Haplogroup FTC1211

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Contents 1 FTC1211 Age Estimation 2 A Savage Family Line in Ayrshire? 3 FTC1211 Families 4 Phylogenetic Parent of FTC1211 5 Sources

FTC1211 Age Estimation

• FTDNA estimates Haplogroup R-FTC1211 represents a man who is estimated to have been born around 200 years ago, plus or minus 150 years. That corresponds to about 1800 CE with a 95% probability he was born between 1650 CE and 1950 CE.

A Savage Family Line in Ayrshire?

While the focus of this page is FTC1211, which likely emerged from BY50703 between 1650 and 1800, it's important to consider the roots of FTC1211 in BY50703... BY50703 having originated in Ayrshire, Scotland.

First, however, we need to acknowledge a line of Savages identified to the Ards, in Ulster. This line appears traceable to an Anglo-Norman line from England, not the Pretanic line of Mure/Muir which is identifiable to FTC1211. Still, it's important to note this Ard line of Savage as it had an association with the Montgomeries (from Ayrshire), and the Mure/Muir lines are often associated with the Montgomery lines of SW Scotland.^[1] The Savage line is identified, in Ulster, as attached to Knockdoo, or Knockdhue (Black Hill), or Rock-Savage, in Ballygalget. ^{[2] [3]}

Again, with the haplogroup FTC1211, the tested line is clearly not Anglo-Norman. Rather, it appears rooted in the Pretanic line that eventually became one of the Muir/Mure subclades of BY3374. Per birth, marriage, and death records found in the Scotlands People site, there were a number of Savage family members documented to Edinburgh and surrounding areas, but there is a distinct single line in Ayrshire and Glasgow... indeed, in Kilmarnock. A Hugh Savage was born in 1750 in Kilmarnock, son of another Hugh, and a John Savage was recorded as marrying Jean Napier, in Glasgow, in 1749.

It is unclear if the Savage lines of Edinburgh were connected to those of Ayrshire. For that matter, it is not clear how/if either were connected to the Savage line of the Ards. What is known is that FTC1211 and BY50776 shared a BY50703 Mure/Muir ancestor, but it is unlikely to have been in North America. Rather, it was likely in either Northern Ireland or the area of Ayrshire, Scotland in the 1600s.

FTC1211 Families

• Francis Savage, ca. 1700 - 1766, Duplin Co., NC.

Phylogenetic Parent of FTC1211

• BY50703

Sources

1. ↑ In 1636, when the 1st Viscount Montgomery died, Henry Savage attended the funeral. Henry's only surviving son was John, and a son of John is identified as Hugh Savage.
2. ↑ https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Montgomery_Manuscripts_1603_1706_Com.html?id=oxxYAAAAcAAJ#v=onepage&q=%22hugh%20savage%22%20Kilmarnock&f=false
3. ↑ Note the site below, yet, understand to proceed skeptically. It does not account for an NPE which is evident in FTC1211: https://electricscotland.com/webclans/scotsirish/savagesoftheards.pdf