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Note - The info on this page was previously on Space:Awbrey_Magna_Carta_Trail, which has been updated to take advantage of the new app Chase Ashley created (see the app here.

Welcome! This page is a workspace for collaborators on the Awbreys of Virginia to figure out the best option for a trail to a Magna Carta Ancestor (see below). Because the Virginia Awbrey immigrants (Henry, John, and Thomas) are not documented by Douglas Richardson, they are considered "Questionable Gateway Ancestors" by the Magna Carta project, which has also flagged several connections as uncertain for lack of primary sources. Although significant circumstantial evidence has been collected and posted to the WikiTree profiles for them and their ancestors, primary sources are sought so that the project will allow them to drop the "Questionable" and be accepted as "Gateway Ancestors".
First step: What trail to work on?
Click the links below to see what WikiTree's Relationship Finder returns as trails for the Virginia Awbreys (the links use John's profile to find the relationships, but the trail would be the same for his brother Henry).

Relationship Finder (RF)

SuretyRF Trail
Bigod-2Bigod, Roger
Bigod-1Bigod, Hugh
Clare-651Clare, Richard
Clare-673Clare, Gilbert
De Vere-309De Vere
Some of the trails returned by the RF include "uncertain". So, regardless of which trail is chosen, primary sources for the following would be great:
The History of Parliament Online includes references to primary sources for some of the information in its biographies, which include

Suggested Trail

I think the best trail to work on would be to Thomas Berkeley (whose profile has already been reviewed/badged by the Magna Carta project).

Immigrant Ancestors

Henry Awbrey and John Awbrey, sons of William Awbrey (named in William's will) and his wife Elizabeth Johnes (also named in the will).

Elizabeth (Johnes) Awbrey, mother of Henry and John Awbrey

proofs for Elizabeth Johnes:
father, Sir Thomas Johnes:
mother, Jane Puleston:
marriage to Sir William Awbrey:

Sir Thomas Johnes, father of Elizabeth Johnes

proofs for Sir Thomas Johnes:
father, Henry Johnes:
mother, Elizabeth Herbert:
marriage to Jane Puleston:
daughter Elizabeth Johnes:

Elizabeth Herbert, mother of Thomas Johnes

proofs for Elizabeth Herbert:
father, Mathew Herbert:
mother, Mary Gamage:
marriage to Henry Johnes:
son Thomas Johnes:

Mathew Herbert, father of Elizabeth Herbert

proofs for Mathew Herbert:
father, Sir George Herbert:
mother, Elizabeth Berkeley:
marriage to Mary Gamage:
daughter Elizabeth Herbert:

Elizabeth Berkeley, mother of Mathew Herbert

proofs for Elizabeth Berkeley:
father, Thomas Berkeley, Esq.: Douglas Richardson's Royal Ancestry, Vol II, p 594
mother, Elizabeth Neville: Douglas Richardson's Royal Ancestry, Vol II, p 594
birth: before 1501 (based on death of Thomas Berkeley in 1500, from Royal Ancestry, Vol II, p 594)
marriage to Sir George Herbert: Douglas Richardson's Royal Ancestry, Vol II, p 594
son Mathew Herbert:

Thomas Berkeley, Esq., father of Elizabeth Berkeley.

Thomas is documented by Douglas Richardson's Royal Ancestry and his trail in WikiTree to Magna Carta Surety Baron Saher de Quincy has been reviewed/approved by the Magna Carta project.
From Richardson's Royal Ancestry, Vol II, p 594: Thomas Berkeley, Esq., married Elizabeth Neville before 1 July 1491 and had by her one son, John, and four daughters: Lora, Anne, Elizabeth (wife of George Herbert, Knt.), and Alice. See his profile for additional sources.

Elizabeth Neville, mother of Elizabeth Berkeley.

Elizabeth is also documented by Richardson and has had numerous trails reviewed/approved by the Magna Carta project, based on the categories her profile is included in: Bigod-2 Descendants, Bigod-1 Descendants, Clare-651 Descendants, Clare-673 Descendants, Clavering-13 Descendants, Lacy-284 Descendants and, like her husband, Quincy-226 Descendants.

Other options:

Immigrant Ancestors (Generation 20)

Henry Awbrey and John Awbrey, sons of William Awbrey (named in William's will) and his wife Elizabeth Johnes (also named in the will).
Where from there - William or Elizabeth? Or both?

Generation 19: William and Elizabeth (Johnes) Awbrey, parents of Henry and John Awbrey (see Elizabeth Johnes in previous trail)

proofs for Sir William Awbrey:
father, Edward Awbrey:
mother, Joan Havard:
marriage to Elizabeth Johnes:

Generation 18: Edward and Joan (Havard) Awbrey, parents of Sir William Awbrey

proofs for Edward Awbrey:
father, William Awbrey:
mother, Wilgiford Millicent Williams:
marriage to Joan Havard:
son Sir William Awbrey:
proofs for Joan Havard:
father, William Havard:
mother, Anne Vaughan:
marriage to Edward Awbrey:
son Sir William Awbrey:

Generation 18: Thomas and Jane (Puleston) Johnes, parents of Elizabeth Johnes

(see Sir Thomas Johnes in previous trail)
proofs for Jane Puleston:
father, Roland Puleston:
mother, Annes Griffith:
marriage to Sir Thomas Johnes:
daughter: Elizabeth Johnes

Generation 17... what path to follow?

a parent of Edward Awbrey
William Awbrey or
Wilgiford Williams
or a parent of Joan Havard
William Havard or
Anne Vaughan
or the father of Thomas Johnes (see mother Elizabeth Herbert in previous trail) or
Henry Johnes (marked with uncertain mother) or
or a parent of Jane Puleston
Roland Puleston or
Annes Griffith


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