Renaud De Carteret (abt. 1107 - aft. 1130)

Date: [unknown] [unknown]
Location: [unknown]
Surname/tag: de Carteret

Contents 1 Edit Data 2 Biography 3 Research 3.1 One or Two Renauds 3.2 Date of Death

Edit Data

Name: Suggest "Seigneur of Carteret and St. Ouen" is removed as middle name.

Died: Suggest this should be before 1180 about age 73 in St Ouen

Biography

Renaud was the eldest son of Philippe and Nicola as mentioned in a charter made by his father in 1168^[1]. It is likely that his father died shortly after making this charter at which time Renaud became Seigneur de Carteret and St. Ouen.

He had two sons, Reginald and Richard. This is confirmed in a Closed Roll entry dated 27 Feb 1207/8 which translates as:

The king to Richard de Chartray, etc. We send to you Phillip, your nephew, hostage for Reginald de Chartray, your brother, commanding you to keep him in safe custody as a hostage. Witness myself at Clarendon the 27th day of February ^[2].

It is likely Renaud died before 1180 as in that year a Reginald de Carteret (probably his son) was recorded as a debtor in the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy and still owed part relief on the land of his deceased father^[3].

This is supported by a subsequent undated charter by Reginald de Kartraio giving to the church of St. Helier (Helerii), and the canons there serving God, an acre and a half of land and half a rood (virgate) in the vale of La Mare, for the love of God and the weal of his soul and those of his predecessors, being the gift of his father and of himself^[4]. This charter was dated circa 1180 by Archives du Département de la Manche^[5] and indicates by this time Renaud's son Renaud had succeeded his father and was Seigneur de Carteret and St. Ouen.

Research

One or Two Renauds

The Cartulaire des Iles normandes: recueil de documents concernant l'histoire de ces îles. Jersey : Société Jersiaise, 1924 includes a record of a Charter No 35 which contains a descendants chart for Renaud de Carteret (1063-1125)^[6]. This chart shows Philippe's son Renaud died abt. 1215 and was the father of Philippe de Carteret b. abt. 1190 who married Marguerite d'Aubigny.

On examination these dates clearly raise issues concerning Renaud's age which suggests the descendant chart is incorrect and should show at least two Renauds, the first who was Philippe's son in this profile, who died after 1168 and his son, Renaud who died abt. 1215 and had a son Philippe who married Marguerite d'Aubigny.

It should be noted that in accepting the above evidence both Renaud's lived long lives for the medieval era, ie over 60 years and 80 years respectively, when the average was under 50 years^[7]. Although there is no supporting evidence it is feasible that a generation existed between the two Renauds mentioned above.

Date of Death

The basis for a date of death 'aft. 1130' is not known. However, Renaud was present at the signing of his father's 1168 charter^[1] gifting the church of St Ouen and chapel of St. Mary to the Abbey of Mont St. Michel. This Charter clearly states Renaud as the son of Philippe so supports a death date of aft.1168.

References 3,4 and 5 above indicate that Renaud died in or before 1180.

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1} Calendar of Documents Preserved in France, illustrative of of the history of Great Briton and Ireland, Vol 1 A.D. 918-1206, edited by J. Horace Round, M.A., Published by authority of the Lords Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury under the direction of the Master of the Rolls, Printed for Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London 1899, digitised by the Internet Archive (accessed 9 Dec 2022) https://archive.org/details/cu31924028043663/page/272/mode/1up
2. ↑ Hardy, Duffus Thomas Rotuli Litterarum Clausarum In Turri Londinensi Asservati Vol 1 Ab Anno MCCIV. Ad Annum MCCXXIV. London. Page 162:104 De obsidibet. Database online (accessed 25 May 2023) https://www.digitale-bibliothek-mv.de/viewer/fullscreen/PPN848631250/162/
3. ↑ Stapleton, Thomas Magni Rotuli Scaccarii Normannie Sub Reglibus Anglie Vol 1 Society of Antiquaries, London 1840, Page lxxxv, Database online (accessed 24 May 2023) https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Magni_rotuli_Scaccarii_Normanniae_sub_re/jzBGAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover)
4. ↑ Calendar of Documents Preserved in France, illustrative of of the history of Great Briton and Ireland, Vol 1 A.D. 918-1206, edited by J. Horace Round, M.A., Published by authority of the Lords Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury under the direction of the Master of the Rolls, Printed for Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London 1899, digitised by the Internet Archive, P 339 (accessed 9 Dec 2022), https://archive.org/details/cu31924028043663/page/339/mode/1up?q=Helier
5. ↑ Cartulaire de Jersey, Guernesey, et les autres Iles Normandes: Recueil de Documents Concernant L'histoire de ces Iles, conserves aux Archives du Département de la Manche. 2nd Fascicule, printed by the Beresford Library Ltd, Jersey, 1919. Digitized by the Internet Archive in 2011 with funding from University of Toronto. p323 (accessed 15 Dec 2022) https://archive.org/details/cartulairedejers02soci/page/323/mode/1up?q=Cartrai
6. ↑ Cartulaire des Iles normandes: recueil de documents concernant l'histoire de ces îles. Jersey : Société Jersiaise, 1924..p.56, Charter No. 37 (accessed 5 Feb 2023) not available on line
7. ↑ Cummins, Neil Lifespans of the European Elite 800-1800 published by Cambridge University Press 12 Jun 2017, accessed 12 Mar 2022 (https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-economic-history/article/lifespans-of-the-european-elite-8001800/BE252C4B25C4AAC29ED62D591A1675AC)