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This is a Draft Proposal for the Irish Roots Project

Currently working on draft submission to Categorization Project for review Crawford-15512 12:48, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

The purpose of this category and name review is to develop a Location Category Structure and Naming Standard for the Irish Roots Project.

At this time, there are a number of duplicate categories. There are also a number of unnecessary levels in categorization. While categories can have more than one parent category, they cannot have a second parent category within the same branch. This create loops in the structure, which many of the current categories do.

One category that I know everyone can agree on is Ireland; so Ireland will be the Top-Level Category for all location categories used by the Irish Roots project.

Irish Roots would have a parallel category, under which all non-location theme categories would be nested. There is an existing Irish Roots category that will be used as the Top Level Category for all Theme related categories used by the Irish Roots project. Its parent categories will be: Ethnic Roots Projects and European Projects.

The two branches of the structure will interweave with each other in many areas, in particular, with the County sub-projects.

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Naming Format for Irish Categories

  • County level categories should all be named: County X e.g., County Mayo; County Antrim; County Armagh, etc. (do we have group consensus?)
YES Crawford-15512 16:16, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Meredith-1182 12:28, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Anderson-23510 15:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Alexander-9260 17:38, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Willis-3076 17:38, 8 April 2019
NO Kerr-1312 03:28, 128 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Mulligan-986 07:23, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


  • Civil Parish categories should all be named: X Civil Parish, County X e.g,: Seagoe Civil Parish, County Armagh, etc.
YES Crawford-15512 14:13, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Meredith-1182 12:28, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Anderson-23510 15:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Alexander-9260 17:38, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Willis-3076 17:38, 8 April 2019
NO Kerr-1312 03:28, 128 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Mulligan-986 07:23, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Townland categories should all be named: X Townland, X Parish, County X e.g.: Balteagh Townland, Seagoe Parish, County Armagh, etc.
YES Crawford-15512 14:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Meredith-1182 12:28, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
NO Anderson-23510 15:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Alexander-9260 17:38, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
NO Willis-3076 15:18, 8 April 2019
NO Kerr-1312 03:28, 128 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Mulligan-986 07:23, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Towns and Cities should be named: Town or city name, County X e.g,,: Armagh, County Armagh. (do we have group consensus?)
YES Meredith-1182 12:28, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Crawford-15512 12:49, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Anderson-23510 15:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Alexander-9260 17:38, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
YES Willis-3076 17:38, 8 April 2019
NO Kerr-1312 03:28, 128 April 2019 (UTC)
YES:Mulligan-986 07:23, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Location Category Structure

Example Structure - This location hierarchy would eliminate multiple placements of the same category. When someone uses the 'Category Picker' on a profile, it will show the relevant category without needing to understand where it is placed. This is what we think it might look like:

  • Europe (en)
    • Ireland
      • Irish Roots Project(to include Irish History)
        • Provinces of Ireland
          • Connacht Province of Ireland
        • Baronies in Ireland
          • Barony Name, County Name
        • Poor Law Unions in Ireland
          • Poor Law Union Name, County Name
      • County Galway
        • Civil Parishes in County Galway
          • Civil Parish Name, County Galway
        • Townlands in County Galway
          • Townland Name, Civil Parish Name, County Galway (to keep things consistent)
        • Towns in County Galway
          • Town Name, County Galway
    • Northern Ireland
      • 6 counties located in Northern Ireland (1921 to today)

Each County would be connected to it's Province via a link, with only the Counties connected to the top level category. There will be numerous duplicate names to contend with. These are addressed by using the civil parish in the Townland category name. For example: Balteagh Townland, Seagoe Parish, County Armagh. Category InfoBoxes will be used to deal historical locations using the Timeline feature. Crawford-15512 14:24, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Links will be used to connect categories that are used in multiple category branches via a Counties of Ireland space page. For example: The Ireland category page (and any other page that requires access to County categories) would have a statement like: Click to see a list of [[:Space:Counties in Ireland| Counties in Ireland]]. Crawford-15512 12:42, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Other Projects that need to connect with Irish Roots categories will be coordinated through the Multi-Project Categories Team. This will allow for collaboration in determining the proper placement and name format for categories. Crawford-15512 14:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Location category structure should coordinate with England/Wales/Scotland/Scandinavia/France & Spain, because Ireland has a large number of profiles whose activities move between many countries (Vikings/Anglo-Normans/Irish diaspora etc.) Valerie (Willis-3076)

Implementation Planning

The proposed categories are being laid out county by county, parish by parish. See the head page giving the County links here. Teams will be set up for the implementation process, so please contact Amy Gilpin and let her know which area you want to work on when the time comes.

Theme Category Structure - Now Under Discussion

Theme category structure should coordinate with all other category structures because Ireland has a large number of profiles whose activities are relevant to several countries eg. military, religion, political (esp. England) - in other words, an English politician active in Ireland should be equally accessible via the Ireland cat. tree & the England cat. tree. Valerie (Willis-3076)

Theme Category Structure

  • Irish Roots Project (with Ireland and Ethnic Roots Projects, as parents)
Space:Irish Roots Theme Category Structure Sandbox

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Totally agree with the county/parish/townland breakdown of location categories. Unfortunately DED's used in the census do not correlate with the parish, but the townlands are correct. The parish name can be found on Form N.

Province/Barony /poor law union have less relevance

posted by Miriam Duffy
Effective today, April 25, 2019, the category review for the draft proposal for Location categories is complete. Please DO NOT make any changes to this page. We will be moving on to the project/theme category structure review shortly.
posted by Amy (Crawford) Gilpin
It might also behove the dissenters to consider that these categories are for classification and not to look pretty. In addition as far as the profiles are concerned they are now at the bottom of the page so more than likely will rarely be seen.
The clarifying words can hardly be considered superfluous. They have a distinct and necessary purpose. It has been my experience as a programmer that we tend to make an assumption that others know what we mean. Often they do not. As far as the word counties go yes there are 32 counties and officially the title of the 26 in Eire is COUNTY Mayo, Galway etc.
As a programmer, I don't like superfluous words. I think all naming conventions should be:

Townland/Town/Civil Parish, County e.g. Seagoe, Armagh Armagh, Armagh

There are 32 Counties, we don't need the word "County". I agree with Valerie Willis, I find it clumsy. Valerie

posted by Valerie Kerr
My no vote for "Townland categories should all be named: X Townland, X Parish, County X" is only because I find it clumsy - but that is only personal, I can see that this arrangement can be helpful to people not familiar with Ireland.
posted by Valerie Willis
I tend to focus on how I search for records. In the Carrowcastle example:
  • In the RC church records it would be under Kilgarvin parish (note the spelling of the parish name) - where you will find it at registers.nli.ie
  • In the census I would find it under Sallymount, District Electoral Division
  • In the civil registration records it would be under Ballina registration district (aka Poor Law Union)
  • In the Register of Deeds it would be under Gallen.

...and if you want to google it type in Bofield!

posted by John Falvey
Try copying and pasting the link I just sent by PM. Fingers crossed
posted by Amy (Crawford) Gilpin
Hang on and I'll try again
posted by Amy (Crawford) Gilpin
Tried discord using the link Amy sent and it doesn't work - just get a "pretty" background and no text or anthing to interact with.
posted by Ray Hawkes