Wheatley-2390 18:43, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
- Have ordered 1920 marriage certificate of Elizabeth Marston to Henry Manning
- 19 February 1920
- The Register Office, Hammersmith
- Henry George MANNING, 62 years, Widower, Advertising Clerk, son of James MANNING, (deceased), Blacksmith
- Elizabeth Sophia MARSTON, 47 years, Widow, daughter of William YATES (deceased), Dairyman
- Address of both parties given as 5 Adelaide Road, Shepherds Bush
- Witnesses: Alfred Manning, Stanley Manning (Henty's son)
- Have ordered 1898 birth certificate of Lilian Ethel Marston (see detail below)
This family are currently unconnected with conflicting information appearing in each document reviewed.
The object of this Freespace is to collate all the information available on this family with a view to repopulating Profiles with matching information (and hopefully connecting to the WikiTree - subsequently achieved through Frances Elizabeth (Marston) Griffin (1913-1985))
Father of Lilian and Agnes - almost certain
1898 - Gerald Charles Marston is named as father on Lilian Ethel's birth certificate
1901 - Gerald C Marston - Shoe Maker - age 34, b1866, Bloomsbury
1924 - Charles (Graham or Anaham or Araham) Marston - Surgical Boot Maker on Lilian Ethel's marriage certificate
BUT there is no one on FreeBMD with the name of Gerald Charles Marston
Check Marston's born Bloomsbury (St. Giles in the Fields & St. George Bloomsbury RD) see below
Other mentions of the father Henry/Harry Marston (probably Henry Manning)
1911 - Henry Marston - Sign Writer - age 53, b1857 , Kensington (could this be Henry Manning, he is age 63, born Brompton in 1921)
1934 - Harry Marston - Clerk in War Office - possibly conflated by Richard as he may be Henry Manning's son
1936 - Henry Marston - Retired - suggesting that Henry Manning may be Ethel's father, .
Henry George Manning (abt.1858-1939) profile created Wheatley-2390 11:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Mother?
Elizabeth Sophia (Yates) Manning (abt.1872-1940) YATES mms HUDSON ?
Lilian Ethel's birth certificate says her mother is Ethel Agnes Marston mms Wood
Lilian Ethel's death registration says her mms was Yates
Elizabeth does not marry Henry Manning until 1920 (possibly he had a wife already or she had a husband), this means that all of her children born after 1911 (and some before), may be his although they would have to be registered in her married name.
Children as per Censuses
Eva Marston (abt.1894-) no birth in this name, YATES mms HUDSON? 1901, 1911, 1921
Lilian Ethel (Marston) Stark (1898-) mms WOOD 1901, 1911, 1921
Birth Certificate of Lilian Ethel
District -St George Hanover Square
Sub-District of St John Westminster
Fifth June 1898 7 Earl Street
Father: Gerald Charles Marston, Boot Maker (Master)
Mother: Ethel Agnes Marston nee Wood (Informant)
Registered: Thirteenth July 1898
Alice Agnes (Marston) Nutter (1899-1937) mms WOOD 1901, 1911, 1921
George Charles Marston (1901-1976) Birth not found, 1911 (George Henry), 1921
John Henry Marston (abt.1906-) mms YATES 1911, 1921
Richard Arthur Marston (1908-1993) mms YATES 1911, 1921
Ethel Caroline Marston (1911-) mms YATES 1921
Frances (Marston) Griffin (1913-1985) mms YATES 1921
Research Notes
In the 1901 Census[1]
| Name | Relation | Status | Sex | Age | Occupation | Birth Place |
| Gerald C Marston | Head | Married | M | 34 | Shoe maker | Mx, Bloomsbury |
| Ethel Marston | Wife | Married | F | 28 | Surrey, Boro' | |
| Eva Marston (there is a birth registration for Eva YATES mms HUDSON GRO Pancras 1894 Q3 1B 130 - so it is possible that this is "Ethel's" sister - if Ethel is Elizabeth Sophia Yates) | Daughter | F | 6 | Mx, Kentish Town | ||
| Lillian Marston (GRO St George Hanover Square 1898 Q3 01A 472 mms WOOD) | Daughter | F | 2 | Mx, Westminster | ||
| Alice Marston GRO Chelsea 1899 Q4 01A 377 mms WOOD) | Daughter | F | 1 | Mx, Chelsea |
In the1911 Census[2]
| Name | Relation | Status | Sex | Age | Occupation | Birth Place |
| Henry Marston | Head | Married | M | 53 | Sign Writer, Exhibitions | Kensington, London |
| Ethel Marston | Wife | Married | F | 41 | Boro', London | |
| Eva Marston | Daughter | Single | F | 16 | Chelsea, London | |
| Lillian Ethel Marston | Daughter | Single | F | 12 | Scholar | Chelsea, London |
| Alice Agnes Marston | Daughter | Single | F | 11 | Scholar | Chelsea, London |
| George Henry Marston | Son | Single | M | 9 | Scholar | Chelsea, London |
| John Henry Marston | Son | Single | M | 5 | Scholar | Acton, London |
| Richard Arthur Marston | Son | Single | M | 3 | Chiswick, London | |
| Stanley James Manning | Lodger | Single | M | 23 | Skating Rink Attendant | S. Kensington, London |
In the 1921 Census[3]
| Name | Relation | Sex | Status | Age | Birth Place | Occupation | Employer |
| Henry G Manning | Head | M | 63y 6m | London, Brompton | Clerk | Capt J Donald White City, Unemployed | |
| Elizabeth S Manning | Wife | F | Married | 48y 4m | London, Borough | Home Duties | |
| Lillian E Marston (GRO St George Hanover Square 1898 Q3 01A 472 mms WOOD) | Step Daughter | F | 23y 0m | London, Westminster | Shorthand Typist | Hebster Jenkinson | |
| Alice A Marston GRO Chelsea 1899 Q4 01A 377 mms WOOD) | Step Daughter | F | 21y 9m | London, Chelsea | Waitress | Express Dairy Co | |
| George C Marston | Step Son | M | 19y 8m | London, Chelsea | Boot Maker | J A Smith | |
| John H Marston GRO Brentford 1906 Q1 03A 221 mms YATES) | Step Son | M | 15y 4m | London, Acton, | Errand Boy | S Squire & Co (Chemist) | |
| Richard A Marston GRO Brentford 1908 Q2 03A 175 mms YATES | Step Son | M | 13y 4m | London, Chiswick | |||
| Ethel C Marston (Ethel Caroline GRO Fulham 1911 Q3 01A 355 mms YATES | Step Daughter | F | S | 9y 11m | London, Shepherds Bush | ||
| Frances E Marston (Frances Elizabeth GRO Fulham 1914 Q1 01A 314 mms YATES | Step Daughter | F | 7y 6m | London, Shepherds Bush |
Also in the1921 Census[4]
| Name | Relation | Sex | Status | Age | Birth Place | Occupation | Employer |
| Ernest Mepsted | Head | M | 38 | City of London, London, England | Engineer Motor Car Manufacturer | Employer | |
| Lilian Mepsted | Wife | F | 36 | Clerkenwell, London, England | |||
| Ivy L Mepsted | Daughter | F | 14 | Islington, London, England | |||
| Leonard E Mepsted | Son | M | 8 | Wood Green, London, England | |||
| Norman A Mepsted | Son | M | 2 | Stroud Green, London, England | |||
| Eva Marston | Servant | F | Single | 26 | Kentish Town, London, England | General Domestic Servant | Private |
Marriage of Alice in 1921 Alice A Marston's marriage to George Nutter was registered in the Jul-Aug-Sep quarter of 1921 in the Paddington district.[5]
Marriage of Lilian in 1924 Lilian Marston (age 26), Spinster, of 5 Adelaide Road, daughter of Charles Graham (poss Anaham or Araham) Marston dec., Surgical Boot Maker, married Samuel Marshall Stark (32), Bachelor, Joiner, of 5 Church Street Old Monkland, Baillistone, Scotland, son of James Stark dec., Retired, on 20 July 1924 in St Luke, Shepherds Bush, Hammersmith and Fulham, England.[6]
Marriage of Richard1934
Richard Arthur Marston (age 26), Bachelor, Shoe Repairer, of 5 Adelaide Road Shepherds Bush W12, son of Harry Marston, Clerk in War Office (retired), married Olive Annie Collison (age 26, Spinster, Book keeper, of 10 Swinburne Road Putney SW15, daughter of John Henry Collison, Watchman (retired),on 9 September 1934 in St Margaret, Putney, Wandsworth, England.[7]
Marriage of Ethel in 1936 Ethel Caroline Marston (age 25), Spinster, of 5 Adelaide Road, daughter of Henry Marston, Retired, married Edward James Hector (age 24), Bachelor, Clerk, of same address, son of William Hector, Dock Labourer, on 26 July 1936 in Saint Luke, Shepherds Bush: Uxbridge Road, Hammersmith and Fulham.[8]
Marriage of Frances in 1938
Frances E Marston's marriage to Wilfred J Griffin was registered in the Jan-Feb-Mar quarter of 1938 in the Hammersmith district.[9]
1939 Register
In the 1939 register Elizabeth S Manning (age 66), Domestic Duties, was recorded as widowed at 5 Adelaide Grove, East Acton, Hammersmith And Fulham, Hammersmith, London, England.[10]
| Name | Status | Sex | Birth Date | Occupation |
| Elizabeth S Manning | Widowed | F | 03 Feb 1873 | Domestic Duties |
| George C Marston | Single | M | 10 Oct 1901 | Boot Repairer (Own Acc) |
| Kenneth G NutterKenneth George Nutter (1922-1986) (Kenneth George GRO Paddington 1922 Q2 01A 19 mms MARSTON), son of Alice who died in 1937 | Single | M | 27 Mar 1922 | Bookstall Attendan |
| Frederick Stacey | Widowed | M | 24 May 1870 | Taxi Cab Driver |
Deathe of Richard in 1993
Richard Arthur Marston of The Mount Bishops Down Road Tunbridge Wells Kent died on 8 January 1993 and their estate passed probate on 17 March 1993 in Brighton.[11]
Death of Ethel in 1996 Lilian Ethel Stark's death (age 97) was registered in 1996 in the Eastwood and Mearns district.(mother's maiden name Yates) not Wood as per birth registration[12]
SPECULATIVE INFORMATION - FOR ELIMINATION
EXCLUDED In the 1881 census Elizabeth Sophia Desborough (age 8), Scholar, was the daughter of Joseph Edward Desborough at 4, Little Pleasant Row, Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England.[13]
| Name | Relation | Status | Sex | Age | Occupation | Birth Place |
| Joseph Edward Desborough | Head | Married | M | 45 | Rope maker | Mitcham, Surrey, England |
| Henrietta Susannah Desborough | Wife | Married | F | 43 | Charing | Newington, Surrey, England |
| Edward John Valentine Desborough (GRO Newington 1864 Q1 01D 238 mms HALL) | Son | Unmarried | M | 17 | Tape measure maker (appar 10.3) | Newington, Surrey, England |
| Henrietta Mary Ann Desborough | Daughter | Unmarried | F | 15 | Servant | Newington, Surrey, England |
| Jane Desborough | Daughter | Unmarried | F | 10 | Scholar | Newington, Surrey, England |
| Elizabeth Sophia Desborough (Eliza Sophia Desborough GRO St Saviour 1873 Q1 01D 158 mms HALL ) | Daughter | Unmarried | F | 8 | Scholar | Newington, Surrey, England |
| Sarah Desborough | Daughter | Unmarried | F | 7 | Scholar | Newington, Surrey, England |
| William James Desborough | Son | Unmarried | M | 1 | Newington, Surrey, England | |
| Sarah Knight | Lodger | Widowed | F | 71 | Needlewoman | Newington, Surrey, England |
CHECK YATES mms HUDSON births in London Area
| Name | Year | Q | District | Vol | Page | |
| Elizabeth Sophia | 1872 | Q1 | St Saviour | 01D | 104A | |
| Florence Maria | 1884 | Q3 | Islington | 01B | 243 | 1891 census d/o James & Annie, 1901 step d/o Morris Bullock & Annie (says born Lambeth) |
| Arthur Joseph | 1886 | Q3 | St Saviour | 01D | 110A | 1891 census s/o James & Annie (says born Islington), 1901 step s/o Morris Bullock & Annie (says born Islington) |
| Mabel Annie Elizabeth | 1887 | Q4 | Islington | 01B | 207 | 1891 census d/o James & Annie, 1901 step d/o Morris Bullock & Annie |
| Daisy Ellen | 1889 | Q3 | Islington | 01B | 191 | 1891 census d/o James & Annie, 1901 not with family |
| Winifred Mary | 1891 | Q2 | Islington | 01B | 222 | Died 1891 Q3 Islington 01B 179 age 0 |
| George James | 1892 | Q4 | Islington | 01B | 219 | 19011901 step d/o Morris Bullock & Annie |
| Eva | 1894 | Q3 | Pancras | 01B | 130 |
Elizabeth Sophia and Eva do not appear to be part of the James/Annie family.
Look for information on Stanley James Manning who appears as a Lodger in 1911 census. Is Henry "'Marston really Henry Manning and related to Stanley.
Already exists as Stanley James Manning (1887-1970)
Stanley James Elliott Manning's birth was registered in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter of 1887 in the Kensington district.[14]
Stanley James Elliott Manning (age 30), Bachelor, Electrician's Mate, of the Parish of St Luke Shepherds Bush, son of Harry George Manning, Sign Writer, married Ethel Amelia Newman (age 28), Spinster, of 3 Bedford Terrace, daughter of Herbert George Newman, Packer, on 14 March 1920 in St Luke, Chelsea, Kensington and Chelsea, England.[15]
Stanley James E MANNING's death was registered in the Jan-Feb-Mar quarter of 1970 in the Westminster district. (Date of birth: 30 Oc 1888) [16]
Henry George Manning's birth was registered in the Jan-Feb-Mar quarter of 1858 in the Kensington district. (Mother's maiden name: Elliott)[17]
Marston births St Giles RD from 1860 - 1870
Ezra Marston's birth was registered in the Jan-Feb-Mar quarter of 1861 in the St Giles district.[18]
Any Marston's in St Giles in 1871 census? - NONE
Any Marston's in St Giles in 1881 census? - Alfred Marston age 17, Baker, born London
Marston births in Middlesex Vol 1A from 1860 - 1871