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John Lee, Esq.

Born 11 Mar 1690 in Colony of Virginia,map [uncertain]

Husband of Mary (Bryan) Lee — married [1723] [Nottaway Parish, Isle Wight, Virginia]

Father of

1. Edward Lee b. 1725 d. 1775
2. Robert Lee b. 1726 d. 1787
3. Barthania Elizabeth (Lee) Ingram b. 1727 d. 1794
4. Rachel Lee b. 1728 d.
5. Thomas Greenberry Lee b. 1729 d. 1816
6. John Lee Jr b. 1730 d. 1809
7. Mary (Lee) Ballanger b. 1731 d. 1797
8. Frederick Lee b. 1737 d. 1814
9. Sabray (Lee) Green b. 1742 d. 1795

Died 1767 in Mill Creek, Johnston County, Province of North Carolina

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Biography

John Lee married Mary W. Bryan in 1725 in Isle of Wight County, Virginia.

See: Source Citation for U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900, Source number: 1307.207; Source type: Family group sheet, listed as parents; Number of Pages: 1.

John Lee Esq. lived in Virginia in 1695, when tobacco was grown in fields in the state and plantation owners reaped the results. Note: Doc indicates birth in 1695. The doc that he lived in Virginia in 1695 is confusing and would imply an earlier date of birth. They had six children in 17 years. He was in North Carolina when farmers joined forces in a fight that would foreshadow the American Revolution. ^[1] He died on December 4, 1766, in Johnston County, North Carolina, at the age of 72. Note: Will filed Dec 4, 1766, proved 1768. Date given would indicate John Lee died on the day his will was filed however this is probably not the case.

John Lee was born on 11 Mar 1695 in Nansemond County, Virginia. Note: this documentation indicates John Lee Esq. was born at Nansemond, Virginia. John Lee of Nansemond is projected YDNA Haplogroup I1a. This is contradictory to YDNA information documented elsewhere in this biography.He married Mary Bryan in 1725 in Nottoway, Isle of Wight, Virginia.Template:Source Citation for U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900,Source number: 1307.207; Source type: Family group sheet, FGSE, listed as parents; Number of Pages: 1 He died on 4 Dec 1766 in Mill Creek, Johnston, North Carolina. ^{[citation needed]}

*Please note: Nansemond Virginia and Johnston County, North Carolina are the same territory. There were many territorial changes and renaming of counties during this time period. Added is the source records "Nansemond History" to this profile. This includes Surry County, Richmond, and Roanoke Valley areas.

Occupation: Esquire Note: John Lee came to Johnston County, North Carolina, then Craven County during the early 1740's.

It is estimated that John Lee Esq. died between 4 Dec 1766 and Feb 1768. On the earlier stated possible death date, John's will was written & witnessed by Richard C. Lee, Gilbird Hix and Samuel Smith Jr. John Esq Lee's will was executed by his two sons; Edward and John Lee.

Parents

This is being researched. Parents are unknown at this time

New Research on Parents

This research is ongoing

Also: There is a problem found recently with the male descent line from Col Richard Lee down to Gen R E Lee - the all male descent- that line which is being quoted as the Y-DNA Haplogroup M-253 that has been 'authenticated' ( because it is the Ditchley line which Gen Lee descend from two living male descendants tested and with documented pedigrees approved by the historical society) ... unfortunately there appears to be a NPE in THAT line, from preliminary research that IS on-going.

Because of this NPE - or disconnect in THAT line - all the other lines from COl. Richard Lee, such as John Lee, Esquire's line - are being quoted as not being related to or descending from him, Col. Richard Lee because of the unverified Y-DNA tests and results from the two living descendants from Gen Lee whose Y-DNA tests cannot be publicly verified and their DNA is not available on GEDMatch to compare.

But there have been other descendants from Gen Lee that have recently tested and uploaded their DNA onto public websites such as GEDMatch to make comparisons available. :)

Interesting enough, the male descendants of the Ditchley/Blenheim line from Col. Richard still match DNA with others descending from Col. Richard Lee when triangulation is done but through shared DNA from the female ancestors, such as Carter, Constable, Allen, Hancock, etc.,.

All of this independent research is in the process of being confirmed verified at this time and where the probable dis-connect may have occurred in the Ditchley/Blenheim line and still in the preliminary stages.

But on the other hand - fortunately many of Lee descendants from ALL of the lines descending from Col Richard Lee (and his ancestral Shropshire line descendants included) have uploaded their DNA test results - AU and Y-DNA - on to GEDMatch where comparisons, triangulations, and various reports (generation reports that can pin point common ancestor generation) can be run so that anyone with access can publicly verify.

Marriage

John Lee Esq. married Mary W Bryan who was born CA 1705.

See: Source Citation for U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900, Source number: 1307.207; Source type: Family group sheet, listed as parents; Number of Pages: 1. Many believe Mary was the sister of Needham Bryan. Needham's parents are known to be William and Alice "Macland" Bryan, and it is known they were the parents of a William, John, Mary and Alice Bryan also, citation needed It is possible that all of John Lee's children were born in Virginia before he migrated to the area of Craven County, North Carolina which would later become a portion of Johnston County.

Children

It is believed that most of John and Mary Lee's children were living at the time of his death and that they are named in John's will.

1. Robert Lee
2. Edward Lee
3. John Lee
4. Thomas Lee
5. Fredrick Lee
6. Elizabeth who married William Ingram
7. Rachel who married John Powell
8. Mary Lee
9. Sabray Lee who married John Green

Will of John Lee, Esq

His will also names his wife as Mary The date for settlement of Mary's estate has not been documented. However, in 1792, Thomas Lee was in the county to sell the home place.^{[citation needed]} The home place had been willed by John to his son, Thomas, upon the date of his wife Mary's death. At this time, Thomas Lee resided in Hawkins, Co., Tenn. and had lived there for appr. 20 years since about 1773. ^{[citation needed]}Thomas Lee and brother John had moved to Hawkins County, Tennessee around the same time. Both of these Lee brothers had large families before they died in Hawkins County, Tennessee. ^{[citation needed]}

Johnston County, North Carolina Wills, 1760-1830; Volume #2, Page #95, Johnston County Wills and Records at Raleigh, North Carolina, State Dept of Archives and History reads as follows:

"IN THE NAME OF GOD, I, John Lee, Johnston County & Province of North Carolina, being so at this time tollbery (tolerable) well in health and of sound mind and memory but calling to mind the mortality of the body and that it is appointed for all men once to die and ordain this my last will and testiment in manner and form following: That is to say first and princpally first all I commend my soul unto the hands of God that gave it. As for my body, I commend it to the earth to be burried in an decent manner at the discression of my executors. But regarding my worldly estate with which it has pleased God to bless me with, I dispose of in the following manner, viz: In the first place I desire that all my just debts and funeral charges be fully satisfied and paid. Imprimis I lend to my well beloved wife, Mary Lee, the plantation whereon I now live and all my personal estate for her to be possessed with and enjoy during her life or widowhood.

Item. I give and bequeath to my son Robert Lee one Negro boy named Seasser to him and his heirs forever.

Item. I give and bequeath to my son Edward Lee 100 acres of land more or less in the low grounds of the Neus River Whereon he has cleard a plantation joining John Lee Line and 100 acres called John Guion's (Green's) field and 75 acres on Mill Creek at the bridge, and one negro boy called Joel to him and his heirs forever.

Item. I give and bequeath to my son John Lee 200 acres land more or less in low grounds oif the River called Cow Bones and 100 acres in Bear Hill joining his own land and two negroes, called Charlie and Linn to him and his heirs forever.

Item. I give and bequeath to my son Thomas Lee after my wife's death or widowhood the plantation whereon I now live with the remaining part of the Low Grounds and 200 acres of land lying in the low grounds called Fredricks Lands and part of a tract of land called Trapnals Land it being the tract joining the plantation; it being divided by a line of marked trees beginning at a hickory tree at the mouth of Cypress Gut on the river and running by the line of makred trees to the back line and one negro man called Cuggo and a negro girl called Jenny to him and his heirs forever

Item. I give and bequeath unto my son Fredrick Lee one negro wench called Rachel to him and his heirs forever.

Item. (Here the line is not legible, as this is where the document has long been folded. The only words which can be read are;) and child called Buster to her and her heirs forever. (some have surmised that this is daughter Elizabeth, since she is not otherwise mentioned in any item; however Elizabeth died in 1753. Perhaps this item was left to one of her children other than Shadrack Ingram?

Item. I give and bequeath to my daughter Mary Ballenger one negro wench called Nice and the remaining part of the land called Trapnals Lands to her and her heirs forever.

Item. I give and bequeath to my daughter Sabra Green one negro girl called Bino and twenty pounds to be paid out of my estate to her and her heirs forever.

Item. I give and bequeath to my grandson Shadrack Ingram one plantation containing 200 acres of land more or less, joining Richard Ingrams line and John Lee's line and 300 acres of land lying on White Oak Swamp a branch of Mill Creek, and a negro girl called Junah to him and his heirs forever.

Item. I will that all remaining part of my personal estate after my wife's decease or widowhood to be equally divided amongst my children above named to be equally divided by my executors herin-after named and I do hereby appoint my son Edward and John to be my whole and sole executors of my last will and testament hereby revoking and disannuling all other or former wills and testaments by me before made.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF: I have hereto set my hand and affixed my seal this 4th day of Dec in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and sixty six. (1766)

Signed, Sealed and Delivered in the presence of:

Richard Lee, Gilbird Hicks and Samuel Smith Justice

There were errors in the interpretation of these signatures. I have attached a copy of the microfilm of John Lee, Esquires will.

Please note:

There was not a Richard C. Lee - clearly the signature is 'Richard Lee' at the "X' Mark, as was the way of signing documents at this time. (This Richard Lee was most likely the brother of John Lee, Esquire, who is Richard Henry Lee, II, Esquire, son of Richard Henry Lee, son of William Lee, son of Col. Richard Lee, being that it was a Will - most likely family).

Signature of Gilbird (prob. Gilbert) Hicks at the 'X'Mark for witness signature.

Signature Samuel Smith, Junior, (who father probably was John Smith, and sister was most likely Elizabeth Smith who married William Bryan in 1744/45 in Johnston County, for their property was adjacent to John Lee, Esquire, as JLX's wife was Mary Bryan, as Richard Henry Lee had neighboring property also. Note: See source added "Whitfield, Bryan, Smith and related Families").

These folks were all neighbors as the historic land maps indicate.

John Lee signed his signature at the X Mark indicated.

Note: is it significant that John Lee made a X mark instead of signing his name? That is incorrect, as John Lee signed his signature.

Attached is the microfilm of John Lee, Esquire's Will

Note: there were errors in the interpretation. John Lee signed his full name at the 'X' indicated, as was the way of signing documents at this time.

Note: daughter Rachel who married John Powell is not mentioned in John's will. Perhaps this is an incomplete transcription ?

I am attaching microfilm of JLX Will - Jacqueli Finley

Ongoing Research

This information will be verified and if applicable will be incorporated into the body of the profile biography. Information that is redundant or non-applicable will be removed from this profile

Johnston County, North Carolina records indicate that John Lee served on juries and helped "lay off' roads but the best records on him are the land transactions.

It is evident, there is not a complete record of his land holdings, or that he willed too much land. Land records indicate John Lee owned 1470 acres; while he willed an estimated 1779.^{[citation needed]}

John Lee Esq. was living in Nansemond County, Virginia during 1728, when Colonel Richard Byrd ran the line between Virginia and North Carolina. This line split John's plantation so that part of it was in North Carolina and part in Virginia. ^{[citation needed]} The same was true of lands owned by Godfrey Lee and Dr. Richard Lee; both whom resided near John Lee Esq. Note: this documentation would indicate the John Lee of this profile is the John Lee of Nansemond, Virginia whose descendants YDNA tested I1a, which directly contradicts documentation elsewhere that indicates John Lee Esq. descendants YDNA tested R1a. This is questionable and confuses the identity of John Lee Esq.

Note: See source "History of Nansemond"

John had owned several hundred acres in Nansemond County, Virginia but after 1728, the majority of his land became part of North Carolina. ^{[citation needed]} John Lee Esq. kept this land until around 1740, when he sold it and moved to Craven County, North Carolina which later (in 1746) became Johnston County. ^{[citation needed]}

John Lee had received land grants in Craven County, North Carolina on 26 Jul 1743 and never sold them; but deeded them to his children by deed or will. When this land was passed on to John's children, this land was on Mill Creek in Johnston County. ^{[citation needed]}

John had remained on this land until his death in 1766-1768. the old graveyard where John was probably buried had only fieldstone markers, and has long since been plowed under.

29 Oct 1720; among Roanoke River Settlers

1728 resided Nansemond County, Virginia ^{[citation needed]}

early 1740's moved to Craven, North Carolina (became Johnston, North Carolina in 1746)^[2]

Notes for John Lee Esq.:

This was where his will was probated, per Kay G. NC records of numerous land transactions. His will shows that he was a slave owner. From "John Lee Esq. of Johnston Co, NC & some of his descendants, May 1975", copy on file in Burkett/Lee file folder. NC Archives #27602, Oct. 29, 1720, lists John Lee among the "Roanoke River Settlers, 1720".

Per Jacqueli Finley: There were errors in the interpretation of this Will previously presented that is mentioned above

Change Date: 27 Jul 2002 at 16:03:55 Father: Richard LEE b: ABT 1677 in Surry Co., Virginia Mother: Mary YOUNG b: AFT 1679 in Virginia Marriage 1 Mary BRYAN b: 1704 in Isle of Wight, Virginia Married: ABT 1725 in Virginia ^{[citation needed]}

More About John LEE Esq.:

Ancestral File Number: 4GQZ-P0

Burial: Johnston county, North Carolina

Christening: Isle of Wight Co., Virginia

Record Change: 04 Sep 2006

Lee Genealogy

Lee Lineage, Stories & History - Beginning with Count Rollo or Rolf the Viking

*Source: Below paragraphs are taken from the book: Genealogy of WILLIAM LEE 1 of England And of Virginia and His Descendants - By: Elizabeth Hoyle Rucker in 1945

Historical Sketch of the Lee Family of South Carolina, Virginia, England, France and Norway"

"The family of Lee has more men of merit in it than any other family," wrote John Adams (second President of the United States) in the year 1779. The record of the LEE family has consistently been one of Leadership, Integrity, and high Courage since the Lees came first to Virginia in the early part of 1600. It is no exaggeration to say that the LEES have been "the most representative family of the South." The life that developed in Virginia, the political rule, and social dominance of a few rich plantation families-was unknown elsewhere in the colonies, EXCEPT IN ARISTOCRATIC OLD SOUTH CAROLINA. The extent to which this system contributed to the birth of our Nation is set forth in his comprehensive and illuminating volume, "The Lees of Virginia" by Burton J. Kendricks, who tells the complete story of the Virginia Lees for the first time.

Our branch of the Lee family only lived in VA for a short period of time, arriving from England then moving to NC about 150 years later. We are not normally considered part of the 'famous VA Lee's' which primarily includes General Robert E. Lee. However we are cousin's and share the same heritage and prominence in colonial America. Our line split from his with John Lee, 1530 in England. Our branch was part of the early famous VA Lee's in early colonial America. In the future I will include details and history notes. Note: the Lee line that Gen Robert E. Lee comes from has been YDNA tested I-M253. Contradictory documentation contained in this bio indicates the Haplogroup of the John Lee Esq. of this bio is both R-M269 and I-M253.

Obviously there is an error of mistaken identity, an NPE, or faulty genealogy. More research is needed.

Where It began…………….

Rollo, Rou or Rolf was a Norse Chieftain of the Scandinavian Peninsula, from which the Vikings drove their boats over the rough North Sea. (Scandinavia is a name applied in a restricted sense to the Peninsulas of Norway and Sweden). In an historical sense, Scandinavia includes Denmark and Iceland and in a literary sense, besides these, the intellectual productions of the Swedish race in Finland).

In 900-One thousand and one hundred and three years ago - this Northman went into northern France along the English channel, and took the north-west section-extending from Belgium along the channel to Brittany, and including the Cherbourg Peninsula, extending inland about 100 miles.

In 911 Rollo was granted by King Charles, the Simple, of France, the possession of Rouen, for his Capital, and the adjacent territory which Rollo had already seized. This is the Normandy of today-where our American boys landed on D-Day, June 6, 1944.

With William, now called "the Conqueror," came one Hugh De Lega and Gilbert De Venables, relatives, who fought so valiantly with William that they each were given an estate in Essex (Eastern England). The Lee name was spelled Lee, Lea, Leigh, de Lega and de Lee.

The Lee Family of Stanton, Roden and afterwards of Langley and Coton Hall, Salop, IS stated in Burke’s Baronetcies to be one of the oldest in England.

Ok, now we start the list:

When the family moved, a notation is made.*

Rollo, Rou, or Rolf the Viking abt 900

Robert, Duke of Normandy

Richard the 1st, Duke of Normandy

Hugh De Lega, granted land in Essex (eastern England) by William 'the conqueror' after defeating England*

Reyner le la Le

Reginald de la Lega, became Sir Reiner De Lega, Knight, abt 1200's

Sir John de la Le abt 1200's

Thomas de la Lee abt 1295

Reginald de la Lee abt 1321, Shropshire England*

John de Lee 1347

Roger de Lee 1376

John de Lee 1398

John de Lee 1430

Thomas de Lee 1482

Humphrey de Lee 1506

John Lee, Esq 1530, Colton Eng*Village in Shropshire

John Lee, Esq 1580 , Worcestershire Eng* Village of Essex

Richard Lee "the immigrant" 1613 Shropshire Eng d. 1664 Northumberland, VA, the colonies*

William Lee, Esq 1648 or 1651

Richard Lee, Esq 1670

John Lee, Esq 1690

and....

DNA test results for Mary Bryan wife of John Esq Lee: Mary Bryan reported by ysearch.org/JZK2D b 1706 Isle of Wight Co Va d 178.92 Johnson Co NC dau of William Bryan b about 1681 Isle of Wight and Alice McCloud m John Lee Esq b about 1705 Richmond Co Va d 4 Dec 1766 Johnston Co NC son of Richard Lee b about 1678 Surry Co Va d 10 Dec 1726 N Farnham Parish Richmond Co Va and Mary Young b about 1679 and grandson William Lee and Alice Felton great grandson of Richard Lee and Anne Constable Owen, ancestors of Gen. Lighhorse Harry Lee and Gen Robert E. Lee .......Source: www.multiwords.de/genealogy/bryan1.htm. Note: this pedigree is unsourced and of unknown accuracy. Robert E Lee projected Haplogroup is I-M253. ^[3]

and....

Brief history of John LEE, Esquire John Lee, Esquire (abbreviated JLX) was probably born in VA or NC around 1695 and is thought to have been among the Roanoke River Settlers in 1720. JLX's wife was Mary, who may have been the daughter of William and Alice (McLand) Bryan. JLX and Mary started their family on lands between the Roanoke and Tar rivers along Coneto and Conoho Creeks. Today, these lands would be along the borders of the NC counties of Halifax, Martin, Edgecome, and Pit. Several or all of John and Mary's children were born in the Roanoke region and records through 1744 most frequently list JLX as being of Edgecomb Co., NC.^{[citation needed]} By the 1740s, settlers were moving into lands in Johnston County- then known as Craven County. These immigrants included JLX who on 26 July 1743 received grants for 400 and 100 acres of land along the south bank of the Neuse River. ^{[citation needed]} Many of JLX's Conoho Creek neighbors such as Needham, John, and William Bryan also moved south to Johnston County prior to 1750. Court records detail JLX's various land holdings (over 1700 acres) in Johnston County and refer to his serving on juries, laying off roads, etc. John and Mary lived the remainder of their lives in Johnston County and raised at least nine children. John died between December 4, 1766 when his will was written in Johnston Co., NC, and February of 1768 when the will was probated. John's will names wife Mary, sons Robert, Edward, John, Thomas, Frederick; daughters Mary Ballanger and Sabray Green, grandson Shadrack Ingram. John's wife Mary probably died before 1780. ^[4]

U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970 http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=sarmemberapps&h=733958&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt

Find A Grave: Memorial #98353534  

Yates Publishing, U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 (Provo, UT, USA, The Generations Network, Inc., 2004) Birth: 1693 Virginia. Marriage: 1700

Will of John LEE, Esquire from Johnston County, North Carolina, Wills 1760-1830, Vol. II, page 95. Raleigh, North Carolina, State Dept. of Archives and History, Johnston County Records. Photocopy marked Lee-0011-001 to -004 *Microfilm of original Will of JLX is posted on this profiles media tag.

John "Esq" Lee was born in 1690 VA. He passed away in 1766 NC. John married Mary Bryan in 1705 NC.. Note: date of birth given elsewhere in bio as being 1695 *Source: Source Citation for U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900, Source number: 1307.207; Source type: Family group sheet, FGSE, listed as parents; Number of Pages: 1

http://www.leedna.com/dnaresults.php?id=138

237 John Lee Sr./Esq (bc1695, dc1767 NC) John Lee, Esq. (of Johns… RG* Z179708 60% 11(25)/-- R1b

288 William Lee (bc1651, d1696, North Cumberland,… Hugh Lee (of VA) FTDNA 149909 100% 0(25)/6 R1b…

Note: here the Haplogroup of John Lee Esq. is given as R1b,while bio documentation places his birth at Nansemond, VA. John Lee, of Nansemond is projected Haplogroup I1a. This inconsistancy is not addressed or explained in the profile documentation

Some have mistakenly linked John Lee, esq., to Richard Lee b ca 1684, h/o Mary Young. Results posted with the Lee Surname DNA Research Project disprove this supposition as the two are not even in the same haplogroup -- John is R1b1a2 and Richard is I-M253. Note: descendants of John Lee, born at Nansemond, Virginia test I1a (I-M253) Documentation in this profile indicates this John Lee Esq was born c.1695 at Nansemond, Virginia which makes the documentation and identity of this John Lee questionable. It appears that two John Lees are being confused in this profile. One is John Lee b 1695, Nansemond, Virginia, son of John Lee Sr., Y Haplogroup I-M253, and the other John Lee b 1690, said to be the son of Richard Lee, Y Haplogroup R-M269^{[5] [6]}

U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900

Name Mary Bryan

Gender Female

Spouse Name John Lee

Spouse Birth Place VA

Spouse Birth Year 1693

Marriage Year 1700

Number Pages 1

Household Members

Name Age

Mary Bryan

John Lee

Source number: 1307.207; Source type: Family group sheet, FGSE, listed as parents; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: . Note: this information and dates are inconsistant with documented facts. There are no verifiable sources given in support.' See below:

SOURCE CITATION: U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900Source number: 1307.207; Source type: Family group sheet, FGSE, listed as parents; Number of Pages: 1 (Please note: This is a legal historic citation source)

(dates as per findagrave)

U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1700s-Current

Name John Lee Sr

Birth Date 11 Mar 1695

Birth Place Virginia, United States of America

Death Date 4 Dec 1766

Death Place Johnston County, North Carolina, United States of America

Cemetery The Old Graveyard Field

Has Bio? Y

Father Richard Henry Lee

Mother Mary Lee

Spouse Mary W. Lee

Children Thomas Greenbury Lee

URL http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=98353534&ref=acom

U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970

Name Hon John Lee

SAR Membership 72404

Role Ancestor

Application Date 22 Mar 1950

Spouse Mary Lee

Children Thomas Lee

Household Members

Name Age

William Frederick Franke Jr

Velma Acton Wilson

William Frederick Franke Sr

Dulcenia Irwin Watkins

Paul Emil Franke

Zilpha Acton

Stephen Wharton Watkins

Reverend William Acton

Elizabeth Lee

Susan Bailey

Judge Needham Lee

Mrs Mary Rains

Captain Thomas Lee

Mary Lee

Hon John Lee

Ancestry.com

Will of John Lee Esquire: Johnston Co., NC Wills, Vol. 2, page 95:

To wife Mary, he left the homestead and all his personal property for her lifetime or widowhood. To Robert: one Negro boy named Seasser to him and his heirs forever. To Edward: 100 acres of land in and around the low grounds of the Neuse River adjoining the John Lee line, 100 acres in the low grounds called "John Green's field" and 75 acres on Mill Creek at the bridge. A Negro boy named Abel. (The 75 acres is near where the Battle of Bentonville would be fought) To John, jr.: 200 acres in the low grounds called "Cow Bones", plus 100 acres in Bearhill, a Negro boy Charles, and a Negro girl called Linn to him and his heirs forever.To Thomas: the home plantation at the death or widowhood of his mother Mary as well as 200 acres lying in the low grounds called "Trapnall Land," joining the plantation and located at the mouth of Cypress Gut on the river. Also a Negro girl called Jenny. To Frederick: a Negro called Rachel and Negro man called Cuggo. To daughter Eliazbeth Ingram: a negro girl and child, Bristor. To Elizabeth's son, Shadrack Ingram, his grandfather left 200 acres joining John Lee's line, 300 acres on White Oak Swamp and a Negro girl called Judah. To daughter Mary Ballenger: a Negro girl called Nice, and the part of Trapnall's Land not given to Thomas.To daughter Sabra Green: a Negro girl called Bine and twenty pounds. Before making his will, John Lee had deeded prperty to John Green and Sabra and Edward Ballenger and Mary. Executors: sons Edward Lee and John Lee Witnesses: Richard Lee, Gilbred Hix, Samuel Smith,jr. Signed: John Lee

Brief history of John LEE, Esquire John Lee, Esquire (abbreviated JLX) was probably born in VA or NC around 1695 and is thought to have been among the Roanoke River Settlers in 1720. JLX's wife was Mary, who may have been the daughter of William and Alice (McLand) Bryan. JLX and Mary started their family on lands between the Roanoke and Tar rivers along Coneto and Conoho Creeks. Today, these lands would be along the borders of the NC counties of Halifax, Martin, Edgecome, and Pit. Several or all of John and Mary's children were born in the Roanoke region and records through 1744 most frequently list JLX as being of Edgecomb Co., NC. By the 1740s, settlers were moving into lands in Johnston County- then known as Craven County. These immigrants included JLX who on 26 July 1743 received grants for 400 and 100 acres of land along the south bank of the Neuse River. Many of JLX's Conoho Creek neighbors such as Needham, John, and William Bryan also moved south to Johnston County prior to 1750. Court records detail JLX's various land holdings (over 1700 acres) in Johnston County and refer to his serving on juries, laying off roads, etc. John and Mary lived the remainder of their lives in Johnston County and raised at least nine children. John died between December 4, 1766 when his will was written in Johnston Co., NC, and February of 1768 when the will was probated. John's will names wife Mary, sons Robert, Edward, John, Thomas, Frederick; daughters Mary Ballanger and Sabray Green, grandson Shadrack Ingram. John's wife Mary probably died before 1780. Source: W. Johnston, et al., compilers, John Lee Esquire and Some of his Descendants. (1975) (available at Johnston Co., NC library in Smithfield, NC).

DNA test results for Mary Bryan wife of John Esq Lee: Mary Bryan reported by ysearch.org/JZK2D b 1706 Isle of Wight Co Va d 178.92 Johnson Co NC dau of William Bryan b about 1681 Isle of Wight and Alice McCloud m John Lee Esq b about 1705 Richmond Co Va d 4 Dec 1766 Johnston Co NC son of Richard Lee b about 1678 Surry Co Va d 10 Dec 1726 N Farnham Parish Richmond Co Va and Mary Young b about 1679 and grandson William Lee and Alice Felton great grandson of Richard Lee and Anne Constable Owen, ancestors of Gen. Lighhorse Harry Lee and Gen Robert E. Lee .......Source: www.multiwords.de/genealogy/bryan1.htm

http://www.multiwords.de/genealogy/bryan1.htm: DNA test results, connects John Esq Lee and Edward Lee

DNA Evidence

1. (JLN) John Lee of Nansemond, Virginia. YDNA Haplogroup I1a ^[7]

2. (JLX) John Lee Esq, YDNA Haplogroup R- 1b ^[8]

3. Gen. Robert E. Lee, Virginia Lees, YDNA Haplogroup I1a^[9]

auDNA Matches

1. Howie-281 John Lee, 6th great grandfather
2. Phelps-3330 John Lee, 6th great grandfather

One John Lee or Two ?

This profile contains contradictory documentation and inconsistancies that may indicate there are two John Lees whose indentities have been confused and combined. The same evidence may also indicate that the two John Lees (JLX) and (JLN) are one and the same person. If the evidence that comes forth proves that to be the case, the DNA data issues would have to be resolved. More research is needed to clear this question.

1. (JLX) John Lee Esq., born (possibly Nansemond) Virginia abt 1695. YDNA Haplogroup R1b (R-M269) ^{[citation needed]}

2. (JLN) John Lee, born abt 1690, Nansemond, Virginia, YDNA Haplogroup I1a (I-M253) ^{[citation needed]}

One unsourced pedigree gives the following: Mary Bryan b 1705 Isle of Wight Co VA d 1780 Johnston Co NC, m1 John Lee b 11 Mar 1690 ?Johnston NC d 4 Dec 1766 Johnston NC, m2 William Raiford ^[10] This information is speculative and not supported by evidence.

Sources

1. ↑ War of the Regulation or the Regulator Movement:Wikipedia
2. ↑ http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-genforum/sendalert.cgi?forum=lee&msgnum=22159&author_name=Lori will of Robert Lee, son of John Lee, Esq. May 13, 2010 at 21:58:24
3. ↑ Re: Proof of Lineage to Gen. Robert E. Lee? By Dennis Lee February 08, 2010
4. ↑ W. Johnston, et al., compilers, John Lee Esquire and Some of his Descendants. (1975) (available at Johnston Co., NC library in Smithfield, NC).
5. ↑ Descendants of John Lee of Nansemond Co VA (JLN)
6. ↑ DNA test results, connects John Esq Lee and Edward Lee
7. ↑ Descendants of John Lee of Nansemond Co VA (JLN)
8. ↑ Lee Y-DNA Surname Project
9. ↑ Re: Proof of Lineage to Gen. Robert E. Lee? By Dennis Lee February 08, 2010
10. ↑ Bryan Pedigree and YDNA Project

See Also:

• "Descendants of John Lee in Bertie and Edgecombe County, North Carolina" by Henry Lee King dtd 1995.

Research Sources

• Descendants of John Lee of Nansemond Co VA (JLN)

• RICHARD HENRY LEE OF VIRGINIA: A BIOGRAPHY, disertation by Mary Elizabeth Virginia, 1992, State University of New York

The above 'source' is not for Richard Henry Lee, son of William Lee, father of John lee, Esquire: Richard Henry Lee of Virginia: A BIOGRAPHY], disertation by Mary Elizabeth Virginia, 1992, State University of New York- it is a disertation on Richard Henry Lee, son of Col. Richard Lee and Anne Constable, Richard Henry Lee, Burgess, this fellow: Richard Henry Lee

Sex: M

Birth: 1646 in Strafford-on-Avon, Essex, England

Death: 12 Mar 1713 in Mt. Pleasant, Westmoreland Co., VA

Title: Sir Event: Royal Title Unknown Knight of the Order of the Garter

Father: Richard Henry LEE b: 1591 in St. Martin, Worcestershire, England

Mother: Anne Constable OWEN b: 1615 in London, England

Marriage 1 Letitia CORBIN b: 1657 in Stratfordshire, England

Married: 1674 in Westmorland Co., VA

Children

1. Richard LEE b: 1678
2. John LEE b: 1677
3. Phillip LEE b: 1681
4. Francis LEE b: 1682
5. Ann LEE b: 1683 in Machodoc, Westmoreland Co., VA
6. Henry LEE b: 16 May 1686 in Westmoreland Co., VA
7. Thomas LEE b: 1690
8. Arthur Ferney LEE b 1693

Please do not get them confused for they represent two separate distinct lines from the LOV, so please be careful of your sources for the Lees of Virginia lines can be very challenging if you are not familiar with the research, thank you.

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* These need to be moved to the DNA page

Move to DNA Discussion page :: Note: Although this documentation indicates John Lee Esq. was born at Nansemond, Virginia, John Lee of Nansemond is projected YDNA Haplogroup I1a. ^[11] This is contradictory to birth and YDNA information documented elsewhere in this biography for John Lee, Esq who is projected to be R-M269. This contradiction may be the result of mistaken identity, an erroneous family tree, misinterpretation of data, or an as yet undiscovered NPE occuring in one of the descendant lines. The presence of contradictory birth dates and places of birth may also indicate that the current information is the product of guesswork or unsupported circumstantial evidence and that the exact birth dates and locations are not known.

John Lee Esq parents have been said to be Richard Lee b: Abt. 1677 in Surry Co., Virginia (grandson of Col Richard Lee "The Immigrant") and Mary Young b: Aft. 1679 in Virginia. ^{[citation needed]} Richard Henry Lee and Mary Young Lee were disconnected as John Lee Esq parents primarily because YDNA evidence raised questions as to their genetic relationship. This was based on YDNA (charts) results found in Lee YDNA groups. This evidence appears convincing, however the seeming discrepancy may be the result of an error in the downstream family tree of the testers, an NPE, or misinterpretation of YDNA results due to errors in projected Haplogroups. Obviously neither John Lee or his proposed father, Richard Lee have been YDNA tested and their results can only be projected based on the kinship claims of testers whose family trees may or may not be accurate. There are some questions about the identity of John Lee Esq which may be the result of a NPE or error in the family tree of one or more individuals currently proposed as descendants. The possibility exists supported in part on identical birth and residence locations that indicates a possibility that John Lee Esq and John Lee, Nansemond may be one and the same person. For these reasons the YDNA evidence alone is not considered conclusive and additional research is warranted and ongoing. Family trees and kinship of the testers must be verified before DNA results can be reliably used to confirm claimed relationships.

Traditional Ancestral Line

This is an examination of the traditional (speculative) line of descent from Col Richard (Henry) Lee "The Immigrant" to John Lee, Esq. It should be noted that the accuracy of this line is disputed and current YDNA evidence makes this relationship questionable but has also raised questions regarding accuracy or the possibility of a NPE.

Speculative Line of Descent

1. Richard Lee, The Immigrant, (1617-1664), YDNA Haplogroup I-M253
2. father of William Constable Lee, (1651-1696), YDNA Haplogroup R-M269 (FTDNA Kit#149909, Subgroup 18b)
3. father of Richard Lee, (1677-1726), YDNA Haplogroup: Unknown
4. father of John Lee, Esq, (1695-1766/68), YDNA Haplogroup R-M269

It is interesting to note that William Constable Lee is predicted to be R-M269 as is John Lee Esq. Although Richard Lee, said to be the father of John Lee, Esq YDNA is not known, the predicted Haplogroup would also be R-M269, if the relationships are correct. ^[12] It is also interesting to note that FTDNA kit#149909 R-M269 is for ancestor Richard Henry Lee, b 1618 and died, 1664. This tester also appears to trace his line to Richard Lee, "The Immigrant".

This brings us to a set of interesting possibilities :

1. William Constable Lee is not the son of Richard Lee, "The Immigrant", or
2. There was an NPE that occurred at this point in the line, or
3. One or more pedigrees contains an error of fact.

There also appears to be a genetic connection to a Hugh Lee ^[13] (Subgroup 18a, Hugh Lee bc 1650 dc 1721 Prince George Co, VA) whose descendants also tested R-M269^[14] The relationship between these individuals is under investigation. According to unsourced documentation there was a John Lee b1695 in the Hugh Lee line and other family members that resided in Johnston County, NC.

Ancestral Lineage-Preliminary Conclusions

Published (Unverified) DNA test results indicates that John Lee Esq 1695-1767 is projected R1b Haplogroup. It is also projected that his proposed grandfather, William Lee 1651-1696 is also R1b Haplogroup. Given this, it would be a logical assumption barring an NPE event or documentation error that Richard Lee 1677-1726, proposed as the father of John Lee Esq would also be R1b. However, Richard Lee, "The Immigrant" is projected as Haplogroup I-M253. The implication of this is (if the data is correct) that this William Lee 1651-1696, can not be the son of Richard Lee, "The Immigrant". Additional research may reveal that William Lee 1651-1696 is or, is not the correct William, son of Col Richard Lee, that an NPE occurred, or that the lineage of the YDNA test subjects is in error. Although this evidence does weaken the claim that William Lee is the son of Col Richard Lee it does however, strengthen the claim that John Lee Esq is the son of Richard Lee 1677-1626, and grandson of William Lee 1651-1696.

DNA Evidence

auDNA Matches, Wikitree: possible descendants of John Lee Esq (Common Ancestor)

Ver: Mar 27 2017 18:41:59

Value shown is cM total largest matching segments over minimum threshold.

Kit

A761603 *Lisa Linn

A124004 *Gogranniego

T174999 Kevin Moore

A598504 Jacqueli Finley to M235402 Elizabeth Howie 5.1 cM

T824570 David Douglas to T544189 Chris Moore 6.2 cM

Note Kit T824570 not related to John Lee. Added for control purposes.

Due to genetic distance from test subjects to common ancestor, John Lee and small shared segment size (< 7cM) these auDNA matches can not reliably be used to confirm relationship to John Lee. See "Accuracy of Tests", for additional information and alternative methods. Jacqueli Finley and Elizabeth Howie are 7th cousins (John Lee Esq, common ancestor).

YDNA Matches. Wikitree

Tom Lee: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 67 markers, haplogroup R-U106, Ysearch NNK7G, FTDNA kit #366549 Mr Lee is a descendant of Hugh Lee

YDNA Matches, FTDNA

There are 8 matching kits. Subgroup 7: John Lee Sr Esq, bc:1695, dc:1767 Johnston Co,NC Kinship, R1b1a2 Projected Haplogroup R-M269

Lee DNA Surname Project - Y-DNA Results

There are 13 matching kits: John Lee Esq or Johnston Co., NC; bc 1695 dc 1768, R1b1a2 Projected Haplogroup R-M269

YDNA Match:John Lee, of Nansemond

**Important Note: LeeAncestry.com is no longer a valid Y-DNA reference - invalid website!!! - JF

Lee Ancestry Y-DNA Study (leeancestry.com)

When compared with YDNA kit# 348395 Subgroup 21: Lees of VA, Richard Lee m. Ann Constable I-M253 111 Markers, to Kit# 548883 John Lee of Nansemond, I-M253 37 Markers returned with a genetic distance of 15. This indicates there is no close relationship between Richard Lee "The Immigrant" (LOV) and John Lee, of Nansemond, Virginia. The test data indicates there is a 90% chance of a common ancestor (MRCA) within 69 generations.

YDNA Match:John Lee, Esq

Lee Ancestry Y-DNA Study (leeancestry.com)

When compared with YDNA kit# 348395 Subgroup 21: Lees of VA, Richard Lee m. Ann Constable I-M253 111 Markers, to John Lee Esq. , b. 1690 and d. 1768 Subgroup 7: John Lee Sr Esq, bc:1695, dc:1767 Johnston Co,NC Kin 391372 111 111 Markers returned a genetic distance of 103. This test data indicates there is no common ancestor within the historical period.

YDNA Match:WIlliam Lee 1651-1696

Lee Ancestry Y-DNA Study (leeancestry.com)

When compared with YDNA kit #37062, Subgroup 18b, William Lee 1651-1696 37 Markers, to John Lee Esq. , b. 1690 and d. 1768 Subgroup 7: John Lee Sr Esq, bc:1695, dc:1767 Johnston Co,NC., kit# 391372 111 Markers, returned a match of 19/37 Markers. This test data indicates there is no close relationship between William Lee 1651-1696 and John Lee, Esq 1695-1767.

YDNA Matching kits, John Lee, Esq. 1695-1767

Lee Ancestry Y-DNA Study (leeancestry.com)

There are 10 Kits that match YDNA kit #391372, for John Lee Esq. , b. 1690 and d. 1768 Subgroup 7: They are as follows:

Kit #391372, John Lee, Esquire, b. c1695 & d. 1768

Kit #20444, William Carroll Lee, b. 1843 Alabama Mississippi

Kit #317915, Edward Lee

Kit #351723, John Lee, Esquire, b. c1695 & d. 1768

Kit #414093, Unknown

Kit #30732, Unknown

Kit #157419, Unknown

Kit #405072, Thomas Lee b. 1614; d. 1645

Kit #117787, Calvin Lee: 15 Aug 1816, Hawkins, TN d: 20 May

Kit #189252, Thomas Lee b. 1614 Rusper, Sussex UK; d. 1645

Note: This data should be treated with caution as the associated family trees have not been verified and may contain questionable or erroneous data.

Note: this documentation would indicate the John Lee of this profile is the John Lee of Nansemond, Virginia whose descendants YDNA tested I1a, which directly contradicts documentation elsewhere that indicates John Lee Esq. descendants YDNA tested R1a. This is questionable and confuses the identity of John Lee Esq.

Lee DNA Surname Project

• • • 237 John Lee Sr./Esq (bc1695, dc1767 NC) John Lee, Esq. (of Johns…RG* Z179708 60% 11(25)/-- R1b
    • 288 William Lee (bc1651, d1696, North Cumberland,…Hugh Lee (of VA) FTDNA 149909 100% 0(25)/6 R1b…

Note: here the Haplogroup of John Lee Esq. is indicated as R1b, while bio documentation places his birth at Nansemond, VA. John Lee, of Nansemond is projected Haplogroup I1a. This inconsistency is not addressed or explained in the profile documentation

15.) Some have mistakenly linked John Lee, Esq., to Richard Lee b ca 1684, h/o Mary Young. Results posted with the Lee Surname DNA Research Project disprove this supposition as the two are not even in the same haplogroup -- John is R1b1a2 and Richard is I-M253.

Note: descendants of John Lee, born at Nansemond, Virginia test I1a (I-M253) Documentation in this profile indicates this John Lee Esq was born c.1695 at Nansemond, Virginia which makes the documentation and identity of this John Lee questionable. It appears that two John Lees are being confused in this profile. One is John Lee b 1695, Nansemond, Virginia, son of John Lee Sr., Y Haplogroup I-M253, and the other John Lee b 1690, said to be the son of Richard Lee, Y Haplogroup R-M269^{[15] [16]}

Note: Multiwords is NOT a valid source.-JF

18.) DNA test results for Mary Bryan wife of John Esq Lee:

Note: this is misleading since this person cannot have YDNA results Mary Bryan reported by ysearch.org/JZK2D b 1706 Isle of Wight Co. VA d 178.92 Johnson Co. NC dau of William Bryan b about 1681 Isle of Wight and Alice McCloud m John Lee Esq b about 1705 Richmond Co VA d 4 Dec 1766 Johnston Co. NC son of Richard Lee b about 1678 Surry Co VA d 10 Dec 1726 N Farnham Parish Richmond Co. VA and Mary Young b about 1679 and grandson William Lee and Alice Felton great grandson of Richard Lee and Anne Constable Owen, ancestors of Gen. Lighhorse Harry Lee and Gen Robert E. Lee .......^[17]

DNA test results, connects John Esq Lee and Edward Lee

DNA Evidence This above source is not a valid source, I emailed the author of the site "Multiwords" as there has been no DNA tests given or taken - JF

1. (JLN) John Lee of Nansemond, Virginia. YDNA Haplogroup I1a ^[18]

2. (JLX) John Lee Esq, YDNA Haplogroup R- 1b ^[19]

3. Gen. Robert E. Lee, Virginia Lees, YDNA Haplogroup I1a^[20]

==Comments Moved from Profile==

Comments made by Jacqueli

From my understanding through speaking to a number DNA ‘experts’ and research, to have 6th cousins from separate male lines descending from same shared male ancestor can have different Y-DNA Haplogroups, depending on the rate of mutation and tests taken by the descendants. In fact I have learned that it would be irresponsible (and possibly illegal) to state affirmation that these two male descendant do not share the same ancestral 6th (or 7th, etc.) great-grandfather.

Now, in contrast, if two males of same male line descend from same shared male ancestor, it is most unlikely they will have different Haplogroups. They should always match, unless there is what is called an NPE (non-parental episode) basically a pregnancy that is not of the same male (father).

Now -back to the scenario of the two male cousins from separate male descending lines from the same male ancestor (6th great-grandfather as mentioned in first scenario) are being tested against the shared males DNA sample (the 6th gr-grandfathers actual DNA) it is not impossible to have different Haplogroups, without an NPE to cause the difference, it can happen as there are mutations between each generations and genetic distance between the lines.

Now - in the Lee DNA project(s) case(s) where male cousins from separate descending lines from a shared 6th (7th, 8th,etc.) great-grandfather, having different Y-DNA Haplogroups, the testers are being tested against DNA supposedly from the shared male ancestor (Col. Richard Lee) from only one of the male descending lines, several generations down from shared ancestor (gr-great grandson of Col. Richard Lee - DNA from Gen. Robert E Lee) (Note: the shared common ancestor of the two separate lines is Col. Richard Lee, not Gen. Robert e Lee). Gen. Robert E Lee happens to share direct DNA with only one tested descending line Haplogroup, not both, even though both lines descend from Col. Richard Lee - so the one tested line descending from Gen. Robert E Lee would share his DNA to his tested living descendants as their 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. gr-grandfather - his DNA representing the direct line from Col. Richard Lee, while the other tested living descendant line DNA compared against this same DNA from Gen. Robert E Lee has a relationship to him as a 4th, 5th, 6th, etc., cousin once removed, twice removed, etc., of Gen. Robert E. Lee, so the DNA tested is not a true representation of their Y-DNA from their shared ancestor, Col. Richard Lee. It is probable, and cannot be ruled out, that the tested living descendants from separate lines descending from same shared ancestor, Col. Richard Lee, can have different Y-DNA Haplogroups. Highly probable considering the variables, and it would be a stretch to say that the results show no direct relationship to the shared ancestor by comparing indirect DNA.

To add to this: there again are even more variables that may affect the differences in the 5th, 6th, 7th, etc., male cousins from separate lines, from a shared male ancestor, such as: what type of Y-DNA tests were done on the individuals, how many markers tested, generational changes, what labs the DNA tests originated, the convergence of separate Lee lines into the line through marriage to female Lee DNA carrier, as in example of the main five ancestral Lee lines (Pimhill, Langley, Stanton, Roden, Lea) marrying into the Lee line that became the Coton of Shropshire line, etc., these variables and generational mutations can, and often do, affect the Y-DNA Haplogroup match results.

So, basically to say that a descendant from one Lees of Virginia line is credible or not because of the Y-DNA Haplogroup results from separate lines matching or not matching, or stating that one is or is not a true descendant of Col. Richard Lee (The Immigrant) is irresponsible, speculative, and possibly illegal to discredit a lineage because of these Y-DNA results, because having matching Y-DNA Haplogroups with as many variables as these separate male descending lines may or may not happen, even IF the living male descendants were tested from Col. Richard Lee’s own DNA, which in all current testing they are not, which makes the non-matches even more likely to happen. Mutations and changes in the Y-DNA can even happen from father to son.

The bottom line that was said to me from more than one DNA ‘expert’ was that when it comes to genealogy and DNA testing, DNA testing is to compliment genealogy and documentation, it is not to overrule, or define what is or what is not a viable descending line because there are possible variables, as mentioned above, that can and do effect the results.

So there are no absolutes here, other than that some of us with multiple Lee lines match DNA with descendants from separate Lees of Virginia lines that carry both the Y-DNA Haplogroups in question. And it is unfair to the living descendants of these lines to speculate in such a manner, to say that absolutely these lines with different Haplogroups from the Robert E Lee DNA carriers are not direct descendants from Col. Richard Lee.

The most important key to what I am trying to convey, because I am not a “DNA” expert, and citing second hand knowledge which I am limited, is that the Y-DNA Lee descendants are being compared to is not a Y-DNA sample from Col. Richard Lee’s DNA. This is the biggest UNKNOWN factor. So there is not an absolute that Col. Richard Lee, The Immigrant, progenitor of the Lees of Virginia lines Y-DNA Haplogroup is M-253, or M-269. All we know is that one descendant of Col. Richard Lee, that DNA sample is being stated to have the Y-DNA Haplogroup M-253, and the descendants from that group seem to have a match of M-253, while the other 80% of documented descendants are not. And all the facts are not known. What is a fact is that stating from these UNKNOWN factors that a descendant with a well-documented connection cannot be confirmed or denied a relationship to the ancestor, Col. Richard Lee, when in reality, the Y-DNA testing and comparisons present and past are not done against Col. Richard Lee’s DNA - which can be obtained. ALL else is assumption and opinion. This is not for a ‘wikitreer’ to decide, not for any genealogy, historical, DNA project, or Society entity to decide, because it would be a violation of individual rights, involves hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, as laws need to be adapted to today’s DNA and genealogy applications, especially here in the United States where personal rights are even more protected by our Constitution, and one’s individual genealogy, ancestry, and DNA, is a protected right and it is probably best for an entity higher than individuals on websites to decide, the courts being a possibility, how to proceed in the case of descendants of an historic figure as Col. Richard Lee with the denial or acceptance of documented lines since there seems to be a discrepancy – which may or may not be in the current descendant DNA sample which lines are being compared, and again that is all assumptive.

This URL gives quick explaination on Y-DNA mutations: [1]

I believe the person who added this place an excerpt from this source: 
Lee Lineage, Stories & History - Beginning with Count Rollo or Rolf the Viking Source: Genealogy of WILLIAM LEE 1 of England And of Virginia and His Descendants - By: Elizabeth Hoyle Rucker in 1945 Historical Sketch of the Lee Family of South Carolina, Virginia, England, France and Norway"

Lineage for LOV ancestry also mentioned in source: Genealogical history of the Lee family of Virginia and Maryland from A.D. 1300 to A.D. 1866 by Mead, Edward Campbell, 1837-1908, Publication date 1868 Topics Lee family, Lee, Richard, 1590?-1663?, genealogy Publisher New York : Richardson & Co. Collection allen_county; americana Digitizing sponsor Internet Archive Contributor Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center

It is a portion of the reported genealogy, that includes Lee ancestral descent to John Lee, Esquire in the book.

Elizabeth and Jacqueli are 7th cousins once removed, Elizabeth Howie and Jacqueli Finley are both descendants of John Lee Esq.

1. Elizabeth is the child of Mary (Boatwright) Howie [unknown confidence]

2. Mary is the daughter of Mary Alma (Glenn) Richardson [unknown confidence]

3. Mary is the daughter of Alma Lee (Holcomb) Glenn [unknown confidence]

4. Alma is the daughter of Sallie Caroline (Bailey) Holcombe [unknown confidence]

5. Sallie is the daughter of Irvine Bailey [unknown confidence]

6. Irvine is the son of Zilpha (Lee) Bailey [unknown confidence]

7. Zilpha is the daughter of Thomas Greenberry Lee [unknown confidence]

8. Thomas is the son of John Lee Esq [unknown confidence]

This makes John the sixth great grandfather of Elizabeth.

1. Jacqueli is the daughter of Claudia Mauk DNA confirmed

2. Claudia is the daughter of Claud Mauk [confident]

3. Claud is the son of Claud Mauk [confident]

4. Claud is the son of Ella Caledonia (Lee) Mauk [confident]

5. Ella is the daughter of Elam Lee [confident]

6. Elam is the son of Thomas Lee [confident]

7. Thomas is the son of John Lee [confident]

8. John is the son of Edward Lee [confident]

9. Edward is the son of John Lee Esq [confident]

This makes John the seventh great grandfather of Jacqueli. Jacqueli Finley

John Lee Esquire has living DNA Tester Rod Pennington[Rod Pennington Find 23andMe + AncestryDNA, Ancestry member rodpenn2012] John is the fifth great grandfather of Rod

1. Rod is the child of Wallace Pennington

2. Wallace is the son of Nancy Ada (Lee) Pennington

3. Nancy is the daughter of John Stephen Lee

4. John is the son of Samuel Lansdon Lee

5. Samuel is the son of Stephen Lee

6. Stephen is the son of Edward Lee

7. Edward is the son of John Lee

This makes John the fifth great grandfather of Rod.

John Lee Esquire has living DNA Tester Jacqueli Finley, [ AncestryDNA, GEDmatch A598504, Ancestry member JacqueliFinley + Family Tree DNA Family Finder, GEDmatch A598504, FTDNA kit #740080 + MyHeritage DNA, GEDmatch A598504]

John is the 7th great grandfather of Jacqueli (Confident)

1. Jacqueli is the daughter of Claudia Mauk DNA confirmed

2. Claudia is the daughter of Claud Mauk [confident]

3. Claud is the son of Claud Mauk [confident]

4. Claud is the son of Ella Caledonia (Lee) Mauk [confident]

5. Ella is the daughter of Elam Lee [confident]

6. Elam is the son of Thomas Lee [confident]

7. Thomas is the son of John Lee [confident]

8. John is the son of Edward Lee [confident]

9. Edward is the son of John Esq Lee [confident]

This makes John the seventh great grandfather of Jacqueli.

Jacqueli Finley to Rod Pennington shared centigrams 48, longest block 19. Jacqueli Finley

DNA Narritive - Jacqueli Finley to Richard Lee and Anne Constable through son William Lee

WORK IN PROGRESS FTDNA DNA Matches:

1.Jacqueli Finley FTDNA# 740080 match to ancestors Col. Richard and Anne Constable with living DNA tester: Harold Aubrey Bouldin hbouldin@f*********.com R-M269 Y-DNA Haplogroup N/A mtDNA Haplogroup Harold Aubrey Bouldin Shared Segments: 12 Shared Centograms: 38 Longest Block: 14 X Match

2.Jacqueli Finley FTDNA Match #740080 match to ancestors Col. Richard and Anne Constable with living DNA tester: Bet Pan deb.sabba@g********.com Shared Segments: 53 Shared Centograms: 22 Longest Block: 9

3.Jacqueli Finley FTDNA Match #740080 match to ancestors William Lee and Alice Felton with living tester: Stephen Johnson earthstephen@*******.com Shared Segments: 10 Shared Centograms: 33 Longest Block:15

4.Jacqueli Finley FTDNA Match #740080 match to ancestors Richard Henry Lee and Mary Young with living tester: Stephen Johnson earthstephen@*********.com Shared Segments: 10 Shared Centograms: 33 Longest Block:15

5. Jacqueli Finley FTDNA Match #740080 match to ancestors John Lee Esquire and Mary Bryan with living tester: Stephen Johnson earthstephen@*******.com Shared Segments: 10 Shared Centograms: 33 Longest Block:15

6. Jacqueli Finley FTDNA Match #740080 match to ancestors John Lee, Esquire and Mary Bryan with living tester: William Randall McKee wmrmckee@*********.com R-L371 Y-DNA Haplogroup N/A mtDNA Haplogroup Shared Segments: 11 Shared Centograms: 29 Longest Block: 8

7. Jacqueli Finley FTDNA Match #740080 match to ancestors Col. Richard and Anne Constable with living DNA tester: Alice Pita alicepita@*****.com Shared Segments: 16 Shared Centograms: 42 Longest Block: 8 X-Match

8. Jacqueli Finley FTDNA Match #740080 match to ancestors William Lee and Alice Felton with living tester: Alice Pita alicepita@*****.com Shared Segments: 16 Shared Centograms: 42 Longest Block: 8 X-Match

9.Jacqueli Finley FTDNA Match #740080 match to ancestors Richard Henry Lee and Mary Young with living tester: Alice Pita alicepita@****.com Shared Segments: 16 Shared Centograms: 42 Longest Block: 8 X-Match Jacqueli Finley

Comments made by Joyce Finley

As a DAR member (Daughters of the American Revolution) for almost 10 years I have had to correctly document and prove my lineage from myself, my mother (private), my grandfather (private), my G Grandfather (private), My 2nd G grandmother Ella Caledonia Lee/ John Jesse Mauk, my 3rd G Grandfather Elam Lee/ Sarah Beckwith ,my 4th G Grandfather Capt Thomas Lee/ Elizabeth “Betsy” Allen, my 5th G Grandfather John Lee/ Morning Altman. John Lee is my DAR Patriot – Ancestor #: A068624: Associated Ancestor (Revolutionary) Record Lee,John Service: North Carolina Rank: Patriotic Service Birth: 25 Aug 1755 Mill Creek Johnston Co North Carolina Death: 15 Oct 1836 Johnston Co North Carolina Service Description: Rendered Materiel Aid. If you have any questions about the process of applying for membership you should check with Robin Lee as she just joined the DAR Chapter I am associated with for over 10 yrs now.

To clarify my statement about going to Robin Lee for information about DAR applications. Robin Lee is not a descent of the Lees of Virginia line - so my meaning is not that she is an expert on these lines but she understands the process requirements for application and how strict they are. Joyce Finley

By Rebecca Owens March 16, 2007 at 01:51:01

Subject:Capt. Thomas Lee of Johnston County, NC, and Hawkins County, TN

The issue of the parentage of Capt. Thomas Lee of Johnston Co., NC, and Hawkins County, TN, has been adequately resolved via a strong document trail by a number of Lee researchers.This proof occurred as early as 1975 and clearly established that Thomas Lee was the son of John Lee, Esquire of Johnston County, NC-- (b.c. 1690-1700 unknown location-died between. 1766-1768 Johnston Co., NC) However, the myth of a connection of Capt. Thomas Lee to Richard Lee, The Immigrant, and progenitor of the famous Virginia Lees continues today.Much of this myth arises from a Bible that was altered many decades ago.It appears that it is again prudent to revisit the reasons why this record is incorrect.

The gist of the Bible record, still repeated to this day, is that Capt. Thomas Lee was a son of a Richard Lee, 1691-1740, and his wife Judith Steptoe.This Richard Lee was a son of Hancock Lee and a grandson of Richard Lee, The Immigrant.An obviously altered Bible record is available from the Virginia State Library & Archives, 11 Street at Capital Square, Richmond, VA 23219, “Needham Lee, Sr. Bible record” (Record #24415, VSL:AD).This Bible record represented the family for Capt. Thomas Lee’s son Needham Lee who married Susan Bailey.Other Bible records may have also been altered to perpetuate this obviously false connection for Capt. Thomas Lee.In the past, these records have been used as “proof” of a connection to the famous Lees of VA by those wishing to obtain membership in Lineage Societies.National lineage societies have since closed this lineage and no longer accept applicants who use the claim of Capt. Thomas Lee being a son of Richard Lee. Rodney Bowers

1. Mary Bryan Bryant, born 1706 in , Isle Of Wight, Virginia; died 1780 in , Johnson, Nc. She was the daughter of 2. William Bryan and 3. Alice McCloud. She married (1) John [Esq] Lee. He was born 1696 in Richmond Co., Va , of Johnston Co., Nc, and died 04 Dec 1766 in Mill Creek, Johnston county, NC. He was the son of Richard Henry Lee and Mary YOUNG.

More About Mary BRYAN Bryant: Ancestral File Number: MTZ4-4L Burial: 1770, Johnston county, North Carolina Record Change: 04 Sep 2006

Notes for John [Esq] LEE: This was where his will was probated, per Kay G.NC records of numerous land transactions. His will shows that he was a slave owner.From "John Lee Esq. of Johnston Co, NC & Some of His Descendants, May 1975", copy on file in Burkett/Lee file folder. NC Archives #27602, Oct. 29, 1720, lists John Lee among the "Roanoke River Settlers, 1720". Joyce Finley

Comments made by Rodney Bowers

yDNA disproves Richard Lee was the father of John Lee, esq. Rodney Bowers

Some have mistakenly linked John Lee, esq., to Richard Lee b ca 1684, h/o Mary Young. Results posted with the Lee Surname DNA Research Project disprove this supposition as the two are not even in the same haplogroup -- John is R1b1a2 and Richard is I-M253. Rodney Bowers

Comments made by Loretta Corbin

Source information listed as: Yates Publishing, U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 (Provo, UT, USA, The Generations Network, Inc., 2004) Birth: 1693 VA. Marriage: 1700 Leads me to a search engine, which when followed I find only one John Lee married to a Mary Bryan in 1700 which would make John 7 years old at the time of his marriage. Please help me find the correct source for marriage. Thank you, Loretta Corbin

All editing must have documented citations. Also, prior to editing this profile, make sure you have loaded your raw DNA to GedMatch and have added your GedMatch ID # to your Wiki Profile and that you are a direct descendant and have a genetic connection on the same chromosome. We are trying to untangle and correct all irrelevant information on this line. Thank you so much for cooperating.

There is no link on this line to The Famous Robert E Lee. I wished people would stop trying to link John Esq to Robert E Lee.

Source information listed as:

Ancestry Family Trees (Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com) Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=1593140&pid=-751370351

Leads me to a blank page, even when logged into Ancestry.com

Need help verifying this Find a Grave Source.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=98353534&ref=acom There is not a link under sources.

Thank you,

Comments made by John Atkinson

Does anyone know why there is a long ancestry extending back to Rollo on this profile Particularly as it is totally unsourced and missing quite a few generations. John Atkinson

Comments made by David Douglas:

It appears based on the facts presented in this profile that John Lee, Nansemond and John Lee Esq are being confused and combined into one profile, There is YDNA evidence that indicates John Lee, Nansemond (I-M253) and John Lee Esq (R-M269) are two separate persons. The data and biography indicates that this profilke is John Lee Esq. Before merging it should be determined which John Lee this profile is intended to be.

The YDNA evidence (comparison of genetic markers) for both John Lee of Nansemond (I-M253) and John Lee, Esq (R1b) both confirm there is no direct connection to Richard Lee, "The Immigrand" or the Lees of Virginia. The YDNA <edited 01/06/18>

One reason the Wikitree is the place to be is because it attracts some real talenr in the way of experienced professional genealogists such as yourself. Your help and contributions to making this line as accurate as possible is very much welcomed.

Once we are all agreed on which John Lee this profile represents we can proceed. A good rewrite will be in order that is consise, well organized and well sourced when everyone has had time to review our comments, notes and has made their response known. Not everyone will agree on every detail but at least if everyone can agree on who this John Lee is and is not a big part of the job will be done. There is a mountain of information contained in this profile, some will be carried forward and some will not. We want a profile that is clear, and accurate. We want this to be the profile everyone refers to when looking for accurate information on John Lee, Esq. We can do that by combining our skills and research talents.

David

I have read all the documentation contained in this profile, reviewed all the sources, read the comments and bulletin board posts and DNA evidence. To me it appears that this profile contains references and documentation of two different John Lees.

1. John Lee Esq born about 1695, said to be the son of Richard Lee. Married abt 1825 to a Mary Bryan. Projected YDNA Haplogroup R-M269. (JLX)

2. John Lee born about 1690, Nansemont, Virginia, parents unk, Married about 1825 to a Mary Bryan. Proposed YDNA Haplogroup I M-253. (JLN)

In reading the change history it appears that the John Lee Esq of this profile started out as John Lee (JLX) b 1695/96 at Richmond county, Virginia and soon after information for John Lee (JLN) b 1690 at Nansemond, Virginia was added to the profile. This appears to have created the questions regarding Richard Lee and whether he could be the parent of John Lee Esq. This is the result of conflicting YDNA data which is contained in the bio and presented as evidence. It is conflicting because data for two different men with different halplogroups are presented in the same biography.

The question is: Which John Lee is this profile supposed to represent (JLX) or (JLN) ? If the profile managers can agree on an answer to this much of the confusion can then be resolved.