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Knights Templar Genealogy Legends

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The Legends

The Knights Templar were formed in the Kingdom of Jerusalem by Hughes de Payens. He was a real man with a real genealogy, but the attractiveness of his life and the order he founded has led to a number of false genealogies as well from would-be descendants.

Questionable Ancestral Line for Hughes de Payens

The following names appear to be a supposed ancestral line for Hughes de Payn, founder of the Knights Templar. In fact, his ancestry is currently unknown. This line of descent is being researched to see if any documentable facts for any of them can be found. Additional discussion may be found at Space: Knights Templar Genealogy Legends

  1. Thibault de Payen, supposedly born France 1001 and died England 1086.
  2. Tybaud The Moore Gardille de Payen, born Normandy 1012 and died Normandy 1064, married Catherine X, no surname, no dates or places.
  3. Tibaud de Payen, born Normandy 1035 and died England 1094, married Elizabeth X, no surname, born 1038 and died 1092, location unknown. He had a sister named Adelaide de Payen Languedoc who is similarly unsourced and quite possibly unsourceable.
  4. Hugh de Payen, born 1070 in France and died 1131 in England, and married to Catherine St Clair is the same person as Hughes de Payens, the founder of the Knights Templar, who actually married Elizabeth de Chappes.

Questionalble Line of Descent 1: The Paynes of Market Bosworth

John Payn, born 1420 is the earliest profile for which there is confident documentation as of October 17, 2018. Confidence in the existence of the following ancestors of John Payn is being sought as an alternative to marking their existence questionable or disproven:

  • Thomas I Paine, born 1145, alleged son of Hugh de Paven, supposedly the founder of the knights Templar, and Catherine St Clair. Birth place shown as Market Bosworth, Leicestershire.
  • Thomas Paine II, born 1170. Birth place shown as Market Bosworth, Leicestershire.
  • Thomas Paine III, born 1200. Birth place shown as Market Bosworth, Leicestershire.
  • Thomas Payne IV, born 1245. Birth place shown as Market Bosworth, Leicestershire.
  • Thomas Payne V, born 1285. Birth place shown as Market Bosworth, Leicestershire.
  • Thomas Payne VI, born 1327. Birth place shown as Somerset.
  • William Payne, born 1347, Birthplace shown as Yorkshire.
  • John Payne, born Norwich, Norfolk, 1385

In addition to the lack of any other documentation, the variance of birthplace without explanation from generation to generation is a source of suspicion. In addition, while there was a family of Paynes in Market Bosworth as shown in the Visitations, those shown here preceded by Visitation records by one or more centuries.

Knights Templar and Sinclair Family

Philip Coppens' 2011 work provides an excellent survey of the Knights Templar legends affecting the Sinclair family in Scotland. [1]

The Sinclair Legends are especially interesting because of their association with the Roslin Chapel.

Doug Straiton's Discussion Paper

See Space:Discussion_Paper_Sinclair_of_Roslin


  1. Philip Coppins. The Stone Puzzle of Rosslyn Chapel E-book. Copyright Philip Coppens, 2011. Accessed October 17, 2018 jhd

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