ames, his 4th cousin 1x removed, and Alvina Veillette, his 3rd cousin 3x removed. (Mary and Alvina are 3rd cousins 2x removed.) These matches have been independently verified by Gregory Clarke and Mary Ames via the Family Finder Chromosome Browser. Their most-recent common ancestor is Françoise Baril, the 5x great grandmother of Gregory Clarke and 4x great grandmother of Mary Ames and 2x great grandmother of Alvina Veillette.

DNA app WARNING screens

TRIANGULATION warning if the 3 legged stool is not solid enough.

TRIANGULATION TREE TOO TIPSY

This mini-tree is not stable enough to verify the triangulated connection.

The ideal connection for a triangulated confirmation is from DNA testers descended from 3 different children of the Most Recent Common Ancestor(s).

If only 2 children of the MRCA have DNA descendants, then two grandchildren from one line is also acceptable.

Also, though not as ideal, in well-documented cases, two great-grand-children from one line can be used to confirm the relationship.

HOWEVER, in this tree, the distance between the MRCA and the branching out into 3 distinct lines is too great for the triangulation to be confirmed.

NOTE: will not allow citation to be made

QUESTION: I'm wondering if another way of describing the relationship is to focus on the point at which the mini-tree shows 3 distinct lines. The IDEAL scenario is that those three individuals are 3 siblings. Next best is 2 siblings and 1 first cousin. Acceptable, though not preferred, would be 2 siblings and 1 second cousin. Anything greater would definitely be too wobbly.

Would pictures help along with this warning message so it's really clear ?

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Y-DNA warning if Genetic Distance too great

If Genetic Distance > 10% of markers - ie -

GD > 4 on a 37 marker test

GD > 7 on a 67 marker test

GD > 11 on a 111 marker test. (that seems very generous ... )

GENETIC DISTANCE - TOO MUCH
The Genetic Distance is too large to verify the paternal line connection.

NOTE: will not allow citation to be made

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mtDNA warnings about non-perfect matches

CASE 0 : Perfect matches - Genetic Distance of 0 (on FTDNA) / diffHRV1 = diffHRV2 = diffCR = 0 across the board on mitoYDNA.

--> no warning

--> go straight to the citation using language "an exact HVR1 and HVR2 match"

CASE 1 : Almost perfect matches - Genetic Distance of 1 (on FTDNA) / diffHRV1 + diffHRV2 + diffCR = 1 on mitoYDNA.

--> no warning

--> go straight to the citation using language "an HVR1 and HVR2 match with a minor mismatch"

CASE 2 : Not quite perfect matches - Genetic Distance of 2 (on FTDNA) / diffHRV1 + diffHRV2 + diffCR = 2 on mitoYDNA.

--> warning below

--> require checkmark in checkbox before continuing onto citation (to ensure they've thought about what they're doing!)

--> in the citation use language "an HVR1 and HVR2 match with minor mismatches"

(is any other qualifier needed in the citation??)

MISMATCH WARNING
The Genetic Distance is greater than 1.
Unless this has been confirmed to be due to MINOR mismatches, it throws the validity of the citation into question.
[ ] I confirm that this Genetic Distance is due to a Minor Mismatch, and that the documented genealogy supports the connection this proves through the maternal lines.

or

MISMATCH WARNING
The combined difference is greater than 1.
Unless this has been confirmed to be due to MINOR mismatches, it throws the validity of the citation into question.
[ ] I confirm that this combined difference is due to a Minor Mismatch, and that the documented genealogy supports the connection this proves through the maternal lines.

CASE 3 : Not a close enough match - Genetic Distance > 2 (on FTDNA) / diffHRV1 + diffHRV2 + diffCR > 2 on mitoYDNA.

--> big warning

--> will not allow citation to be made

MISMATCH - TOO MUCH MISMATCH
The combined difference is too large to verify the maternal line connection.

or

MISMATCH - TOO MUCH MISMATCH
The Genetic Distance is too large to verify the maternal line connection.

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Sample BARE BONES CITATIONS created with Ancestry Citation Maker app.

There are numerous sources for my great-great grandfather Elie Marcoux. In a census^[4], his baptismal record^[5], the family tree^[6], his profile page^[7], and his portrait.^[8]

Sources

1. ↑ Drouin collection, copyright 2024 Institut généalogique Drouin, accessed via the LAFRANCE tool on genealogiequebec.com (subscription required) Marriage record. Acte # 6336428. Accessed January 2024.

   Mariage St-Eugène (Prescott) Date: 25-avr.-1864     Non disponible, BARON, Louis Sujet, DUROCHER, Philomene Sujet, BARON, Louis Père de l'époux, PHILIATROS, Melie Mère de l'époux, DUROCHER, Francois Père de l'épouse, LABADIE, Marie Reine Mère de l'épouse, Transcription : Petit NBMDS

2. ↑ Accessed on ancestry.com, June 2021.
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3. ↑ Ancestry.com. Pennsylvania, U.S., Death Certificates, 1906-1967 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data:Pennsylvania (State). Death certificates, 1906–1968. Series 11.90 (1,905 cartons). Records of the Pennsylvania Department of Health, Record Group 11. Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania Historic and Museum Commission; Harrisburg, PA; Pennsylvania (State). Death Certificates, 1906-1968; Certificate Number Range: 028801-031500 Search: 1958 > 028801-031500 > image 3899 of 5134. Accessed on ancestry.com, June 2021.
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4. ↑ Census record from 1911 Accessed on ancestry.com, May 2021.
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5. ↑ Baptismal record. Accessed on ancestry.com, May 2021.
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6. ↑ Pedigree view of Family Tree. Accessed on ancestry.com, May 2021.
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7. ↑ Profile page on Ancestry. Accessed on ancestry.com, May 2021.
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8. ↑ Picture of Elie Marcoux, part of matching set with his wife. Accessed on ancestry.com, May 2021.
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