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Prussian Settlement in Australia
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The Prussian Settlement in Australia Project is a Sub-Project of the Australia Project, focusing on those ancestors from Prussia that immigrated to Australia

The Team Leader is Steve Thomas.

German Australians (German: Deutsch-Australier) are Australians with German Heritage. Australians with German heritage constitute one of the largest non-British ethnic groups in Australia. Germans have been in Australia since European settlement commenced in 1788. At least 73 convicts transported to Australia were German. However it was in 1838 that large numbers of German immigrants from Prussia began to migrate to Australia, with the first German settlement being Klemzig, which is now a suburb of Adelaide. Prussian/German immigrants were also prominent in settling Queensland.

The time period of focus for this team is roughly 1836-1914.



Team members; please add your name to the list here:

  • Steve Thomas Team Leader. Descendant of families from Silesia : Heinrich of Seiffersdorf, Pfeiffer, Naeschke, Semmler, Qualmann, Schaefer and Haensel.
  • Veronica Williams Descendant of families from Tucheim - Noll, Wohling, Wedding, Teltau, Zimmerman and Heinrich.
  • Melanie Paul Queensland families.
  • Geoffrey Raebel South Australia - ships
  • Scott Davis South Australia ships
  • Malcolm McGrice Particularly interested in Prussian immigrants to South Australia and Victoria. Am direct descendant of Prussian immigrants to South Australia as early as 1838. Families include Kuchel, Menzel, Block, Muhlnickel. Have managed to trace families back to Brandenberg, Nekla Hauland etc and research the ships on which they arrived in South Australia. Research of connected families up to the present has resulted in a family tree exceeding 20,000 individuals. Many Prussian families moved from South Australia to settle in western Victoria and south eastern NSW. Have access to large number of family histories of these immigrants, shipping records, BDM's etc and quite willing to assist others in their researching
  • David Lowe Interested in Prussian aristocracy. 3g-grandparents fled Prussia (in 1850 to England, then 1854 to Australia) after the Baroness went against the family plans and married an army captain!
  • Peter Kane My wife is descended from the Shafferius clan who immigrated to Queensland from Prussia. As far as we know every Schafferius in Australia is descended from a single family (2 brothers and a sister). I'm entering a 2001 family history book "The Schafferius Story" into wikitree, and updating and adding new profiles as I go. I've also created a categories for the book and started a name study for Schafferius:
  • Robert Kopp
  • Susan Stopford A descendent of vine dressers from Prussia & the Rheingau region who immigrated to the Colony of New South Wales between 1849 and 1855. Surnames of interest: Schoeneck / Schöneck / Schipp / Mohr. Ships: Beulah (arr. 1849). Reiherstieg (arr. 1852). Cateaux Wattel (arr. 1855)
  • Genevieve Weiland
  • Catherine Davies
  • Dianne Garner
  • Kerryn Forsyth
  • Chris Wright
  • Ian Perry
  • Lynda Collier
  • Mark Navin

  • What a great team!

How To Join

  • Join the Australia Project by replying to this G2G post
  • Request to be on the trusted list of this page.
  • Post a comment on the bottom right hand side of this page and tell us why and how you can help us reach our goals
  • Joining the Germany project is optional but recommended
  • Welcome!


  • Create profiles for all the Prussian and German people who travelled to Australia in the colonial period, even if via other countries, and who settled in Australia
  • Free space pages with shipping lists for all ships that arrived with Prussian/German settlers in Australia
  • Categorise and join the people profiles to the main WikiTree
  • Find out who and what the forty-eighters were : see Do we want a Space Page on this?
  • Identify stickers relevant to the project. Are any new stickers needed?
  • Pool our knowledge and experience and assist each other.

To Do List

Completed tasks are added to the Tasks Completed list below.

  • On the Prussian Immigrant Ships to South Australia page, create Free Space Pages for ships listed. See Zebra Passenger List 1838 as an example. (Maybe start with those that already are a category on WikiTree?) Add complete passenger list if available. Include crew, ship's surgeon, births and deaths on board etc if avaiable. Put a link to the Space page on the ship's category page, example: Category: Zebra, Arrived 2 Jan 1839.
  • Research and add ships to Prussian Immigrant Ships to Queensland Can you contribute a couple?
  • Create further State-specific pages - NSW, Victoria, Western Australia. (Some of my relatives sailed into Melbourne first, then on to Adelaide. Maybe we can have some sort of indicator for those who travelled internally. Ideas how this can be done?)
  • Find images for the Prussian and German Settlement in Queensland page.
  • Create a Free Space Page especially for the migrants who first went to New Zealand on the Skjold or Skiold 1844 and had to be brought to Van Dieman's Land (European name for the island now called Tasmania) and then South Australia after near starvation and lack of work. See The Skjold Immigrants Example: Elisabeth Qualmann. Many of these families are identified in "Germans who settled in Australia or Overseas".
  • All the passengers on this WikiTree page: Zebra Passenger List 1838 need to be added to Category: Zebra, Arrived 2 Jan 1839 Has Anonymous Dienelt done any other pages like this that would be relevant to this Project? Would they like to join? (I'm not sure that the proposal to add all profiles from Zebra Passenger List 1838 to another Category is a good idea. Looks like unnecessary duplication to me. I recommend this proposal be set 'On hold' for more discussion. S.T.)
  • (removed due to confusion - see next item)
  • Three waves of immigration: Old Lutherans; 48ers; and fleeing militarism, respectively. Should they be covered on one page all together? Or a seperate page for each, so they are less than 800 words and aesthetically pleasing? - K.H. I now agree that the 48ers were a significant, identifiable group. A separate page looks like a good idea - S.T. (I've removed the comments I made previously)
  • Research the Wends/Wendish and build a free-space page. (Suggested by A.T.) ( The Pioneer Heritage Trail Brochure describe who the Wends are, where they settled in SA and, importantly, the family names. - S.T)(The Wendish Heritage Society site identifies migration ships (many to Victoria) and settlements in Victoria and SA.-S.T.)
  • Add these families to WIkitree - Individuals or families that boarded a ship or scheduled emigration to Australia from Niedersachsen National Land Archives (NLA).

Tasks Completed

  • Profile Captain of the Zebra 1839, after whom Hahndorf, Sth Aust. is named. Capt Dirk Hahn Done - A.T.
  • Created South Australia specific page. Done - A.T.
  • Linked to Wikipedia list of place names changed by the Nomenclature Act. See under "Place Names" on the Tips for Researching page. Done - A.T.
  • Created Ships - SA page - Done - K.H.
  • Created a Queensland specific page Done Haese-11 09:21, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Created Top Level Ships to Australia Page as in planned structure - A.T.
  • Created Ships to Queensland Page - A.T.
  • I created this space for Heinrich today. No category for it so I have requested one. (TH)
  • Populating WikiTree with German migrants to Queensland M.P.
  • Created a page with surname spelling variations and also codes to use for writing German text on your English keyboard. Linked from the "Tips" page - S.T.
  • Created a page of German words for occupations with English translations, linked from the "Tips" page - K.H.


Wikitree Of Importance

Pastor Kavel
Pastor Kavel - 12 April 1835: Pastor Ludwig Christian Kavel first met with George Fife Angas in London to initiate arrangements for the emigration of German Lutherans to settle in Klemzig the first Lutheran settlement & elsewhere to South Australia. Pastor Kavel was determined to help his loyal parishioners emigrate from Brandenburg, Posen and Silesia to escape religious persecution by King Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia. From
Agnes Kroll

Did you know we have our own illegitimate Prussian Princess, who came to Australia and was living in Sydney? Agnes (Kroll) Dettmann's ancestry can be traced back to the Kings of Prussia, see her tree here. A fabulous book, Agnes: The Secret Princess by Belinda Dettmann and Jane Stevens (published January 2015) tells the story of her lineage and it includes DNA analysis. I have a copy and plan to try to ensure we reference it throughout Wikitree, particularly the DNA side. Agnes is also related to Geoffrey Robertson and some of you may remember the references to this mystery in the episode of Who Do You Think You Are that aired in 2008 (Veronica Williams 22:36, 7 April 2019 (UTC))


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Hi guys,

Just checking in to see what you are all working on? If you have any questions or suggestions?

Personally Ive been working on the 1848 and 1849 Pauline lists and slowly adding profiles for people. If the ship list page hasn't been created yet I make sure to add the category to the profile to make it easier in the future.

Post responses here...posting on these pages is how we communicate with each other. Request to be on the pages trusted lists to be notified of new comments. :)

Kind regards Kylie

posted 9 Aug 2019 by Kylie Haese   [thank Kylie]
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I am working on my grandparents and grandmother who came to Australia after WW2 - we seem to have no category or space for these immigrants - can someone please point me in the right direction. Should I set up a new category Germany, Emigrants to Australia? Looking at Category: Australia, Immigrants we seem to be very light on Post WW2 immigration options generally.
German Categories are a WIP. I don't believe there is a category for Germany, Emigrants to Australia. There are categories for Emigrants to Australia from some modern states. See for example: Category: Baden-Württemberg, Emigrants to Australia ( We also have many historical migration categories for people who emigrated from places which are now part of what is known as Germany and Poland. You will find a summary here: I can put you in touch with people in the German Team who can help you create new categories.
posted by Susan Stopford
Thanks Susan - I don't really want to join another project but ... I think post-war immigration to Australia was really important and it is not just the Germany - Australia category that is missing from Category: Australia, Immigrants - nothing for Greece or Italy, Finland, Latvia ... I realise this project is associated with colonial era but not sure where to raise the issue otherwise.
I sent you a PM.......................................
posted by Susan Stopford
Susan, I agree German categories are a work in progress.

I am a project coordinator in the Germany Project and can answer Anne's question.

Anne, Yes, I agree the Post WW2 migration categories are light. Some of this comes from concern for privacy. The migration question is a shared concern between Germany and Australia. Can you add your request to ?

posted by Steve Thomas
I think it is a big issue because we should consider lots of countries, not just Germany.I have taken the discussion to the google groups group as Margaret replied there. I am not a fan of a state based apprach for the 20th century. I can see issues with first Bonnegilla then elsewhere, or in the case of friends of mine who were refugges from Czechoslavakia in 1968 it was first Tasmania and then the ACT ...

As for privacy, I suspect a lot of the post WW2 immigrants are now no longer living - some who came as children like my mother are alive but her parents and her grandmother, my great grandmother, are dead. The documents are available through the National Archives - I struggle to see the privacy concern with immigration categorisation which is opt in.

Regarding the State based approach for migration to Australia. I do consider it a bit strange that we use modern state names for migration to regions before the states (and the Commonwealth of Australia) were formed. I accept that there is no perfect solution. I like having South Australia as a Migration Administration Entity because so many of the records I look for are held in South Australia.

Sometimes I would prefer to use a broader country category. Without better information I have created migration categories like "Buenos Aires, immigrants from Italy". If there are migration categories that should be added then ask.

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
Congratulations. Two wins! This is the very first migration category "Migrants from <<anywhere else in the world>> to Australian Capital Terrirory". It is also the first category "Migrants from Berlin to <<anywhere else in the world>>".
posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
From here

quote : Although the Wikitree field asks for a first name, it is not a strict requirement. For German names, I recommend that you add all the given names in the 'first name' field.

The Wikitree South Africa Project is brutally clear inside the title page “Please do not use the Middle Name field.”

commented 2 hours ago by Steve Thomas : endquote

I think the above about no middle names should be emphasised much more than it is. This naming convention carried on for generations after immigration, where Germanic families would have multiple forenames, and they were all interchangeable until more modern times.

My own birth certificate does NOT assign me a "first name" and a "middle name" (and I'm WISEAS (also known as "mostly from the British Isles, with some Scandinavian thrown in), not Germanic). It simply says "name". We presume a lot of the time that we have a "first" and a "middle" name, when we really don't except through general acceptance. I've also seen it said somewhere that Australians don't legally have a "middle" name, just a "first name". (Confirmation names are totally ignored, although many people absorb those as part of their full legal signature name.)

We also decide without knowing if it's accurate the "preferred" name for our ancestors. Unless we have documentary proof that they use ONE name more often than any other, we should not be assigning the first name of a string as the "preferred" name. (This is more true for an infant, or small child, with multiple forenames, who has died before being old enough to decide by which name they will be known/called. An exception would be if there is documentary (gravestone) proof that the family had a call (use) name for the child. Example "Jonny" for a Jonathon, or "Daisy", "Peggy", or "Molly" for a Margaret.)

posted by Melanie Paul
edited by Melanie Paul
I agree. I actually don't see a problem with only having a 'Given Name(s)' field in Wikitree.

I will be interested to see if anyone can argue a case for retaining the 'First Name' field.

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
Some have been advocating for years to do away with the "middle name" field, something I would 100% support, and having just a forenames field. The problem is, in part, that nobody could agree on what to call the forenames field, and nothing supportive of the suggestion came from those above.
posted by Melanie Paul
I've just been reading the G2G posts about a Prussian Ancestors stickers. The question about Born in Prussia sticker has popped up someone has commented on an old post.

I like the idea of there being a XYZ has Prussian Ancestors.....But I can't seem to follow the logic of why that sticker not approved. Can someone enlighten me? Should we propose it again?

posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
I was the one who bumped the "was born in Prussia" Sticker thread. Having had communication with numerous descendants of Prussian immigrants, many of them (never all) were proud of their having been born in Prussia, not Germany, and almost none of them spoke English so would not recognise "Prussia". In requiring only English for the sticker, we are going against the "use their conventions, not ours" stricture. (And, yes, I know I half-heartedly argued the opposite in that thread, but, as I said, I've had conversations with folk since then that've largely changed my thinking.)

I would also love to see a "had Prussian ancestors" sticker, but we kept being told to use the German ancestors one. My grand-aunt didn't regard herself as being descended from Germans, and would probably be rather horrified that it now shows her as having such. (I could probably change the German Roots sticker to the non-migrating ancestor sticker, but I never seem to get around to doing that.)

posted by Melanie Paul
I mostly agree with you Melanie in both paragraphs. I will have to revisit the old debates.
posted by Steve Thomas
Have you seen the new stickers here?

There is a Prussian Roots sticker in English.
... ... ... has Prussian Roots.

You can also use the migrating ancestor sticker with the Prussian flag. Susan

posted by Susan Stopford
Thanks Susan, I hadn't seen them - I have now proudly popped that onto my profile.
posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
Bitte schön! I am fun playing with the new stickers too. I have three and four on some profiles.
posted by Susan Stopford
The born in Prussia sticker was approved and created a long time ago, just in English.
posted by Kylie Haese
Some good information regarding the Wends or Sorbs can be found in the following publications

[1] The Coming of the Wends [ From Germany to Australia from 1848] by Rev Rupert Burger [2] Sorbs / Wends of Lusatia [ The Unknown Immigrants] by B Hall, J Noack and H Senff

posted by Malcolm McGrice
Thanks Malcolm. I have copied this information into the Wikitree page Sorbs/Wends of Lusatia.
posted by Steve Thomas
Who were the Wends? I only learnt about them 3 years ago even though I was born 5 miles from a Wendish settlement.

In Germany the people are called Sorbs and recognised as one of the indigenous people in that country. Many hoped for more autonomy in their region of Lusatia in the European revolutions of 1848. When the revolution failed many emigrated to USA and Australia.

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
I have the Altus family history book, It says something like "they spoke Wendish at home, German at church and English in the high street" from memory.

There are interpretive signs at about half a dozen historic Wendish sites in South Australia.

Agneta Altus (1799-1864) and her family are my only "German" ancestors who came from what is now Germany I think. The rest emigrated from places that are now in Poland.

Freedom Found: A History of the Altus Family in Australia, P. H. Colliver, ISBN 0 9592754 0 1

posted by Scott Davis
Thanks Scott. I like your quote.

I still feel embarrassed that I did not know that they were a different cultural and linguistic group. Not quite as embarrassed as my cousin who has more German ancestry than me. He lives close to Walla Walla but knew nothing of the migration of Wends from Ebenezer in SA to NSW in 1856. 56 settlers moved 500 miles in 5 weeks in a train of 12 wagons. Until I visited 3 years ago my cousin had not stepped inside the largest Lutheran Church in NSW.

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
It looks like we have profiles for some of the people who went from Ebenezer to Walla Walla, but none of them have the story that I can see.

Edit to add an extra thought: Should we create a category for the group of 56 settlers travelling to another colony, even though they went overland not on a ship voyage? A plaque at Ebenezer provides the family names to help us find their profiles.

posted by Scott Davis
edited by Scott Davis
We can create a category, but I would not try to squeeze it into the migration category structure. I've seen similar debates about colony to colony migration in pre-independence North America and the decisions don't support a migration category.

I am interested in this unusual piece of Australian history. I don't know of any other wagon trains that covered 500 miles. I'll start by creating a free space page and place it under Category:Colonial_Australia_1788-1900. This will deserve a category to help keep track of the family connections.

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
I am just starting to research my 2nd great grandmother, Johanna Maria Elizabeth (Einsporn) Gell. Has anyone come across this family group? She married my 2nd GGF in "German Town", now Grovedale, in Geelong in 1851. Is she likely to have arrived in Geelong via Sth Australia?
posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
I have not found a quick answer. Your ancestor might have come from SA, but I do not recognise the family name. I am guessing that she is part of the 1848 migration wave. While I am digging around, I suggest that you look for immigration and naturalisation records. Good luck! Steve Thomas.
posted by Steve Thomas
Thank you Steve! Spot on! I've just done the math from her death certificate which I purchased today. She died in 1909 and it says she had been in Victoria for 61 years - so that makes arrival in 1848 make sense. Brilliant.
posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
Steve, I have discovered that my ancestors arrived in the colony on the Emmy but disembarked at Port Phillip and then headed to Geelong via the Vesta while the rest of the Emmy passengers headed onto SA.

GERMAN VILLAGE.-The batch of Ger- man immigrants consigned to Dr. Thom- son, by the Emmy, arrived in Geelong on Thursday afternoon by the Vesta steamer. The number, exclusive of children, appeared to be somewhere about twenty. Dr. T., it is said, intends to make an effort to es- tablish a German village in the neighbour- hood of the town. Geelong Advertiser.

This group of twenty went on to establish Germantown which is now the suburb of Grovedale - part of Geelong where I live. I'm finding quite a bit thanks to newspaper reporting...also need a trip to our local historical society which has quite a lot on it and then to get it written up!!!

posted by Susie (Potter) Officer
I am looking details of births, marriages and deaths of my 3 times great father George Ernest August (August) Schmidt 1816 -1858 born Goslar, Niedersachen, Germany who migrated on Heerjeebhoy_Rustomjee_Patel to South Australia. His mother was Johanna Christianne Köhler Born 2 Aug 1787 in Duerrenzimmern Neckar Baden Wuerttenburg
posted by Paul Lyons
Thanks Paul,

I recognise this family and the ship 'H.R. Patel'.

August was living at Kooringa (Burra) in 1851 when he was naturalised.

Is there any specific birth, marriage and death information you were looking for? I should be able to help. Regards, Steve Thomas.

P.S. I am related to other passengers on the same ship in 1846. Miners from Clausthal. They first worked in the Burra mine.

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
Hi Paul, I suggest you explore the following link to Graeme Moad's research. Have found his well researched information most helpful.$web/Lehmann_Henschke/wc122/wc122_360.html

posted by Malcolm McGrice
I have added passenger information to a page for the immigrant ship Heloise that arrived at Port Adelaide in 1847.

The German immigrants were warmly welcomed in the small, young colony. The newspaper 'The South Australian Register' wrote: "The Heloise from Bremen (12th October), with 204 German emigrants of a very superior class ........."

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
I've added a new Page to collect information about the passengers on the barque 'Herder' which carried migrants from Bremen to South Australia in 1851. Space:Herder,_Immigrant_Voyage_to_South_Australia_1851.

Under Captain J.F. von Hagen she carried a crew of 20 men and 258 passengers from the Harz Mountains region of Saxony, principally the Upper Harz mining towns of Clausthal, Zellerfeld, Lautenthal and Wildemann.

Most of the miners worked initially in the copper mine at Burra in South Australia. Then many moved on to other mining regions around Australia: South Australia (Moonta/Wallaroo/Birdwood), New South Wales (Broken Hill/Adelong), Victoria (Bendigo/Ballarat) and Western Australia (Boulder/Kalgoorlie).

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
For interest: Emigration from the Harz Mountains in the mid-Nineteenth Century.

In 1848, the Ministry of Finance of Königreich Hannover decided that in order to improve the economic situation of the region emigration should be encouraged and supported financially. This is interesting to me because families were split and headed in different directions to USA, Australia or Brasil. This is a good starting place to find distant cousins around the world.

This has been a specialty project for Michael Schindler-204. He has created many hundreds (thousands?) of profiles for the emigrants leaving the Harz region. More general information about the migration to Australia is in .

Between 1849 and 1855, 1100 emigrants arrived at Port Adelaide, South Australia on 14 ships. (George Washington, arrived Mar 1849; Auguste and Meline Apr 1849; Ceres Apr 1850; Leontine Aug 1850; Herder Sep 1851; Dockenhuden Feb 1852; Alfred Oct 1852; Dockenhuden May 1853; Steinwärder Nov 1853; Cesar Godeffroy Jan 1854; Iserbook Mar 1854; Wandram Aug 1854; Johann Cesar Jan 1855).

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
Looking for anything on a Wilhelm aka William Schauer, born Prussia about 1824/1825, arrived in Australia in 1859 aboard the "Solon" (according to his naturalisation documents), died in 1878, NSW not long after the birth of his youngest child (1877). His occupation is given as "cooper".

I have his naturalisation papers, his death and burial, and the births of four children (in New South Wales). The death record states his parents were Godfrey and Catherine. His son was named Gotfrid/Gotfrit, but went by Godfrey, so the spelling for the father is unlikely to be "Godfrey". Just as unlikely, but always possible, is the spelling "Catherine" for his mother.

Wilhelm's wife was Katharena Hahn, but her name may be spelt any number of ways, as her death is registered as Catherine, and the newspaper notice also uses Catherine. There may, or may not, have been children before the ones born in New South Wales.

I also have some city directory entries that place him on Liverpool Road, Ashfield district. Right now I don't even know if "Solon" is the correct name, or the correct spelling, but it's what is on the naturalisation docs. I have not, yet, found it in NSW, but have only just begun to look for the arrival. It is highly likely that Wilhelm and Katharena were married before emigrating, but that's just supposition on my part at this time.

posted by Melanie Paul
So I am guessing the ship arrived in NSW? Have you searched Trove? I found this...maybe helpful
posted by Kylie Haese
I searched Trove, yes. I guess it arrived in NSW, but wasn't sure as I could not find that ship name in that year.
posted by Melanie Paul
From a little more research it seems the Solon arrived in Moreton Bay in 1859 here is a link

But this link says that after leaving Moreton Bay it shipwrecked, and then moved on to Sydney?

This is really very interesting. I hope the shipping lists are not some of the few completely lost! That would be a terrible shame. The fact that we can find information on the ship travelling here from Bremen in 1859 along with the naturalisation record will have to be enough to prove the fact. To find more info on the person, I would search Bremen records to start with. Seen as that is where the ship embarked from. Hope that helps you Melanie. Good luck :-)

posted by Kylie Haese
But look at this.... this could be a promising lead for you?!
posted by Kylie Haese
I received this response to this question from one of the Germany project members:

Background and history of the Solon In 1858, the SOLON was sold to H. Bischoff & Co, Bremen for 22,750 Reichstaler, but was almost immediately sold to Oldenburg, and sent on a round-the-world voyage. On 15 December 1858, Heinrich Jürgen Rohde, from Bremen, master, she sailed from Bremerhaven for Capetown, from where she sailed in March 1859, bound for Australia. After calling at Moreton Bay, she set sail for Sydney, but was stranded on Moreton Island; she was gotten off safely, and arrived at Sydney on 11 July 1859. Taking on a load of coal, she proceeded to the Philippines, where on 24 November she was loading sugar at the rate of £1 17s. 6d. per ton for the return trip to Sydney. At Sydney she took on a cargo of coal, hay, and ships stores and sailed for Goolong, where the cargo was to be delivered to the Oldenburg ship ARNIM, but on 28 April 1860, she ran aground on Crookhaven Head, near Shoalhaven; one ships's boy was drowned.

Source: Peter-Michael Pawlik, Von der Weser in die Welt; Die Geschichte der Segelschiffe von Weser und Lesum und ihrer Bauwerften 1770 bis 1893, Schriften des Deutschen Schiffahrtsmuseums, Bd. 33 (Hamburg: Kabel, c1993), p. 392, no. 93.

Also found this from a wordpress Stubbs Family History

Two ships arrived in Moreton Bay direct from Bremen in 1858/1859i for which there are no surviving departure listsii: the Solon (May 1859) and the Diana (May 1858).iii

To compound the difficulties this presents for researchers, the immigrants aboard these vessels weren’t government-assisted. Consequently, the Immigration Board of New South Wales was not involved in processing the men, women and children who arrived on these ships, and therefore, there are no relevant ‘Board’s Lists’iv, which can be a valuable resource for family historians.

Even though a ‘passenger list’ for the Diana hasn’t survived in Bremen, the Bremer Musterungslisten der Schiffe (Bremen ships’ muster lists)v record that a crew of thirteen, including the young son of the captain, Hermann HÜSING, was signed on to the Diana 18 November 1857 in preparation for a voyage to Moreton Bay. These seamen are listed by name, accompanied by birth year and place, residence and crew ranking, rate of pay,

As the NSW scheme for assisting men from the Continent who possessed skills not obtainable from Britain eg. vine dressers, wine coopers, etc., had ceased by the end of 1856, the immigrants aboard the two vessels mentioned above were either self-funded, on private work contracts arranged by the agents who imported them, or were advertised for hire by these agents on arrival.

posted by Kylie Haese
Migration of 'Old Lutherans' to Australia in 1838.

I noted 11 days ago that I was comparing a German list of emigrants with Australian records and Wikitree profiles. The German list was compiled by the historian, Pastor Wilhelm Iwan, in 1943. The German original is now presented with an English translation in the web-page

In the 20 years between 1836 and 1856 about 2/3 of the 'Old Lutherans' migrated to North America and most of the rest to Australia. In the year 1838 almost all left for Australia and mainly from the kreis (local district) of Züllichau-Schwiebus in the Prussian province of Brandenburg (in the new March, East of the Oder River). I've tagged the Wikitree profiles and found a something interesting. It's been added by the German Project Team and useful to show where people have migrated :

Regards, Steve

p.s. Late edit. I'm not sure how the mapping site works. If it does not show any migration paths, look at the CIB box in , then press the link "WikiTree+ Maps" in the line "Map of Profiles:"

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
An update on the 'Old Lutherans'.

About 50% of the migrants to USA left from the province of Pommern (Pomerania). The emigrants to USA and Australia left different regions. Very few emigrants to Australia left Pommern or Sachsen (Saxony). On the other hand all the emigrants from the province of Posen went to Australia.

The majority of Old Lutheran migrants to Australia left from a small region centred around the village of Klemzig. 80% left from 2 adjoining Kreis, A Kreis is a local government districts similar to a County in Ireland.

430 Wikitree profiles exist for emigrants from the Kreis of Züllichau-Schwiebus in the Province of Brandenburg, 106 from the Kreis of Grünberg in the Province of Schelsien (Silesia) and 76 from Meseritz in the Province of Posen.

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
For general information.

I have been examining the migration of the religious dissenters from Prussia to Australia in the middle of the 19th Century. The attached free-space page is a comparison between a list of emigrees compiled in 1943 in Germany and Australian shipping records.

Part of my aim is to connect the records with existing Wikitree profiles.

I have not finished this project yet. When I finish, I will attach the final product somewhere inside these Wikitree pages.

Please contact me if you have any questions or comments,

Regards, Steve.

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
Hey Steve. Great effort mate. I’ve been undertaking my own personal quest in this area and having read your page, I can fully understand the enormous volume of work it must have taken to compile to get your page to what it is. This is the kind of stuff that will count in future generations
posted by Ken Hudson
Thanks Ken.

I'm spending a bit of time compiling information.

However, I'm only building from the greater works done before me.

posted by Steve Thomas
edited by Steve Thomas
Hi guys,

Just checking in to see how you all are. If you have any questions, or stories, about anything you find interesting to share. Something I have found interesting is that Prussians/Germans in Queensland is a more substantial topic than I first thought. The German history in that state is quite interesting. I have been reading up on the topic.

Hope to see your comments soon.

Kind regards, Kylie

posted by Kylie Haese
I personally view Prussia as Prussia for an ancestor if they considered themselves Prussian. So if a naturalization for example lists Prussia then they were Prussian. Or if Prussia is mentioned anywhere in newspapers in Australia in relation to the person. Or the ship records etc.

I'm pretty sure most Germans to Australia in the mid 1800s would have considered themselves Prussian.

But if you want to get technical you can search by year the place name of then or now and see whether it was considered Prussian when they were born and or when they left there.

Thats my two cents worth lol


posted by Kylie Haese
Good question David. I doubt that Pawe? would have described himself as Prussian. He named Mount Kosciuszko, to honour the Polish hero Tadeusz Ko?ciuszko.

The words 'Nation' and 'State' are not synonyms. A nation can be described as a stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, history, ethnicity, or psychological make-up manifested in a common culture. Poland existed as a nation without a state in 1797, however I support the statement that Pawe?'s nationality was Polish.

In this Wikitree page I interpret 'Prussian' quite broadly in the sense of language and culture, rather than the state boundaries which have moved quite a lot in the last 300 years.

posted by Steve Thomas
A question for the group...

How broadly do we interpret "Prussian". For example, Pawe? Strzelecki is typically described as Polish, but was born in what was at the time part of Prussia and served briefly in the Prussian army. Should he be included in those of importance on this page?

posted by David Lowe
Post-1136 was my great great grandfather who came to Australia on the 'Louise' when he was 10yrs old. (Prussian) Also Johannes Janz-41 g.g.g.grandfather and Clara Iffland-24 g.g.parents.(German) Is there anything you would like me to do with these profiles?