Northumberland Plantation, Wilkinson County, Mississippi

Date: [unknown] [unknown]
Location: [unknown]
Surnames/tags: Percy black_heritage Slavery

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The history of Northumberland begins with Charles Percy, a British army veteran, who named his plantation, Northumberland Place. It is connected to the later named plantation, Edgefield, by its last owner, Josiah Clinton Patrick, sometime after his wife, Eliza (Chinn) Connell inherited the property from her deceased husband, John Connell (aft.1790-abt.1831), perhaps as late as 1843.

In 1777 Charles Percy was awarded 600 acres by Peter Chester, the governor of British West Florida, on the right bank of Bayou Sara, near a settlement later called St Francisville, not far from the border that later separated the future American states of Mississippi and Louisiana.

Through his marriage to Susannah (Collins) Percy, he acquired more property near Opelousas, St. Landry Parish. He eventually came to hold three plantations:

1. Abluses in St. Francisville (Louisiana) on Bayou Sara.
2. A plantation in Opelousas, Louisiana
3. Northumberland House, on Buffalo Creek, where he resided. It was fifteen or so miles below Natchez, in the future Mississippi County of Wilkinson. A small portion of Percy’s Wilkinson County lands included the site that would later be called Edgefield Plantation, on Wayside Road in Woodville.

Chronology of Events

1794 - Charles Percy's estate was inventoried with 59 enslaved people.
1804 - After Susannah (Collins) Percy's death, the estate was inventoried with 79 enslaved people.
1808 - The estate was divided up among his 4 surviving children:

1. Sarah Percy Ellis, who inherited 20 enslaved people. When Sarahs' husband John Ellis (abt.1760-abt.1808) died in 1808, his property, which included 159 enslaved people was divided into 3 parts. The final division of the estate was recorded on Dec. 7, 1815. Therefore, Nathaniel A. Ware, Sarah's second husband, became the owner of Northumberland plantation.
2. Thomas Percy
3. Catharine Percy Brown
4. Susannah Percy

~1830 - Nathaniel Ware sold Northumberland and the enslaved families to John Connell (-1831).

1831 - The inventory of John Connell, deceased, was made on 10 Jan 1843. Josiah C. Patrick became guardian of the heir, John P.Connell.^[1]

Slaves

There may have been as many as 400 people enslaved at this plantation from 1777 until 1865, which includes those held by Josiah Clinton Patrick. One-hundred and fifteen of the people named below were enslaved by others at the plantation later named by J C Patrick.

Number	Profile	Est. Birth Year	Earliest record	1804 enslaver	1819 enslaver	Last enslaver	Comments
1	Hamlet	1762	1792	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Laclan McNeal sold Hamlet to Carlos Percy on 12 May 1792[2]
2	Cato	1755	1792	deceased		Percy
3	Dick	1772	1792			Percy
4	Apolon	1772	1792			Percy
5	Catto	1744	1793		Percy		purchased from George Proffitt
6	Sarah	1744	1793		Percy		purchased from George Proffitt
7	Mayor	1784	1793		Percy		purchased from George Proffitt
8	Marcos	1771	1793			Percy	Juan Mapother sold Marcos to Percy on 17 Aug 1793[3]
9	Tuller	1759	1794	Catharine Percy	Catharine Percy	Brown	Moved To Alabama around 1813
10	Flora	1768	1794	Catharine Percy	Catharine Percy	Brown	Moved To Alabama around 1813
11	Celia	1784	1794	Catharine Percy	Catharine Percy	Brown	Moved To Alabama around 1813
13	Delia	1780	1794	Catharine Percy	Catharine Percy	Brown	Moved To Alabama around 1813
14	Sall	1764	1794	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
15	Dick	1779	1794	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Percy
16	Ned	1784	1794	Catharine Percy	Catharine Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
17	Charlotte	1787	1794	Ann Percy	Ann Percy	Percy
18	Rose	1789	1794	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
19	Hamlet Jr.	1791	1794	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
20	Christmas	1739	1794	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Percy
21	Phebe	1764	1794	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Percy
22	Harriot	1789	1794	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Patrick
23	Ned	1825	1843			Patrick	with Harriet Percy in 1843
24	Claiborne	1828	1843			Patrick	with Harriet Percy in 1843
25	Sidney	1835	1843			Patrick	with Harriet Percy in 1843
26	Jimmy D	1837	1843			Patrick	with Harriet Percy in 1843
27	Juliann	1841	1843			Patrick	with Harriet Percy in 1843
28	Susan	1836	1843			Patrick	child with John and Rose (percy) in 1843
29	Doctor	1838	1843			Patrick	child with John and Rose (percy) in 1843
30	Wilson	1832	1843			Patrick	child with Celeste in 1843 (percy section)
31	Evaline	1841	1843			Patrick	child with Celeste in 1843 (percy section)
32	Primus	1840	1843			Patrick	Percy in 1870 census
33	Ned	1842	1843			Patrick	with Hamlet Percy in 1843
34	Hannah	1832	1870			Patrick	wife of Primus in 1870 census with twins born in 1865
35	Little Kate	1825	1843			Patrick	with Charlotte in 1843 (Percy section)
36	Sal	1804	1819		Sarah Ellis	Ware or Connell
37	Rose	1807	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick
38	Celeste	1809	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	May be Minor in 1870 census
39	Jane	1812	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	with Harriet Percy in 1819 and ??1843
40	Hamlet Jr.	1815	1819		Sarah Ellis	Percy
41	Hector	1791	1794	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Ware or Connell
42	Christmas	1811	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	with ??Charlotte in 1843
43	Gabriel	1813	1819		Sarah Ellis	Ware or Connell
44	Dolly	1816	1819		Sarah Ellis	Ware or Connell
45	Sampson	1793	1794	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Patrick	may have died before 1860 census
46	Crissy	1794	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	may have died before 1860 census
47	George	1813	1819		Sarah Ellis	Ware or Connell
48	Willis	1816	1819		Sarah Ellis	Ware or Connell
49	Reuben	1785	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	may have died before 1860 census
50	Mary Louise	1795	1804	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Patrick	may have died before 1860
51	Isaac	1827	1843			Patrick
52	Big Patsy	1830	1843			Patrick
53	Mary	1832	1843			Patrick
54	Gracy	1834	1843			Patrick
55	Hector	1838	1843			Patrick
56	Phebe	1814	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	may be Minor in 1870 census
57	Dena	1816	1819		Sarah Ellis	Ware or Connell
58	Sally	1800	1804	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Connell
59	George	1792		1819	Sarah Ellis	Ware or Connell
60	Phillis	1802	1804	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Connell
61	Willis	1818	1819		Sarah Ellis	Ware or Connell
62	Dublin	1754	1794	Ann Percy	Ann Percy
63	Phyllis	1769	1794	Ann Percy	Ann Percy
64	George	1764	1794	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
65	Chloe	1771	1794	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
66	Cato	1790	1794	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
67	Celeste	1793	1794	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
68	Nat	1782	1804	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Patrick
69	Molly	1782	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	may die before 1860 census
70	Winny	1807	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	1870 may be named Logan
71	Henry	1809	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick
72	Pollidore	1815	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick
73	Sukey	1827	1843			Patrick
74	Little Jim	1831	1843			Patrick
75	John	1833	1843			Patrick
76	Charles	1835	1843			Patrick
77	Peggy	1837	1843			Patrick
78	Abraham	1839	1843			Patrick
79	Duncan	1842	1843			Patrick
80	Lydia	1836	1843			Patrick
81	Judy	1842	1843			Patrick	may be Logan in 1870 census
82	Little Peter	1842	1843			Patrick
83	Letty	1838	1843			Patrick
84	Billy	1840	1843			Patrick
85	Remsom	1842	1843			Patrick
86	Kate	1769	1794	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Ellis
87	Dinah	1791	1794	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Patrick
88	Little Affy	1839	1843			Patrick
89	Lucinda	1838	1843			Patrick
90	Randolph	1842	1843			Patrick
91	Margaret	1842	1843			Patrick
92	Zander	1825	1843			Patrick
93	Little Nat	1828	1843			Patrick
94	Johnson	1831	1843			Patrick
95	Willy	1824	1843			Patrick	1870 may be named Henderson
96	Simon	1829	1843			Patrick
97	Catherine	1841	1843			Patrick
98	Little Anthony	1827	1843			Patrick
99	William	1828	1843			Patrick	with Anderson in 1843
100	Spencer	1839	1843			Patrick	Anderson in 1870 census
101	Nathan	1841	1843			Patrick	living with Anderson in 1843
102	Martha Ann	1842	1843			Patrick	Blake (Anderson) in 1870 census
103	Dany	1793	1794	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Patrick
104	Prince	1794	1804	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Ware or Connell
105	Francois	1810	1804	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Patrick
106	Clarissa	1799	1804	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis
107	Anthony	1800	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick
108	Esther	1801	1804	Sarah Ellis	Sarah Ellis	Patrick
109	Cork	1804	1794	Catharine Percy	Catharine Percy	Brown	Moved To Alabama around 1813
110	Jenny	1734	1794	Catharine Percy	Catharine Percy	Brown	Moved To Alabama around 1813
111	Sam	1768	1794	Catharine Percy	Catharine Percy	Brown	Moved To Alabama around 1813
112	Dolly	1791	1794	Catharine Percy	Catharine Percy	Brown	Moved To Alabama around 1813
113	Peter	1793	1794	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
114	Captain	1764	1794	Ann Percy	Ann Percy
115	Bett	1764	1794	Ann Percy	Ann Percy
116	Baptiste	1778	1794	Ann Percy	Ann Percy
117	Sylvia	1763	1794	Sarah Ellis		Ellis	may have died before 1815, not in 1815 inventory
118	Watt	1764	1794	Sarah Ellis	Thomas Ellis/Mary Jane LaRoche
119	Vanderfield	1790	1794	Sarah Ellis	Thomas Ellis/Mary Jane LaRoche
120	Dick	1794	1794	Catharine Percy	Catharine Percy	Brown	Moved To Alabama around 1813
121	Lewis	1783	1794			Percy	not in 1804 inventory
122	Nappy	1786	1794	Catharine Percy	Catharine Percy	Brown	Moved To Alabama around 1813
123	Ephraim	1788	1804	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
124	Zick	1789	1804	Sarah Ellis	Thomas Ellis/Mary Jane LaRoche
125	Hannah	1789	1794			Percy	gone by 1804 inventory
126	James	1778	1794	Thomas Percy		Percy
127	Quaquo	1776	1794			Percy
128	Tom	1769	1794			Percy	not in 1804 inventory
129	Bill	1769	1794	Ann Percy	Ann Percy
130	Dick	1789	1794		Thomas Ellis/Mary Jane LaRoche
131	Polydore	1789	1794	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
132	Jack	1764	1794	Thomas Percy	Thomas Percy	Percy	Moved To Alabama around 1813
133	Mercury	1769	1794			Percy	not in 1804 inventory
134	Borrows	1774	1794	Ann Percy	Ann Percy
135	Billy	1797	1819		Sarah Ellis		in minor family
136	Jacob	1825	1843			Patrick
137	Sally	1820	1843			Patrick
138	Moses	1840	1843			Patrick
139	Joshua	1840	1843			Patrick
140	Sall	1782	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick
141	Nansy	1773	1819		Sarah Ellis	Ware or Connell
142	Jim	1808	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick
143	Ruben	1835	1843			Patrick	1870 name of Minor
144	Polly	1858	1870			Patrick	1870 last name minor
145	James	1862	1870			Patrick	1870 last name minor
146	Isaac	1837	1843			Patrick	1870 last name minor
147	Robin	1857	1870			Patrick
148	Celia	1848	1870			Patrick	1870 last name minor
149	Charity	1858	1870			Patrick	1870 last name minor
150	Jackson	1864	1870			Patrick	1870 last name minor
151	Louisa	1840	1843			Patrick
152	Sampson	1842	1843			Patrick	1870 last name minor
153	Lucy	1840	1870			Patrick	1870 last name minor
154	Clara	1850	1870			Patrick	1870 last name Minor
155	Ellis	1852	1870			Patrick	1870 last name Minor
156	Nancy	1853	1870			Patrick
157	Relter	1798	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick
158	Ben	1810	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick
159	Polly	1816	1843			Patrick
160	Ruthy	1836	1843			Patrick
161	Thomas	1842	1843			Patrick
162	Affa	1813	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick
163	Congo	1782	1819		Sarah Ellis
164	Joe	1815	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	1870 name of Minor
165	Hannah	1815	1843			Patrick	1870 name of Minor
166	Little Patsy	1841	1843			Patrick
167	Little Isom	1842	1843			Patrick
168	Sally	1856	1870			Patrick
169	Sophia	1859	1870			Patrick
170	Claborne	1857	1870			Patrick	name of Minor in 1870
171	Julia	1843	1870			Patrick	Minor in 1870 census
172	Carney	1815	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	from John
173	Elisha	1806	1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
174	Clara	1763	1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
175	Davey	1808	1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
176	Daniel	1796	1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
177	Elizabeth	1798	1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
178	Mariah	1800	1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
179	Elijah	1804	1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
180	Nimrod	1783	1843			Patrick
181	Pleasant	1823	1843			Patrick	Henderson in 1870
182	Mary	1845	1870			Patrick	Plains in 1870
183	Bell Ann	1853	1870			Patrick	Plains in 1870
184	Diana	1860	1870			Patrick	Plains in 1870
185	Nanny	1842	1843			Patrick
186	Elsy	1823	1843			Patrick	from Ellis estate
187	Moses	1841	1843			Patrick	from Ellis estate
188	Joe	1782	1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
189	Rachel	1792	1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	from Ellis estate - may have died before 1860 census or even before 1843 inventory
190	Ann	1813	1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
191	Moses	1816		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
192	Hampton	1791		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
193	Stephen	1814		1843			Patrick
194	Vinny	1819		1843			Patrick
195	Isabel	1838		1843			Patrick
196	Nimrod Jr.	1840		1843			Patrick
197	Nelson	1842		1843			Patrick
198	Sheppard	1853		1843			Patrick
199	Stephen	1855		1843			Patrick
200	Willie	1825		1870			Patrick
201	Amy	1782		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
202	Bob	1788		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
203	Caroline	1795		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
204	Mahaly	1809		1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	from Ellis estate, b 1813 per 1843 inv.
205	Jack	1787		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
206	Clarissy	1823		1843			Patrick
207	Robin	1841		1843			Patrick
208	House Jim	1822		1843			Patrick
209	Bill	1833		1843			Patrick
210	Molly	1825		1843			Patrick
211	Henderson	1825		1843			Patrick
212	Nelly	1823		1843			Patrick
213	George	1804		1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
214	Solomon	1805		1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
215	Rhody	1805		1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
216	Lewis	1798		1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
217	Lucy	1787		1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
218	Margary	1787		1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
219	Little Charlot	1787		1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
220	July	1798		1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
221	Little Dick	1777		1819		Sarah Ellis		from John Ellis estate
222	Fanny	1787		1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick
223	Nelie	1798		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
224	Cherry	1777		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
225	Little Mille	1801		1819		Sarah Ellis	Patrick	from Ellis estate
226	Ruthie	1787		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
227	Sam	1828		1843			Patrick
228	Dick Leak	1832		1843			Patrick
229	Eliza	1834		1843			Patrick
230	Phillis	1836		1843			Patrick
231	Maria	1838		1843			Patrick
232	Little Charlotte	1842		1843			Patrick
233	Polly	1792		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
234	Little Ben	1815		1819		Sarah Ellis	maybe Patrick	from Ellis estate
235	Little Melinda	1797		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
236	Peter	1797		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
237	Little Bill	1798		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
238	John	1802		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate - maybe with Rose Percy in 1843
239	Cyrus	1803		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
240	Davey	1805		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
241	Big Cindy	1823		1843			Patrick
242	Helen	1841		1843			Patrick
243	Harry	1842		1843			Patrick
244	Rachel	1806		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
245	Caty	1797		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
246	Sally	1792		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
247	Mariah	1815		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
248	Becky	1824		1843			Patrick
249	Kitty	1842		1843			Patrick
250	Melinda	1798		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
251	Big Betty	1797		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
252	Cloe	1792		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
253	Channey	1836		1843			Patrick
254	Cinthy	1839		1843			Patrick
255	Dawn	1841		1843			Patrick
256	Ambrose	1816		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
257	Nine	1787		1819		Sarah Ellis		from Ellis estate
258	Nelson	1815		1980			Patrick	Per Boudreaux came by ship from Richmond, VA tobacco Farm - b.y. estimate based on Adelines'
259	Adeline	1815		1980			Patrick	Per Boudreaux came by ship from Richmond, VA tobacco Farm
260	Anna	1853		1980			Patrick	Per Boudreaux born in Woodville
261	Zachariah	1856		1980			Patrick
262	Melvina	1863		1980			Patrick
263	Amanda	1863		1980			Patrick
264	Celeste	1861		1980			Patrick
265	Big Primus	1799		1843			Patrick
266	Little Rachel	1803		1843			Patrick
267	Albert	1820		1843			Patrick
268	Louis	1842		1843			Patrick
269	Dennis	1842		1843			Patrick
270	Aaron	1855		1870			Patrick
271	Hector	1860		1870			Patrick
272	Patsy	1862		1870			Patrick
273	Charlotte	1840		1870			Patrick
274	Andrew	1839		1870			Patrick
275	Esther	1860		1870			Patrick
276	David	1862		1870			Patrick
277	Golden	1864		1870			Patrick
278	Harriet	1844		1870			Patrick
279	Turich	1862		1870			Patrick
280	Sinah	1864		1870			Patrick
281	Wilson	1863		1870			Patrick
282	Ned	1856		1870			Patrick
283	William	1862		1870			Patrick
284	Sally	1842		1870			Patrick
285	Adele	1852		1870			Patrick
286	Lucy	1844		1870			Patrick
287	Emily	1830		1870			Patrick
288	Samuel	1856		1870			Patrick
289	Elizabeth	1858		1870			Patrick
290	Charles	1859		1870			Patrick
291	Sarah	1853		1870			Patrick
292	Moore	1861		1870			Patrick
293	Phebe	1860		1870			Patrick
294	Clam	1846		1870			Patrick
295	Minerva	1849		1870			Patrick
296	Sophia	1815		1870			Patrick
297	Amelia	1849		1870			Patrick
298	David	1851		1870			Patrick
299	Letty	1858		1870			Patrick
300	Anderson	1849		1870			Patrick
301	Betsy	1803	1860			Patrick
302	Sophy	1818	1843			Patrick
303	Tom	1826	1843			Patrick
304	Elizabeth	1782	1843			Patrick
305	Lucy	1833	1843			Patrick
302-	unnamed males			1860			Patrick	1860 Slave Schedule
3xx-	unnamed females			1860			Patrick	1860 Slave Schedule

Sources

1. ↑ Inventory and accounts, 1808-1897: "Mississippi Probate Records, 1781-1930"
   Catalog: Inventory and accounts, 1808-1897 Inventory and accounts v. 10 1840-1843
   Image path: Mississippi Probate Records, 1781-1930 > Wilkinson > Inventories and accounts 1840-1843 vol 10 > image 314 of 387
   FamilySearch Image: 3QS7-L9QX-S9FG-J (accessed 1 November 2023)
2. ↑ https://ibiblio.org/laslave/individ.php?sid=22177
3. ↑ https://ibiblio.org/laslave/individ.php?sid=23598

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