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trying to sort the Ridhards

the Richard who married Elliw & fathered John m (1) Elizabeth Perrot, (2) Bridget and William Lloyd & David Lloyd - page 44-45 in Visitations of Wales[1] is ...

  • Richard ap Rys, Knight. His father... Rys ap Davydd Lloyd Knt. who married Katrin ferch Rys ap Davydd Lloyd E[sq.] ap Davydd ap Einion o Lystan ... ! his mother appears to be the same line as Rhys ap Dafydd Lloyd ap Dafydd ap Einion!! (so... a sister of Thomas & Meredith?) This Richard's line is all knights...
Richard [Knt] ap Rys [Knt.] ap Davydd Lloyd [Knt.] ap Davydd Lloyd [Knt.]


John ap Richard ap Richard ap John ap Meredith ap Rhys ap Dafydd Llwyd ap Dafydd ap Einion ap Howell ap Tudor ap Einion ap Ieva ap Grownwy ap Ivor ap Idnerth ap Cadwgan ap Elystan, etc.[2]

The estimated dates that work for the lineage of John of Virginia as portrayed in WikiTree (see their profiles for details and sources):
  1. John Price born about 1586
  2. Richard Price born about 1555/60
  3. Richard ap John ap Meredith born about 1530, living June 1586, when he testified (along with his oldest son Edward Price) in the Visitations of Wales[3]
  4. John ap Meredith born about 1500
  5. Meredith ap Rhys ap Dafydd Llwyd born about 1465-9
  6. Rhys ap Dafydd Llwlyd born about 1440
  7. Dafydd Llwyd born about 1400
  8. Dafydd ab Einion born about 1375
Wives are named in the Visitations of Wales.[4][3] See also the tabular pedigree for descendants of "David Lloyd of Llanfair in Cedewaen, now called Newtown Hall" (through his grandsons Thomas and Meredith) at "Newtown Hall and Vaenor" in The History of the Princes,... and the Ancient... Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd (starting on page 374).[5]

the many Richards (Price/Pryse/ap Rhys)... interim save

  • Price-5795: Richard Price (1562-1623) & Pryse-31: Richard Pryse (abt.1562-abt.1623)
    • of Cardiganshire / Gogerddan... from his hop bio: 1st son of John & Elizabeth (Perrot). "It may have been the Member’s great-grandfather, Rhys ap Dafydd Llwyd..."[6][7]
  • (-5795/Price): son of Elizabeth Perrot-114 & Price-5793: John Price I (abt.1532-1584), born Newtown but "of the Inner Temple, London and Gogerddan, Card" (citing his HOP bio)
    • Price-5793, son of ... no parents attached; text in profile includes (apparently from HOP): "His grandfather Rhys (from whom the family eventually took its surname), was the first to settle in northern Cardiganshire, and may have built the mansion of Gogerddan. The grandson at first called himself John ap Rhys Dafydd Llwyd, or more briefly John ap Rice, but by 1563 the surname had been fixed as Price or Pryse."
    • Price-5793, married
    • Price-5793, father of Edward Price-5791 (b 1545, married Juliane Vaughn) and Richard Price-5795 (b 1562, married Gwenllian ferch Thomas - here's the disconnect? - father of Price-5790: Catherin Price (1575-1623), who married Bt John Price-872... his profile says their daughter Bridget m Lewis Blaeney, Esq)
  • (-31/Pryse): son of Pryse-32: John Pryse Esq (abt.1531-1584)
    • Pryse-32, married (1) Perrot-114, (2) Rhys-128: Bridget ferch James ap Rhys / dau. of James Price
    • Pryse-32, son of Pryse-33: Richard Pryse (1505-)
    • Pryse-32, father of Thomas Pryse-20 (b 1550, married Bridget John), Richard Pryse-31 (b c1562, married ?, father of Bridget b 1580 m Lewis), and James Pryse-34 (b c1571 [or 1566], son of his father's second wife; married Elisabeth Wynn 1590, daughter Bridget Pryse-28, born 1592, m Corbet)

More than one path for Rhys ap David Lloyd's ancestors?

children of Rhys are Griffith (p 291) ap Rees ap David Lloyd; Thomas (father of Mathew Goch) ap Rhys ap David Lloyd (p 290); and Meredith (ancestor of John the Immigrant) ap "Rees" ap David Lloyd (p 315, 331)
  • Rhys ab David Lloyd of Newtown Hall, Esq... David Lloyd of Llanfair in Cedewaen, now called Newtown Hall, ab David ab Einion ab Howell of Mochdref, ab Tudor ab Einion Fychan, Lord of Cefn y Llys. See vol. ii, p. 325. (No wife listed for David Lloyd; Rhys's wife= "Margaret, d. and heir of Ieuan ab Owain of Neuadd Wen [Newtown] in Powys, descended from Maredydd ab Cynan, Lord of Neuadd Wen..."[8]
  • Rhys ap David Lloyd ap David ap Einion ap Howell ap Tudur ap Einion Vaughan ap Einion ap Ieva ap Gronwy ap Ivor ap Idnerth ap Cadwgan ap Elystan Glodrydd Earle of Hereford, Lord between Wye and Seavern, who was son to ... (on back to Emporer of Rome!) - p 313 (John Price of Newtown pedigree)
    • The mother of the said David Lloyd ap David; ap Einion, was Gwladus, the daughter of Meredith ap Gwilim, of Tregynon. (p 316)
  • Rees/Rhys ap David Lloyd ap David ap Einion ap Howell ap Tudor ap Einion ap Ieva ap Grownwy ap Ivor ap Idnerth ap Cadwgan ap Elystan, etc. ... not sure the source
    •  : Richard (married Elizabeth Herbert) ap John ap Meredith (of the Parish of Kerie) ap Rees/Rhys ap David Lloyd... (on to Cadwgan ap Elystan, etc.)
  • from HOP bios: brothers
    • Pryse-31: Richard of Gogerddan, 1561/2-1623 (m "Gwen (or Gwenllian), da. and h. of Thomas ap Rhys ap Morus of Aberbechan, Newtown, Mont.")[9] and
    • Pryse-20: Thomas
  • sons of Pryse-35: John of London and Gogerddan, born by 1532, d 1584 (married Elizabeth Perrot, Bridget Pryce) ap Richard (m Elliw ferch William ap Jenkin ap Iowerth) ap Rhys ap Dafydd Lloyd
(copied from below, 3 Apr 2022): Also not the Richard who was father of John the immigrant:

Note: The updated biography that was being worked on this page for Ann (Unknown) Llewellyn (1604-1666) is now the "live" bio. ~ 21 January 2022

See also the tabular pedigree for descendants of "David Lloyd of Llanfair in Cedewaen, now called Newtown Hall" (through his grandsons Thomas and Meredith) at "Newtown Hall and Vaenor" in The History of the Princes,... and the Ancient... Lords of (starting on page 374).[10]

This page will be going away, replaced by Space: Price Genealogy - Ancestry of John the Immigrant & Space: Price Family - Jamestown and Virginia Patriots. ~ Noland-165, 31 March 2022

Ancestry of John the Immigrant:
  1. John Price (1583/4-1628/30) the Immigrant (m Ann), son of
  2. Richard Price of Manafon, Montgomeryshire (m Ursula).[11]
  3. Elizabeth Herbert (d 1574) and Richard Price of xx[12]
    1. Elizabeth (c1515-c1574), daughter of Richard Herbert of Merionethshire and Montgomeryshire & Anne ferch David[12]
  1. father of Richard Price who married Elizabeth Herbert = ? Richard?
  2. Richard, son of xx
got tangled up again... sidetracked by this WikiTree couple (Edward Herbert m Elizabeth f Mathew Goch Price) which is correct:
previous couple supported by pedigree in Visitations of Wales, p 312, for Herberts. Also supported is Edward's sister Elizabeth Herbert's marriage to someone other than Griffith ap Rhys-54:
The visitations pedigree for her husband, given by Richard [ap] Jno. [ap] Meredith (Elizabeth Herbert's husband) in 1586, is bottom of p 315, transcribed elsewhere on this page from SGM, "Anglicized (sorta)" as ... nevermind - other stuff intervened
children of Rhys ap David Lloyd ap David ap Einion ap Howell ap Tudur ap Einion Vaughan ap Einion ap Ieva ap Gronwy ap Ivor ap Idnerth ap Cadwgan ap Elystan Glodrydd Earle of Hereford, Lord between Wye and Seavern, who was son to ... (on back to Emporer of Rome!) - p 313 (John Price of Newtown pedigree)
  • Griffith (p 291) ap Rees ap David Lloyd
  • Thomas (father of Mathew Goch) ap Rhys ap David Lloyd (p 290)
  • Meredith (ancestor of John the Immigrant) ap "Rees" ap David Lloyd (p 315, 331) ...
  • Meredith, brother of Richard (who married Elizabeth Herbert), had a daughter Catherin who married Lewis ap Howell whose son David Powell married Margaret, dau. of Edward Herbert, son of Richard Herbert. Lewis & Catherin's daughter Susana m Adam Price of Glanmehali.
Mother of David Lloyd: The mother of the said David Lloyd ap David; ap Einion, was Gwladus, the daughter of Meredith ap Gwilim, of Tregynon. (p 316)
Mother of Rees/Rhys ap David Lloyd: The mother of the said Rees David Lloyd was Gwenllian, the daughter of Meredith ap Owen ap Griffith, Lord of the Towyn. (p 316)
Richard (married Elizabeth Herbert) ap John ap Meredith (of the Parish of Kerie) ap Rees/Rhys ap David Lloyd ap David ap Einion ap Howell ap Tudor ap Einion ap Ieva ap Grownwy ap Ivor ap Idnerth ap Cadwgan ap Elystan, etc.
Richard and Elizabeth Herbert's children were Edward, James, John, Charles, Thomas, Richard, Margaret, and Mary.
Their son Edward married (1) Catherin ferch Adam Luter, (2) Mary ferch Robert Hughs ap Hugh Trevor. Edward & Catherin had 2 children: Adam and Elizabeth.
The mother of Richard (who married Elizabeth Herbert) was Goleu ferch John Gough ap David ap Griffith Lloyd ap Howell Ddu ap Phillip ap Griffith ap Phillip ap Owen Foel ap Ierworth ap Gwrgeney ap Uchdryd ap "Aleth K. of Dyved."
The pedigree for Elizabeth Herbert given on page 315 is that she is the younger daughter of Sir Richard Herbert, Knt., son of Sir Richard Herbert, Knt. "descended of Colebrook".

(This Price pedigree is on pp 315-316, vol I).

The Herbert pedigree:
  1. Sir William Thomas, Lord of Rhaglan, m Gwladus Ddu ferch Dafydd Gam (d Agincourt)
  2. Sir Richard Herbert of Colebrook m Margaret ferch Thomas ap Griffith ap Nicholas, Esq.
  3. Sir Richard Herbert of Colebrook of Montgomery m Ann ferch David ap Evan ap Llewelyn Vaughan, Esq.[15]
  4. Edward Herbert of Montgomery, Esq., m Elizabeth [Price] ferch Mathew Goch ap Thomas Rees, Esq. (of interest, Edward's brother is "John of Kemmes")
    1. Catherine Herbert m Edward Pryce, Esq.
    2. Richard Herbert m Magdalen ferch Sir Richard Newport, Knt.

Note: I did some finetuning for Elizabeth Herbert's pedigree, on her profile - Elizabeth Herbert (abt.1515-abt.1574).

Location note (from SGM): Manafon is a bit north of Glan Meheli, and both are in the sector of Montgomeryshire which borders the portion of Shropshire containing Shrewsbury.
Other families:

see pp 44-45, Visitation of Wales (Thomas ap Rhys ap Morus, p 45; also p 296)

Still have a problem with her Price family though. Her first husband, John, by all accounts had at least three children by a wife named Mary. The Jamestown Muster of 1624/5 shows John and Ann together at Neck of Land. Hotten shows a 3-month-old daughter with them, named Mary.

For now, just looking at John's son John, but a comment that I posted on Price-760 also touches on son Mathew, who was also aboard the George in 1635, age 20. (See "Comment", below.)

Contents

John (40 in Muster)

I am beginning to think that more than one John Price was an early Virginian and that perhaps in WikiTree the John with the 1610-11 indenture and the John who is thought to have arrived in Virginia in 1611 aboard the Starr are being conflated. [See #Indenture section.]

At first, I thought that maybe the Henrico and Charles City John Prices were two different people, but they are not (keep reading).

Locations: England -> Virginia; Henrico -> Charles City

  • In 1611, the Starr departed Land's End, England, on 27 March 1611 and landed in Virginia on 22 May 1611.[19]
  • John Price was aboard the Starr (which sailing not stated) - shown in 1624/5 Muster as "May" arrival (no mention of year). The muster included persons aboard the Starr arriving in 1608 and 1610.[20]
  • John Price was granted 150 acres, 20 February 1619[21]
  • The "State of the Colony... when it was returned by the Company to the Crown in 1625" included a report on the condition of Henrico Corporation, which said, in part, that[22]
    • prior to April 1622, "some 23 proprietors" had been granted 2800 acres, "but as a result of the massacre this corporation was almost depopulated in 1625, the only inhabitants then being on the college lands".[22]
    • "the landowners of Henrico were either dead or living elsewhere.... John Price in 'the Neck of Land Charles City'"[22]
    • "and thus the corporation became so small that at some time between 1625 and 1629 the bounds were extended down the river so as to include the upper part of Charles City, 'the Neck of Land' and 'the Curls of the River' below, making the dividing line as it was when the counties were formed in 1634."[22]
  • In 1623/4 Living & Dead List and the 1624/5 Muster, he is living at Neck of Land, Charles Cittie Corporation (and shown in the muster with two houses, wife Ann & "a child" Mary, 3 months); William Price is head of his muster at Colledge Land,[23] with one "full armor", one piece, one house, 2.5 bushels of corn and 50 dry fish.[24]
  • Hotten shows John Price as having 150 acres "by patent" at Henrico as of 1626.[25]

John & Sons

Children attached to Price-171: John Price I (abt.1584-1628) as of 21 January 2022:

by Mary "Kemyes"
  • Price-2069: William Price, born about 1606 in Winchester, Hampshire, England; died 1661 in Henrico, Virginia
  • Price-772: Matthew Price, born 1615 in Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales; died before 1677 in Henrico, Virginia
by ?
  • Price-2085: Edward Price, born1608 in England
  • Price-161: Thomas, born Oct 1609 in Wales; died 23 Aug 1701 in Calvert County, Maryland
  • Price-2068: Richard Price, born 1617 in Montgomeryshire, Wales; died Apr 1688 in Montgomeryshire, Wales
  • Price-2079: Margaret Price, born 1622 in Neck Land, Henrico, Virginia; died 1682
  • Price-760: John Price II, born 1627 in Henrico, Virginia; died before 1662 in Henrico, Virginia
maybe by Ann [Unknown]
  • Price-763: Mary Price, born 1624 in Virginia

Son John

In researching Ann, I concluded that John's son John was the one said to have arrived in Virginia aboard the George in 1635, age 34. Her profile refers to John Price-760 (son of her husaband John Price-171) as born c1601. But the profile for Price-760, as of 21 January 2022, has his birth as 1627, which would mean that he would have to be Ann's son. The evidence I found does not support John born 1627. From Ann's profile:

Two of the three children said to be Ann's by John Price are his sons Mathew and John, who arrived in Virginia aboard the George, 21 August 1635. Their ages at the time were 20 and 34, respectively.[26] This would make them the children of John's first wife, Mary Kemeye, with John born about 1601 and Mathew born about 1615. They are said to have been left in Wales to be educated when their parents went to Virginia, following in 1635 aboard the George (Jo. Severne, master).[27][28]
Note - "Kemeye" is not found is a search of either John Price genealogy (B.L. Price's in 1910, V.C. Price's in 1988). The more accurate work (Price's 1988 genealogy) says that John and Mary had two sons and a daughter (snippit views from various searches do not find their names; if I were a Price descendant, I'd be buying her book!).

John Price, dead before 1 May 1662 and father of Daniel & John, supported by the will of John Rowen, dated 1 May 1662:[29]

To nephew John Rowen, son of my brother, Henry Rowen, a cow.
To my brother Henry, items, and he is to have the bringing up of the two sons of John Price, deceased, and the management of their estate.
To the two orphans, Daniel and John Price, items.
To Giles Carter, a cow and gift of a house and land on this plantation for one year, and then it to my brother Henry.
All the rest to my son Henry. I desire he be brought up in the knowledge of letters by my brother-in-law Richard Ingram, whom I appoint as guardian and joint administrator to my estate with Francis Dancy.[30] Said child to be in the care of Richard Ingram and his wife and they to dispose of timber and cattle as to be most advantageous to said child.
I give to Mr. James and wife a choice of a yoke of oxen.
Wit: Richard Parker, William Fisher, Margaret Crewes.[31]
Henrico Co VA Records, p.15.

John Price's wife: "Adventurers of Purse and Person states that John Price's wife was a daughter of John Wall, but then cites a deed that is for the John in the next generation. They did conclude that John Rowen was her second husband."[32]

The preceding paragraph is from the profile of John Price, as are the following paragraphs:

"The identity of the wife of the first John Price is unknown. She may have been a sister of John and Henry Rowen as evidenced by the Will of John Rowen, 1662, Henrico Co. Another more likely possibility is that she might have married John Rowen after the death of John Price and he was the stepfather of the young Price boys.
"In his Will, John Rowen instructed his brother Henry to bring up the two sons of the deceased John Price and to manage their estates. He also made small bequests to the orphans, Daniel and John Price. Other bequests were made to his brother Henry, nephew John [son of Henry] and his own son Henry, as well as to Giles Carter. His brother-in-law Richard Ingram was asked to raise his son Henry.
"At least one person has suggested that Giles Carter's wife Hannah was another Rowen and that is why he is mentioned in the will. I doubt that. I'm not sure she was old enough to have been married to Giles by 1662 - most estimate her birth as circa 1650. Of course if the estimate is wrong she could have been older. Then if she was older and married to Giles Carter as early as 1662, it seems her children would have been born earlier." ... could be... Hannah's profile now (22 January 2022) has birth year as 1638.

B.L. Price

http://www.pricedna.com/JohnPricetheEmigrant.pdf (starting on 11 of 64). See also archive.org's full text copy. Following bits relevant to children/wives/timeline (most known inaccuracies not listed):
  • John Price born 1584 in Wales (Montgomery or possibly Brecknock)
  • married Mary, with sons William and Matthewes
  • married Ann, with daughter Mary
  • 1620 patent for 150 acres in Henrico County
  • implies John was a shareholder in the Virginia Company
  • son Matthewes born in Wales in 1615, arrived aboard George in 1635
    • possibly married a Miss Pugh of Wales or a Miss Nelson
    • Mathew granted 150 acres in Henrico County, 23 May 1638
      • John, son of Mathew - born about 1650 and married Miss Cannon, died 1711
      • will for John "of Henrico County", attributed by B.L. to him, dated 15 December 1710, recorded in Henrico County, names daughters Mary Cannon and Eliza Price; sons John, Daniel, and Pew (all children of his wife Jane); proved by Jane and witnesses in a court held "at Varina for the County of Henrico the first Monday in June 1711"
  • B.L. conclusion: William [age 19] arrived with John and Mary in 1620 while 5-year-old Matthewes was left in Wales

BL Price - Powys Club

Note - this information provided, but Rev. Price himself includes information on page 10 that indicates this line ended without male heirs - citing Dwnn, he shows the line from Matthew Goch to Sir John Pryce & his son Mathew Pryce "whose line ran out, and Rev. Geo. Arthur Evors inherited and recovered the estate of Newtowne Hall. Notes made by Meyrick, editor of this volume, published 1846 says further that Newtowne Hall was at that time in possession of Air. Evors, a nephew of Rev. Geo. Arthur Evors. " - which argues against this family, from Newton, Montgomery, Wales, being the direct line for the American Prices (especially since "Sir Matthew Pryce, Baronet, sheriff" appears to be the son whose line ran out, and who was still in Wales in 1660). The Rev. Price may be proposing that the American Prices are probably from a branch of this family that emigrated to America, but I think there's a long way to go between "probably" and proof (especially considering how common the name "Price" is for a Welshman). ~ Noland-165, 23 Jan. 2022
From the pdf (9-10 of 64), citing information from "The Powys Land Club, in 28 volumes (Powys land was the ancient name for Montgomeryshire). The Prices abound in these records and there are many pedigrees and other genealogical entries. Of them all, the most interesting is a photograph of the family tree of Richard Price, 1609 (see Vol. 18, p. 101). In Vol. 2, p. 398, a list of Prices who had been sheriffs of Powys with now and then an intervening generation is given. Note the (to us) interesting succession of proper names :
  • Rhys, slain 1469.
  • Thomas Pryse.
  • Matthew Goch, sheriff of Montgomery Co., 1548.
  • John Pryce, sheriff of Montgomery County., 1566-1586.
  • Edward Pryce, sheriff of Montgomery Co., 1615
  • Sir John Pryce, Baronet.
  • Sir Matthew Pryce, Baronet, sheriff, 1659-1660.
"In Vol. II. is found a Matthew Price, 1548, with an excellent chart containing names commonly used by the American family. Vol. VI., p. 45, gives Edward Price,1586, with brothers John, James, Charles and Thomas. In Vol. VIII., Elizabeth Pughe and her brother, John Price, 1633, are mentioned."

Timeline

1585 or so: born (see next)
1600, 2 June: John entered school in Shropshire, age c15, so born c1585 (SGM)
1610-11: John Pryce signs an indenture (SGM, VCP).
1611: Thomas Dale leads a group of colonists to establish Henricus (later Henrico), one of the first outlying settlements in Virginia. (LOC timeline)
1618/19/20: 150-acre patent in Henrico County, near the Falls of the James River (C&P)
1623/4: Living, Neck of Land, with wife (Living & Dead)
1624/5: Mustered at Neck of Land, with wife Ann (Muster); and 3-month-old Mary (Hotten, 15 of 37)
1638: Son and heir of John, Mathew, patents land.

Indenture

Indenture undertaken in 1610-11 would certainly seem to be related to John's immigration to America, but BLP says he was a freeman and shareholder... maybe by 1624/5 he was?
Or... since the indenture mentions who his father was, can it be assumed that John was under age? If that's the case, then the date is just coincidence, because the John Price aboard the Starr in May [1611] was 40 in 1624/5... not a minor in 1610/11... this is more likely the John who was 34 aboard the George in 1635. Which means that John was not son of John & Mary.
details from SGM[33]
John Pryce, was described as son and heir of Richard Pryce in an indenture in 1610-11 from Richard Pryce of Manavon, Montgomery County, Gentlemen, and Ursula Pryce, his wife to ___ Robinson. Thomas Pryce, brother of Richard Price II, was one of the witnesses. [Indenture, British Museum, A.D.D. Charter 1036, PC]. The signature on this indenture corresponds in every detail with the signature of John Price on the Petition to the King sent from Virginia in 1625-26 when John Price signed as a member of the Burgess. [Public Record Office, London, England, C.O. 1/3, 17276, PC]." ...
"This John Pryce was registered at the Shrewsbury School as John Pryce, gen. F. (i.e. 'son of a gentleman') 2 June 1600, two shillings sixpence. This was the entrance register. Two shillings sixpence were paid by those students not living in the town of Shrewsbury. Pupils generally entered at the age of fifteen or thereabouts. The three sons of Rev. Thomas [Pryce] of St. Chads entered in the following order: Daniel, Samson, John and each paid two pence because they were 'oppidans', (i.e. living in town). The John of this group, entering in 1603, therefore born about 1588 or 1589."

...

Note from elsewhere in the SGM discussion... John son of Thomas did not immigrate.
A Robinson found in Jamestown muster arrived 1622.

From VCP (p 511): "John Pryce was described as son and heir of Richard Pryce in an indenture in 1610-11 from Richard Pryce of Manavon, Montgomery..." (snippit view, that's all there is).

from BLP: "John Price lived on the "Neck of Land" in Charles City County, which was near to Jamestown, and later, near the "Falls of James River." Both he and his son William, who lived at "College Land," were planters, home builders and assisted in the founding of a Colony, but it is only in their muster that we find them in service.

"All those colonists not indentured servants and not of the servant class, were mustered into service to help build the Empire, and of these Gentlemen Freeholders, John Price was one."

This Rootsweb page explains the land patents (1619 to John and 1638 to Mathew):[34]

"There were two ways to acquire land in the Virginia Colony - either by paying for it or for laboring for seven years, after which one received a dividend for 100 acres of land. A "headright" of 50 acres could be earned by paying for one's own way or by paying passage for someone else. John Price received 150 acres in 1619; the first 100 apparently through his indenture; the 50 acres possibly acquired by paying passage for someone. If the first land was planted, he could become eligible for a matching tract. Son Matthew received the matching 150 acres after the death of his father. Henrico Patents 1623/43, p.551]. At the time Matthew received this patent, his mother and stepfather, Robert Hallom, were living adjacent the original patent."

Additional information from that Rootsweb page...

In Appendix IV, p.527, of ANCESTORS AND DESCENDANTS OF JOHN PRICE, is a "Discussion of the Land Patent to John Price" written by Rupert Taylor, 9 Feb 1936 and found among the holdings of the VA Historical Society in Richmond. He platted the land of Robert Hallom, who married Ann, widow of the immigrant John Price, which was described as adjoining that of John Price - there is a sketch provided. Comparing this land with that of the land sold by Hatcher to Pleasant which had been sold to Hatcher's father by Daniel & John Price, sons of John Price, he determined this was definitely not the land granted to Mathew Price but the original land granted to the immigrant John in 1619. Comparison of dates was convincing that the said Daniel & John could not possibly be sons of the immigrant John, leaving the only conclusion that the immigrant had a son also named John that was their father. The three children and heirs of Robert Hallom, or their heirs, eventually sold the 1000 acres Hallom tract to William Randolph, each of these transactions further proving the location of the land of John Price.
There was a Indian massacre on 22 Mar 1622, killing 347 people of the colony of Virginia. John Price was a survivor of the massacre and listed as living in "the Neck of Land, Charles City."
The term "Ancient Planter" is applied to those persons who arrived in Virginia before 1616, remained for a period of at least three years, paid their passage, and survived the massacre of 1622. They received the first patents of land in the new world as authorized by Sir Thomas Dale in 1618 for their personal adventure. John Price is on the list of those designated as "Ancient Planter".

Order of Descendants of Ancient Planters is an incorporated non-profit society whose purpose is to honor and perpetuate the memory of the Ancient Planters; to promote historical and genealogical research; to inspire patriotism; and to enhance fellowship among those of similar interests.

And... the Rootsweb page supports that the John enrolled in 1600 in Shrewsbury is the one in the Jamestown muster, with loads of explanation, including the "comparison of his signature on a petition of the Virginia House of Burgesses with the signature on a Welsh indenture shows he was son of Richard Price, of Manafon, Montgomeryshire, and his wife Ursula."

Jamestown Muster

Timeline has me confused. If John patented land in 1619 (1618-20) along Turkey Island Creek in Henrico, why was he listed in Living & Dead at Neck of Land, Charles Cittie. Or is that where the land was? Also, the land patented in 1638 by his son Mathew... it says was due John Price ... had John Price not claimed it? Is the John with the 1610 indenture and was aboard the Starr the same one due the 150 acres?

... 1626 record of land held, Henrico Corporation - John Price: 150 acres "by patent", "On the Southerley side begining from the Falles, their are these PATTENTS graunted" ... ["ON the Northerly side of James River, from the Falles downe to Henerico. Contayning about x Miles in length, are ye publique Land's, reserved & laid out, wherof 10,000: Acres, for the Vniucrsitie Lands, 3000 Acres for the Companys Lands, with other Land belonging to the Colledge; the Comon Land for the Corporacon 1500 Acres"] (Hotten)

Muster of Living, search for Price, and a search for Mary:

Charles Cittie, Neck-of-Land:
  • John Price (40), head; Starr, May not given (muster taken 24 January 1624/5)
  • Ann Price (21), Francis Bonaventure, August 1620 (muster taken 24 January 1624/5)
  • Mary (3 months), "not given" - (muster taken 24 January 1624/5)
  • Hugh Price (35), head; William & John, January 1618 (muster taken 24 January 1624/5)
  • Judith Price (24), wife of Hugh, Marygold, May 1619 (muster taken 24 January 1624/5
  • John Price (2), son of Hugh, - (muster taken 24 January 1624/5)
Colledge-Land, Henrico
  • William Price, head; Starr, not given (muster taken 23 January 1624/5)
Charles Cittie, Chaplins Choise:
  • Walter Price, head; Willm & Thomas, 1618 (muster taken 21 January 1624/5)

1624/5 Muster for John Price - this search - shows

John Price (40), head, Neck-of-Land, Charles Cittie Corporation; arrived aboard Starr, May not given
  • House: 2 (a search of buildings in Charles Cittie confirms he had two houses)
  • Arms Records
    • Powder: 5 pound
    • Lead: 10 pound
    • Piece Fixed: 2 ; Piece Serviceable: 0
    • Armor: 1
    • Coat of Mail: 1
    • Coat of Steel: 1
    • Sword: 2 (Sword and Dager)
  • Food and Livestock
    • Corn: 2.5 barrel
    • Peas: 1.5 bushel
    • Cattle: 5 - "cattell yong and old"
    • Poultry: 15

Son Mathew

B.L. Price says (56-57 of 64 in the pdf) that "William Price, who was born in Wales, was a son of John and Mary, emigrants, 1620. He raised a family at "College Land," and his descendants lived in Gloucester, Middlesex and other eastern counties." He goes on to give the following information (implying they are descendants of William), having cited "REGISTER OF CHRIST'S CHURCH, MIDLESEX COUNTY, VA." and stating that the "following record is given, because the crests and seals are found in Middlesex County, Virginia".

I wouldn't set too much store by William of the College Land raising a family (no indication he married), although he could have immigrated with John (either as adult son or brother... his age is not given in the 1624/5 muster). However, the following information is probably good for Robert & Jane's children & should be able to be verified in the parish register.

Robert Price (1640-1689) appears to be the profile for this Robert (at least, he's the profile attached as father of John born 29 Jan 1672 as of 23 Jan. 2022).
Robert and Jane Price, their children, viz (Mrs. Jane Price died March 27, 1687) :
  • Margaret, b. August 14, 1670.
  • John, b. January 29, 1672. - John Price (1672-1726)
  • Robert, b. November 19, 1674.
  • Jane, b. July 10, 1676, d. March 5, 1724.
  • Mary, b. May 3, 1679.
  • Elizabeth, b. November 7, 1681.
  • Katherine, b. January 6, 1684.
Thomas, son of Thomas and Catherine Price, b. October 13, 1733.
Leonard, son of Thomas and Catherine Price, b. March 20, 1735.
Thomas, son of John and Ann Price, b. March 13, 1738.
John, son of John and Ann Price, b. March 11, 1740.
Samuel, son of John and Jane Price, b. May 15, 1721.
James, son of John and Jane Price, b. February 17, 1716.
William, son of John and Jane Price, b. April 6, 1723.

Transported persons

From Early Virginia Families Along the James River: Henrico County, Goochland County, Virginia (page 6).[35] Jno. Price is one of of the 40 people transported, claimed by William Farrar:

11 June 1637: William was given the patent for 2,000 acres at Farrar's Island as payment for headright of 40 passengers - possibly for those who arrived in 1619, although some accounts say that the Garland never arrived in Virginia. The patent was posthumously awarded to to his son, William Farrrar. The patent reads:
"Patent to Capt Wm Farrar, 2000 acres on the north side of James River Bounding and abutting lands of Varina, thence extending .... Due for transportation of 40 persons...And upon survey there shall not be found the said quantities of 2000 acres of lands within the aforesaid bounds, that then the said Wm Farrar measured his full quantities upon the northerly bounds of the said lands into the woods"[36]

The previous info from the profile for William Farrar (senior), which also had this information about the Garland.

17 June 1619: Court minutes stated that the ship Garland was carrying 130 passengers, 90 of them to be dropped off at Somers Island (now known as Bermuda) in the charge of Capt. Miles Kendall and the remaining 40 were to travel on to Virginia, where they would be under the charge of William Farrar.[37]

Newtown or Manafan or Glan Meheli

The very confusing conclusion from Kay Haden's site, which appears to be a copy of an SGM discussion:[34]

Mail Group on Google: soc.genealogy.medieval, "Royal Ancestry: John Price of Jamestown", Exchange of 28 March 2004.
Paul K Davis: Fellow Researchers & Family, I have concluded that John Price, who came to Jamestown, Virginia in 1611, was a descendent of king Malcolm II of Scotland and of king Ethelred "the unready" of England. This John Price is an ancestor of my paternal grandmother, Dorotha Ellen Repass.
For nearly a century it has been claimed that this John Price was descended from barons who signed the Magna Carta, however some aspects of his ancestry have been the subject of divergent claims. I consulted GEDCOM databases made public through the internet and found quite a few discrepancies in what was said about who his ancestors were. I have compared these, eliminated those which could be disproved, and found one, by Jackie Watson, remaining. I have checked its conclusions using generally reliable library sources and citations of primary evidence, and concluded that it is indeed correct. I found that one line in this ancestry, when traced further, led to kings Malcolm II of Scotland and Ethelred II of England.
Below I present this line, with comments where it seems appropriate, followed by a list of the important sources.
John Price [1583/4 - 1628/30] was son of Richard Price and Ursula. John has often been listed as son of Thomas Price, vicar of St. Chad's in Shrewsbury, without citation of primary evidence, but comparison of his signature on a petition of the Virginia House of Burgesses with the signature on a Welsh indenture shows he was son of Richard Price, of Manafon, Montgomeryshire, and his wife Ursula. Close estimates from both sides of the Atlantic also agree concerning his age.
Richard was son of Richard ap John Price and Elizabeth Herbert. Richard has often been listed as son of Richard ap John Price of Newtown, but there was also a Richard ap John Price of Glan Meheli, and Burke lists the Richard of Newtown as having died without issue. Furthermore, Richard the

father of the immigrant John Price is shown to have an association with the Glan Meheli branch of the Price family by common attendance of children at the same school in Shrewsbury. The above cited indenture shows Richard, the father of immigrant John, to have had a brother named Thomas, and the Visitation shows Richard ap John Price of Glan Meheli, to have had younger sons name Richard and Thomas. This Thomas is generally believed to be the one who was vicar of St. Chad's. While there is another Price family of Manafon, that Richard has a wife not named Ursula, and his son John evidently raised a family in Britain, not Virginia. Immigrant John was listed in the school records as son of a gentlemen, and the Glan Meheli family was such. Manafon is a bit north of Glan Meheli, and both are in the sector of Montgomeryshire which borders the portion of Shropshire containing Shrewsbury. I conclude we must accept this match, and reject the Newtown claim with its possible Magna Carta connections.

Elizabeth Herbert [- 1574], the grandmother of immigrant John, was daughter of Richard Herbert [1468/70 - 1539] and Anne verch David. The Visitation pedigree, signed by her husband Richard and eldest son Edward, clearly shows this. This Richard was a son of Richard Herbert [1412-1469], of Coldbrook, and Margred verch Thomas. The signed Visitation pedigree clearly shows this. These relationships are also shown in the generally accepted pedigree of the Herberts as given in, for example, Burke's Landed Gentry, latest edition, which also gives further Herbert ancestry.
Margred was the sister of the important Welshman, Sir Rhys ap Thomas [-1525], whose ancestry has been well studied. Their mother was Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John Griffith [- 1471] of Wichnor in Staffordshire. John's parents were Thomas Griffith [1377 - 1431] and Anne Blount. Thomas' father was Rhys ap Griffith the younger [- 1381]. Rhys' parents were Rhys ap Griffith the elder [- 1356] and Joan Somerville [- 1376]. ... [more on Hayden's site]

Parents Richard & Ursula

From Kay's site (apparently from Vina's book): "John Pryce, was described as son and heir of Richard Pryce in an indenture in 1610-11 from Richard Pryce of Manavon, Montgomery County, Gentlemen, and Ursula Pryce, his wife to ___ Robinson. Thomas Pryce, brother of Richard Price II, was one of the witnesses. [Indenture, British Museum, A.D.D. Charter 1036, PC]. The signature on this indenture corresponds in every detail with the signature of John Price on the Petition to the King sent from Virginia in 1625-26 when John Price signed as a member of the Burgess. [Public Record Office, London, England, C.O. 1/3, 17276, PC]."[34]

Richard Price

From Richard Price (1555-1638) (attached as son of Griffith Ap_Rhys-54, but no sources for it; had been attached as son of John Price-173 and his wife Elizabeth Blayney-2, but no source for that either; maybe son of Matthew Price (abt.1510-abt.1556)). Father of John the immigrant.
Copy of his profile text as of 26 January 2022; copies of unsourced FindAGrave bios with annotations to be deleted from the profile AFTER the merge of Price-172 & Price-8010 (so that it's available prior to the completion of the merge).
Biography snipped ONS sticker

Richard Pryce of Wales was named as the father of John Pryce in an indenture signed 1610-11.[38]

Research Notes

Parents: Either son of Griffith (Ap Rhys) Rhys (abt.1501-abt.1528), son of Richard Price (born 1530), or son of Griffith's brother (per WikiTree as of 24 January 2022) John Price (abt.1544-) and Elizabeth Blayney (1546-1547), John's wife (Elizabeth Blayney, born 1538, also said to have been wife of Richard Price - see below). Note - this profile, [Price-172], was detached from John and Elizabeth as parents on 24 January 2022.

Neither this profile - [Price-172]: Richard Price (1555-1638), previously attached as son of John and Elizabeth - nor Richard (Price) ap Rhys (abt.1554-abt.1638), attached as son of Griffith, included any reliable sources as of 23 January 2022. (It should be noted that a son of Griffith would be ap Griffith, not ap Rhys.)

Pre-merge - this profile appears to be a duplicate of Price-8010 and a merge has been proposed. At the time of the proposal, the datafields for this profile ([Price-172]) had the following information:

Richard Price, born 1555 in Manavon, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Husband of Ursula (Middleton) Price — married 1582 in Wales,,,England
Died Apr 1638 in Montgomeryshire, Wales

The datafields for Price-8010 at the time of the proposed merge had the following information (sources: FindAGrave[39] and "Research of Frances Lowrey Brasher."):

Richard ap Rhys formerly Price, born about 1554 in Montgomeryshire, Wales
Son of Griffith (Ap Rhys) Rhys and [mother unknown]
Husband of Elsbeth (Games) Price — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of Ursula (Middleton) Price — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Father of Daniel Price, John Price I, Richard Price and William Price
Died about Apr 1638 in Montgomeryshire, Wales
Main Sources...
... for the family of "John Price, the Immigrant":
  • FindAGrave: The Price family that immigrated to America as portrayed by FindAGrave memorials has serious issues in that connections and facts are given with no supporting evidence. Any information citing FindAGrave should be collaborated with another source.[40]
  • The 1910 work of the Rev. B.L. Price was the definitive work for many years, but contains many inaccuracies, which the later work of V.C. Price discusses. Information from the Reverend's pamphlet that does not cite primary sources should be collaborated with another source.[41]
  • V.C. Price's 1988 book on the immigrant John Price is the most recent and most reliable research as of this writing (24 January 2022).[38]
  • Primary sources remain the best, most reliable sources, but as with many other early Virginians it can be difficult to determine which person of the same name a record is for.
FindAGrave Information
As just noted, the following biographical information, sourced to FindAGrave should be collaborated with another source.
Richard Price was born abt 1555 in Manavon, Montgomeryshire, Wales. He was the son of Richard Price (1530-) and Elizabeth (Blayney) Price (1538-).[39]
Elizabeth Blayney needs research - see Price-174#Elizabeth_Blayney (as of 26 January 2022, showed duplicate profiles and multiple husbands)
Richard married Ursula Middleton (1560-1637) in 1582 in Wales. Ursula was the daughter of David Middleton (1535-) and Ellen (Donne) Middleton (1542-).[39]
Middleton as surname not supportable. Ursula Middleton who died in 1637 was wife of John Middleton (maiden name unknown) and mother of William Middleton (born/died 1637).
Richard and Ursula Price were the parents of the following known children: Richard, William, Andrew, John, Thomas, Walter and Daniel.[39]
not sure how "known" - John and William are noted as sons of "Richard Price I of Newtown, who had sons Rev. Thomas Price, Vicar of St. Chads, b. 1552, d. 1620 and, Richard Price II, Gentleman of Manavon, Tanner, who had by his wife Ursula Middleton, two sons, John Price of whom presently [the immigrant], and William Price. [Dwynn, Vol., 2, pp. 330, 335 and 348]." but - I have not been able to find this in the cited source. That Richard, Gentleman, was father of John is noted above (in #Biography).
FindAGrave Memorial #132122308 for Richard's father Richard as of 24 January 2022:[42]
Richard Price was born abt 1530 in Newton, Montgomeryshire, Wales. He was the son of Matthew Goch Price (1512-1550) and Joyce Verch (Rhys) Price (1504-1550).[42]
Have not found a son Richard of Matthew & Joyce
Richard married Elizabeth Blaeney (1546-1574)in Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales in 1550. She was the daughter of Rhys Ap Maurice Ap Blaeney (1493-1568) and Gwenllian Verch John (1498-1547).[42]
Elizabeth Blayney needs research - see Price-174#Elizabeth_Blayney (as of 26 January 2022, showed duplicate profiles and multiple husbands)
Richard and Elizabeth [Blaeney] Price were the parents of the following known children: Richard Price and Thomas Price.[42]
From Haden's webpage: "The above cited indenture shows Richard, the father of immigrant John, to have had a brother named Thomas, and the Visitation shows Richard ap John Price of Glan Meheli, to have had younger sons name[d] Richard and Thomas. This Thomas is generally believed to be the one who was vicar of St. Chad's. - have not found Richard ap John in Visitation as of 26 Jan. 2022 ... I got a bit lost here, but I think that while the FindAGrave memorial says this Richard is son of Matthew, the info collected by Kay Haden says he's the son of John.
Richard Price died on 23 Aug 1601 in Manavon, Montgomeryshire, Wales. His burial information is unknown.[42]
Google Search for "Richard Price" +1601 returns a Geni entry, a FamilySearch PID, and an Ancestry Tree - the following was included in the search results: "Richard Price (1520-1601)... Born in Newton Hall, Montgomeryshire, Wales on 1520. Richard Price married Elzabeth Browse and had 1 child. He passed away on 1601 in Newton..."
Records Search
Middlesex
From Find A Grave:[40][39]
  • London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about Richard Price: Burial Date: 26 Nov 1639; Parish: St Mary, Whitechapel; County: Middlesex; Borough: Tower Hamlets; Record Type: Burial; Register Type: Parish Register.
Search for collaborating source:
  • freereg.uk.org - found three burials for a Richard Price in Middlesex between 1635 and 1640, but none in 1639 and none at St Mary, Whitechapel. There was one burial of a Price (no given name) in 1639, but in Shropshire (on 14 April). ~ Noland-165, 24 January 2022.
Wales - freereg searches for John and Richard in Montgomeryshire found no matches. ~ 24 January 2022.
DBEs / Warnings
John Price-173 and Elizabeth Blayney-2 were detached as parents of this profile on 24 January 2022 to resolve DBEs.
Elizabeth Blayney needs research - see Price-174#Elizabeth_Blayney (as of 26 January 2022, showed duplicate profiles and multiple husbands)

Tangles

Blaeney/Blayneys

From the profile of Matthew Price (abt.1510-abt.1556) (see also Price-172):
A merge added another wife, Elisabeth Blayney: Elisabeth (Blayney) Price (1530-). His son John is also attached as husband to Elizabeth Blayney: Elizabeth (Blayney) Price (1546-1547) - sister of the first Elisabeth Blayney. The first Elisabeth Blayney (Blayney-66) is also attached as wife of Griffith ap Rhys (abt.1501-abt.1528), who is attached as husband of Elizabeth Herbert (Herbert-1901), son of Matthew Price ([Price-174]), and father of Richard (Price-8010), born 1554, now in a proposed merge with Richard Price-172, born 1555, husband of Ursula. Richard and Ursula are said to be the parents of John "the Immigrant" Price-171. ~ as of 26 January 2022
Obviously, some additional research is needed.
and... see Research Notes in next section

Price m Price

From the profile of Catherin Price (1575-1623), wife of John, daughter of Richard:
Catherin Price, daughter of Sir Richard Pryse of Gogerddan, married Sir John Pryce of Newton. Their daughter Bridget married Lewis Blaeney, Esq.[43]
Research Notes
Bridget, daughter of James Price of Monaughty, Rad., was the second wife of Sir John Pryce of London and Gogerddan (born by 1532, first son of Richard ap Dafydd). John's first wife was Elizabeth Perrot, daughter of Thomas Perrot and step-sister of Sir John Perrot. By Elizabeth, John had two sons: Richard and Thomas.[44] Bridget Rhys-128 (b 1532), m John Pryse-35 (b 1530), da. of James Rhys-129 & Elizabeth Clement-1520
--
see previous bit about Blayneys

https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/price-john-i-1532-84 - same john.

See also:
  • History of Parliament Online biographies for
    • Richard Price (1562-1623) of Gogerddan - no mention of daughter Catherin.
    • John Price (d 1602) of Newton - no mention of a daughter Bridget or wife Catherin.
    • John Perrot (1528/29-92) of Haroldston and Carew Castle, Pemb.
    • Henry Jones (c1532-86), married (1) Elizabeth Herbert, daughter of Mathew; half-brother of John Perrot (previous entry) and mentioned in the biography of John, son of Richard ap Rhys ap Dafydd Lloyd of Gogerddan, as a brother-in-law. Henry Jones...
-- need to add... from SGM, citing p 331 (#347) in Dwnn's vol I:

"The Visitation text to which I refer is near the bottom of page 315 of volume one of Meyrick's edition of Dwn. It is captioned "The Pedigrees of Richd. ap John ap Meredith, one of the Gentlemen of the Parish of Kerie". The third paragraph begins - "The said Rich\d maried Elizabeth, y\e younger daughter of Sir Rich\d Herbert, K\t son to S\t Rich\d Herbert, K\t descended of Colebrook. They had issue Edward, James, John, Charles, Thomas, Rich\d, Marg\t, and Mary." Further information is provided on the ancestry of Richard Price and on the wives and children of his oldest son, Edward. The section concludes "Testified by Rich\d Jno. Meredith and Edward Price, vi. die Junii, Anno R. R. Elizabeth xxviii Anno Domini 1586." Since two children are given by Edward's first wife, and none by his second wife, I would assume the two children were young in 1586. This makes them probably just a little bit older than my immigrant, who was apparently born in 1584, as would be expected if they were cousins, with my immigrant's father being a younger brother."[45]

Comments

Comment posted 26 January 2022 on Price-171 (by me):

I'm not finding support for a mother named Ursula. I did find information that David Middleton is not known to have had a daughter named Ursula - see the discussion here - so his mother was not Ursula Middleton. There was an Ursula Middleton who was buried in 1637, in England, but she was the wife of John Middleton (maiden name not known - see this G2G discussion).

From what I've been able to determine, the FindAGrave memorial should not be used as a source for him. Is there another source that can be cited for his mother being a Middleton?

And on Ursula's profile the same day:

Please see the discussion here about "Ursula Middleton", daughter of David, which is persuasive that David had no daughter named Ursula.

That the mother of John "the immigrant" Price is named Ursula is based on a 1610-11 indenture cited in Vina Price's 1998 book (however, I have not been able to confirm that the indenture existed as transcribed, or that her book is citing it as having been confirmed by her or being shared from an unconfirmed source).

I think that this profile needs to be detached from David and Ellen & changed to "Unknown" Last Name at Birth (LNAB). If she is retained as wife of Richard or moved to be mother of William Middleton (b/d 1637) is another question.

Vina's book... snippit view shows the indenture mentioned on p 511, which is the appendix, which I believe shares unconfirmed information. And the snippit does not include the full transcription (just Richard, not Ursula) - see this search of the Google Book

Comment posted 21 Jan. 2022 (by me) on Price-760:

I think that this John, son of John, is the one said to have arrived in Virginia aboard the George, 21 August 1635, age 34 - putting him as born in 1601 (before Ann, who was born about 1604).

The 1638 patent reference is confusing for two reasons - first, the same 1638 patent appears to be cited as being granted to Mathew, son and heir of John, and to John, son and heir of John. Both refer to the land that was granted to father John as being held "by his mother Ann Hallom"... which would support them both being sons of Ann, if the writer of the patent was being literal (that Ann was actually the mother of Mathew, rather than his step-mother... called then mother-in-law).

From what I can tell, the same book that uses the 1638 patent to refute that Mathew was a son of John and Mary says that John and Mary had two sons and a daughter (John and Mathew, and probably Mary). ~ See this search & the intro for the book.

The second problem with a 1638 patent granted to a son of John means that the son had to have been at least 21 years old at the time - only adults could patent land. So he would have been born in 1617 or earlier. The Ann who was listed as wife of John Price in the 1624/5 Jamestowne Muster was born about 1604 and arrived in Virginia aboard the Francis Bonaventure in 1620; John had arrived in 1611 aboard the Starr.

And trying to figure the timeline for John the father, considering a term of indenture to account for the 8 years between his arrival (in 1611) and patent for land (in 1619)... the following scenario works:

John (the father)

  1. arrived in Virginia in 1611, leaving a wife and son John (born c1601) in England,
  2. served several years of an indenture
  3. went home c1614/1615, where he fathered Mathew (born before 1617; per the George, born 1615)
  4. returned to America (right away? alone? with Mary? since his sons John and Mathew are said to have arrived in 1635 aboard the George, it seems that they grew up in England)
  5. patented 150 acres of land in 1619 (20 Feb. 1619 - 1618/19 or 1619/20?)
  6. 1623/4, living with wife (not named) at Neck of Land, per Living and Dead list
  7. 1624/5, living at Neck of Land with wife Ann, per 1624/5 Jamestown Muster; 3-month-old Mary Price listed with them by Hotten- note: search of Jamestown Muster for just "Mary" turns her up
  8. 1628, died

BUT... I don't see that John ever did patent land.

Footnotes

  1. ↑ page 45, Visitations of Wales - Richard m Elliw.
  2. ↑ Visitations of Wales, page 313.
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 Visitations of Wales, pages 315-316.
  4. ↑
  5. ↑ Jacob Youde William Lloyd, The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog: And the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd, Volume 4 (T. Richards, 1884): "Newtown Hall and Vaenor", page 374; Meredith's pedigree continues on page 259. (Google Books, accessed 1 February 2022).
  6. ↑ "b. 1561,1 1st. s. of John Price I† of the Inner Temple and Gogerddan and his 1st w. Elizabeth, da. of Thomas Perrot of Islington, Mdx. and Haroldston, Pemb.2 educ. Clifford’s Inn; I. Temple 1583.3 m. bef. 1591, Gwen (Gwenllian) (d.1639) da. and h. of Thomas ap Rhys ap Morys ap Owen of Aberbechan, Newtown, Mont., 4s (1 d.v.p.), 6da.(2 d.v.p.)4 suc. fa. 1584;5 kntd. 28 June 1603.6 d. 5 Feb. 1623.7 sig. Rich[ard] Pryse." ~ https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/price-sir-richard-1561-1623
  7. ↑ "b. c.1562, 1st s. of John Price I by his 1st w., and bro. of Thomas. educ. I. Temple 1582. m. Gwen (or Gwenllian), da. and h. of Thomas ap Rhys ap Morus of Aberbechan, Newtown, Mont., 2s. 5da. suc. fa. 1584. Kntd. 1602.1" ~ http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/price-richard-ii-1562-1623
  8. ↑ The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient ..., Volume 4, "Newtown Hall and Vaenor", page 374.
  9. ↑ Richard Price (1562-1623) of Gogerddan
  10. ↑ Jacob Youde William Lloyd, The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog: And the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd, Volume 4 (T. Richards, 1884): "Newtown Hall and Vaenor", page 374; Meredith's pedigree continues on page 259. (Google Books, accessed 1 February 2022).
  11. ↑ Richard was the brother of Thomas Price, vicar of St. Chad's in Shrewsbury. Their father was Richard ap John Price of Glan Meheli (m Elizabeth Herbert? - per SGM recap) ... Richard ap Richard ap John Price of Glan Meheli "had younger sons named Richard and Thomas. This Thomas is generally believed to be the one who was vicar of St. Chad's." (SGM recap, citing "the Visitation") I infer that the Richard & Thomas brothers were Richard father of John the Immigrant and his brother Thomas, Vicar of St. Chad's, but the SGM post might be saying that the Vicar is a different generation. - based on "The above cited indenture shows Richard, the father of immigrant John, to have had a brother named Thomas, and the Visitation shows Richard ap John Price of Glan Meheli, to have had younger sons name Richard and Thomas."
  12. ↑ 12.0 12.1 SGM and/or Kay Haden: "Elizabeth Herbert [- 1574], the grandmother of immigrant John, was daughter of Richard Herbert [1468/70 - 1539] and Anne verch David. The Visitation pedigree, signed by her husband Richard and eldest son Edward, clearly shows this. This Richard was a son of Richard Herbert [1412-1469], of Coldbrook, and Margred verch Thomas. The signed Visitation pedigree clearly shows this."
  13. ↑ Herbert pedigree, page 312, Visitation of Wales
  14. ↑ Maybe this Richard (or a relative?): Meredith-634
  15. ↑ Sir Richard had married (1) Jane ferch Wm ap Rees ap Philip, Esq., the widow of his brother Sir William of Colebrook
  16. ↑ John Price (d 1602) of Newton
  17. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Price-174
  18. ↑ Richard Price (1562-1623) of Gogerddan
  19. ↑ Brown, The First Repupublic in America, page 149 (accessed 22 January 2022).
  20. ↑ Jamestown Muster, Starr search (22 January 2022). Results: 12 persons: 3 arriving in May but no year given, 2 with no date at all given, 5 in 1610, and 2 in 1608. William Price, at Colledge Land, Henrico, was one with not date at all (and also no age).
  21. ↑ Adventurers of Purse and Person, citing Patent Book 1, part 2, p.558.
  22. ↑ 22.0 22.1 22.2 22.3 Brown, The First Repupublic in America, page 617 (accessed 22 January 2022).
  23. ↑ http://www.virtualjamestown.org/Muster/search.muster.cgi?start_page=0&search_type=basic&database=muster_1624&last=Price&first=&muster=&age-op=&age1=&age2=&loc=Neck-of-Land%2C+Charles+Cittie&loc=Colledge-Land%2C+Henrico&month=&year=&date= Price search], at Neck of Land and Colledge Land.
  24. ↑ Muster - William Price.
  25. ↑ Hotten: https://archive.org/details/originallistsofp00hottuoft/page/280/mode/1up?q=price&view=theater
  26. ↑ "John Price the Emigrant" (see page 9, 13 of 64, accessed 7 April 2021), citing "Hotten's Original List" (see page 125).
  27. ↑ From Matthew Price's profile (accessed 6 April 2021), citing American Ancestry, Vol. XI., page 129; as cited in Price, Rev. Benjamin Luther, p 9.
  28. ↑ Hotten's Original List, as cited in Price, Rev. Benjamin Luther, p 9
  29. ↑ Will copied from the profile of John Price (6 May 2021). Citation to "Henrico Co VA Records, p.15." Sources given for the profile:
    • Vina Chandler Price, C. G., Compiler, Ancestors and Descendants of John Price: Immigrant to Virginia 1610-11 (Baltimore: Gateway Press, Inc., 1988)
    • Virginia M. Meyer & John Frederick Dorman, Adventurers of Purse and Person: Virginia 1706-1624/5, (Order of First Families of Virginia, 1607-1624/5; 3rd edition 1987), p.494 "Price"
  30. ↑ WikiTree search 6 May 2021: probably this this Francis Dancy (the profile for his son Francis has born Virginia).
  31. ↑ Margaret was the wife of Col. James Crewes. An "Associations" section in Giles Carter's profile (here, accessed 6 May 2021) notes that Giles is called "my loving friend Giles Carter" in the will of Col. James Crewes, "who also lived on Turkey Island.[1] During Bacon's Rebellion, Col. Crewe/Crewes was tried, court-martialed, and sentenced to be hanged."
    [1] Carter, William G., (1909) Giles Carter of Virginia, Genealogical Memoir by William Giles Harding Carter. Baltimore: Lord Baltimore Press Archive.org (Pages 32-33, 38-43).
  32. ↑ From the profile of John Price (6 May 2021).
  33. ↑ https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/LkmvilMSzFY accessed 22 Jan 2022
  34. ↑ 34.0 34.1 34.2 "Some Descendants of John Price", posted in Rootsweb by Kay Haden, First Generation (accessed 24 January 2022).
  35. ↑ Early Virginia Families Along the James River: Henrico County, Goochland County, Virginia, page 6 (Jno. Price transported by William Farrar); page 9 of the reference has the entry for Mathew Price's 1638 patent as son and heir of John who had the 1619 patent, and calls his mother Ann Hallom.
  36. ↑ "Records of the Farrar Patent Lands". University of Rochester School of Arts and Sciences. University of Rochester website.
  37. ↑ Records of the Virginia Company, 1606-26, Volume III: Miscellaneous Records on Library of Congress website accessed 14 Nov 2019, pages 177 (Jun 1619), 324 (Jun 1620), and 566 (Feb 1623/4).
  38. ↑ 38.0 38.1 Vina Chandler Price, C. G., compiler, Ancestors and Descendants of John Price: Immigrant to Virginia 1610-11 (Baltimore: Gateway Press, Inc., 1988).
  39. ↑ 39.0 39.1 39.2 39.3 39.4 Find A Grave: Memorial #130727945 for Richard Price (1555-1639), accessed 24 January 2022.
  40. ↑ 40.0 40.1 Global, Find A Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current; Ancestry link.
  41. ↑ Rev. Benjamin Luther Price, John Price the emigrant, Jamestown colony 1620, with some of his descendants (Alexandria, Louisiana publishing, 1910), pdf, archive.org (full text).
  42. ↑ 42.0 42.1 42.2 42.3 42.4 Find A Grave: Memorial #132122308 for Richard Price (1530-1601).
  43. ↑ Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick (1846). Lewys Dwnn's Heraldic visitations of Wales and part of the Marches; between the years 1586 and 1613, under the authority of Clarencieux and Norroy, two kings at arms, page 299 (#331), footnote 5, accessed 26 January 2022.
  44. ↑ John ap Richard ap Dafydd Lloyd Rhys (c1532-84), accessed 26 January 2022.
  45. ↑ SGM post by Paul K. Davis, 29 March 2004, in the discussion "Royal ancestry: John Price of Jamestown" (accessed 26 January 2022).
  • Alexander Brown, The First Republic In America (Boston: Houghton, Mifflin and company, 1898), Hathi Trust.
  • Rev. Benjamin Luther Price, John Price the emigrant, Jamestown colony 1620, with some of his descendants (Alexandria, Louisiana publishing, 1910), pdf, archive.org (full text).
  • Vina Chandler Price, C. G., compiler, Ancestors and Descendants of John Price: Immigrant to Virginia 1610-11 (Baltimore: Gateway Press, Inc., 1988), [Google Books (snippit view).
  • Annie Lash Jester, Martha Woodruff Hiden. Adventures of Purse and Person Virginia1607-1625 and their families (1956), FamilySearch copy, page 272 (317 of 491), accessed 24 January 2022 (free, but login required).
  • Kay Haden, Rootsweb site, "Some Descendants of John Price", First Generation (accessed 24 January 2022).

Too Many Tabs

Too many tabs open, 26 Jan 2022 (no wonder my computer crashes every hour or so!):


Copy of Space: Price Genealogy... (before re-do)

As of 1 February 2022, 5:24 PM, here's what the Space page had. I'm going to start over this evening.

Researchers and descendants disagree and sources are unclear and contradictory. This page is for reference to WikiTree family trees that are involved.

John the Immigrant

Price-171: John Price I (abt.1584-1628), arrived in Virginia aboard the Starr, probably the sailing which arrived 22 May 1611. He is shown as 40 years old in the 1624/5 Jamestown Muster with wife Ann (21) and a 3-month-old child named Mary.[46]

Birth about 1584 based on age reported in the 1624/5 Jamestown Muster (40). The Jamestowne Society has his birth as about 1586 and death in 1628.[47]

The 1626 report on the status of Virginia shows that John Price had 150 acres "by patent" in Henrico Corporation.[48] Mathew Price, "sonn and heire to John Price", was granted 150 acres in 1638, "[d]ue in right of his father who had a pattent of 150 acs. graunted 20 Feb. 1619 by Sir Georg Yeardly."[49][50] As explained on Kay Haden's site:[34]

There were two ways to acquire land in the Virginia Colony - either by paying for it or for laboring for seven years, after which one received a dividend for 100 acres of land. A "headright" of 50 acres could be earned by paying for one's own way or by paying passage for someone else. John Price received 150 acres in 1619; the first 100 apparently through his indenture; the 50 acres possibly acquired by paying passage for someone. If the first land was planted, he could become eligible for a matching tract. Son Matthew received the matching 150 acres after the death of his father. [Henrico Patents 1623/43, p.551]. At the time Matthew received this patent, his mother and stepfather, Robert Hallom, were living adjacent the original patent.[34]

See this G2G discussion, which includes the following synopsis by Kathie Forbes (posted 26 January 2022):

Dorman discusses this family at length in "Adventurers of Purse and Person,"[51] although there is no mention of John Price's antecedents. John arrived in Virginia in 1611 on the Starr, his wife Ann arrived on the Francis Bonaventure in 1620. John died in 1628 and his widow married a man named Robert Hallom. According to Dorman John and Ann were the parents of three children, a daughter Mary 3 months old in 1624/25, a son Matthew, alive in 1638, and a son John, age unknown. Matthew and Mary apparently died without descendants. Per Dorman, the sons of John Price sold in 1677 the land that Matthew patented in 1638 which "shows that John was the third child of John Price." (Vol. 2, p. 829). John the younger married the daughter of John Wall; they had two children Daniel and another John (identified as such in the will of John's widow's second husband, John Rowen).

Unknown-553968: Ann (Unknown) Llewellyn (1604-bef.1666)

John's widow, Ann (maiden name unknown), married (2) Robert Hallom, (3) Daniel Llewellyn. She was the mother of Daniel's children, named in his will; she may have been the mother or Robert's heirs. See her profile for details & sources.

Father of John

Price-172: Richard Price (1555-1638) - dates need confirmation; wife needs source (currently Ursula Middleton-22, but no support that she was a Middleton).

Richard is father of John the Immigrant because...

"John Pryce, was described as son and heir of Richard Pryce in an indenture in 1610-11 from Richard Pryce of Manavon, Montgomery County, Gentlemen, and Ursula Pryce, his wife to ___ Robinson. Thomas Pryce, brother of Richard Price II, was one of the witnesses. [Indenture, British Museum, A.D.D. Charter 1036, PC]. The signature on this indenture corresponds in every detail with the signature of John Price on the Petition to the King sent from Virginia in 1625-26 when John Price signed as a member of the Burgess. [Public Record Office, London, England, C.O. 1/3, 17276, PC]." ...
"This John Pryce was registered at the Shrewsbury School as John Pryce, gen. F. (i.e. 'son of a gentleman') 2 June 1600, two shillings sixpence. This was the entrance register. Two shillings sixpence were paid by those students not living in the town of Shrewsbury. Pupils generally entered at the age of fifteen or thereabouts. The three sons of Rev. Thomas [Pryce] of St. Chads entered in the following order: Daniel, Samson, John and each paid two pence because they were 'oppidans', (i.e. living in town). The John of this group, entering in 1603, therefore born about 1588 or 1589."

See this 2004 SGM discussion (especially the posts by Paul K Davis) and this Rootsweb page (by Kay Haden).

SGM discussion includes the following points:
  • The above cited indenture shows Richard, the father of immigrant John, to have had a brother named Thomas, and
  • the Visitation shows Richard ap John Price of Glan Meheli, to have had younger sons name Richard and Thomas. This Thomas is generally believed to be the one who was vicar of St. Chad's.
  • While there is another Price family of Manafon, that Richard has a wife not named Ursula, and his son John evidently raised a family in Britain, not Virginia.
  • Immigrant John was listed in the school records as son of a gentlemen, and the Glan Meheli family was such.
  • Manafon is a bit north of Glan Meheli, and both are in the sector of Montgomeryshire which borders the portion of Shropshire containing Shrewsbury.
  • I [PKD] conclude we must accept this match, and reject the Newtown claim with its possible Magna Carta connections.

Vina Price's 1988 Ancestor and Descendants of John Price says that the John who came to Virginia aboard the Starr is "of Breckonshire".[52] Research discussed in SGM concludes his father was of Glan Meheli, with ties to the Marafon Prices (not the Newtown Prices).[53]

Which Richard

Which Richard (in the records and in WikiTree) is the father of John the Immigrant is a bit trickier to determine.
The WikiTree profile being developed as the one representing the father of John the immigrant is
The History of Parliament Online has two biographies for the Richard Price who is son of John, with a brother Thomas (but this Richard's wife is listed as Gwen/Gwenllian, not Ursula):
  • Sir Richard Price (1561-1623) of Plâs Gogerddan, Gogerddan, Llanbadarn Fawr, Cardiganshire, "m. bef. 1591, Gwen (Gwenllian) (d.1639) da. and h. of Thomas ap Rhys ap Morys ap Owen of Aberbechan, Newtown, Mont., 4s (1 d.v.p.), 6da.(2 d.v.p.)4 suc. fa. 1584;5 kntd. 28 June 1603.6 d. 5 Feb. 1623.7 sig. Rich[ard] Pryse." biographical information in the 1604-1629 section
  • Richard Price (1562-1623) of Gogerddan, Llanbadarnfawr, Cardiganshire married "Gwen (or Gwenllian), da. and h. of Thomas ap Rhys ap Morus of Aberbechan, Newtown, Mont." from the 1558-1602 section
  • Brother of Thomas Price (-1623)
  • Richard and Thomas were sons of John Price (by 1532-84) of the Inner Temple, London and Gogerddan, Card., who married (1) Elizabeth Perrot, (2) Bridget, daughter of James Price of Monaughty, Rad. This John Price has a second History of Parliament Online biography:
So, these WikiTree profiles are not the Richard (and family) that we're looking for:
Also not the Richard who was father of John the immigrant:

"Coming Soon[ish]"

Father of Richard

That's up next/being worked on.

Footnotes & Source List

  1. ↑ page 45, Visitations of Wales - Richard m Elliw.
  2. ↑ Visitations of Wales, page 313.
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 Visitations of Wales, pages 315-316.
  4. ↑
  5. ↑ Jacob Youde William Lloyd, The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog: And the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd, Volume 4 (T. Richards, 1884): "Newtown Hall and Vaenor", page 374; Meredith's pedigree continues on page 259. (Google Books, accessed 1 February 2022).
  6. ↑ "b. 1561,1 1st. s. of John Price I† of the Inner Temple and Gogerddan and his 1st w. Elizabeth, da. of Thomas Perrot of Islington, Mdx. and Haroldston, Pemb.2 educ. Clifford’s Inn; I. Temple 1583.3 m. bef. 1591, Gwen (Gwenllian) (d.1639) da. and h. of Thomas ap Rhys ap Morys ap Owen of Aberbechan, Newtown, Mont., 4s (1 d.v.p.), 6da.(2 d.v.p.)4 suc. fa. 1584;5 kntd. 28 June 1603.6 d. 5 Feb. 1623.7 sig. Rich[ard] Pryse." ~ https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/price-sir-richard-1561-1623
  7. ↑ "b. c.1562, 1st s. of John Price I by his 1st w., and bro. of Thomas. educ. I. Temple 1582. m. Gwen (or Gwenllian), da. and h. of Thomas ap Rhys ap Morus of Aberbechan, Newtown, Mont., 2s. 5da. suc. fa. 1584. Kntd. 1602.1" ~ http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/price-richard-ii-1562-1623
  8. ↑ The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient ..., Volume 4, "Newtown Hall and Vaenor", page 374.
  9. ↑ Richard Price (1562-1623) of Gogerddan
  10. ↑ Jacob Youde William Lloyd, The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog: And the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd, Volume 4 (T. Richards, 1884): "Newtown Hall and Vaenor", page 374; Meredith's pedigree continues on page 259. (Google Books, accessed 1 February 2022).
  11. ↑ Richard was the brother of Thomas Price, vicar of St. Chad's in Shrewsbury. Their father was Richard ap John Price of Glan Meheli (m Elizabeth Herbert? - per SGM recap) ... Richard ap Richard ap John Price of Glan Meheli "had younger sons named Richard and Thomas. This Thomas is generally believed to be the one who was vicar of St. Chad's." (SGM recap, citing "the Visitation") I infer that the Richard & Thomas brothers were Richard father of John the Immigrant and his brother Thomas, Vicar of St. Chad's, but the SGM post might be saying that the Vicar is a different generation. - based on "The above cited indenture shows Richard, the father of immigrant John, to have had a brother named Thomas, and the Visitation shows Richard ap John Price of Glan Meheli, to have had younger sons name Richard and Thomas."
  12. ↑ 12.0 12.1 SGM and/or Kay Haden: "Elizabeth Herbert [- 1574], the grandmother of immigrant John, was daughter of Richard Herbert [1468/70 - 1539] and Anne verch David. The Visitation pedigree, signed by her husband Richard and eldest son Edward, clearly shows this. This Richard was a son of Richard Herbert [1412-1469], of Coldbrook, and Margred verch Thomas. The signed Visitation pedigree clearly shows this."
  13. ↑ Herbert pedigree, page 312, Visitation of Wales
  14. ↑ Maybe this Richard (or a relative?): Meredith-634
  15. ↑ Sir Richard had married (1) Jane ferch Wm ap Rees ap Philip, Esq., the widow of his brother Sir William of Colebrook
  16. ↑ John Price (d 1602) of Newton
  17. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Price-174
  18. ↑ Richard Price (1562-1623) of Gogerddan
  19. ↑ Brown, The First Repupublic in America, page 149 (accessed 22 January 2022).
  20. ↑ Jamestown Muster, Starr search (22 January 2022). Results: 12 persons: 3 arriving in May but no year given, 2 with no date at all given, 5 in 1610, and 2 in 1608. William Price, at Colledge Land, Henrico, was one with not date at all (and also no age).
  21. ↑ Adventurers of Purse and Person, citing Patent Book 1, part 2, p.558.
  22. ↑ 22.0 22.1 22.2 22.3 Brown, The First Repupublic in America, page 617 (accessed 22 January 2022).
  23. ↑ http://www.virtualjamestown.org/Muster/search.muster.cgi?start_page=0&search_type=basic&database=muster_1624&last=Price&first=&muster=&age-op=&age1=&age2=&loc=Neck-of-Land%2C+Charles+Cittie&loc=Colledge-Land%2C+Henrico&month=&year=&date= Price search], at Neck of Land and Colledge Land.
  24. ↑ Muster - William Price.
  25. ↑ Hotten: https://archive.org/details/originallistsofp00hottuoft/page/280/mode/1up?q=price&view=theater
  26. ↑ "John Price the Emigrant" (see page 9, 13 of 64, accessed 7 April 2021), citing "Hotten's Original List" (see page 125).
  27. ↑ From Matthew Price's profile (accessed 6 April 2021), citing American Ancestry, Vol. XI., page 129; as cited in Price, Rev. Benjamin Luther, p 9.
  28. ↑ Hotten's Original List, as cited in Price, Rev. Benjamin Luther, p 9
  29. ↑ Will copied from the profile of John Price (6 May 2021). Citation to "Henrico Co VA Records, p.15." Sources given for the profile:
    • Vina Chandler Price, C. G., Compiler, Ancestors and Descendants of John Price: Immigrant to Virginia 1610-11 (Baltimore: Gateway Press, Inc., 1988)
    • Virginia M. Meyer & John Frederick Dorman, Adventurers of Purse and Person: Virginia 1706-1624/5, (Order of First Families of Virginia, 1607-1624/5; 3rd edition 1987), p.494 "Price"
  30. ↑ WikiTree search 6 May 2021: probably this this Francis Dancy (the profile for his son Francis has born Virginia).
  31. ↑ Margaret was the wife of Col. James Crewes. An "Associations" section in Giles Carter's profile (here, accessed 6 May 2021) notes that Giles is called "my loving friend Giles Carter" in the will of Col. James Crewes, "who also lived on Turkey Island.[1] During Bacon's Rebellion, Col. Crewe/Crewes was tried, court-martialed, and sentenced to be hanged."
    [1] Carter, William G., (1909) Giles Carter of Virginia, Genealogical Memoir by William Giles Harding Carter. Baltimore: Lord Baltimore Press Archive.org (Pages 32-33, 38-43).
  32. ↑ From the profile of John Price (6 May 2021).
  33. ↑ https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/LkmvilMSzFY accessed 22 Jan 2022
  34. ↑ 34.0 34.1 34.2 34.3 34.4 "Some Descendants of John Price", posted in Rootsweb by Kay Haden, First Generation (accessed 24 January 2022).
  35. ↑ Early Virginia Families Along the James River: Henrico County, Goochland County, Virginia, page 6 (Jno. Price transported by William Farrar); page 9 of the reference has the entry for Mathew Price's 1638 patent as son and heir of John who had the 1619 patent, and calls his mother Ann Hallom.
  36. ↑ "Records of the Farrar Patent Lands". University of Rochester School of Arts and Sciences. University of Rochester website.
  37. ↑ Records of the Virginia Company, 1606-26, Volume III: Miscellaneous Records on Library of Congress website accessed 14 Nov 2019, pages 177 (Jun 1619), 324 (Jun 1620), and 566 (Feb 1623/4).
  38. ↑ 38.0 38.1 Vina Chandler Price, C. G., compiler, Ancestors and Descendants of John Price: Immigrant to Virginia 1610-11 (Baltimore: Gateway Press, Inc., 1988).
  39. ↑ 39.0 39.1 39.2 39.3 39.4 Find A Grave: Memorial #130727945 for Richard Price (1555-1639), accessed 24 January 2022.
  40. ↑ 40.0 40.1 Global, Find A Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current; Ancestry link.
  41. ↑ Rev. Benjamin Luther Price, John Price the emigrant, Jamestown colony 1620, with some of his descendants (Alexandria, Louisiana publishing, 1910), pdf, archive.org (full text).
  42. ↑ 42.0 42.1 42.2 42.3 42.4 Find A Grave: Memorial #132122308 for Richard Price (1530-1601).
  43. ↑ Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick (1846). Lewys Dwnn's Heraldic visitations of Wales and part of the Marches; between the years 1586 and 1613, under the authority of Clarencieux and Norroy, two kings at arms, page 299 (#331), footnote 5, accessed 26 January 2022.
  44. ↑ John ap Richard ap Dafydd Lloyd Rhys (c1532-84), accessed 26 January 2022.
  45. ↑ SGM post by Paul K. Davis, 29 March 2004, in the discussion "Royal ancestry: John Price of Jamestown" (accessed 26 January 2022).
  46. ↑ Mustered at Neck of Land, with wife Ann and Mary, a 3-month-old child (not specifically stated as his daughter, or surnamed "Price"). The 1624/5 Jamestown Muster for John Price shows he was aboard the Starr - which sailing not stated, but he arrived in May:
    • Starr search (22 January 2022) shows 12 persons in the 1624/5 muster who arrived aboard the Starr, in 1608, in 1610, in May (no year), and with no month or year given: 3 arriving in May but no year given, 2 with no date at all given, 5 in 1610, and 2 in 1608. William Price, at Colledge Land, Henrico, was one of the two with no date at all (and also no age). Most researchers say that this William was a son of John by a wife named Mary; he could not have been a son of Ann (she was born about 1604, arriving in Virginia in 1620; he arrived in Virginia by 1611, as there is no known sailing of the Starr after the one that arrived in May 1611).
  47. ↑ Jamestowne Society: Price, John - A6408; born ca. 1586, died 1628; (Muster of 1624/5); Neck of Land: 1625 (Burgess). accessed 27 January 2022.
  48. ↑ Hotten, page 266 (accessed 27 January 2022).
  49. ↑ Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, page 88 (accessed 27 January 2022).
  50. ↑ See also Jester's Adventurers of Purse and Person, page 273 (318 of 491), accessed 27 January 2022 login to FamilySearch required.
  51. ↑ Jester's Adventurers of Purse and Person, "PRICE", pages 272-274 (317-319), FamilySearch copy login required. Dorman's Adventurers of Purse and Person, volume G-P, Google Books, snippit view, includes only one of the pages synopsized (page 830).
  52. ↑ VCP, Ancestor and Descendants of John Price Open Library (info from the blurbs, accessed 27 January 2022).
  53. ↑ 2004 SGM discussion, "Royal ancestry: John Price of Jamestown" (accessed 27 January 2022).
  • Alexander Brown, The First Republic In America (Boston: Houghton, Mifflin and company, 1898), Hathi Trust.
  • Paul K. Davis, SGM post 29 March 2004, in the discussion "Royal ancestry: John Price of Jamestown" (accessed 26 January 2022).
  • Kay Haden, Rootsweb site, "Some Descendants of John Price", First Generation.
  • John Camden Hotten, The original lists of persons of quality; emigrants; ... and others who went from Great Britain to the American Plantations, 1600-1700... (1874), archive.org.
  • Annie Lash Jester, Martha Woodruff Hiden. Adventures of Purse and Person Virginia1607-1625 and their families (1956), FamilySearch copy - free, but login required.
  • Nell Marion Nugent, Cavaliers and pioneers: abstracts of Virginia land patents and grants, 1623-1666, second edition (Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 1963), Hathi Trust; Cavaliers and pioneers; abstracts of Virginia land patents and grants, 1623-1800 (Richmond, Press of the Dietz Print Co., 1934) archive.org. See also WikiTree's source pages: Space:Cavaliers_And_Pioneers and Space:Cavaliers_and_Pioneers (duplicates, I think).
  • Rev. Benjamin Luther Price, John Price the emigrant, Jamestown colony 1620, with some of his descendants (Alexandria, Louisiana publishing, 1910), pdf, archive.org (full text).
  • Vina Chandler Price, C. G., compiler, Ancestors and Descendants of John Price: Immigrant to Virginia 1610-11 (Baltimore: Gateway Press, Inc., 1988), Google Books (snippit view).

copy of open edit view of Price Genealogy

I think that nothing had been changed after the previous save, but a LOT of changes made on a different copy, so I didn't save it.

John Price (abt.1586-1628)

This research page is for the ancestry of "John the Immigrant". Members of the two main branches - descendants of Thomas and Meredith, sons of Rhys ap Dafydd Llwyd[4] - are often confused, as are those members of more distantly related branches.

For more information about John Price in America and his descendants, see their profiles and the research space page Price Family - Jamestown and Virginia Patriots.

Lineage of John Price "the Immigrant"

John Price immigrated to Virginia aboard the Star, arriving in May - probably in the year 1611.[54] He was the son of Richard Pryce of Glan Meheli,[55][56] who was the son of Richard ap John ap Meredith, gent.[3]

To give John's ancestry in the Welsh way, from information in the Visitations of Wales:

John ap Richard ap Richard ap John ap Meredith ap Rhys ap Dafydd Llwyd ap Dafydd ap Einion ap Howell ap Tudor ap Einion ap Ieva ap Grownwy ap Ivor ap Idnerth ap Cadwgan ap Elystan, etc.[2]
The estimated dates that work for the lineage of John of Virginia as portrayed in WikiTree (see their profiles for details and sources):
  1. John Price born about 1586
  2. Richard Price born about 1555/60
  3. Richard ap John ap Meredith born about 1530, living June 1586, when he testified (along with his oldest son Edward Price) in the Visitations of Wales[3]
  4. John ap Meredith born about 1500
  5. Meredith ap Rhys ap Dafydd Llwyd born about 1465-9
  6. Rhys ap Dafydd Llwlyd born about 1440
  7. Dafydd Llwyd born about 1400
  8. Dafydd ab Einion born about 1375
Wives are named in the Visitations of Wales.[4][3] See also the tabular pedigree for descendants of "David Lloyd of Llanfair in Cedewaen, now called Newtown Hall" (through his grandsons Thomas and Meredith) at "Newtown Hall and Vaenor" in The History of the Princes,... and the Ancient... Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd (starting on page 374).[57]

Welsh Patronymic: The Visitations uses the English version of names; e.g., Meredith instead of the Welsh Maredudd (or its variant, Meredydd).[58]

Surname: Although it is said that from the time of Thomas and Meredith ap Rhys, the descendants of Rhys ap Dafydd Llwyd went by the surname based on his name (Pryse, Pryce, Price). However, John's grandfather Richard, son of Meredith, had apparently not adopted a surname in 1586. The report of his family and that of Edward, his oldest son, are "[t]estified by Richd Jno. Meredith and Edward Price".[59]

Anchor Dates

1625: John Price was 40 in the 1624/5 Jamestown Muster[54] and his birth year was estimated as 1586 by the Jamestowne Society[60] The 1586 estimate seems to be confirmed by the Visitations of Wales: testimony in June 1586 by Richard Jno. Meredith, John's grandfather, names Richard among his children but does not mention any grandchildren (although his oldest son, Edward Price, reports two children by his first wife, and a second wife).[3]

1610/11: John Price signed an indenture in 1610/11, in which he was described as "son and heir of Richard Pryce of Manavon, Montgomery"[61]

1586: Richard ap John ap Meredith was the source of information for his family in the 1586 Visitation of Wales. His oldest son Edward Price reported two children by his first wife, and a second wife.

1485-1509: Meredith ap Rhys was "Esquire of the body to K. Henry 7th" - Henry Tudor, king from 22 August 1485 to 21 April 1509 (according to his profile)

1461-1470: Rhys ap Dafydd Llwyd was "Esquire of the body of Edward the 4th" - Edward York was king from 4 Mar 1461 to 3 October 1470 and from 11 Apr 1471 to 9 Apr 1483 (according to his profile)

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