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=Debbi Hoag's Letter

Hi Scott,

Thanks for being ready to set off on the PIP Voyage with a member of the Review Team (your Voyage Guide). The goal of the Voyage is to demonstrate your skill in improving profiles to their most complete state using the community developed Guidelines (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:WikiTree_Help).

During the voyage, you will work on two 19th- or 20th-century (1800-1999) open privacy profiles from your Watchlist as explained on the PIP Voyage page (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Profile_Improvements_Voyage). Your Guide will review the profiles when you are ready, offer suggestions, and answer any questions you might have.

You can find a link to your Watchlist at the bottom of the My WikiTree menu (upper right quadrant of any WikiTree screen). Use the heading sort on your Watchlist page to sort by the oldest edit date, then choose a profile that needs improvement, has open privacy, and is linked to only open privacy profiles.

Reply to this message with the link to your first profile before you start working on it. Depending on how many Voyagers we are working with, it could take a couple of weeks to assign your Guide. Feel free to work on other profiles in the meantime. Once your Guide makes the first contact, go ahead and start working on the profile, asking questions as you go along and letting your Guide know when you are ready for the first review. Feedback can be provided in several ways, so be sure to let your Guide know if you have a preference. For instance:

- add a suggestion on the profile as an example - provide a link to a profile your Guide manages as an example - explain in text with or without examples

Incorporate the feedback into the profile and have it reviewed again when ready. When both you and the Guide feel the first profile is complete, repeat the process with the second profile. If the first two profiles you complete did not need merge or GEDCOM cleanup, a third profile will be provided for you to use while learning those skills.

After you have completed the Voyage, we strongly encourage you to continue working on at least one of your own existing (i.e. not newly created or adopted) watchlist profiles each week. Sometimes that will be as simple as reading the biography you have already written, and then fixing a typo or adding a newly found source. Other times, it may be a pretty extensive re-work. It will be your choice as to which profile and what you do. It needs to fit with your lifestyle and research focus, so we leave it open-ended.

What we are looking for is a steady improvement of all managed profiles. New records become available all the time, profiles get added which could be linked or might need to be merged, and we grow both as researchers and as knowledgeable users of WikiTree. I find that I can always make some kind of improvement to my weekly profile. Look at it as a way to keep your toes in your own genealogy. That can be important to avoid burnout if you become heavily involved in projects.

If this still sounds like your idea of fun, send me the URL of the first Watchlist profile you plan to work on. When a Guide is available, they will send an introductory email to you and you can get started. Until your Guide is assigned, let me know if you have questions. I look forward to working with you,


PS I've included your Wiki ID in the heading because Gmail insists on putting all participant's messages in one long thread if I don't make the headings unique.


2 Jan 2021: Email from Debi Hoag to choose a profile from my watchlist to begin the journey.
3 Jan 2021: Sent first profile URL to Debi. George Washington Martin. Waiting for a Guide to be assigned.

PIP Voyage Guide

  • Kathy | PIP Voyage Guide
  • Evans-3182
  • Email: kathy.normandin@gmail.com


  • George Washington Martin Profile

PIP Voyage

Hi Scott, Great job on the links to the children, and the Colorado Steelworks citation.

As far as Ancestry citations, yes both are to be included. If the viewer has an Ancestry account, they will find everything when they click the Record, as it opens Ancestry for them. The shared link just gets you that image.

Here's more information on Ancestry sourcing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BmHrVy9CkAETlUP9U2bDEOnfOQc1efzuH_GYzCYOq2c/edit and here a tool that creates the citation https://apps.wikitree.com/apps/clarke11007/ancite.php. The tool didn't work for me, but it taught me a lot about Ancestry Citations.

1900 Census: here is your citation: [1]

First, the problem with the link is that there is no space between the last word of the link "Source" and "Ancestry" But the main problem is that you are using a link, and not the Ancestry Record Template. I highlighted numbers needed, and after a while they just jump right out at you. So this citation should look like: Ancestry.com. 1900 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004; Year: 1900; Census Place: Van, Woods, Oklahoma; Page: 2; Enumeration District: 0241; FHL microfilm: 1241344 Ancestry Record 7602 #68351069 Ancestry Sharing Link

1900 census, when you said you had trouble finding it in Ancestry, I immediately went to FamilySearch, and the first record that popped up was this: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMGP-5L7 And, here is the citation for this source: "United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMGP-5L7 : accessed 29 January 2021), George W Martin, Van Township, Woods, Oklahoma Territory, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 241, sheet 2B, family 44, NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1972.); FHL microfilm 1,241,344.

The same thing happened with your 1910 census citation, so please fix that as well.

Now for your 1870 census citation, even though it may for a different family :) This is true for all 1870 census records from Family Search. Here is what you have: "United States Census, 1870", database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCJ2-GXS : 1 January 2021), Celia Matney in entry for Charles Matney, 1870.

The difference between the 1900 source and the 1870 source is incredible. Anyone can find the 1900 record at any site, because they have all the information. Not so with the 1870, not even a location! So, when you open the 1870 image, there is much more information to be had. The information at the top of the film shows United States Census, 1870 Kansas Douglas Willow Springs And, it is image 13 of 30. The image itself tells you it is page 13 When we go back to the record, there is more information above the citation. Household ID 98, Line 34

So the complete citation for 1870 would be: United States Census, 1870", database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCJ2-GXS : 1 January 2021), Celia Matney in entry for Charles Matney, 1870, Willow Springs, Douglas, Kansas. Household ID 98, Line 34. Image 13 of 30

The same thing happened with the 1920 census on Family Search. See if you can find the information for that record to make the citation complete. Repetitio est mater studiorum!!!! 😷

FindAGrave. Your third source, in the first paragraph, is the FindAGrave template. The template should be included in the complete citation. So, this is the citation from the bottom of the memorial for Zachariah: Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 29 January 2021), memorial page for Zachariah S. Martin (29 Sep 1820–2 Jul 1899), Find a Grave Memorial no. 84253826, ; Maintained by Simmons Family (contributor 47450990) Unknown.

Your citation should look like this. 1. First remove the link https://www.findagrave.com, but leave the accessed date. Then remove Find A Grave Memorial No. 84253826, and replace it with your template Find A Grave: Memorial #84253826, adding |sameas=no since this memorial is not George's. Complete, it looks like: Find a Grave, database and images (accessed 29 January 2021), memorial page for Zachariah S. Martin (29 Sep 1820–2 Jul 1899), Find A Grave: Memorial #.84253826, ; Maintained by Simmons Family (contributor 47450990) Unknown.

You are a good sport, Scott! I appreciate your quick responses and the fact that you are eager to learn.



I am impressed with the research you have completed on your family! I have reviewed George Washington Martin’s profile. (Martin-57023) and have a few items that need a little tweaking:

1. In the top data section of the profile, next to each fact are radio buttons: uncertain, certain, about/uncertain, etc. Based on your sources, all the facts should be checked off as ‘certain’. Either way, a box should always be checked next to every fact in this section.

2. In the first paragraph, remove the slash between October and 21

3. In the second paragraph, add Celia's maiden name, and when her profile is created, add link.

4. In the second paragraph, there is no source for their marriage, yet there is a source for it on George’s father Zachariah’s profile. Please add the source to George’s profile as well.

5. In the last sentence, add George’s age at death.

Now, for sources.

Source citations must contain: Who the information is about, What the information is, Where the source originated, Where the original source can be found, When it was found and used.

Let’s look at George’s parent's marriage, which you cite in the first paragraph. Your source is: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XXVM-72B Indiana, Marriages, 1810-2001. If that link gets broken, it would be difficult to find the source again.

Here's a screenshot of the record on Family Search


Notice in the lower right-hand corner, "Document Information" with a down arrow? Here what shows when you click it:


All you have to do is copy everything under "Citing this Record", and paste it in your sources, either with [2] tags right at the end of the second paragraph. This citation automatically creates a link to the record.

The correct citation answers all the source questions:

"Indiana Marriages, 1811-2007," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XXVM-72B : 10 February 2018), Zachariah S Martin and Nancy C Logan, 26 Oct 1843; citing Carroll, Indiana, United States, Marriage Registration, Indiana Commission on Public Records, Indianapolis; FHL microfilm 004203304.

Find A Grave https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Find_A_Grave You have two Find A Grave source entries in the last paragraph. One is just words, and the other source at the bottom is: Find A Grave: Memorial #64288640 The one you have used (the basic link) is done correctly, but since you state a fact in the biography “is buried at” you should use the proper full citation. Source citations are formatted automatically by Find A Grave. Look for the "source citation" link near the bottom of the memorial page, copy it, and paste it in your biography between [3]

In all following references you can just use this:

[4] Done this way, all subsequent footnotes for this same source will point to the same footnote at the bottom of the page. Note that " in the "birth certificate" example above is a quotation mark, not two apostrophes.

OK, the last item is Ancestry.com sources.

Preference is given to sources from free sites such as Family Search, so if you find the record there, use theirs. However, Ancestry has many proprietary databases. So here is how to correctly source from Ancestry.

All the Ancestry link templates should be used within a source citation giving information about the sources referenced on Ancestry.

Let’s start with your very first source in the first paragraph: “Early Members of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” This was not a very useful citation 😊. I first went to FamilySearch, but they didn’t have this online. So, I went to Ancestry, and found the database. Then I found the record for Zachariah. The original URL https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=5144&h=14520

This is what is in the Source Information box:

Source Information Ancestry.com. Early Members of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. Original data:

Black, Harvey B. Early Members of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. 6 vols. Provo, UT: Infobases, 1996. Private donor. This is a record, not an image, so I will use the record template. Ancestry Record 1234 #5678

For this record the template will look like Ancestry Record 5144 #14520

To put this all together:


Here’s one more example, and we can add a sharing link to this citation. 1910 Census, US Draft Cards under John R. Martin. The source you have is:


Here is the URL to the record: https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2238&h=13632085&tid=&pid=&queryId=dcc6e673e727bb9c4b8a5da839b240df&usePUB=true&_phsrc=PRY948&_phstart=success

And, the source box: Source Citation The National Archives in St. Louis, Missouri; St. Louis, Missouri; WWII Draft Registration Cards for Oklahoma, 10/16/1940-03/31/1947; Record Group: Records of the Selective Service System, 147; Box: 317 Source Information Ancestry.com. U.S., World War II Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.

Sharing Link To link to a public sharing link, type:

Ancestry Sharing Link

The first number after the pipe (|) is the number after "sharing" in the URL of the link, e.g.: https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/1234?h=5678.

The second number after the pipe (|) is the string that comes after "h=" in the URL of the link, e.g.: https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/1234?h=5678.

To find the Sharing Link on an Ancestry record, open the image. On the right side above the + sign, is the toolbox icon. Click that, Click the Share button and choose either Facebook or Twitter, it doesn’t matter if you have accounts with them or not. Their login box will pop up, just X it close. Behind the login box is the ancestry sharing URL. Copy that and paste it somewhere.



You need two pieces of data, the numbers right after the word sharing, and the code between the letter h and the ? With this URL, the sharing template looks like this: {{Ancestry Sharing||22733971| df670b }

To put this all together:


I am sure you will have plenty of questions, don't hesitate to ask!

~ Kathy | PIP Voyage Guide Evans-3182

Voyage Profiles

George Washington Martin

First Profile on Voyage: Martin-57023

Anne Erwin

Second Profile: Erwin-187

Hi Scott, I started a new email thread for your second profile. So, this means, Congratulations! Your first profile is complete!

OK, here we go for Anne:

In the Edit Data section at the top: Use the full place name for counties, states, provinces, départements, etc. Examples: Rhode Island, not RI;

Sources outside punctuation. All ref tags belong outside the punctuation. In the middle of a sentence, the citation belongs after the comma.

Primary and Secondary sources. Other genealogical websites may be used as references under See Also, but they are not a source. Please remove the [8]

Marriage to Henry source should be more complete:

You have


The citation should have the following information:


Wikipedia citations:

You have:

Attorney General of Alabama; Henry Hitchcock (1819); Wikipedia

Wikipedia pages all have a “Cite this Page” link in the left column. Scroll down and always use the Chicago Style

The proper citation is:

Wikipedia contributors, "Attorney General of Alabama," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Attorney_General_of_Alabama&oldid=988282153 (accessed January 28, 2021).

Encyclopedia of Alabama

Here’s your reference:


If you click the About EOA link, that page holds citation examples. Again, choose Chicago Style:

Here’s the citation:

Lewis Herbert J. "Jim", Birmingham, Alabama’, “Henry Hitchcock”; Encyclopedia of Alabama, 9 Mar 1007, http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/h-1095, accessed 28 Jan 2021

Find A Grave citations for others. If the Find A Grave memorial is not for the same person the page the citation is on, remember to add |sameas=no to the citations:


For daughter Caroline, in the Godfrey citation, the sharing link doesn’t go to Godfrey, it goes to DAR Lineage book. So, remove the sharing link from this citation. Sharing is for images, not records.

Under the children, you have Andrew born in 1831 in Alabama, and the next child is Pomeroy born in 1832 in Vermont, then Ethan born 1835 in Alabama. Either Pomeroy is not their child, or there is a story here that needs to be told.

1850 census, who are James and Elizabeth Bankhead? Please add a note to explain the relationship.

Anne’s death record, two citations, one is Ancestry sharing, which goes nowhere. Sharing is for images, not records.

DAR Lineage book, you need the Ancestry Record template as well as the sharing link. So add Expression error: Unrecognised word "record" template to the citations.

Let me know when you are ready for me to look at it again. ~ Kathy | PIP Voyage Guide Evans-3182

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