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Proposal / Place categories for New Zealand

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Discussion re New Zealand Place categories
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Proposal - categories for the Region of Wellington
Top level category = Country / = New Zealand
Top level 1 = Regions = Wellington, New Zealand - should be Category: Wellington Region, New Zealand, which helps to differentiate between the region and the city.
Level 2 = six categories for Wellington's current District and Unitary Authorities Councils by Region - Wellington
1/ Carterton District, Wellington
2/ Kapiti Coast District, Wellington
---Level 3 = suburb / Paraparaumu, Wellington
3/ Masterton District, Wellington
4/ Wairarapa, New Zealand - should be South Wairarapa District, Wellington
5/ [[Category: Tararua District, Manawatu-Wanganui|Tararua District (Wellington portion) Manawatu-Wanganui)
6/ Greater Wellington - with a note that Greater Wellington includes the four cities that make up Greater Wellington -
--- Level 3 - the four Wellington cities listed as A,B,C,D, with respective suburbs as a,b,c,d,e,=
---A/ Wellington City, Wellington
level 4 = suburbs of Wellington city
------ a/Wellington Central
------ b/Thorndon
------ c/Mornington
------ d/Ohariu
------ e/Kilbirnie, Wellington
------ etc.
---B/ Hutt City (previously Lower Hutt) Lower Hutt, Wellington
------ a/Petone, Wellington
------ etc.
---C/ Upper Hutt, Wellington
------ a/Trentham, Wellington
------ etc.
---D/ Porirua, Wellington
------ a/Aotea
------ b/Mana
------c/Titahi Bay
------ etc.

Historic settlements like whaling stations would fit into the A/B/C/D/ District sub categories

On the Nelson Region Page - have made this change - Nelson is a Metropolitan area administered by the Nelson City Council.

On the Tasman Region Page – have made this change – Tasman District is designated a "Unitary Authority," ie: both a Region and a District. The Tasman District Council is based at Richmond.

Auckland is a Region
Auckland has lost its cities - the districts/unitary authorities are now -
Auckland City is now Auckland Central
North Shore City is now North Shore
Manukau City is now South Auckland and Eastern Suburbs
Papakura District is now Papakura
Franklin District is now Pukekohe
Waitakere City is now West Auckland
Rodney District is now Rodney


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A new space page of Auckland's historic place names and boundaries has been attached to the Category: Auckland, New Zealand - categories have been inserted on this page where the name of the category meets a place name on this list. It will be noticed that correspondence between present categories for Auckland places and current place names is quite ragged, some needed categories are missing. Please check categories against this list when updating Auckland's category structure according to Govt. changes made in 2010.
posted by Valerie Willis
edited by Valerie Willis
You mention the category structure in place in the United States in the G2G question https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1245262/new-zealand-place-category-rationalization. What are the equivalent divisions for comparison?

Also any structure would need to have equivalent divisions throughout the country, So how do you propose to subdivide the Unitary territorial councils? Otherwise there will be a structure for 11 regions and a different one for 6 regions. That would make it more difficult and confusing rather than a rational structure.

At what tier of category do profiles go?

I wasn't aware Auckland lost it's City status? The names you have added are the unofficial historical names for the regions of Auckland and are flexible in definition.

What is the rational from a genealogical or source finding reason to include a council as a tier? Talking to people in genealogical groups i am involved in outside of Wikitree has people using the official 17 regions or unofficial regions (Such as Wairarapa, East Cape, North Canterbury etc). Asking family members gave me the same distinctions. No one I spoke to would include South Wairarapa District, Stratford District, Queenstown-Lakes District for examples. SO the only reason for using them is ???

This proposal as written is barely understandable for someone who knows New Zealand with multiple mistakes included and would be unintelligible for anyone else wanting to use this as a guide. I can not support something that has no rational for it's use, is not easy to understand and not a consistent structure.

"Edits done to help differentiate the questions/points raised."

posted by Darren Kellett
edited by Darren Kellett
The United States categories go - United States / States / Counties / Towns etc.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:United_States_of_America Here you will see that the categories for states appear beneath the first level - That of the country, United States of America

I propose that New Zealand should do the same, with the Region categories appearing beneath the first level, New Zealand

Unitary territorial councils are on the same level as Districts, the categories for Wellington Region and Wellington city are described above, I'll fill out the proposal for Auckland.

The names I use are the official ones; taken from the Government Local Authority Web pages. The names listed above for Auckland show the old city names with the recent change of name.

Please point out each mistake you see, so that it can be addressed and fixed.

Do you need links and dates for local body regulations? I have tried to make each note on the Region category clear, but there are people who don't like to see a lot of text there.

posted by Valerie Willis
edited by Valerie Willis
Our regions are the equivalent of the US counties or Canada sub provincial divisions as another example in function. Not the States!! The next equivalent level down in the US locational structure is Local Governmental Entities, Suburbs and Towns all in one level. Just like the New Zealand locational structure is set up currently. The US States function as an equivalent to New Zealand as a country (With the exception of Foreign affairs). So bearing that in mind the current structure is the Equivalent structure of a US State with State/New Zealand, County's/ NZ regions, Local areas/Local areas.


As for the information you have added to the New Zealand Region category pages I am recording it and the mistakes and missing information for a presentation to the Categorization Project team and New Zealand Project leaders so they can decide to keep or discard that information as in it's current form it is inaccurate.

What is the point of pointing out mistakes on this page as you have ignored mistakes pointed out by Fiona and myself in previous comments. It might be a good idea before you do anymore edits to this page, New Zealand Categories and created free space pages to actually do some research before doing anything else.

posted by Darren Kellett
We are only talking about Place Names - the states of the United States have their own political function - for the purposes organizing a category tree for Places in New Zealand, the USA model fits the need of big, smaller part of the first, smaller parts of the first division.

Fiona and I have been in contact by email; the issues Fiona raised have all been addressed and our combined result is on this page.

posted by Valerie Willis
edited by Valerie Willis
Their equivalent district councils and cities and towns are at their bottom level of categories just like New Zealand's districts, Cities and towns are now. Their next tier up is County's and New Zealand's next tier up is Regions. Their States are an equivalent to most Countries. It is the same in pretty much every other countries location category hierarchy having a three tier situation of Country level equivalent, Region level equivalent, Local level equivalent. Only the United States and Canada have an extra tier but the States and Provinces are effectively the equivalent of countries themselves in Wikitree and in real life.

The issues raised by Fiona at 12:45pm on 29th May in the comments section of this page have as of 3:30pm 29 may still not been fixed.

I repeat the question What is the rational from a genealogical or source finding reason to include a council as a tier?

To myself and others it looks like a scheme that would involve lots of extra work for the Categorization project and the New Zealand Project to do for no real reason. The various Councils have no relevance for genealogical information barring Cemeteries and even then there are a lot of Cemeteries the Councils wouldn't have information about. BDM's are done at a regional and national level. Available Electoral rolls are national with a few exceptions that are for old pre 1876 records so not relevant for current local councils.

posted by Darren Kellett
Hi Valerie

As discussed with you privately, I don’t think their is a local government entity called “Wellington Metropolitan Area”. Others might like to check this website, which should be our reference text. https://www.localcouncils.govt.nz/

6/Should be the existing Wellington City category

7/Hutt City

8/Upper Hutt

9/Porirua

In all other aspects, I agree with the changes you have suggested.

Fiona

posted by Fiona McMichael
Thanks, noted; it was there in brackets because of Wikipedia - I think it is only descriptive and we should set the standard, not Wikipedia; so deleted that.

I think the title Greater Wellington as per the Govt web page - https://www.localcouncils.govt.nz/lgip.nsf/wpg_url/Profiles-Councils-by-region-Wellington - might be something like this Greater Wellington - the metropolitan area of Wellington includes the four cities of Wellington; Wellington City, Hutt City, Upper Hutt and Porirua.

posted by Valerie Willis
edited by Valerie Willis