Surnames/tags: magna_carta pre-1700 pre-1500
Magna Carta Project
- See also this project page.
- The Magna Carta Project either does or could co-manage with other projects all of the profiles within the scope of the Magna Carta Project. Therefore, not only does this page have a section with links to many of the projects we co-manage profiles with, but the following list also refers to other projects' pages (such as linking to the PGM Project's page for Anderson).
- Please note that the following are not generally considered primary sources. The ideal is to source genealogical facts to primary sources, although sometimes they can be wrong too.
As with all sources, mistakes are sometimes made, but the following generally are considered to be reliable.
- Douglas Richardson's works:
- Richardson's Royal Ancestry (see this source page for copy/paste-able citation/footnote format)
- Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd ed. (see this source page for copy/paste-able citation/footnote format)
- Anderson's Great Migration Series
Reliable Sources with Conditions
Visitations - range from primary source to possibly unreliable.
- The following comments are from G2G discussions:
- "The books themselves are compilations from the original manuscript(s), and they will have an extensive introduction discussing these sort of issues, and will often draw on other documentation. If you ever need to use the genealogies from a Visitation you must read the introduction to get a full understanding." (click here for full comment)
- "As for the veracity of the visitations, they were what was reported at the time of the visitation. So one in 1565 should be OK for the previous couple generations but not necessarily for earlier." (click here for full answer)
Cawley - Cawley's MedLands (online database; see this source page). An excellent source when an entry's facts cite primary sources, but they don't always. See this G2G answer for a good explanation of the problem. See also the (entry on the Pre-1500 Resource Page).
Richardson's Plantagenet Ancestry - For Magna Carta Project-managed profiles, this source is not recommended because the focus is on Plantagenet, not Magna Carta ancestry. Facts should be checked against Magna Carta Ancestry (2nd edition) and/or Royal Ancestry. Google Books has a copy available in snippit view online, so citations to PA can be useful by including a link to the page cited. See WikiTree's source page for Plantagenet Ancestry.
Bartrum - Peter Bartrum's work (available online through The Bartrum Project - 'An electronic Version of Welsh Genealogies AD 300-1500' by Peter Clement Bartrum) is an excellent source of information, but needs to be used with caution, especially as you follow the lineage back. Many of the people charted do not have any date(s) given, and generations are sometimes condensed. For details, see Darrell Wolcott's article, 'The Bartrum "Welsh Genealogies"' (accessed 1 August 2019).
- http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/ (ORTNCA). Marlyn Lewis's database, primarily based on Richardson's works. Facts citing reliable sources (such as Richardson) should be confirmed against those sources (see this project page for citation format).
- http://thepeerage.com/ (thepeerage.com). Darryl Lundy's database, primarily based on Burke's. Facts should be confirmed against Burke's and confirmed to other sources.
- Note that EuroAristo lists Burke's as unreliable (see below).
Find A Grave memorials can be problematic. Few pre-1700 memorials include tombstone photographs, which would be considered a reliable source (but not always - for instance, memorial stones erected long past the time of the person's death frequently are based on unreliable sources).
- US Southern Colonies Project Reliable Sources discusses this further.
- Note that EuroAristo lists Find A Grave as Unreliable.
Wikipedia articles can also be problematic. Genealogical information in an otherwise well-researched article may not be supported by a source at all or the source may be one that WikiTree would consider unreliable. When citing Wikipedia as a source for parent/child relationship(s), birth, marriage, and/or death information, please include not only a link to the Wikipedia article and date accessed but also the source(s) cited by Wikipedia for genealogical facts from the article.
Books and Databases (Magna Carta-specific and Colonist-specific):
- Roberts, Gary Boyd, Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants, [database on-line]. (Provo, Utah, USA: Ancestry Operations Inc, 2006). Original data: Roberts, Gary Boyd, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants, (Baltimore, Maryland, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004). If a lineage is in this book but it is NOT in Richardson, then it is not acceptable proof for profiles managed by the Magna Carta Project. (See also WikiTree's source page and Genealogical Library, limited preview.)
- Weis, Frederick Lewis and Sheppard, Walter Lee Jr., Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700: 8th Edition, (Baltimore, Maryland, Genealogical Publishing Co., 2009). If a lineage is in this book but it is NOT in Richardson, then it is not acceptable proof for profiles managed by the Magna Carta Project.
- Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots, [database on-line], (Provo, Utah, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006.) Original data: Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700. (Baltimore, Maryland, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004), Ancestry.com. If a lineage is in this book but it is NOT in Richardson, then it is not acceptable proof for profiles managed by the Magna Carta Project.
- Weis, Frederick Lewis, The Magna Charta Sureties, [database on-line], (Provo, Utah, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006). Original data: Weis, Frederick Lewis. The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999. If a lineage is in this book but it is NOT in Richardson, then it is not acceptable proof for profiles managed by the Magna Carta Project.
- Faris, David, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonists, database online, (Provo, Utah, USA: Ancestry Operations Inc, 2006). Original data: Faris, David. Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists, (Baltimore, Maryland, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1996). This database is useful for research, but is not acceptable as a source on its own.
- Database compilations:
- Tudor Place
- Online trees:
- Ancestry, MyHeritage, FamilySearch Pedigree Files, Geni, etc., are unreliable sources, although they may include clues or citations for a reliable source.
- Many sources commonly imported in gedcoms:
- The Puritan Great Migration Reliable Sources Page has an excellent collection with comments - see the Unreliable Sources section of the PGM Reliable Sources page.
See Other Projects' Pages Also
- Reliable: Anderson's The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III
- Unreliable: See also Category:Frauds_and_Fabrications
- Secondary Sources to Use With Caution: Family Genealogies
- See that page for links to appropriate pre-1700 project pages.
- For Virginia Project, see Virginia Sourcing Help and Virginia county space pages, clickable from this table. See also Sources-Virginia.
- See Puritan Great Migration Project Reliable Sources page (includes, for example, some information about Massachusetts sources)
- See New Netherland Settlers Project Reliable Sources page (includes sources for the New York area)
- Welsh Royals Project Reliable Sources (not yet developed)
- Reliable: Sources listed on Joe Cochoit's medieval genealogy page here.
- Unreliable: "Burke’s Peerage and Baronetage: This source is rife with errors and is not deemed reliable."
- Note: As of 5 August 2019, the EuroAristo Reliable Sources page covers all three of Richardson's works and the Lewis database (referred to as "Royal-Titled-Noble-Commoner website"). As noted above, the Magna Carta Project does not recommend the use of Richardson's Plantagenet Ancestry for Magna Carta Project profiles, as it is not specific to the project. The project also uses the formatting shown on the Source pages for Magna Carta Ancestry and Royal Ancestry, which is based on Elizabeth Shown Mills' Evidence Explained, over what is displayed on the EuroAristo page. For formatting for citations to Lewis's database, see this project page.
- Stemmata Robertson et Durdin, compiled by Herbert Robertson, (London, 1893), InternetArchive, database online, Creative Commons License: Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 2.5 UK: Scotland. page 102, Table 30. This source can be useful as a supplement to figuring out obscure relationships.
- McKechnie, William Sharp, Magna Carta a Commentary, database online, (Glasgow, Scotland, James Maclehose and Sons, 1914)
Selected WikiTree Source Pages
- Some of the following have been mentioned already, but are collected here for easy reference:
- WikiTree Source pages can be very helpful.
- The Complete Peerage (Cokayne)
- The Middle Ages
- Douglas Richardson's Ancestry Series
- Magna Carta Ancestry (Richardson)
- Royal Ancestry (Richardson)
- Medieval Lands (Cawley)
Working on Magna Carta Descendant Profiles?
- If you are working on profiles that are or will be in a Magna Carta Project trail (and, therefore, managed/badged by the project), please use the project's Checklist to develop and/or review the profile. For additional information, please also see the following project pages:
- Magna Carta Project 101 (about the project overall)
- Base Camp (about Magna Carta Project trails)
- Glossary (defining terms used by the project, such as a "badged trail")
- To make a suggestion for this source list, please post a comment on this page. For additions, include the source's full citation, appropriate links (e.g., WikiTree Source page, archive.org, FamilySearch, Google Books, and/or WorldCat links) & why you would put it in the section you're recommending for it. Thanks!
- ↑ For the record, primary sources are considered reliable. When using a primary source, you'll want to post enough details so that another researcher will be able to locate it. If it is online, please include the URL and the date accessed.
- ↑ The Magna Carta Project was created not long before the 800th Anniversary Celebration of Magna Carta to provide WikiTree with reliable profiles for the 25 surety barons and to work on cleaning up and linking profiles of the Gateway Ancestors documented in Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry to one of the 17 surety barons with descendants past the fourth generation. Magna Carta Ancestry (2011) and the more recent Royal Ancestry (2013) are the project's foundational references for its work. If you're working on Magna Carta profiles, please see the links (above) for more information.
The project uses both Royal Ancestry, which is more recent, as well as Magna Carta Ancestry because the latter is specific to the project and Google Books has a copy available in snippit view online. The WikiTree source page for Magna Carta Ancestry has a link to the Google Books copy and other information, in addition to the copy/paste-able footnote/citation formatting.
- ↑ See details on the Pre-1500 Resource Page (here).
- ↑ See the listing on Puritan Great Migration Project Reliable Sources page.
- ↑ 5.0 5.1 Information from Lewis needs to be verified against cited sources because of the citation style followed by Lewis (citations are at the end of a phrase or sentence, implying the citation is for all information given in the phrase/sentence when this is frequently not the case). One of the Magna Carta Project's maintenance categories, Needs Source Check, was created primarily for this reason, as WikiTree profiles created with information from Lewis's database have been found to attribute to Richardson information that is not in Richardson's works.
- ↑ See the Reliable Sources with Conditions section of the US Southern Colonies Project Reliable Sources page.
- ↑ See details and additional sources the EuroAristo Project considers unreliable on the EuroAristo Project Reliable Sources page.
- ↑ Please re-take the Pre-1700 quiz for a refresher (see this page), but user-submitted online trees are unreliable sources, although sometimes they cite reliable sources. You would want to cite both the online tree and the source it cites for a fact. The goal is both to provide information that might be used to find the source for a fact and to give enough information for someone reading the profile to assess the quality of the source. For example, a Family Search pedigree file (a user-submitted online tree) is an unreliable source, but it may cite an image for the person's baptism, which is a primary source. Some WikiTree members will cite only the image; others will cite both the pedigree file and the image.
(linked pages may not be current).
Reviewed: Noland-165 18:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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On 26 Aug 2019 at 13:42 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:
From Helen Ford's answer to a G2G post:
- I noticed that you used Freereg as a source on his fathers profile.
- If thats the same place you foud Henry's baptism I would use their citation as it hopefully gives a stable URL .Personally I would slightly amend it.
- Go to the record, press generate citation, choose wikitree. My variation would be to add son of John and Audrey after Henry Tillie in the citation
P.S. "Free Reg" is on England Project's Reliable Sources page (under Parish Records, which includes other useful links too).
On 4 Apr 2019 at 04:36 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:
On 25 Jan 2019 at 17:29 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:
On 25 Jan 2019 at 15:39 GMT Michael Cayley wrote:
1. Calendars of UK State Records. There are a number of these. Patent Rolls, Close Rolls, Feet of Fines, etc etc. Some but not all of them are on British History Online - https://www.british-history.ac.uk. These are referred to on the general pre-1500 resource page, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Pre-1500_Resource_Page, to which there is a link on the MC project reliable source page, and you may think that enough.
2. Original deeds and charters. There is too wide a range of them, in too many different places, some online, some not, to point to particular books or websites.