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WikiTree Pages of Interest

The family of William Hilton of Witton and his wife Ellen Mainwaring:

The family of Charles Hilton of London, Fishmonger:

The family of John Hilton of Davenham:

The family of George Hilton (presumably of Davenham)

The family of Charles Hilton (of Davenham)


Mentioned in the will of William of Witton:

Mentioned in the will of Arthur of Allostock:

  • Joane Hilton my wiffe -- executor
  • William my brother -- 10 shillings
  • my Sister Eme and to John Dicksone my brother in law -- 14 shillings 3 pence


Other Hiltons:

Handy resources:

Historical Background

  • 1641 Poll Tax, 18 June "House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 18 June 1641." [9] "Resolved, &c. That the Master and Wardens of the Twelve First Companies, such as have fined to be Masters or Wardens of those Companies, shall pay Ten Pounds: That the Livery of the Twelve First Companies shall pay Five Pounds:" (The Fishmongers Company was #4) In the Public Record Office, Among the Lay Subsidy (Tax) Rolls, is a List of Emigrant Liverymen of London, by Livery Company. Those not present in England would not have paid the assessed amount.


Key Genealogical Questions

  • What historical records show a relationship between the immigrants, William and Edward Hilton?
  • What historical records placed the immigrants' origins at Northwich, Cheshire, England?
  • What records establish Edward Hilton's identity as a Fishmonger?
  • What records establish each of the Edward Hiltons' paternity?
  • What records establish the relationship between William of Witton and Charles of London?

Bibliographic Notes

  • Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., paginated continuously (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995), 951-957 (William Hilton); digital images by subscription, AmericanAnderson.
  • Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, I-III, 3 vols., paginated continuously (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995), 947-951 (Edward Hilton); digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  • Sybil Noyes, Charles Thornton Libby and Water Goodwin Davis, Genealogical Dictionary of Maine and New Hampshire (Portland, Maine, Southworth Press [originally in 5 parts, paginated consecutively], 1928-1938; rpt, Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2012), 334-335 (17-William Hilton); digital images, InternetArchive (borrow).
  • Sybil Noyes, Charles Thornton Libby and Water Goodwin Davis, Genealogical Dictionary of Maine and New Hampshire (Portland, Maine, Southworth Press [originally in 5 parts, paginated consecutively], 1928-1938; rpt, Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2012), 331-332 (1-Edward Hilton); digital images, InternetArchive (borrow).
  • Edith (Bartlett) Sumner, Ancestry of Edward Wales Blake and Clarissa Matilda Glidden with Ninety Allied Families (Los Angeles, 1948), pp.143-144 (Hilton); digital images, HathiTrust

Theories of Parentage

Charles Hilton of London and his wife Marie are parents to at least four children, and possibly as many as six. Their son Paul is eldest, daughters include Elizabeth, Lydia, and Rachel. The will of Edward Bradbent 1632 that mentions Marie, Paul, Elizabeth, Lydia, and Rachel, affirms their maternal link. Paul is connected to his father through his school record. There may have been a daughter buried in 1611 or so. A single record from Boyd's Inhabitants connects the Charles Hilton household with his widow Marie, his son Paul, and Edward Hilton, the New England fishmonger; the daughters are not mentioned. Either the Edward recorded on the Boyd's record was a son of Charles and Marie, or possibly he was adopted kin, or if not adopted then at very least a Hilton apprentice of the widow Marie. Charles Hilton of London is named in the will of William of Witton, who owed twenty-four shillings to Charles of London.

William Hilton of Witton and his wife Ellen are parents to at least two sons, and possibly as many as six children. Their sons, William and Edward, are the subjects of our analysis. The details of Edward's birth and parentage are offered by Anderson and matched by a baptismal record, with one small detail different; Anderson says "Northwich, Cheshire" while the baptismal record is more specific with "Witton-cum-Twambrooks, Cheshire"; Witton is small enclave within Northwich. Amongst debtors and owers named in his will, and not specifically named as a son, there is a William Hilton of London and claims 4 pounds and 6 shillings owed to him, he then pays a debt of 4 pounds and 12 shillings on behalf of William Hilton of London. Genealogists and historians, like Anderson and Noyes connect the brothers Hilton with Northwich.

There are some key questions that arise out of these portrayals:

  • How is William Hilton of Witton related to Charles Hilton of London?
    • Relatively close. :-)
  • How many Edward Hiltons are there?
    • There is only one, he is Edward son of William, who was apprenticed by Charles widow.
    • There are two, one whose life in Cheshire is unknown to us, and Edward son of Charles.
    • There are three, one from Cheshire, one from London, and a third Edward Hilton who was apprentice to Mary but not the son of either Charles or William.
  • Are Dover William and Edward actually brothers?
    • Yes, sons of William of Witton
    • No, they are William son of William and Edward son of Charles
    • No, they are unknown William Hilton and Edward son of Charles
    • No, they are unknown William Hilton and Edward son of William
  • What do we know about Edward, son of William, of Northwich and later of Dover?
    • Edward (bp. 1596 Northwich, Cheshire - d. Oct 1670/Mar 1671 Dover or Exeter, NH.[10]), is the son of William Hilton.[10]
    • Edward was christened 9 June 1596 at Witton-cum-Twambrooks, Cheshire, England, son of William Hilton. [11]
    • Orphan (1605)
    • [Edward Hilton] was apprenticed to Marie, widow of Charles Hilton, and became a member of the Fishmongers' Company 4-9-1621.[12]
    • Boyd's Inhabitants of London record reporting "Edward free 1621" and "Edward FISH 1641 poll tax... in New England"[13]
    • Edward Hilton was granted freeman, by service, attested by Marie Hilton (widow), on 10 Aug 1621, admitted and sworn to the Fishmonger's Guild. Edward Hilton and Thomas Roberts are listed as "in New England" in the 1641 Fishmongers tax roll of London.[14][15]
    • For argument's sake: he sets off to New England (1623-1630)
    • Life in New England...
    • FG Waters reporting: 1641 Poll Tax, "Edward Hilton in New England"[16]
  • What do we know about William, son of William, of Northwich and later of London? - did he ever go to London?
    • Mentioned in father's will, with a mysterious debt (1605)
      • - not referred to as "son"[17]
    • Legatee to brother Arthur (1612)[citation needed]
      • - incorrect
    • He sets off to New England aboard The Fortune (1621)[18]
    • Whatever Anderson et al tell us
    • Life in New England...
    • Edith Sumner reporting: 1641 Fishmonger poll tax -- "William Hilton in New England".[19]
  • What do we know about Charles Hilton of London and family?
    • Boyd's Inhabitants of London record reporting household of Charles Hilton, mentions widow Marie with four orphans, mentions Paul and Edward.[20]
    • There is no baptismal record found for any of the known children of Charles Hilton.
    • In Charles' 1612 Will, he styles himself as "of St Botolph". This is almost certainly the parish of St Botolph Billingsgate, containing Fish Street, where the fish market was located. This church and its records were destroyed in the 1666 Fire of London. [21]
    • It is noteworthy that the families of Charles Hilton's daughters have records from the nearby church of St Magnus the Martyr. No records of this family have been found from the other three London churches of St Botolph.
  • What do we know about Edward, son of Charles, of London and later of Dover?
    • There is no baptismal record found for Edward Hilton.
    • Boyd's Inhabitants of London record reporting "Edward free 1621" and "Edward FISH 1641 poll tax... in New England"[22]
    • Blog postings attesting, with Fishmonger citations. Edward Hilton was granted freeman, by service, attested by (his mother) Marie Hilton (widow), on 10 Aug 1621, admitted and sworn to the Fishmonger's Guild. Edward Hilton and Thomas Roberts are listed as "in New England" in the 1641 Fishmongers tax roll of London.[23][24]
    • For argument's sake: he sets off to New England (1623-1630)
    • Life in New England...
    • FG Waters reporting on 1641 Poll Tax, "Edward Hilton in New England"[25]
  • What are the quantitative and qualitative difference between apprenticeship and patrimony?
    • Could a family send more than one child for freedom by patrimony?
    • Could a wife assume the mantle of Fishmonger to maintain the business?
      • - i believe so but possibly for a linited time will check Browning-5288 07:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
    • Could a parent serve as master to an apprentice?
    • Could another kinsman serve as master to an apprentice?
      • - an apprentice could be turned over to another Master on the death of a Mastr[citation needed]
    • More specifically, what were the Fishmongers' rules in the early 1600s?

Research Notes

Sources

  1. ↑ First name(s) Willm Last name Hylton Or Grey Gender Male Birth year 1602 Baptism year 1602 Baptism date 10 Nov 1602 Place Witton-Cum-Twambrooks County Cheshire Country England Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
  2. ↑ Anthony Hilton, bp. 12 May 1583, Saint Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N51R-246 : 5 February 2023), Anthony Hilton, 1583.
  3. ↑ Anthony Hilton m. Ellen Cocker, 1 Mar 1601, Saint Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England. "England Marriages, 1538–1973", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLH4-YPN : 12 March 2020), Anthony Hilton, 1601.
  4. ↑ Anthony Hilton m Ellen Cocker, 1 Mar 1601, Saint Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England. "England Marriages, 1538–1973", database, Reference: Item 1. FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLH4-YPN : 12 March 2020), Anthony Hilton, 1601.
  5. ↑ Anthony Hilton bur. June 1605, at Lancashire, England. "England, Lancashire Non-Conformist Church Records, 1647-1996", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ZDJ2-V8PZ : 11 July 2022), Antony Hilton.
  6. ↑ Anthony Hilton bur. June 1605, at Lancashire, England. "England, Lancashire Non-Conformist Church Records, 1647-1996," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DTHS-7F?cc=3656808 : 29 June 2020), > image 1 of 1; citing multiple custodians, England.) "Antony Hilton from the Poor-house", Lancashire, England.
  7. ↑ Baptism: "Cheshire, England, Parish Registers, 1538-1909"
    Church of England. Record Office; Chester, England
    Ancestry uk Record 61760 #1576741 (accessed 25 April 2023)
    Carolus Hilton baptism in 1563, son of Georgi Hilton, in Cheshire, England.
  8. ↑ Burial: "Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Burials 1538-1911"
    Reference: item9 page61
    FindMyPast Image - FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 27 April 2023)
    Georgius Hilton burial on 26 Jul 1590 in Devenham, Cheshire, England.
  9. ↑ Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 2, 1640-1643. London: His Majesty's Stationery Office, 1802. 178-180. British History Online. Web. 2 May 2023. Poll Tax
  10. ↑ 10.0 10.1 Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, I-III, 3 vols., paginated continuously (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995), 947-951 (Edward Hilton) at 949; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  11. ↑ England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XX63-QFJ?i=37
  12. ↑ Edith (Bartlett) Sumner, Ancestry of Edward Wales Blake and Clarissa Matilda Glidden with Ninety Allied Families (Los Angeles, 1948), pp.143-144 (Hilton); digital images, HathiTrust
  13. ↑ Boyd's Inhabitants of London. [24106] Edward Hilton
  14. ↑ Fredric Z. Saunders. "The Roberts Family of Woolstone". See footnote 23 (item 3), which cites source documents of the Fishmonger's Guild at Guildhall Library London, Aldermanbury, London. (Link via the Wayback Machine, capture date 26 Nov 2018) https://web.archive.org/web/20181126150136/http://home.netcom.com/~fzsaund/roberts.html
  15. ↑ Jeanie Roberts, "Thomas Roberts of Woolaston, Gloucester and Dover, New Hampshire 1600-1673," The Family Connection, blog post of 5 January 2013; web content, jeaniesgenealogy.com (Accessed 18 Apr 2023) https://www.jeaniesgenealogy.com/2013/01/thomas-roberts-of-woolaston-gloucester.html
  16. ↑ Waters, H. F. (Henry Fitz-Gilbert)., New England Historic Genealogical Society. The New England historical and genealogical register. [Boston, etc.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, etc.]. pp. 92 &199. (Accessed 26 Apr 2023) Hathi Trust 92 HathiTrust 199
  17. ↑ Will of William Hilton, husbandman of Witton, Cheshire 1605
  18. ↑ Fortune sailed 1621--William Hilton immigrant
  19. ↑ Edith (Bartlett) Sumner, Ancestry of Edward Wales Blake and Clarissa Matilda Glidden with Ninety Allied Families (Los Angeles, 1948), pp.143-144 (Hilton); digital images, HathiTrust
  20. ↑ Boyd's Inhabitants of London. [24106] Edward Hilton
  21. ↑ Lost Churches of London: St Botolph Billingsgate Botolph
  22. ↑ Boyd's Inhabitants of London. [24106] Edward Hilton (Accessed 25 April 2023)
  23. ↑ Fredric Z. Saunders. "The Roberts Family of Woolstone". See footnote 23 (item 3), which cites source documents of the Fishmonger's Guild at Guildhall Library London, Aldermanbury, London. (Link via the Wayback Machine, capture date 26 Nov 2018) https://web.archive.org/web/20181126150136/http://home.netcom.com/~fzsaund/roberts.html
  24. ↑ Jeanie Roberts, "Thomas Roberts of Woolaston, Gloucester and Dover, New Hampshire 1600-1673," The Family Connection, blog post of 5 January 2013; web content, jeaniesgenealogy.com (Accessed 18 Apr 2023) https://www.jeaniesgenealogy.com/2013/01/thomas-roberts-of-woolaston-gloucester.html
  25. ↑ Waters, H. F. (Henry Fitz-Gilbert)., New England Historic Genealogical Society. The New England historical and genealogical register. [Boston, etc.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, etc.]. pp. 92 &199. (Accessed 26 Apr 2023) Hathi Trust 92 HathiTrust 199




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Jake Myers
It is my considered opinion upon serious reexamination of the known facts regarding our William's Famous Letter (supposedly dated 11 Nov 1621 but certainly before the 13 December 1621 Departure of the Fortune) to his "Loving Cousin" which he signed, "Your Loving Kinsman" (William Hilton) and which was sent to London, England and published in October 1622 by John Smith; That these facts show "The Letter" was Indeed Intended For Delivery to our Fishmonger Edward Hilton in London, whom was still there operating a Fishmonger Business for Mary Broadbent Hilton, widow of the Charles Hilton whom is documented by sources to reside at the Fishmongers Guild Market, which street is up the hill from the Fish Wharves there, which were near where John Smith likely was quite familiar with over the years. Everyone involved in the Colonialization Endeavors was familiar with this part of London.

* There is a string of well documented Transmitters and Publishers (with Chronology) of the Original Letter which was eventually Published in John Smith's book. I will add in a summary of those printing and publishing details at a later date. The Original Letter written in November 1621 by William to Edward Hilton (Loving Cousin) was in ink, not printed. So eventually Smith copied it for printing or Edward gave it to him upon his trust in Smith. Edward knew Smith was a leading expert on New England so he must have learned quite a bit about it from him, and knowing that his older Kinsman William Hilton was at Plymouth must have encouraged him to start investigating New England in 1623-24. Edward knew about David Thomson and the Plymouth Adventurers as well as Captain Christopher Levitt's Isle Of Shoals Fishing Fleets.

  • I suppose there might be other cousins that it could have been delivered to but we know of no others in London excepting possibly Charles son, Paul Hilton whom was already involved in another trade besides Fishmongering. William would want to deliver news to his wife and he knew his "Loving Cousin" Edward was at the Thames River Wharves in London where the Fortune transporting Robert Cushman would dock. William knew that Edward would contact his wife in England to deliver the letter and news to her from him. She may have received the Original Letter from Edward but we do not know for certain. Although we have no evidence for the following, it would make sense that William wrote a Separate Personal Letter to her that his cousin Edward would also have received with his own letter from Cushman and made sure that William's wife received it. No-one would have published it, nor did any historian record a lasting record of it.
  • Now John Smith did not deliver the letter to Edward or any Hilton Cousin there. I have investigated several original sources for the documented timeline of Smith's Publishing Activities in London for 1620-1626 or thereabouts. I have Traced the Transmission, Printing and Publishing of Williams Famous Letter. I will eventually post a Summary of that Research to the two Supposed Brothers Profiles. For now, I am Posting a Comment on the Hilton Research Space because that is where we are organizing all the Family Groups of the Cheshire and London Hiltons, especially the multiple Edward and William connected family names.
  • Robert Cushman knew William Hilton and Cushman was the Plymouth Leader whom took all their Correspondence and Letters, along with Bradford and Winslow 's Priceless History (Mourt's Relation) back to London, departing 13 December 1621 from Plymouth on the "Fortune," finally arriving there on 17 Feb 1622 after some sad events which delayed them. That is a another story beyond this one.
  • Therefore, Robert Cushman would have been the person whom delivered all the transported Correspondence and Letters to those Persons whom they were addressed to. Cushman certainly delivered William Hilton's Letter to Edward Hilton whom was Located adjacent to the River, only half a mile from all of the Puritan Printers and Publishers. Cushman certainly delivered the Bradford-Winslow History to George Morton (Mourts) who did publish it that summer of 1622. I have located all of the involved and connected Printers and Publishers whom were involved in the Plymouth Printings and also John Smith's Books. One Publisher was John Bellamy, and Charles Hilton's son in law, Ralph Bellamy took over the Fishmongers Business after Edward removed to Piscataqua Bay. Possibly, the Bellamy's are related. Smith collected other letters and documents for the October 1622 2nd Edition of his New England Trials... He earlier published the First Edition which did not include Hilton's Letter. I suspect Smith gave Edward Hilton a copy of his 1st Edition in compensation for his right to publish a copy of William's Letter. We have no evidence of that, but it helps explain the printing. There are Research Papers written on what John Smith did with his 1st Editions during 1621-22 which support his trading information. If this occurred, Edward would have learned a lot from it which would encourage his interest in New England.
  • The various publishers were in contact with each other and John Smith became aware of most new letters, acquiring copies of them to add to his book. He would have spoke to Robert Cushman and Edward Hilton to learn more about New Plymouth Colony. John Smith was a Prominent Author and everyone would want to share new info with them. Edward likely let Smith, Cushman or the Merchant Adventurers copy and print William Hilton's Famous Letter to his Loving Kinsman but he did not share any letter, if even written, from William to his wife. She arrived in New Plymouth months later in 1623.

* Still it is significant that William mentioned his wife, yet called his cousin, his Kinsman. To me, since he was so specific about his wife, he would have been just as specific about his brother whom is closer than a Kinsman. Instead, William named him as a Kinsman. I believe Edward Hilton, The Fishmonger Of London, was that Kinsman. William and Edward are more likely Cousins, not brothers and at least one other document supports this interpretation, that being the Testimony regarding Mr Edward Hilton by Williams son William in a New Hampshire Court Case about William Hilton's Property Dispute. He called him Mr Edward Hilton and not his Uncle Hilton. Now, if Charles is Edward's Guild Master and only a Kinsman, then William may be an actual son of Charles. We just do not yet have enough evidence to know as of today. I find early historian William Hubbard's statement suspect, that they were brothers, since he wrote after their deaths, likely never ever met either and has been found to have made many errors. Still, every later historian still saw them as a pair of brothers or cousins but without any evidence. So, circumstantial and documented evidence about this letter is quite strong and there is more to be added to it later, but in a different location.

posted by Jake Myers
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Ann Browning
Noyes information is flawed for William (also Richard I think in the Genealogical Dictionary.

Arthur is too old to be the brother of William and son of William of Witton. as written in that publication. If they had read the will correctly they would see that h is nearly the same age as William of Witton. The books are available of FS library. ETA it is Libby's book I'm looking at, ah Noyes is a co-author.


Ann

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posted by Ann Browning
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Murray Maloney
Some clues, from the profile of Ellen (Mainwaring) Hilton (1562-1606):

SNIPPET: "There are three known brothers: Charles and Anthony Hilton of the great Fishmongers, Guild in London, and WILLIAM, below. WILLIAM HILTON Sied in Northwich, Cheshire, England, in 1605. His will of Feb. 8, 1604/5, was proved Oct. 28, 1605. His widow Ellen (Mainwaring?) was buried on March 27, 1606. l WILLIAM, probably the eldest. . 2 Edward, bp. Witton Chapel, Northwich, 6-5-1596. Prob.d., Exeter ,N.H., 1669-1671. First wife unk; 7 chil. M.,2, c1654, Katherine [Shapleigh] ...," (Sumner, 1957). <ref>Ancestry and Descendants of James Hensman Coltman and Betsey Tobey</ref>

SNIPPET: William Hilton (yeoman), b. c. 1535 Lancashire - d. 14 Feb 1604/5 Witton parish, Northwich, Cheshire m. (bef. 1571) Ellen Mainwaring b. Cheshire - d. c. 1606 London ..., (The Dinghy, 1994, VI & VII).[1]

SNIPPET: "The Hilton family was originally of Lancastershire, England, but William Hilton, father of our immigrant ancestor, had moved to Northwich, Cheshire, England, where he was in partnership with his brothers in a fishing and salt packing business. William and his wife, Ellen Mainwaring, were parents of a son born in 1585 who they named William. That son, William, lived in Northwich until his twenty-eighth year when he moved to Greenwich, England. Within two years, he returned to ...," (McKusick, 2007).<ref>The descendants of John McKusick and Mary Barker, 1739-2007</ref>

posted by Murray Maloney
Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Snippets from whence? What source?
posted by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Murray Maloney
Lois, these were found on Ellen's profile. The citations included are all I know. Don't know whether they have any value, but didn't want them overlooked either. That's why I put them in a comment and not in profile.
posted by Murray Maloney
Lois (Hacker) Tilton
The bit about the salt-packing business is of interest to me, but useless w/o a source. I have always supposed William was a (small cap) salter, but I can't locate the place he talked about making salt in New England, being acquainted with the process. A cousin leased a salt house.

But the bit about having a salt monopoly as in so many of those genealogy books, is just nonsense. Salt-making in Cheshire at that time was in the hands of numerous small operators.

A lot that needs to be edited out of the profiles.

posted by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
edited by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Murray Maloney
I'd have to dig through the books again, but as I remember it... Wm Hilton left Plymouth and headed to the mouth of the Piscataqua to establish a salt manufacturing facility, under license of Gorges and Mason. The salt being the key component of the fish stock preservation process, a good fishmonger would want to secure his supply, especially if that was a family talent. Unfortunately, it's all from genealogy and history books, so doesn't qualify as contemporaneous sources. Recollections of recollections really. Anyway, having established the salt supply downriver, they moved upriver to find their fishing grounds and settled at Hilton's Point, and then later he moved across the river to Kittery, Maine. It's great stuff, the storytelling that is.
posted by Murray Maloney
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Ann Browning
I haven’t found a burial for an Ellen Hilton in 1606, only 1626

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Ann Browning
Anthony is not related and he went to Virginia.

I’ve been looking a Mainwaring wills. I’ll have a look for a Hewitt Will that might mention Hiltons

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Lois (Hacker) Tilton
And of a much younger generation.
posted by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Murray Maloney
Ann, how do you know that Anthony was not related? Does he have a profile?
posted by Murray Maloney
GeneJ X
Sorry to bounce in ... but reading in the Theories .... "What do we know about Edward, son of Charles, of London and later of Dover"

If Dover is referring to the place in the colonies, then aren't we ahead of ourselves?

posted by GeneJ X
Murray Maloney
Gene, I am trying to show that either Edward Hilton could be Edward of Dover.
posted by Murray Maloney
Ann Browning
This could be his widow's burial, the transcription doesn't say but the register entry says vid. in other words widow

Ann


Ellena was buried on 27 March 1626 in Witton-Cum-Twambrooks, Cheshire, England.<ref> Burial: "Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Burials 1538-1911"

Reference: item 2

FindMyPast Image - FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 2 May 2023)

Ellena Hilton burial on 27 Mar 1626 in Witton-Cum-Twambrooks, Cheshire, England. </ref>

posted by Ann Browning
edited by Ann Browning
Murray Maloney
I have added a comment to Ellen's profile.
posted by Murray Maloney
Ann Browning
Also it strikes me that William of Witton's wife very likely remarried which might find a first name for her rather than 'Ellen Mainwaring' which has no proof. At present she should be unknown unknown.

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Ann Browning
This mysterious Hylton

First name(s) Willm Last name Hylton Or Grey Gender Male Birth year 1602 Baptism year 1602 Baptism date 10 Nov 1602 Place Witton-Cum-Twambrooks County Cheshire Country England Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain

posted by Ann Browning
Ann Browning
Arthur's marriage

Arthewre married Jone Royle on 1 June 1599 in Cheshire, England.<ref> Marriage: "Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Marriages 1538-1910"

Reference: item 2

FindMyPast Image - FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 2 May 2023)

Arthewre Hilton marriage to Jone Royle on 1 Jun 1599 in Cheshire, England. </ref>

posted by Ann Browning
Ann Browning
John, son of Willm Hilton, was born in 1593 and baptised on 6 December 1593 in Witton-Cum-Twambrooks, Cheshire, England.<ref>

Baptism: "Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911"

FindMyPast Image - FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 2 May 2023)

John Hilton baptism on 6 Dec 1593 (born 1593), son of Willm Hilton, in Witton-Cum-Twambrooks, Cheshire, England. </ref>

posted by Ann Browning
Lois (Hacker) Tilton
I have edited the records for Edward Hilton-5013 to add a source showing the baptismal records for this family were destroyed in the Great Fire of London. The absence of a baptismal record does not in such cases serve as evidence that an individual was not born there.
posted by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Ann Browning
I’ll ask Jo if she knows if there are any BT’s

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Finding BTs would be wonderful. The children were all born between 1595 (Paul) and 1612. I would be inclined to credit Susanna as a fifth daughter were it not for her burial place.
posted by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Andrew Millard
BTs for St Botolph Billingsgate have survived 1629-31, 1639-40, and others after 1800. (National Index of Parish Registers, volume 9, part 5: London & Middlesex)
posted by Andrew Millard
Ann Browning
Arthur's will, slung on a page but needs tidying and source etc putting on.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Will_of_Arthur_Hilton%2C_yeoman_of_Allostock%2C_Cheshire_1615

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Murray Maloney
Thank you, that is very helpful.
posted by Murray Maloney
Lois (Hacker) Tilton
For the sake of clarity and accuracy, I have edited the material relative to the 1641 Poll Tax, with additional sources.
posted by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Murray Maloney
I have moved that into its own section.
posted by Murray Maloney
Ann Browning
William of Witton names one of his executors as an Arthur Hilton in 1605, it can’t be a son and can only be the Arthur Hilton of the Will of 1614 who is a married man with a married daughter. He is possibly a kinsman but is not named as a brother.

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
GeneJ X
Good thinking, Ann, but how can we know that "it can't be a son?"
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Ann Browning
Because Arthur must be around the same age as William as he had a married daughter so will 1614, daughter then say 22 so born say 1592 so Arthur born say 1572. I do have a baptism for him anyway which I’ll post on the page

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Murray Maloney
Arthur Hilton of Allostock (1572-bef.1613)
posted by Murray Maloney
Ann Browning
William was not legatee to ‘brother Arthur’ no Will for an Arthur Hilton can be found there is however an Arthur Hilton who left a will of 1614 who names his brother William in his Will. William of Witton is dead by this time so it can’t be him. The only baptism for an Arthur Hilton is one in Davenham son of John. I am in the process of transcribing Arthur’s will.

This Will is not mentioned in any of the books so I am unsure where this information has come from.

Ann

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GeneJ X
We really do need the wills.

Genealogical Dictionary of Maine and New Hampshire postures Arthur's brother as PGM William Hilton Sr (abt.1590-bef.1656), saying William was the legatee in Arthur's will.

Edited to add: Hopefully more after work.

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Ann Browning
He can’t be as he is dead in 1605 and the Will is 1614. I’m just going through the Witton register, no Hilton’s up to where I have got to in 1569.

I’ll keep going through it. I suspect William of Witton was born at Davenham

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
GeneJ X
William Hilton Sr (abt.1590-bef.1656) is the immigrant ... we call the father William Hilton of Witton (bef.1545-bef.1605).

Edited to add: More after work.

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Lois (Hacker) Tilton
It is my understanding the WikiTree policy disapproves the use of terms "senior" "junior" and similar prefixes in profiles. Should this not be edited?
posted by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
GeneJ X
Hi Lois,

Thank you.

We would report the suffix if he was referred to that way in contemporaneous records. --Gene

Edited to add: from his profile -- On 30 June 1653 "William Hilton Senior" sued Samuell Allcocke for cutting and carrying away his timber . On 25 October 1653 Mr. William Hilton Senior sued Ann Mason of London and, in a separate action, sued Sir Ferdinando Gorges, for damage done against him." Cites "Province and Court Records of Maine, II, p. 11,19"

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Ann Browning
William of Witton doesn’t name any William as his son in his will. He doesn’t name his wife or children. He has a William Hilton of London as someone he owes money to and who owes him money, they may be two separate Williams but are definitely not called my son

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Lois (Hacker) Tilton
The number of William Hiltons in London at that time was large.

But I am not aware that any evidence shows William Hilton-18 as present in London at the date of William Hilton of Witton's Will.

posted by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Murray Maloney
That's true. He is not specifically named as son.

Please also note that a debt is paid on behalf of William to the estate of a woman from Witton. I think that means that William of London had some kind of connection to this woman in Witton. We have not found the woman in question, but we have identified her father and siser.

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