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Richard Riddles & Families' Route Followed The Northern Route of The Trail of Tears

Richard Riddles, b. abt 1784-85,SC ,and his wife, Priscilla "Celia" McCutchen b. abt 1782, SC , their children and extended family members along with the associated families traveling with them from SC, ALA, GA, TN,Ky, ILL, MO. and finally into ARK., followed what was at that time known as the "Northern Route of The Trail of Tears".
It is an established fact that the 'Hembree, Vann and Woodall families associated with the Ridle/Riddle/Riddles family living in SC,ALA & TN., were intermarried with and/or living among the Native Americans of the "Five Civilized Tribes". The Cherokee was the most prominent tribe spoken of in these families' recorded histories. After years of examining the early maps of South Carolina and Alabama as well as the counties of those states in which the Riddles' and associated families have been recorded as residing in; it is abundantly clear they were living and settling on land adjacent to that of the Cherokee tribal land in both states.
This fact could be considered a "huge coincidence" and consequently a mere transient pattern of travel,...or a significant fact in establishing the full identity of both Richard Riddles b. abt. 1785 and that of his father, Thomas Riddes/Ridle/Riddle/Riddles b. abt 1750-60, SC/?. It appears both men left South Carolina around the time of the last upheaval concerning the white settlers and the issues of Cherokee held lands of that state as with Alabama. Taking into consideration that if placed atop one another, the maps of Richard's progress west and a map of The Northern Route of the Trail of Tears would be an exact match.
Again, a coincidence? Or just a transitory pattern? Additional research is indeed needed, but I firmly believe that Richard Riddles and his family partiscipated in the "Voluntary Removal" so eloquently described below by Bill Woodiel, which I copied for use in this story.
Riddles' Family Researcher:Willie Gail Riddles-Rotzoll

The Trail of Tears:

The Exodus of the Cherokee to the West

In 1830 Andrew Jackson had forced the Indian Removal Act through Congress and then in 1835 Congress ratified the fraudulent Treaty of New Echota. One of the results of these two events was "The Ethnic Cleansing of Georgia." The Cherokee peacefully resisted with legal maneuvers all the way to the US Supreme Court. However, President Jackson refused to enforce the decision favorable to the Cherokee. Only after the Cherokee had been gathered up by the US Army and placed in "concentration camps" did Principal Chief John Ross accept responsibility for the removal to Indian Territory.
The exodus of the Cherokee to the West must be divided into two categories--the voluntary and the forced removals.

Voluntary Removal:

In 1792, the first Cherokee contingent, under the leadership of Chief Bowl, moved to the Mouth of the St. Francis River, in what is now Arkansas, in Spanish Territory. In 1809, Tahlontuskee arrived in the new Louisiana Purchase with 1130 Cherokee and settled in west central Arkansas on the North Bank of the Arkansas River near the present day town of Russellville. Nine years later, John Jolly, a relative of Tahlontuskee, arrived with 13 flatboats and 4 keel boats, to join the settlements along the North Bank of the Arkansas River. In 1811-12, when the New Madrid earthquake occurred (believed to be near an 8 on the Richter Scale), Bowl left the mouth of the St Francis River and settled near Ola in Yell County on the south bank of the Arkansas River. In 1818, when east and west boundaries of the Cherokee lands between the Arkansas and White Riverswere surveyed, Bowl was told he must abandon the rich farmland the Cherokee had cleared in Yell County and move across to the North side of the Arkansas River. Being told to move, Bowl for the second time took his band of Cherokee and moved to Spanish Territory by migrating to Texas.

In 1819, the Arkansas County of Missouri Territory became Arkansas Territory. This new Territory encompassed what is the present state of Arkansas plus all of Oklahoma except the panhandle.

Pressure began to develop to get the Cherokee, now assigned to this large area of land between the Arkansas and the White Rivers, to move further west. Finally, in 1828, an agreement was reached whereby the Arkansas Cherokee, known as the "Old Settlers", would move further west to what would become known as "Indian Territory." In 1836, when Arkansas became a state, there were about 6,000 Cherokee living in Indian Territory who had moved west voluntarily, while some 17,000 still resisted moving west and remained in the East.

Forced Removal:

When the US Congress ratified the Treaty of New Echota in 1835, the pressure for the forced removal of the Cherokee remaining in the East gained momentum. For three years the Cherokee peacefully resisted removal by appealing to public sentiment and waging the first legal battle between an Indian Tribe and the United States Government. After carrying the case to the US Supreme Court and winning a favorable decision, President Jackson refused to enforce the decision with the statement, "that's John Marshall's decision; now let's see him enforce it." Their farms had been confiscated by the State of Georgia and issued to whites by lottery, and the Cherokee were "rounded up" and driven into "concentration camps." In an effort to avoid unnecessary hardship and suffering, Principal Chief John Ross agreed to accept the responsibility for removal.

Leaders were appointed to supervisory positions and the Cherokee were divided into Groups and started to the West.The Trail of Tears: the Northern Land Route Most of the Cherokees leaving Georgia followed what is today called the Northern Land Route from Southeastern Tennessee across the mountains, through Nashville and Hopkinsville, Kentucky. They would cross the Ohio River near Galconda, Illinois, and continue across Southern Illinois to the ice-swollen Mississippi. After crossing the Mississippi, they would go northwest to Rolla before turning to the southwest to Springfield and enter northwest Arkansas. After crossing Benton and Washington Counties in Arkansas, they would disband in northwest Indian Territory.

T:he first group departed with Hair Conrad as the conductor on August 23, 1838, and arrived in Indian Territory January 17, 1839. The other ten detachments to follow the Northern Land Route departed at intervals with the last departure October 23. The size of the groups varied from the 729 of the Hair Conrad detachment to the 1766 of the Peter Hildebrand detachment.

The groups did not follow the exact footsteps of the preceding group; they did usually stay in a fairly narrow corridor except for the Hildebrand detachment in Central Missouri. Recent research indicates the possibility of much greater deviation than previously thought, especially after they reached Southwest Missouri and Northwest Arkansas.

In all, some 11,949 departed on the Northern Land Route with 10,471 (including births) arriving in Indian Territory .

Informat ion on this page was provided courtesy of Bill Woodiel, past Vice-President of the Arkansas Chapter of the Trail of Tears Association and a former member of the Board of Directors for the National Trail of Tears Association.
Review Bill Woodiel's comments explaining what brought about the Cherokee Removal.

Read his description of each of the four major routes:

1. Northern [this page]
2. Water
3. Bell
4. Benge
For additional maps and information:
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        • 1810 Illinois Territory Census: According to the reconsructed enumeration of records of The United States, a Richard Riddels is listed as a resident of Randolph Co.,Illinois Territory. By 1818, Randolph County which had previously consisted of the entire south-southeastern portion of the territory was separated into multiple counties including that of Gallatin Co.,Illinois. These new records are proof of the location of Richard Riddle/Riddles' family as of 1810;therefore, including the census years of 1810, 1820 and 1830 this would indicate a [20] twenty year long residency of the State and Territory of Illinois.**** [In 1810, Richard would have been age 26, Priscilla Celia would have been 28 and they would have been parents of six children].

Riddles Researcher: Willie Gail Riddles-Rotzoll

John Woodall Sr, John Woodall Jr. and John McCutchen in Original SC Deeds Recorded property deeds and transfers transcribed from original Pendleton Dist. SC property deed book listing transactions between John Woodall Sr. to his son, John Woodall Jr. And a deed tranferred witnessed by both a John McCutchen and John Woodall of this allied family line.

The transcription of which is as follows:

Original page 206=Pendleton District, SC Deeds, 1790-1806

  • 23 Dec. 1795. John Woodall, Sr. to John Woodall, Jr. for L 30 for 83 acres in Washington Dist., on NW side of Generostee Creek, waters ----part of 300 acres granted to James Anderson,3 Oct ----.Recorded Bk. FFFF, p. 109 and part of 188 ac.----John Portman, Sr. Wit: Abraham Howard, Robert [R] Caldwell. "Personally ----Robert Caldwell who made oath to Joshua Saxon, J.P." George Hoge and Robt. Caldwell.
  • 29 Mar. 1796. John Woodall Sr., cooper, to John Woodall, Jr., for L 20 stg. for 261 acs. in Washington Dist. on Generostee Creek, the ----, part of 500acres granted to John Woodall, Sr.---Arnoldus Vanderhorst. Recorded Bk. P., no. 5,----.Abraham Howard, Robert [R] Caldwell George Hoge has made oath to Joshua Saxton, J.P., 2 Apr. 1796.

Original page 207= Pendleton Dist., SC Deeds, 1790-1806

  • 23 Oct 1795. James Long and Margary, his wife, to Henry Houston for L 80 stg. for 200 acres part of a tract granted Thomas Leonard by Wm. Moultrie. Recorded Bk. QQQQ, p. 43. Conveyed to James Long, 10 Oct 1795, and part granted James Long, 4 Mar. 1793, by Wm. Moultrie. Recorded Bk. E., no. 5, pg. 486. On Big Generostee, waters of the Savannah River, bd. by John McCushion[?], Moore, Tilly, Stephen Hinin [?], Ezekiel Boyses [?] Signed: James Long, Margery Long. Wit : John McCutchen, John Woodall. John McCutcheon [spelled John Cushon] made oath to Joshua Saxon, J. P., 31 Oct. 1795.

Rec: 7 May 1795

      • Pendleton District, South Carolina Deeds, 1790-1806 , pages 112 and 113; compiled and transcribed by Betty Willie***

Riddles' Researcher: Willie Gail Riddles-Rotzoll

[The wording, spelling, punctuations or the lack thereof has been typed "as found" in the above mentioned deed records. Any other grammatical errors are my own.] WGR-R

The Wives of Thomas Riddle/Riddles b. abt 1760

Posted 06 Apr 2008 by wriddles1942 Without evidence, the supposed first wife of Thomas Riddle/Riddles can not be unequivocally identified and so it follows that I am able to offer only the supposition that his first wife was named Catharine Harvey b. abt 1765. [Richard Riddles b.1785 named his first born daughter Catharine, later on he named a son Harvey b.1818-1824[depending on census]. Surnames of previous generations were often used as a given name to honor a particular individual. And in most cases surnames/maiden names were used to try insure the name would not be lost to history.

With this said, I also make the supposition that Catherine died sometime after the 1800 Pendleton Dist., SC census was taken and with their younger children left motherless, Thomas probably did what the others of that period in history chose to do; marry someone closeby within the community of close personal relationships and/or close friendships.[children could be Richard, Thomas Jr and possibly a John & James.& unknown daughters]

With this in mind, Thomas Sr. could have married Esther/Hester Minton, the widow of family member/friend Richard Minton of Pendleton Co.,SC. A Thomas Riddels and Amariah Hembree were mentioned as heirs of said Richard Minton in an 1811 Union District/Newberry, S.C. land tranaction. This mentioned Thomas could also be Thomas Sr.'s son because Thomas Jr. married a Parthenia Minton.

The following is the recorded instrument mentioned above:

Anderson Co, SC Deed Book M, p.246-247:

Release- Ester Minton and heirs to Joseph Minton, 22 Nov 1811. We, the legatees of Richard Minton dec'd, on consideration of 100 dollars paid to us by Joseph Minton of Union Dist. all that tract of land in Union Dist on the waters of padgets Creek containing 100 acres, being part of tract of land originally granted to Abel Pearson and conveyed to Richard Minton, 1786, bounded by Rodgers, James Doogan, Hannah Minton, James Hunter. Signed by Ester Minton, Zopher Tanner, Thomas Riddels, Samuel Morris, Richard Minton, Amariah Hembree, all of Pendleton Co, SC.

This close association is evidenced by the 1800 Pendleton Co.,SC census which indicates Thomas Riddel/Riddle in HH # 447 and Hester Minton in HH # 449. With both of their spouses deceased they could have married; say about 1803/04. Hester Minton does not appear on the 1810 census and she and Thomas may have combined their households on the 1810 census for Pendleton Co.,SC.[children could be Elias W. Riddles b. abt 1808, SC and possibly one or two other siblings.

On the 1830 Madison Co.,Alabama census, Thomas[with 1 male 15-20;1 male 60-70 & 1 female 60-70] is living next door to Elias W. Riddles[with 1 male under 5; 2 males 20-30; 1 female 20-30]. This census is the last I have found for a Thomas Riddles of the right age range that might be our Thomas. No other census has been found by this researcher for a Esther/Hester Minton.

However, on the 1850 census for District 21, Jackson Co.,Alabama there is a Hester Riddles age 84, born abt 1766, Pa. living in the HH of a Calvin Hill and next door is Elias Riddles b. 1808, SC with his wife Mary [Alvis] along with their [7] children including a daughter named Hester, age 15, b. 1835, Ala, son Thomas age 16, b.1834 as well as Elizabeth, Hiram F., Isham G.,Mary A., & William Riddles.

This is the last census found for a Hester Riddles and she probably passed from this world sometime after the 1850 census was taken and before the 1860 census.

Consquently, I believe this more than suggests the possibly and/or probability of the marriage relationship of Thomas Riddles and Hester Minton, the widow of Richard Minton of Pendleton & Union Districts, South Carolina.

Additional research is needed and I will continue to do so.

Researcher: Willie Gail Riddles-Rotzoll

Early South Carolina Boundaries Until 1785

Until c.1785 and during most of South Carolina Colony's history, the colony was divided into four main counties: Craven, Berkeley, Colleton beginning 1682 and Granville in 1710 with all boundaries being re-established after 1785. The backcountry's boundaries before 1785 were vaguely defined as land tracts lying in areas between the Broad, Saluda and Tyger Rivers being alternately stated as being in Berkely or Craven Counties. This "uncertain territory" and the resulting confusion was probably promoted by the prejudices and/or political leanings of the surveyors or perhaps by their own faulty reasonings and interpretations of the then existing land records.

The area comprising what would later be Union County was thus rendered in the "uncertain territory" but for the purpose of this story and according to 1772 land records, the Tyger River area supposedly lay in Berkeley County. [The Tyger River lay and ran between the Broad and Saluda Rivers.]

Thomas Riddle/Riddles/Riddeys b. 1750, SC and who was the father of Richard Riddle/Riddles b. 1785, SC was the owner of property bordering that of a David Hopkins and John White who are enumerated on the 1790 Union County census and living in same neighborhood as Thomas Ridle/Riddle/Riddles.

The following is a land transaction record "Memorial" found in SC Archives & History center.

Series: S111001

Volume: 0011

Page 00402

Item: 001

Date: 9/8/1772

Description: Hopkins,David, Memorial For 75 Acres on Tyger,Berkeley County.

names Indexed: Duff; Hopkins,David; Riddeys,Thomas; White, John

Locations: Berkeley County; Tyger River

Document Type: Memorial

Not withstanding the spelling of Thomas' name as Riddeys; the probability of this being the Thomas Ridle/Riddle of the 1790 Union county census would seem defencible at the least and supportable by the census records at the most.

The above referenced land record is the first such record I have located for Thomas Riddle/Riddles other than that of the Madison Co.,Alabama records of both Thomas Riddles Junior and Senior in the early 1830's. Both Thomas Riddles Sr. and Thomas Riddles Jr. died in Alabama as well as Thomas Sr.'s son by Hester Wright-? named Elias Wright Riddles b. 1808,SC, a Methodist minister.[And, indeed, several of Richard Riddles b. 1784,SC and Priscilla Celia McCutchen b. 1782,SC had sons who were either school tearchers and/or Methodist ministers as per census records.]

Thomas Riddles and all of his sons,including Richard Riddles as well as those families associated with the Riddles; the McCutchens, Vanns,Woodalls, Mintons, Hembrees[Emorys, Embreys], Heatons/Eatons,etc. were probably among those frontier families who by the 1750's began filling up the Piedmont region[up/backcountry] which included eight [8] counties: Anderson,Cherokee,Greenville, Pickens,Laurens, Oconee,Spartanburg and Union.[The Piedmont Region: from the Italian word, Piemonte meaning the foothills or at the foot of a mountain.]

Many of these family groups were most certainly familiar with and probably traversed the "Great Waggon Road" that extended from Pennsylvania southward into Georgia and occupied the same travel route of the "Great Warrior's Trail" of legend. Part of these paths or roads was the "Carolina Road" beginning south of Roanoke, Va.; winding through North Carolina and through the northwestern part of South Carolina on down into Georgia.

According to references,i.e.,Wikipedia;Histories of South Carolina Colony,Etc., differences in religion, philosophy and background between the mostly Scots-Irish Calvinist subsistence farmers in the "UPcountry" and the English Anglican planters of the Low Country bred great distrust and hostility between the two regions. And by the time of the Revolution, the "Backcountry" contained nearly half of the white population of South Carolina, right around 20,000 to 30,000 settlers. Nearly all of them were "Dissenting Protestants". It is said that 50 % of the white population in the "Up/Backcountry" appealed for better representation, courts, roads, supplies, churches and schools.

Our families were a part of the recorded histories of this area of South Carolina whether or not most of their voices and names are silent in the records or appear ever so scarcely and difficult to locate.Every scrap no matter how small or seemingly incongruous or inconsequential should be examined carefully in our search of the available records to identify these people, our people.

Researcher: Willie Gail Riddles-Rotzoll


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  1. Title Official Army Register for ... Author United States. Adjutant-General's Office Published 1894 Original from The Ohio State University Digitized Sep 20, 2013

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South Carolina Department of Archives and History, Columbia, South Carolina, USA. [2]
Name: Susan Edwards
Age: 69
Birth Date: abt 1801
Death Date: 23 Jan 1870
Death Place: Charleston, South Carolina, USA
Wills and Probates: Search for Susan Edwards in South Carolina Wills & Probates collection
South Carolina, Death Records, 1821-1965[3]
Name Susanna Edwards
Gender Female
Spouse John Edwards
Child Susanna Edwards
United States Civil War and Later Pension Index, 1861-1917[4]
Owen Owen, 1907.
Name: Owen Owen
Event Type: Pension
Event Date: 04 Mar 1907
Military Regiment: [Blank]
Military Unit: [Blank]
Shipping Company: [Blank]
Georgia Cherokee Land Lottery, 1832 [5]
Name: Owen Owens
Number: 283
Residence: Brock's
County: Habersham

North Carolina, Wills and Probate Records, 1665-1998 [3]

Name Owen Owen
Probate Place Sampson, North Carolina, USA
Inferred Death Place North Carolina, USA
Item Description Wills, Book 1-3, 1820-1895
Susannah Owens
Littleberry Edwards
Nellie M Felton Howard
Sarah Edwards 1828–1914
William A. Edwards 1828–1905
Martha Ann Edwards 1831–1918
Eliza Jane Edwards 1837–1920
Thomas J. Edwards 1841–
John W. Edwards 1843–1926
Littleberry Edwards ( Jr. ) 1844–1900
Nancy S. Edwards 1845–
Atlantic Ocean Edwards 1851–1863
Doctor Millwee W Edwards 1851–1936
Owen Owen 1820–1900
William Grady Owen 1840–
Zilpha C. Owen 1841–
Elijah Owen 1843–1862
Margaret Jane Owen 1845–1884
Stephen J. Owen 1848–
Mitchell Owen 1852–1880
Henry C Owen 1853–
James Riley Owen 1854–1931
Henderson M Owen 1861–

Georgia Deaths, 1914-1927 Joseph E. Owens[6]


Findings suggest that Owen Owens in Habersham GA 1830 is from the Haywood/Buncombe NC line (includes Owen, Jesse and Elijah Owens). The exact relationship among them isn't certain. They were in Buncombe 1800 and Haywood 1810-1820.

John Cecil Owens was born in Georgia, father Zachary was born in North Carolina, father Elijah Jr was born in North Carolina his father Elijah Sr was born in North Carolina. Their wives are: Florida Rhyne (Rine), Isabella Elizabeth Heard, Rebecca McGee (McGhee).

  • Within a three year period:
Owen Owen Born 1820 in Orange North Carolina
Move to Georgia
Marriage to Rebecca June 1823 Georgia
  • ???How far is Orange North Carolina from Habersham Georgia???

It is 102 hours walking distance. 5 hours a day would make for 20 days on the trail.

  • ???Traveling with infant and 3 children???? Was there a wagon train or coachs making a living as a guides???? Couldn't of blazed the trail with 4 kids.?. He made the bee-line for Georgia. Did he know someone there??


Rebecca McGee Confirmed Wife
Source Citation: National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Washington, D.C.; Federal :Mortality Census Schedules, 1850-1880, and Related Indexes, 1850-1880; Archive Collection: T655; :Archive Roll Number: 10; Census Year: 1879; Census Place: Harbins, Cherokee, Georgia.

:Owen, Rebecca, 76 years old, female, white, widow, born in South Carolina, father born in Ireland, :mother born in Virginia, housekeeper, died in November [1879], died of jaundice and old age. The :conflict here is that she was supposedly born in North Carolina and her headstone says she died in :June, not November.

Elijah Owen
Owen Owen
Georgia, County Marriages, 1785-1950
Name: Elijah Owen
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Jun 1823
Event Place: Habersham, Georgia, United States
Spouse's Name: Rebecca Mayers
Spouse's Gender: Female
Georgia, Marriage Records From Select Counties, 1828-1978
Original data: County Marriage Records, 1828–1978. The Georgia Archives :Morrow:Georgia.
Name: Mr Elijah Owen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 12 Jun 1823
Marriage Place: Habersham, Georgia, USA
Spouse: Rebecca McGee (the last name is actually unreadable due to damage)
Spouse Gender: Female

From Elijah and Unknown wife

Birth 1785- 1795 (estimated)
Death 1820 (estimated)
Marriage was abt 1811(estimated)
William D Owen 1811 NC
Rebecca Owen 1813 NC
Elijah E Owen 1816 NC
Owen Owen 1820 NC
All in North Carolina. Orange County.

Where the children and Birthdates Source

1820 US Census

1830 US Census

Confirmed Wife

From Elijah and Rebecca Marriage June 12 1823 in Georgia

Stewart M Owen 1824
Reuben Phillip Owen 1828
John Chapell Owen 1831
Josiah A 1832
Annie Owen 1833
George Washington Owen 1834
Hiram K Owen 1839
Mary Owen 1842
Probably more children with Rebecca Magee They were neighbors she was living with her family.
Elijah E Owen
Born 1787 in Orange county, North Carolina
Died 20 Mar 1877 in Fulton, Georgia, United States

Elijah Probate

Elijah's second wife Citation

Usgenweb archives habersham :county georgia marriage archives. N.p., n.d. Web. 27 Mar. 2013..
OWEN, Daniel M. Md. LITTLEJOHN, Myra A. 10/16/1838
OWEN, Elijah Md. MAGEE, Rebecca 06/12/1823
OWEN, William Md. SMITH, Martha Ann 08/26/1835
OWENS, James M. Md. BLAIR, Martha 06/15/1832
OWENS, Toliver L. Md. JACKSON, Rosalie 06/09/1840
OWENS, William Md. RICHARDSON, Elizabeth 04/26/1827
OWENS, William F. Md. DOVER, Mary 08/02/1846

This gives the marriage of Elijah Owen to his second wife, Rebecca McGee in Habersham County, Georgia.

Elijah Owens
(1800 - 1877)
Born in NC on Abt. 1800 to Owen ap Owens and Elizabeth Eleanor McDowell Owens. Elijah Owens :passed away on 20 May 1877 in Canton, Georgia, USA.
Relatives of Elijah Owens
Owen Ap Owens
1769 - 1838
Elizabeth Eleanor Mcdowell Owens
1777 - 1860


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