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Bart Jaski chart #60 - Ireland DNA Team profiles

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This is a portion of a conversation I had with a colleague Dec 2021. He is my mentor and I attempted to explain my reasoning to his queries.

My interpretation of Dr. Jaski’s table #60 and comparable annalist references suggest; while Daui Tengae Umai, Eóchád Tírmchárna, and Brion Fergna were indeed the ‘originators’ of the Ui Briuin clan ‘nomenclature’, those differentiating clan names (Seola, Ai, Breifne) did not take place until the 7th century. Interestingly, three of these contemporaries, (brothers) Fergus mac Rogallaig and Cellach mac Rogallaig, along with Cenn Faelad mac Colgu, seem to have some sort of ‘friendly’ genealogical link. Muiredach Muillethan mac Fergus is consistently excluded.

1. “How to explain the almost universal genealogy of Fergus's 3 sons, Dau Tengae Umae, Eóchád Tírmchárna, and Fergnóe, which cannot be correct IF the Uí Briúin Aí did descend from Eóchád Tírmchárna? “

• O'Flaherty related traditions of Saint Patrick visiting the sons of Brión in Maigh Seóla. The confusion surrounding the location of Mag Selce as mentioned in the “Tripartite” caused Nicholls to suggest that the geographical origin of the Uí Briúin was moved for political reasons to near Cruachan by the time of Tírechán*. O’Hagan concluded that Tírechán was probably from a wealthy, elite family sometime in the 650’s, suggesting the combined Ui Briuin original territory was in Maigh Seola @600AD.
• Knox points out, these kings were distinguished at an early date from the Síol Muireadaigh of central Roscommon in the Book of Rights, suggesting that the lands of the Uí Briúin Seóla were the original "Hy Briuin". This also implies the ‘Ui Briuin’ were still unified in the mid 7th century, unrelated to Síol Muireadaigh.
• “The Síl Cellaig contested the kingship of Connacht with the Síl Muiredaig and Síl Cathail throughout the 8th century.” (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellach_mac_Rogallaig). Again, the Síl Muiredaig and Síl Cathail seem disassociated from the Ui Briuin, including Sil Cellaig.
• This is by no means a definitive time frame, however, up until @ 650AD, kings were only called ‘Ui Briuin’. Afterward they are specified as:
  1. Ui Briuin Ai (Fergus mac Rogallaig - 654)
  2. Ui Briuin Seola (Cenn Faelad – 682)
  3. Uí Briúin Sil Cellaig (Cellach mac Rogallaig – 705)
  4. toss in the probably unrelated Síl Muiredaig/Síl Cathail (Muiredach Muillethan - 702)
• The Maigh Seóla origin scenario is consistent with the fact that early Uí Briúin kings (e.g. Cenn Fáelad mac Colgan and Cellach mac Rogallaig) had their residence on Loch Cime even though at this time it was not necessarily specified as 'Maigh Seóla', similar to Uí Briúin 'Mag nAí' and Uí Briúin 'Bréifne' until the Ui Briuin became the dominant force in Connacht in the 7th and 8th centuries.

2. “If R1b-FGC5939 did not originate from Eóchád Tírmchárna, then who did it originate from?”

• I think it WAS Eóchád Tírmchárna. I am guessing for now, dates are placeholders; just spit-balling; possibly?:
  1. (@ 470AD) Eóchád Tírmchárna (FGC5939)
  2. (@ 500AD) Aed mac Eóchád Tírmchárna (FGC5939+)
  3. (@ 530AD) Uatu mac Aed (FGC27678)
  4. (@560AD) Ragallach mac Uatu (FGC27678+)
  5. (@590AD) Cellach mac Ragallach (FGC36500)
(I am nearly finished with a rough template to calculate mutation dates across various genealogies.)

3. “Why are the supposed Síl Muiredaig Cland Maíl Rúanada not R1b-BY18120+, with the O’Conors, but are R1b-FGC5939+ instead?”

• As we have discussed before, this was a ‘paste’ back into the Ua Conchobar genealogy, possibly coinciding with Maelruanaidh making a deal where, in return for abandoning any claim to the provincial kingship, he would be given Moylurg @956AD. (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A1el_Ruanaid_M%C3%B3r_mac_Tadg)
• The divergence in DNA/genealogy could begin with @ Muiredach Muillethan and the Sil Muiredaig being inserted to claim Ui Briuin Ai ancestry @ 702AD as they attempted to obscure Cellach, Forggus, and finally Colla in 796AD.

4. "Why are the Uí Briúin Aí Síl Cellaig listed as living around Loch Cime, which is the seat of the Uí Briúin Seóla Muinter Murcháda?"

• Early Uí Briúin kings (e.g. Cenn Fáelad mac Colgan and Cellach mac Rogallaig) had their residence on Loch Cime. Again, while this is considered ‘Maigh Seóla’ territorially, it is probable the hostile division of the Ui Briuin in the 7th century forced each clan outward from their original ‘Seola’ lands into their eventual historical regions by @ 800AD.

This is a working theory.





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