Location: Muehlberg, Saxony, Germany
Surnames/tags: Stalag_IVb POW WII
The goal of this project is to ... Chronicle and document the history of Stalag IVb during World War II, including those intrepid men who called themselves Kriegies before it fades from memory and history, as those who knew of them and their plight ( sons & daughters) pass from the scene also. At the time the camp opening in 1939 the bulk of the prisoners were French, Moroccans, Serbs Belgians and one Australian. It was also used as a Transit Camp for processing prisoners to other work areas. An International Red Cross report stated that, there were seventy-thousand POW’s in the camp, at the time of liberation. Official German records though indicated the total number of prisoners at Stalag IVb, at being just below twenty-thousand. The number of POW’s could have risen to seventy-thousand in the camp. Because as the Allies advanced into Germany, many camps in the west and east were evacuated and prisoners moved. The camp official records indicated that permanent detainees included: (917) French and Moroccans, (779) Dutch; (2,569) Italians soldiers incarcerated when Italy switched sides, (1,604) Danish freedom fighters and political prisoners (9) Belgians, (205) Poles, (which included women freedom fighters captured during the Warsaw Uprising), (497) Serbs, (7,262) British, which included English, South Africans, Canadians, Indian, Burmese, Gurikas, Australians and New Zealanders, (2,753) Americans, (4000+) Russian. More than 6,700 people would die in this camp
Stalag IVb was operated by the German Military from 1939-1945. From 1945 -1948 it became Special Camp No. 1 operated by the NKVD ( The Soviet Secret Service) for the incarceration of discontents. ( see images for more information of Stalag IVb)
Right now this project just has one member, me. I am Lawrence Bailey.
Here are some of the tasks that I think need to be done. I'll be working on them, and could use your help.
- Identify individuals both Prisoners and Guards
History and back ground of the camp, including liberation by the Russians The connection to the aftermath of the Dresden Firebombing
- The holding of the Stalag Ivb prisoners in the city of Resia after the war.
Will you join me? Please post a comment here on this page, in G2G using the project tag, or send me a private message. Thanks!
From: Survival At Stalag IVB by Tony Vercoe
William E. Rowbotham, RCAF
Stalag IVb had ten officers assigned to it and about forty guards. Generally, the permanently stationed guards were elderly or unfit for front-line men drawn from the Volkstrum (Civil Guard) or Ersatzwehr (The Reich Home Army). Others were transients serving as prison camp guards while they were recuperating from war wounds. When they were significantly healed, they were sent back to the front lines. Some perimeter guards were Hitlerjugend (adolescence trainees). These were the guards, some young as 14 years, which present the most danger to the P.O.W.s. Generally, they were more abusive to the prisoners than the more permanent older camp guards were. Some of the most memorable Guards were: Subaltern Oberefreiter (Lance Corp.) Heis, Sr. Guard Unterfeldwebel (Sgt.) Von Pflugh, Oberefreiter (Lance Corp.) Esterman, Oberefreiter (Lance Corp.) Legner, Oberschutze (Pfc.) Gneuss, Oberefreiter (Lance Corp.) Lammerich, Unteroffzier (Corp.) Inhof, Obergeschutze (Pfc.) Renthe, , Jehle The worst of permanent guards were; Stabugefreiter (Corp. 2nd Grade) Hertzel, Schutze (Pvt.) Gugelmann, Oberefreiter (Lance Corp.) Suter, Unteroffizier (Corp.) All three of these had shot and killed at least one prisoner.
Most prisoners thought the Commandant was Senior Camp Officer (Lagerführer) Hauptmann) Markus Koenig. He was the Officer with whom the prisoners communicated complaints, concerns and coordinated activities. Hauptmann Koenig had been captured in Flanders and while a British prisoner picked up enough English to communicate in an understandable manner. “It was Koenig’s restraining influence which prevented the vile and inhuman treatment that occurred in some of the other German Prison of War Camps, especially those run by the SS. He was considered to be fair-minded and one willing to listen,” Robert Harding wrote in his 2001 book Copper Wire. In direct contrast to Koenig was the Oberfeldwebel (Master Sergeant) Rudolf Schroder who was responsible for the Anglo/American compound. The prisoners called him “Blondie”. Harding’s described Schroder as “cold and aloof with haughty Aryan superiority. He had as little to do with us (the P.O.W.s) as possible.” Robert Harding, Copper Wire, 2001. ( See: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Schroder-866)
Kommandantur (Commandant) Oberstleutnant (Lt. Col.) Strossier 1941-2/45 ,Kommandantur (Commandant) Oberst (Col.) Luchrsen 2/45-4/45, Asst. Commandant (Major) Krall 1941-2/45, Asst. Commandant Obersteultnant (2nd Lt.) Grallert, 2/45-4/45, Abwehr (Intelligence Officer) Major Heinrich 1941-2/45, Abwehr (Intelligence Officer) Hauptmann (Capt.) Grahl 2/45-4/45, Laugerfuher (Camp Commander) Hauptmann (Capt.) Koenig 1941-4/45, Chief Medical Officer (Civilian) Dr. Schmied 1941-4/45, Under Officer Obereldwebel (M/Sgt.) Schroder 1941-4/45, Sr NCO Feltwebel (Sgt.) Liebich 1941-4/45, Security Officer Unteoffzier (Corp. ) Sperling 1941-4/45, Sr Office Clerk Unteoffzier (Corp.) Pinthauser, 1941-4/45, Unteoffzier (Corp.) Sperling 1940-1945
From: Copper Wire by Robert Harding
From: Copper Wire by Robert Harding
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My father Flt Sgt Montague Antony Brudell was a POW at Stalag IVB from 1943 -45. I have his POW Identity Card and POW Interrogation Form as well as his log book! I have digitised these and many other details and can send direct or link you to a number of websites (not related) which I manage. Please comment. Regards Karl Brudell
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