Rumors, Myths, History and Mysteries related to the Hubbard family

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A place to collaborate on the Rumors, Myths, History and Mysteries associated with the Hubbard family, particularly Charles George Hubbard (1887-1973), his siblings and parents.

There are a lot of stories associated with this family. One of those stories is that Charles George Hubbard, "George" as he was called was one of approximately 18 children of Henry DeForest Hubbard and Alice Madalynn Matheny.

So far there aren't quite that many children, Henry and Alice had 5 known children, Maude Mable (Hubbard) List (abt.1879-1939), Claude Eugene Hubbard (abt.1880-1963), Harry William Hubbard (abt.1882-1951), Fred Albertus Hubbard (1885-1963), and Charles George Hubbard (1887-1973).

There are 3 "rumored or unconfirmed" children for this first marriage. These 3 children appear on FamilySearch as James Hubbard 1880-Deceased LKZR-8GV (https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/LKZR-8GV) with 0 sources, Florence Hubbard 1888-Deceased LKZR-81M (https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/LKZR-81M) with 0 sources and Margaret Hubbard 1890-Deceased LKZR-8CM (https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/LKZR-8CM) with 0 sources. These 3 children are disputed at this time because they have no sources; they may never have existed OR they may have died very young OR they may be members of a different family that contains the same names.

The name Roscoe also shows up in relation to Charles George Hubbard; there is a photo of a boy with the inscription To George From Roscoe". This photo was given to George, inherited by his daughter, then inherited by his grand-daughter and is in the possession of his great-grand daughter. Is Roscoe related to the Hubbard family? or is Roscoe related to the Harader line (the adopted / foster family of Charles George Hubbard)? Roscoe's surname is unknown.

Divorce

Through George's line, oral tradition says that Henry DeForest Hubbard divorced Alice Madalynn Metheny because she was a "squaw" and he married Minnie.

The 1930 Census for Maud M List and Homer List shows Homer as absent from the household (designates by (ab)); Maud is the Head of house in his absence (designated by (H-)). It shows race of Maud and her children as Indian, but it shows Maude's grandchildren as white.^[1]; so far this 1930 census is the only document that suggests Native American heritage for Maude, Harvey, Juanita, Roberta M (List) Bentley, Cormoletta (List) Larson and Albin D List.

Spelling variations exist for Maud / Maude Mable (Hubbard) List as well as for several other family members.

Homer is absent from the family; Where was he during the 1930 census?

TODO:

1. Divorce location for Henry and Alice Madalynn is unknown. Their youngest, Charles George was born Knox Co. on 14 Feb 1887. Check Knox Co., Ohio and Stark Co., Ohio for divorce record.
   
2. Divorce date for Henry and Alice Madalynn is before 30 December 1891 because Henry De Forest married Minnie Moore in Stark Co., Ohio on 31 December 1891.
   
3. Check Stark Co., Ohio for Henry De Forest Hubbard, Mary Eliza "Minnie" Moore and her parents, Alice Madalynn (Metheny) Hubbard and search for children's names in Stark Co., Ohio. Suggestions include: City Directories (Knox & Stark as well as neighboring counties, Tax Lists, and Newspaper archives (divorces and real estate transfers, etc.), birth and death index searches, Church Records and land records for Minnie's father and for Henry De Forest Hubbard.

Re-Marriage

Henry De Forest Hubbard and Mary E "Minnie" Moore Mary Eliza (Moore) Hubbard (1870-1957) married 31 December 1891 at Stark County, Ohio^[2]; they had 5 identified children; Helen Emilie (Hubbard) Weir (abt.1892-1967), Mary Grace (Hubbard) Spieth (abt.1897-1994), Dorothy Moore Hubbard (abt.1899-abt.1901), Florence Carol Hubbard (abt.1902-1905), John De Forest Hubbard (abt.1908-1998), the 1910 Census^[3] shows Minnie had 5 children with 3 living.

That totals 10 confirmed children for Henry De Forest Hubbard with 3 possible undocumented children; We don't know who Roscoe is but there appears to be some possible kinship to the Hubbard line.

Did Alice Madalynn have other children through other marriages? FamilySearch shows that she was married four times, with her fourth husband being James Bolyard. For now, we simply don't know.

Now, on to the stories and mysteries....

A Terrible Accident

Oral tradition through George's line says that there was a terrible accident. All of the children who were old enough to "pull some weight" were farmed out to other family members. Fred & George, being the youngest were placed in an orphanage and and at some point were sent out west on the "Orphan Train". That orphanage was the "Cleveland Protestant Children's Home" according to George. The correct name was the Cleveland Protestant Orphan's Asylum, at Cleveland, Ohio.

I too ( Stanley Duett ) heard of the terrible accident, Now I may not have the story attached to the correct family since not only did my Hubbard family come from Stark Ohio, but so did my Chroninger family sometimes spelled Croninger ( anyhow the story I heard was that there was a fire and the house burned down to the ground, something about a spark from the fire place. ) Now the reason I can’t distinguish between the two families on this story is because whenever we gather for a visit at grandmother’s Florence Husband Duett Terry my grandmother and step grandfather Raymond Terry and they would all tell stories and sometimes they'd all be talking at the same time, especially my dad and uncles; it was like some kind of competition of who could talk the loudest and which one thought they had to have the floor. So it’s very possible that the fire could’ve been either side of the family.

Orphan Train Riders?

Among the stories associated with George, and his older brother, Fred Albertus Hubbard, is that George & Fred were Orphan Train riders. Were they Orphan Train riders? or simply a couple "orphans" from an orphanage who were taken by train to their new "families"?

The tale continues that the boys got separated at Kansas City. The story doesn't say whether it was Missouri or Kansas. Fred went to a family in the KC area and George continued on the train to Kansas.

According to George's son, George was picked up on 22 December 1889 at Lawrence, Kansas by Daniel Harader (1846-1929), a Dunkard (Church of the Brethren) Minister. Oral tradition says Daniel Harader and wife, Catherine (Morton) Harader (abt.1844-1932) were living in Oklahoma Territory at that time and that Dan participated in the 22 April 1889 Land Run in Oklahoma Territory / Indian Territory. It's more likely that Daniel Harader was still living in Kansas based on Kansas newspaper accounts.

As I’ve heard ( Stanley Duett ) From my Grandmother (Florence Hubbard) Duett Terry, My Great Grandfather Fred A Hubbard was on a orphan train ( all of his siblings were separate ) but We also heard that he came to Missouri on a riverboat or Houseboat, so now I’m wondering where Fred actually was orphan and what family he lived with at that young age of 6.

No stories through George's line tell us the name of the family who Fred lived with.

Sources

1. ↑ "United States Census, 1930", database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X474-SL7 : Wed Oct 04 01:12:34 UTC 2023 : accessed 14 Jan 2024), Entry for Homer A List and Maud M List, 1930.[Residence: 1994 Aberdeen Avenue, Columbus, Franklin, Ohio]
2. ↑ "Ohio, County Marriages, 1789-2016", database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XD27-87W : 29 September 2021), Henry D. Hubbard and Mary E. Moore, 1891.
3. ↑ "United States Census, 1910," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGDS-4FT : accessed 6 July 2023), Henry D F Hubbard, Avalon Ward 1, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 3, sheet 12B, family 293, NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1982), roll 1292; FHL microfilm 1,375,305.

See Also

• "Genealogical and Personal History of Western Pennsylvania" Vol. 2 pg 893-894 (https://archive.org/details/genealogicalpers02injord/page/n479/mode/2up?q=hubbard : accessed 8 Feb 2024) [Harvey Hubbard, Henry Hubbard, Alice Metheny, Claud, Fred, George, Harry, Minnie E Moore, Helen Emelie, Mary Grace, Dorothy Moore, Florence Carol, John De Forest. No sources are cited within these biographies; No name of person submitting biography. Use as hints for further research.] ; Jordan, John W. Genealogical and Personal History of Western Pennsylvania, Vol. 2 (Lewis Historical Pub. Co., New York, 1915, p. 893-94)

• Henry De Forest Hubbard, Avalon, Pa. in "Specifications and Drawings of Patents, 21 Mar 1905" (https://www.google.com/books/edition/Specifications_and_Drawings_of_Patents_I/jZpMAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=henry%20hubbard%20avalon%20pennsylvania&pg=PA2378&printsec=frontcover : accessed 8 Feb 2024) [785.170 Vehicle-Wheel Tire. Henry De Forest Hubbard. Avalon, Pa. filed Dec 30, 1903. Serial No. 178.161. Witnesses: Albert A. Mantell., James McC. Miller.
• Henry D Hubbard. Avalon, Pa. in "Annual Report: 1906 (1908), USA Patent Office 1908" Page 233 (https://www.google.com/books/edition/Annual_Report/Vukcy1MA0l4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=henry%20hubbard%20avalon%20pennsylvania&pg=PA233&printsec=frontcover : accessed 8 Feb 2024) USA Patent Office 1908 [Henry D Hubbard. Avalon, Pa., Friction-Clutch No. 822.454, June 5, 1906. Monthly Vol 426, Dr'g 87-8, Official Gazette 122, Dr'g 1817]
• Henry Hubbard in "The Pittsburgh Press, Aug 27, 1907, Pg 1, Tells Story of the Fatal Ride in Automobile" (https://books.google.com/books?id=hLsaAAAAIBAJ&lpg=PA1&dq=%22henry%20hubbard%22%20pennsylvania&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=%22henry%20hubbard%22%20pennsylvania&f=false)[Henry Hubbard, Residence: 522 Florence Avenue, Avalon (Allegheny, Pennsylvania).